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[VIDEO] Did Ben Stokes actually refuse to shake hands with Washington Sundar and Ravindra Jadeja or is this just negative propaganda from Team India?

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Reportedly Ben Stokes refused to shake hands with Washington Sundar and Ravindra Jadeja after the drawn fourth Test at Old Trafford.

The gesture has sparked debate across cricket circles. Was it frustration, fatigue, or something more?

 
As you can see from the video, it was clearly intentional. Jadeja went to shake his hands but Stokes deliberately moved away.
There is no propaganda as the video is evident for all to see.
 
That wasn't an offer. More like: we don't feel like playing anymore, so let's end this. If he wanted to make that offer he should have gone up to the umpires and asked them to ask the players.
The players can talk. The umpires are the ultimate authority but you know players can talk. If the batters had said yes. They or Stokes then could have gone up to Umpires to discuss this.

The order of things here is irrelevant.

The shake of hand has happened in Test Cricket before as well. Aussies offered it to Rizwan I believe when Babar played that 196 knock. Even though Rizwan was actually being entertaining playing shots then. Otherwise here, the last bit of play itself was boring to be honest.
 
@Nikhil_cric got his wish. I didn't think India would try this.

England embarrassed themselves with their antics and how they behaved. The Indians really got under their skin.

From a sporting POV it's a bit of a weird situation, do the runs really count when the opposition says look we can't be bothered playing anymore let's end this? It's a situation unique to cricket.

But from a psychological point of view the Indians really tortured the English here :ROFLMAO: and literally made them cry.
 
The England Cricketers just highly embarrassed themselves at the end of what was a brilliant test match. Stokes behaved like a hooligan
 
He did shake hands and even praised Washi and jaddu in the post match interview. Him asking for the handshake was fine too. What is not fine is him asking Jadeja if he really wants a century of Harry Brook.
I wonder why Lords and other stadiums have honor boards for centurians and fifer taking bowlers
 
@Nikhil_cric got his wish. I didn't think India would try this.

England embarrassed themselves with their antics and how they behaved. The Indians really got under their skin.

From a sporting POV it's a bit of a weird situation, do the runs really count when the opposition says look we can't be bothered playing anymore let's end this? It's a situation unique to cricket.

But from a psychological point of view the Indians really tortured the English here :ROFLMAO: and literally made them cry.
Honestly didn't expect that bitterness from the England team and Stokes in particular.

Quite understandable that they wanted to preserve their pacers but it's not Gully Cricket & they have to play if the opponent keeps playing.
 
@Nikhil_cric got his wish. I didn't think India would try this.

England embarrassed themselves with their antics and how they behaved. The Indians really got under their skin.

From a sporting POV it's a bit of a weird situation, do the runs really count when the opposition says look we can't be bothered playing anymore let's end this? It's a situation unique to cricket.

But from a psychological point of view the Indians really tortured the English here :ROFLMAO: and literally made them cry.
Ben did shake Jadeja's hand earlier but it was a curt sore loser type thing. He's a great player no doubt but he looked pathetic today telling Jadeja " You should've got your hundred earlier" lmao What?

Also, "Enjoy (or something like that) getting your hundred against Brook." As if that somehow diminishes the 87 runs earlier. And then Brook thinks he's being cute throwing up lollipops which Jadeja smashed as if to say, joke's on you clowns :ROFLMAO:

The only person dignified during the whole blowout was Root who continued to bowl normal and didn't engage in any snarky comments.
 
I think the title should be negative propaganda by Indian keyboard warriors and the stupid media..and not team india
Nah Sanju Manju started this rubbish in the post show here in India. I'm sure the rest of the warriors picked it up because they never ever watch the game and only like to troll online.
 
Off the topix, is it a conspiracy theory or there is some truth to this that pitches in this series have been designed so that the games last 5 days and the revenue is maximum for the ECB?
 
Off the topix, is it a conspiracy theory or there is some truth to this that pitches in this series have been designed so that the games last 5 days and the revenue is maximum for the ECB?

Yes, Bumble has repeatedly accused the ECB of rolling out 'corporate pitches' for this series.
 
You're going to get a Test hundred against Harry Brook?" asks Stokes to Jadeja.

Well , Then you should have came and bowl. Bowl to Jofra. Jadeja hasn't asked you to bowl to Brook, has he, Ben?

Embarrassing behaviour by Stokes
 
@Forum363

Have you seen a bigger sore loser than him?

About time the great myth about his leadership is put to bed. 2-2 in the Ashes at home thanks to a suicidal declaration, 1-4 and 1-2 thrashing in India and Pakistan, 5th in the previous WTC and now limping to beat India at home having gifted them the Edgbaston Test due to a brainless call at the toss.
 
Ben did shake Jadeja's hand earlier but it was a curt sore loser type thing. He's a great player no doubt but he looked pathetic today telling Jadeja " You should've got your hundred earlier" lmao What?

Also, "Enjoy (or something like that) getting your hundred against Brook." As if that somehow diminishes the 87 runs earlier. And then Brook thinks he's being cute throwing up lollipops which Jadeja smashed as if to say, joke's on you clowns :ROFLMAO:

The only person dignified during the whole blowout was Root who continued to bowl normal and didn't engage in any snarky comments.
We Pakistanis experienced this sore loser behavior from England in the past. Back then their media wasn't on as tight a leash as it is now and used to join in on the action to put visiting teams under pressure. I thought they had turned a corner recently but the behaviour today reminded me of their past.
 
what was the reason for England being angry with India?

They'd reached the point where the teams were allowed to shake hands on the draw and end the game. England wanted to do that but India wanted to keep going purely for personal milestones.
 
They'd reached the point where the teams were allowed to shake hands on the draw and end the game. England wanted to do that but India wanted to keep going purely for personal milestones.
Oh, thanks for that.

Im with stokes on this one.

Indians and their love for personal mile stones...
 
Oh, thanks for that.

Im with stokes on this one.

Indians and their love for personal mile stones...
India can even keep them on the field for 10 more overs because next match starts in 4 days. Making them tired is an advantage. It is no different from Stokes targeting Pant's feet with yorkers. India just batted long enough for 100s. Stokes has no say if India wants to bat the entire day.
 
Oh, thanks for that.

Im with stokes on this one.

Indians and their love for personal mile stones...
They'd reached the point where the teams were allowed to shake hands on the draw and end the game. England wanted to do that but India wanted to keep going purely for personal milestones.
I'd made them bowl the last 10+ overs. possibly create more injury and advantage for the next test
 
LMAO, just look at this comment - "Iss Stokes ko retire karwaake hi rahenge." :yk

I am genuinely curious, how exactly does he plan to achieve that? Stokes doesn't even live in India, and he is not Bhajji or Pathan, so threatening him or his family on social media won't do much. :inti

LOL at these sanghis threatening Stokes.

Stokes can flatten these cowards one-on-one. Sanghis cannot fight, unless they are 10-on-1. :inti
 
India can even keep them on the field for 10 more overs because next match starts in 4 days. Making them tired is an advantage. It is no different from Stokes targeting Pant's feet with yorkers. India just batted long enough for 100s. Stokes has no say if India wants to bat the entire day.
I agree with you. I don't think India did anything wrong.

However Gill pretty much explicitly said he kept them out there for their centuries. He shouldn't have said this outright.
 
I agree with you. I don't think India did anything wrong.

However Gill pretty much explicitly said he kept them out there for their centuries. He shouldn't have said this outright.

He had to say something lol But back in those days it was customary to let batsmen score 100s in those situations. No big deal. He probably did not want Jadeja and Sundar go in with confidence after scoring a 100. His timing of the offer was also sneaky
 
He had to say something lol But back in those days it was customary to let batsmen score 100s in those situations. No big deal. He probably did not want Jadeja and Sundar go in with confidence after scoring a 100. His timing of the offer was also sneaky

He literally made the offer at the earliest possible opportunity.
 
He literally made the offer at the earliest possible opportunity.
Earliest possible has no thumb rule. He could have offered 5 or 6 overs back as well. He was in his 80s when it was offered. Just because he offers doesn't mean opposition has to take it. If the opposition can take something out of the remaining overs they are entitled to do it. Problem here is not about offering the draw. Stokes is well within his rights to do that. Problem is whining about India not taking it.
 
I think they should play out all overs. Fans came to the ground for full game. Why declare draw early? :inti

If I am a paying fan there, I would want a partial refund since I didn't get to see full 90 overs.

Maybe they could've given bowling to Crawley, Duckett, Pope etc. for fun.
 
He literally made the offer at the earliest possible opportunity.
Total nonsense from Stokes today. Quite within his rights to ask the question, but just play on when they said no. Archer telling them they should have batted quicker if they wanted 100s was schoolboy stuff & Brook further enhanced his reputation as an airhead. poor :kp
 
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Earliest possible has no thumb rule. He could have offered 5 or 6 overs back as well. He was in his 80s when it was offered. Just because he offers doesn't mean opposition has to take it. If the opposition can take something out of the remaining overs they are entitled to do it. Problem here is not about offering the draw. Stokes is well within his rights to do that. Problem is whining about India not taking it.

You're right there's no thumb rule, it's a literal hard written rule. Stokes could not have offered 5 or 6 overs back. Once again, he offered it at the earliest opportunity he could.
 
Desi's; please remember that ECB decide the Spirit of Cricket and who deserves such treatment.

Australia are not allowed to effect run outs ECB does not approve of.


India should declare their innings and forfeit any individual honours not won under BAZBALL tm conditions.

They are therefore cheap as they do not contribute to a BAZBALL tm entity.

Athertons famous rearguard is not affected by this hypocrisy as it was BRITISH and therefore WORTHY.

Try to be better.
 
NB. all teams should declare in a 5 match series whenever England is a bit sick of bowling, even when our captain is overbowled with a dodgy hammy and limped off the field. be nice!
 
Desi's; please remember that ECB decide the Spirit of Cricket and who deserves such treatment.

Australia are not allowed to effect run outs ECB does not approve of.


India should declare their innings and forfeit any individual honours not won under BAZBALL tm conditions.

They are therefore cheap as they do not contribute to a BAZBALL tm entity.

Athertons famous rearguard is not affected by this hypocrisy as it was BRITISH and therefore WORTHY.

Try to be better.

What relevance would Atherton's innings have in this and how would it in any way be hypocrisy?
 
You're going to get a Test hundred against Harry Brook?" asks Stokes to Jadeja.

Well , Then you should have came and bowl. Bowl to Jofra. Jadeja hasn't asked you to bowl to Brook, has he, Ben?

Embarrassing behaviour by Stokes
Has he asked icc or umpires to dock the 4 additional runs he got in the wc final ?He should ask Icc to take out all his runs and wickets against minnows, low tier bowlers and runs on bazball flattracks.
 
Earliest possible has no thumb rule. He could have offered 5 or 6 overs back as well. He was in his 80s when it was offered. Just because he offers doesn't mean opposition has to take it. If the opposition can take something out of the remaining overs they are entitled to do it. Problem here is not about offering the draw. Stokes is well within his rights to do that. Problem is whining about India not taking it.
There is definitely a rule. Its when 15 overs are left in the last day. You cannot agree for a draw before that because of paying audience.

When 15 overs are left, any time both team can call it a draw if both agree.
 
They'd reached the point where the teams were allowed to shake hands on the draw and end the game. England wanted to do that but India wanted to keep going purely for personal milestones.

Yeah , India going for milestones was the issue. Not the despicable behaviour by Stokes , Crawley , Duckett and Brook.

Do the ECB actually pay for your PR?
 
Yeah , India going for milestones was the issue. Not the despicable behaviour by Stokes , Crawley , Duckett and Brook.

Do the ECB actually pay for your PR?

The ENTITLEMENT! like you are supposed to just roll over and let England tickle your tummy whenever they don't feel like bowling. It's a 5 Test series bro- it's for keeps EVERY day.
 
There is definitely a rule. Its when 15 overs are left in the last day. You cannot agree for a draw before that because of paying audience.

When 15 overs are left, any time both team can call it a draw if both agree.
Not sure if it's overs. I think it's when there's one hour of play left.
 
Imo stokes did nothing wrong. India are to obviously blame. India has never once been right and has consistently peddled fake victim propaganda.
 
Off the topix, is it a conspiracy theory or there is some truth to this that pitches in this series have been designed so that the games last 5 days and the revenue is maximum for the ECB?
Pitches in this series are possibly designed so that Root could overhaul Tendulkar's record. But ECB is well within their rights to do the same.
 
Australian media and cricketing fraternity has come down heavily on Ben Stokes and the English for yesterday’s downright embarrassing and shameful behaviour from them. They’re being labelled a bunch of pompous spoiled brats typical Brits. Even the Indian media has not hit them as hard as the Aussies are doing.
 
You did not watch the match live when India was batting so you are again giving your opinion based on the scoreboard.
I watched the match live, just not indian batting yes. But I watched the video pasted in this site and on this thread ^^. Stokes did nothing wrong.
 
As far going for the milestone in the last few overs, almost all the teams have done the same in the past even as the matches went for sure draw. During the recent years this is not seen much after the advent of T20 cricket as we see very few test matches these days go for sure draw. What was done by Indian team was well within the rules. Making centuries is morale boosting for Jadeja and Sundar who did a great job in saving the test match and Gill has to accept the same.
 
No team in world cricket have ever spoken the most about the spirit of game yet played against the spirit of the game as much as Ben Stokes and his team have done.

Stokes says he threw in the towel to protect his bowlers from getting injured.

Why the hell should the opponent side co-operate? You literally were targeting Pant's toes when he came back to bat with a fractured toe.

Just to rub it in should have batted on till the last ball, brought them to their knees .
:kp
 
No team in world cricket have ever spoken the most about the spirit of game yet played against the spirit of the game as much as Ben Stokes and his team have done.

Stokes says he threw in the towel to protect his bowlers from getting injured.

Why the hell should the opponent side co-operate? You literally were targeting Pant's toes when he came back to bat with a fractured toe.

Just to rub it in should have batted on till the last ball, brought them to their knees .
:kp

Yeah love what Gill did here, rubbing it on their face.

Life was smooth when Eng was piling on the 600 but the minute India makes them toil, start crying 😢 😭 💔 😫
 
Oh, thanks for that.

Im with stokes on this one.

Indians and their love for personal mile stones...
Just because it’s India it doesn’t mean we have to critical in every situation.

India do nothing wrong here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going for personal milestones when it wasn’t going to change the outcome of the match.

Anyone in their position including England would have done exactly the same. Jadeja and Washington earned it with the way they played for two sessions.

England was crying because of their frustration of being unable to get 10 wickets in spite of reducing India for 0/2 in 0.2 overs and then getting Rahul and Gill out in the first session.

They should have been able to take 6 wickets in the two remaining sessions and they couldn’t even manage one. Shameful.
 
Not Only England team but also wannabe supporters of England team are crying :kp
Yeah love what Gill did here, rubbing it on their face.

Life was smooth when Eng was piling on the 600 but the minute India makes them toil, start crying 😢 😭 💔 😫
 
Australian media and cricketing fraternity has come down heavily on Ben Stokes and the English for yesterday’s downright embarrassing and shameful behaviour from them. They’re being labelled a bunch of pompous spoiled brats typical Brits. Even the Indian media has not hit them as hard as the Aussies are doing.
Stokes has brought together unity amongst Pakistani, Indian, Aussie and Bangladeshis in calling out his antics yesterday.

Bazball started off with the objective of reviving test cricket in India but they may indirectly have actually achieved world peace :kp
 
Stokes has brought together unity amongst Pakistani, Indian, Aussie and Bangladeshis in calling out his antics yesterday.

Bazball started off with the objective of reviving test cricket in India but they may indirectly have actually achieved world peace :kp

Look at the state of test cricket, with dumb bazball

No need for much skill just flat phatta wickets with a gazillion easy runs to be scored...
 
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The whole episode was pathetic from the England boys.
I don't understand the mentality of the Indians either.
India should have pushed harder with their remaining batsman and 'declared' with their lead and put the frighteners up England for the last 15+ or so remaining overs.
With a new ball and 2 fresh opening bowlers and an 'toiled' and fatigued England, who knows what could have happened and the crowd would've loved it too.
Anyone remember this similar scenario from Edgbaston 1987?
 
In England vs Pakistan 3rd test 2020 20 overs were remaining and babar was in 70s and they shake hands because results were not possible and its just waste of time.......stokes was right...
 


England cricket absolutely embarrassed themselves. Lead by Stokes.

Look at headlines in Australia media's 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Pom deserved it .

:kp
 
Just because it’s India it doesn’t mean we have to critical in every situation.

India do nothing wrong here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going for personal milestones when it wasn’t going to change the outcome of the match.

Anyone in their position including England would have done exactly the same. Jadeja and Washington earned it with the way they played for two sessions.

England was crying because of their frustration of being unable to get 10 wickets in spite of reducing India for 0/2 in 0.2 overs and then getting Rahul and Gill out in the first session.

They should have been able to take 6 wickets in the two remaining sessions and they couldn’t even manage one. Shameful.
Na mate.
 
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Stokes and his crew were a childish bunch of cry babies, as if they would declare if their bats were nearing a 100 under the same situation.
 
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In England vs Pakistan 3rd test 2020 20 overs were remaining and babar was in 70s and they shake hands because results were not possible and its just waste of time.......stokes was right...

Expected response from another patriotic Indian fan

:inti
 
England are a ridiculously entitled team — “we will show the world how to play the game”, we define what is in the “spirit of the game” etc
The Indians were totally within their rights to carry on batting, as was Stokes for putting on Brook.
No need for drama a and it should not detract from a couple of amazing knocks by Jadeja and Sundar
 


England cricket absolutely embarrassed themselves. Lead by Stokes.

Look at headlines in Australia media's 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Pom deserved it .

:kp

Haha it's started already, the tour down under will be fun for Eng, bet Mitch and Pat are itching to bounce the flat phatta Bazballers out 🤡😁

 
Expected this type of behaviour from India in the name of “aggression” tbh. Usually they look like losers but in this case it’s the opposite.
 
True. If I was Gill, I would not have declared and made them bowl all the mandatory overs for their antics against Jadeja. Gill is too soft.
You gotta balance harshness with looking like a moron. In this instance Gill got the extra overs from the English, got his boys a ton and united the world in making comments on how rattled the English were. He worked the situation brilliantly. If he had batted on and on then he would have got criticised.
 
Just because it’s India it doesn’t mean we have to critical in every situation.

India do nothing wrong here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going for personal milestones when it wasn’t going to change the outcome of the match.

Anyone in their position including England would have done exactly the same. Jadeja and Washington earned it with the way they played for two sessions.

England was crying because of their frustration of being unable to get 10 wickets in spite of reducing India for 0/2 in 0.2 overs and then getting Rahul and Gill out in the first session.

They should have been able to take 6 wickets in the two remaining sessions and they couldn’t even manage one. Shameful.
Bro, Indians have been barking against Pakistani players around here with regards to personal milestones.

Now all of them are defending the personal mile stone aspect in this thread.

I dont mind Stokes and his players saying stuff to the Indian players because it was evident they were desperate for mile stones and celebrated it as a win.
 
You gotta balance harshness with looking like a moron. In this instance Gill got the extra overs from the English, got his boys a ton and united the world in making comments on how rattled the English were. He worked the situation brilliantly. If he had batted on and on then he would have got criticised.
Normally I would have understood that, but not after Brook & Crawley & Stokes’s attitude. Sore bullies.
 
Bro, Indians have been barking against Pakistani players around here with regards to personal milestones.

Now all of them are defending the personal mile stone aspect in this thread.

I dont mind Stokes and his players saying stuff to the Indian players because it was evident they were desperate for mile stones and celebrated it as a win.
That draw was a win. Playing out 5 sessions after being 0/2 is a win by any standards. And the English players reaction towards the end reaffirms that.

And obviously you will defend Stokes. If personal milestones didn’t matter, Lords wouldn’t have a century honor board or Stokes wouldn’t have waited for Ollie Pope’s double century before declaring against Ireland in 2023. Don’t you see the hypocrisy there? Why would have India declared when Washington was on the cusp of a very very well deserved maiden century?
 
Every Australian fan (the real oens) is having a field day with thisThey are trolling incessantly.


Opinion​

Spare us the whinging, England. The only thing embarrassing about Old Trafford was your tantrum​


“You want to get a Test hundred against Harry Brook?” Ben Stokes asked Ravindra Jadeja.
“F---ing hell Washy, get on with it. Get on with it mate!” Brook goaded Washington Sundar.

“How long do you need, an hour?” complained Ben Duckett.
“You shake our hands and it’s done. You want the hundred, that’s what you want. Embarrassing,” concluded Zak Crawley.

Another comprehensive moral victory for England, then.
India’s refusal to shake hands when Stokes offered the draw with an hour to go at Old Trafford, allowing Jadeja and Sundar to reach their centuries, sparked the cricketing equivalent of a collective tantrum from England’s Bazballers.
It was an unsavoury scene, as Stokes handed the ball to Brook to bowl right arm rubbish, the fielders offered only the most half-hearted of chases, and the snide comments mounted. Jadeja’s hundred, followed by Sundar’s, were only barely acknowledged by their hosts, and the bickering continued after India did accept the draw.
India’s tour of England has been a highly watchable affair, and now goes to the Oval with the series still alive. Victory for Shubman Gill’s team would get them to 2-2 and retention of the trophy now named for Jimmy Anderson and Sachin Tendulkar, after Tiger Pataudi’s was retired.


Increasingly, the balance of world opinion favours an Indian win in the final game. Why? Because the posturing that accompanied England’s Bazball revolution has got to the point that even some among their countrymen are beginning to tire of it all.
There is also the fact that the self-appointed great entertainers, all about saving Test cricket and making the game more enjoyable, are now increasingly inclined towards the kind of flinty attitudes held by teams rather more concerned with winning. The contradictions are piling up.

Steve Smith, for one, picked this up during the Manchester Test.
“They have started to play a little bit differently in the last couple of weeks in terms of playing the situation, as opposed to going out and trying to be the entertainers that they said they wanted to be,” Smith told the BBC’s Test Match Special. “They are actually trying to win the games now which is perhaps different to what was said in their comments previously.”

Back in 2023, England’s posturing included barbs about having effectively won a game at Edgbaston that they actually lost, then a flurry of indignation at Jonny Bairstow’s legitimate stumping by Alex Carey at Lord’s. This was closely followed by dog whistling to ensure that Australia’s players were given hell for the rest of the trip - the unpleasantness escalating even to death threats.
But of course, England did not win the series nor regain the Ashes. Similarly, they are yet to win a series against India under Stokes and Brendon McCullum. And their white ball team has slipped a long way from the heights of the 2019 World Cup, and got to the point last year that McCullum was asked to take over the all-format program.
So this year, with India and the Ashes both looming large, there has been a rhetorical shift towards more pragmatic cricket, but also more unpleasant behaviour on the field, in search of tactical advantage.
Open discussion of team meetings where tactical sledging was discussed certainly raised the eyebrows of Australian players, seven years after their own descent into the infamous Cape Town Test and all the introspection that followed.

Members of that 2018 team are well aware that the path of sledging and unsavoury behaviour is a slippery one, leading to ever-greater animosity. They were amused to hear Stokes mimic their old phrase after a spiteful Lord’s Test match: “At not one stage did we go over the line.”
The Australians also recall that if the sledging didn’t work, it would result in a backlash of commensurate fury from the likes of AB de Villiers or, some years earlier, Brian Lara.
McCullum has even called in Gilbert Enoka, his old friend from the New Zealand cricket team and a longtime advisor to the All Blacks, to help shape the culture and identity of England’s Ashes challengers.
Enoka still has some work to do. Faced with an Indian side that did not want to dance to their tune, England looked churlish, bad-tempered and even a little bit brittle: happy and jovial when things go their way, but sulky and childish when they don’t.

In Australia, the touring players will need to stick tightly together if they are to be the first England team to win a series or even a Test match here since 2011. Sledging and moral posturing won’t help them any more than it did at Old Trafford.
 
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