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[VIDEO] Did Rishabh Pant falsely claim 2 catches of Rassie van der Dussen?

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Watched several replays of the Rassie dismissal and its clear that the ball bounced in front of Pant, who claimed the catch. The umpires can change a decision, provided they do it "promptly."

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Elgar and Masubelele were with the Umpires for 10 minutes. Now chatting to Boucher. Judging by everyone's body language I don't think whatever they were asking for regarding RvdD's 'dismissal' has gone in their favour.
 
Don’t think he intended to cheat because from the side angle it looks like it went cleanly into his hands
 
Dean Elgar and team manager Khomotso Masubelele consulted with the umpires but Rassie van der Dussen has not come out to bat. Kyle Verreynne, who is likely to be the permanent wicket-keeper for some time, has joined Temba Bavuma.
 
The thing is 15 minutes before this catch Pant also claimed another catch that fell short of him. I completely understand if in the moment you don't realise if the catch is taken cleanly or not but ethically in a situation like this he should be the first one to suggest this is reviewed upstairs.
 
Very very poor sportsmanship from Pant. He claimed another false catch few minutes ago .
 
I initially thought it didn’t carry. The cheat pant claimed one earlier as well.
 
Looks clean to me. Bounced on ring finger of his left hand. All proper.

Even if it didn't bounce on his fingers, he won't know given the angle of his head.

No cheating.
 
The one given out was inconclusive, but the not out first one was clear bumped catch..
 
Claiming two fake catches in fifteen minutes is despicable.
 
Rishab cheat.

Faking two catches. What a joke of a player and insult to the game
 
Legendary batter Sunil Gavaskar has issued a strong response after Rassie van der Dussen's 'bump-ball' dismissal triggered a huge controversy on Day 2 of the ongoing 2nd Test match between Virat Kohli-less Team India and hosts South Africa at The Wanderers Stadium on Tuesday. Indian wicket-keeper Rishabh Pant completed a stunning catch to remove Rassie Van der Dussen on the final ball of the first session.

Though Van der Dussen was quick to take the long way back to the pavilion, the replays after his dismissal suggested that Pant had grabbed the ball off the grass. Thus, Van der Dussen's controversial dismissal became a major topic of discussion on Day 2 of the 2nd Test match between India and hosts South Africa. Commentators Mike Haysman and Sunil Gavaskar also spoke at length about Van der Dussen's dismissal during the first two sessions of the Johannesburg Test match.

Gavaskar even joked about Dussen's decision to walk back to the pavilion following his dismissal. “He walked, nobody walks in today's cricket. They might have fancy cars, that's why they don't walk. All of them have fancy cars so I don't know why Van der Dussen decided to walk. Nevertheless, I think perhaps that is an indication that from here and in slow motion it might look that it might not have gone but Van der Dussen didn't seem to have any problem with that,” Gavaskar explained on air.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...roversy-nobody-walks-in-todays-cricket/846339
 
Honestly, too close to say that he did it intentionally. He could have genuinely thought it was alright.
 
It’s difficult for Pant to know if he caught it clean . Best was to make use of technology however was not conclusive so can’t really blame Pant here
 
Funny thing was Rahul had a problem when he edged the ball to Markham at slip. Yet that was more of a catch than Pant's :))
 
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Lol at saying he faked this catch.. you can clearly see it's bounced from gloves fingertip..

Here's the zoomed video

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Lol at saying he faked this catch.. you can clearly see it's bounced from gloves fingertip..

Here's the zoomed video

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As clean as a whistle.
 
Always tricky these ones.

When I first saw the Rassie van der Dussen dismissal it looked not out to me. Having watched it a few more times it still looks not out.

Hopefully we'll get a clip of the other one that Pant claimed.
 
Funny thing was Rahul had a problem when he edged the ball to Markham at slip. Yet that was more of a catch than Pant's :))

Rahul doesn't have any problem with catch but think some of the SA players had a chirp at him for standing his ground
 
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Shami to van der Dussen, no run, Rassie van der Dussen reviews! The umpire thinks he's caught behind, but he has immediately taken DRS. He is confident there was no bat involved and UltraEdge confirms the same. There was a noise, but it was of the ball flicking the pad, and not the bat. Was a length delivery around off, and van der Dussen tried to chop it. The ball kept low, beat him, flicked his pad and flew to the keeper. In fact, replays confirm this had even bounced in front of Pant before he grabbed it. DRS comes to RvD's rescue..

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Seems Pant was not upto any good today.
 
Pant might have gotten away on a technicality but this was seriously poor of him, 2 back to back bump claims. With soft signals going as per what player says 'this inconclusive/conclusive' charade is really pointless.

In such cases, don't overthink it. Just take one good look and it is obviously a bump, adding info like its 2d image and bla bla is only confusing you into making a gutless call that it's inconclusive. Pant has really disappointed me.

He's degraded his own reputation, a clean as whistle catch was later looked by 3rd umpire before Bavuma was allowed to walk off. That's what you get, Pant.
 
Oh geez, that's a clear bump . What was the third umpire doing throughout all this.
 
Wicketkeepers always know when the ball is a bump ball based on the bounce. Because bouncing off the fingers hits the glove differently than bouncing off the ground.

Pant should have indicated to the umpire to take another look.
 
If any player falsely claims a catch, he should be suspended for a game or two.

Cheating should have consequences.
 
Side on replays clearly showed the ball going straight into the mitts. It was the correct decision by the umpire to go with the soft call. Just like they did for KL's dismissal..
 
Too doubtful to be called a cheat , it's one of those 50-50s and definitely keeper has a right to claim such catches without being labeled a cheat.
 
This is not cheating, very close - not like those from Rashid latif and ganguly type catches
 
The dismissal of Rassie van der Dussen had been a point of contention during Day 2 of the second Test between South Africa and India in Johannesburg. The batter had been adjudged caught behind off the bowling of Shardul Thakur with on-field umpire Marais Erasmus raising his finger almost instantly. The Proteas batter did not ask for a review. However, replays cast doubts on whether the ball had carried to India wicketkeeper Rishabh Pant or not.

The wicket also marked the end of the first session and the South Africans had a brief chat with umpires during lunch but the decision eventually stayed. In a perplexing series of replays that followed the lunch break in the second session, it seemed the ball had fallen marginally short of Rishabh Pant's gloves while he lunged forward for the catch. The replays triggered debate over the catch in the commentary box and on social media, and former cricketer Shaun Pollock and wicketkeeper Dinesh Karthik also debated over the incident.

Pollock said that the bulkiness of the gloves may sometimes not allow the wicketkeepers to realise if that the catch is clean, to which Karthik agreed.

“There was one where Rassie van der Dussen reviewed and it seemed to bounce short. There was another catch which was quite contentious and there was bit of discussion in the lunch break, South African camp went to ask if it had carried. It is funny enough that for wicketkeepers in particular with the gloves they've got and often for fielders, when you take the ball coming forward, you think you'd be able to see it and whether it has or hasn't carried but it's not that easy, is it? The odd times where even as a wicketkeeper, with the bulkiness of the gloves, you're sure whether it has carried or not,” Pollock said.

Karthik, in turn, pointed out that since the head is far away from the hands when the keeper is diving forward for the catch, it becomes difficult to know if the ball had actually fallen short.

“Absolutely. The way you do, the way you get the head away, it's hard to see the ball and because you have the glove which obviously has a lot of leather that protects you from the hits, what it does is that the impact on the ground is not seen,” Karthik said.

“You're not sure whether it comes straight at your gloves or just bounced. This happens a lot to slip fielders, and to fielders at any point. You just take it on the bounce and you are not sure and that's where you have your cameras and angles and in spite of all the HD technology, it gets really hard. So you have to go with the thumb rule for what the fielder says and on top of that, you have two umpires standing in the ground and getting a good view of what's happening and trust them. Because 15 years ago, we had the same problem, we had slightly lesser cameras, today the cameras have gotten better, there are far more cameras inspite of that we are not able to nail the decision.”

However, the Indian wicketkeeper-batter also insisted that South Africa captain Dean Elgar was right at his place to have a conversation with the umpires over the decision.

“If there's inconclusive evidence, you have to understand that you have to go with the umpires and the keeper as well. So I think the decision was well taken. I completely understand where Dean Elgar was coming from, obviously, it had a nick that probably bounced in front of the keeper. When it comes to Rassie van der Dussen, it wasn't obvious. As a keeper, you try your best to be honest about it but most of the times, you do miss it because of the protection on the gloves and you don't see it because your head goes back,” said Karthik.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...troversial-catch-by-pant-101641354877659.html
 
For all those claiming the moral high ground, nationalistic or otherwise and putting the boot in,
few things that should cross people minds
a) the angle of his head was not conducive to exactly say if clearly caught or not
b) one of them bounced after entering glove and settled in
c) As opposed to taking disputed catches with ungloved hands (ie an outfielder) i guess when u throw in angle of head, where the eyes are looking at time of catch, their body in the air or partly on the ground, it is harder to make out if ball hit the grass/ground or part of ground or their gloved hands were completely below the ball or partly resting on the ground or the ball touched the ground. It is far easier for ungloved hands to judge this.
Was;nt KL's dismissal similarly doubtful?
Don't see a thread on this -do u?
end of the day, there are 3rd umps who has benefit of replays and the correct decision was given on all 4 occasions (including KL)

so stop the collective slagging, moaning and groaning and move on.

but surely- we can do better with the umpire On field signals and leave it totally in the hands of 3rd ump who has benefit of replays assuming the on field ump didnt have a clear view or was far away from the action.
 
That's cheating. Any honest wicketkeeper would have not been sure about a catch like this and referred it to the third umpire, instead of claiming it. Pant should be ashamed of himself.
 
Clearly a bump ball. My suggest to fellow Indian is to not be too blinded by patriotism and try being fair for once
 
Rassie van der Dussen's dismissal right before Lunch on Day 2 of the second Test between India and South Africa had become a hot topic of discussion in the cricketing spectrum. India legend Sunil Gavaskar's 'nobody walks' comment on the incident worked as fuel to the fire.

While there were those who found sense in what Gavaskar had to say, there were those too who didn't. Former Zimbabwe cricketer Pommie Mbangwa, however, had a different take on the subject in comparison to the India legend.

Mbangwa said on lunch break show on Super Sport: "The umpire does give it out, or doesn't have to if we are going according to you know... 'lovely cars and why you walking' and so on. He doesn't have to. He walks off. The question is 'Hold on. You have a look at this and then thinks it hasn't carried."

"Look, I suppose the issue essentially is that at the very least stand. You wouldn't tell too many batsmen that. Just watch van der Dussen, watch his head. He doesn't even around. So he doesn't have a clue. I mean you're not even thinking for one moment that maybe it has dropped short. You're not reviewing if it's bounced short, you're reviewing whether you have nicked it. And he knew he nicked it," Mbangwa explained.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...dussens-controversial-dismissal/846526Mbangwa explained.
 
Im inclined to give Pant the benefit of the doubt. In the heat of the moment it is difficult to know whether the ball carried or took a bump off the ground.

The fact that it is still being discussed without any conclusion shows just how tricky such a situation is.

Reading through the read I can understand everyone points but for the life of me dont know what Gavaskar waa trying to say!
 
Rassie van der Dussen was fielding at the short leg when Pant came out in the middle. It looked like that the initial part of that conversation was related to the catch that Pant took to dismiss Rassie van der Dussen in the first innings. The South Africa batsman started teasing Pant. In light of that, Pant replied, “If you have half-knowledge, then keep your mouth shut”.
 
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