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[VIDEO] ICC clears Liam Plunkett of ball-tampering

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Our players lack basic common sense .why would you carry on batting with condition of ball like that .they should have told umpire to change the ball

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Their were 700 runs scored with the ball smacked all around. It’s understandable to see the ball become like that. But why was the ball not changed???
 
ethan hunt said:
How did the umpires not notice the condition of the ball.
Hard to hit that thing past the 30 yard circle.
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both batsmen on the crease and umpire where dumb.

Also These stupid umpires give 3 to 4 closed wide in favor of england .
 
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Good to know, we made them that afraid and desperate that they had to go for unethical tactics.

Poms made a lot of fun of aussies after that ball tempering incident so are we going to see one year ban on Morgan, Plunkett and Woakes and that too before the WC in their home where they are being considered favourites.
 
Plunkett is clearly using his nails which falls under ball tempering.
 
The video could have been doctored - so all allegations at the moment.
 
Tempering with ball. Clearly. If the video is legit this should invite an investigation.
 
Nothing wrong in what he was doing.

It's usual stuff, all the bowlers do it, i.e. rub one side to make it shine.

He's not scratching the ball with his nails, and it's not evident from the poor quality video.
 
Madplayer said:
Tempering with ball. Clearly. If the video is legit this should invite an investigation.
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Went over the footage myself with a few friends, its legit! The scratching of the ball is from the 42nd over after which Morgan removed Rashid from the other end and introduced Wiley. Then he started getting a bit reverse.

Also, the second half of the footage (with the condition of the ball) is from the last over (50th) when Woakes is bowling to Hassan Ali.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Went over the footage myself with a few friends, its legit! The scratching of the ball is from the 42nd over after which Morgan removed Rashid from the other end and introduced Wiley. Then he started getting a bit reverse.

Also, the second half of the footage (with the condition of the ball) is from the last over (50th) when Woakes is bowling to Hassan Ali.
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Good work. Now we know how Willey got those yorkers going, I also mentioned in the match thread that I have never seen him bowling such yorkers consistently before and that turned out to be the difference in death bowling.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Went over the footage myself with a few friends, its legit! The scratching of the ball is from the 42nd over after which Morgan removed Rashid from the other end and introduced Wiley. Then he started getting a bit reverse.
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In what video do you see his nails going into the ball? Post it here.

The one in this thread is just fine or not clear enough to show his NAILS.
 
Hawkeye said:
In what video do you see his nails going into the ball? Post it here.

The one in this thread is just fine or not clear enough to show his NAILS.
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Does the condition of the ball in one of the frames not bother you?
 
MenInG said:
Does the condition of the ball in one of the frames not bother you?
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It's gone back to the umpire numerous times between the Plunkett clip and the frame. The frame is taken from the last ball of an innings where the balls been absolutely battered.
 
HitWicket said:
It's gone back to the umpire numerous times between the Plunkett clip and the frame. The frame is taken from the last ball of an innings where the balls been absolutely battered.
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The ball has been battered from only one side?? Strange indeed.........
 
HitWicket said:
It's gone back to the umpire numerous times between the Plunkett clip and the frame. The frame is taken from the last ball of an innings where the balls been absolutely battered.
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Yes and balls have been changed in other matches much much before it becomes that rough. So clearly ball started to deteriorate in the last powerplay 40-50 overs and should have been changed then but it was never changed.

This ball couldnt have gone through that ring through which they pass the ball to check their shape.
 
Titan24 said:
Yes and balls have been changed in other matches much much before it becomes that rough. So clearly ball started to deteriorate in the last powerplay 40-50 overs and should have been changed then but it was never changed.

This ball couldnt have gone through that ring through which they pass the ball to check their shape.
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It's been rare for balls to be changed in ODIs (other than when they're lost) since we changed to the 2 new balls rule.
 
HitWicket said:
Taking better care of one side of the ball than the other is hardly new is it?
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Taking care of the ball and the ball gettered battered are two different phenomenons. If the ball is battered then it would be uniformly battered and not from just one side as shown in the picture

Taking care of the ball is to make sure that shiny side is not dampened by the sweat which comes from the palm (that's about it!), it does not take into account the overall shape of the ball.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Taking care of the ball and the ball gettered battered are two different phenomenons. If the ball is battered then it would be uniformly battered and not from just one side as shown in the picture

Taking care of the ball is to make sure that shiny side is not dampened by the sweat which comes from the palm (that's about it!), it does not take into account the overall shape of the ball.
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There's nothing indicating the ball is misshaped, just some tufts of leather on it. Something that could be held down with saliva.
 
HitWicket said:
It's been rare for balls to be changed in ODIs (other than when they're lost) since we changed to the 2 new balls rule.
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But still it doesnt allow umpires to not do their job just because two new balls are being used. Its their job to maintain fair playing conditions.
 
HitWicket said:
There's nothing indicating the ball is misshaped, just some tufts of leather on it. Something that could be held down with saliva.
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For reverse swing you dont need ball to be mishaped, you need it to be roughed up which it clearly was and that creates unfair advantage as you can now get your yorkers going with more effectiveness.

This condition of the ball was not normal, its an international match happening not a gully cricket match and umpires should have intervened much before it got to that condition and should have investigated.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
surely not

thats look like something you find at the bottom of the kit bag
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I didn't play cricket other than at recreational league level and you wouldn't find a ball like that in the bottom of my kit bag. Aren't the umpires meant to cut off bits of leather flapping around when they come away from the ball?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I didn't play cricket other than at recreational league level and you wouldn't find a ball like that in the bottom of my kit bag. Aren't the umpires meant to cut off bits of leather flapping around when they come away from the ball?
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yes they are, but the context I was talking about was that really old ball that you find where the seam is ruptured and bits hanging off, like something that was left in a puddle and chewed on by the park dog, thats what it reminds me of
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2 balls being used, 25 overs each - but it's amazing just how 'roughed up' these balls get sometimes. This ball is from the 42nd over of Pakistan's innings yesterday <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a> <a href="https://t.co/RJgRFGbEdG">pic.twitter.com/RJgRFGbEdG</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1127563392439418880?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Clearly tampering.... had a Pakistani bowler done it he would have been banned by now and the whole Pakistani nation held responsible for it. I guess the rules are different depending on the color of your skin.
 
MenInG said:
Does the condition of the ball in one of the frames not bother you?
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It's from the last over, I think some of the pieces sticking out should have been cut maybe.

Looks like wear and tear, rather than someone pulling it apart with nails.
 
Hawkeye said:
It's from the last over, I think some of the pieces sticking out should have been cut maybe.

Looks like wear and tear, rather than someone pulling it apart with nails.
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Bhai jaan wear and tear happens evenly across both sides of the ball and not just one side.... play a hard ball match first and then give expert opinion.
 
None other than our captain was at the crease , why didnt he protest about the condition of the ball?
 
Syed1 said:
Bhai jaan wear and tear happens evenly across both sides of the ball and not just one side.... play a hard ball match first and then give expert opinion.
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Not sure if I should even reply to that level of IQ posts.

How do you control what side will smash the bat and hit the concrete? It can't be "even"!
 
If you guys have played with white ball cricket it's totally normal for white ball to chip like that but from only one side is super fishy
 
Clearly there's some tampering going on. One must remember that the likes of Plunkett and Woakes are under pressure to perform or they'd lose their spots to archer and wood. Anyway I don't expect anything to happen. There was footage of the English bowlers tampering on SA tour in 2009/10 and also in CT '13 but guess what? Nothing happened :)
 
Hawkeye said:
Not sure if I should even reply to that level of IQ posts.

How do you control what side will smash the bat and hit the concrete? It can't be "even"!
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:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:




You cannot control which side of the ball gets smashed and hence the wear and tear is "even".... because over a long enough period both sides of the ball experience roughly same level of wear and tear, and not like the ball above where one side seems like brand new and other has craters. Sort of like if you toss a coin 10 times you might get 7 heads and 3 tails but if you toss a coin 100 times then heads vs tails will be very close to 50:50. In any case I didn't expect you to get it considering the level of knowledge displayed by you on this forum. For some people ignorance is truly bliss. :najam
 
If that is the condition of ball in the 42nd over then why didnt umpires change the ball....the ball also got a lot of hammering in the england innings but that didn't look like that....what were umpires doing...
 
That explains why Willey became unplayable in the death overs.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Went over the footage myself with a few friends, its legit! The scratching of the ball is from the 42nd over after which Morgan removed Rashid from the other end and introduced Wiley. Then he started getting a bit reverse.

Also, the second half of the footage (with the condition of the ball) is from the last over (50th) when Woakes is bowling to Hassan Ali.
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Well done.

So it means that clearly the ball has been tempered with.

1) plunkett is seen violently hamdling the ball with his fingers. Whether he used nails is not clear.

2) Condition of one side of the ball looks considerably worse than the other side. Hence it means that either against all probability, one side of the ball hit the pitch and bat about 80% of the time to induce such wear and tear or that simply one side of the ball has been tempered with.

3) They removed Rashid after 42nd over to bring on pacers. They started getting slight reverse after that.

Hmmm. Fishy.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ICC has confirmed that the match officials are comfortable there was no attempt by Liam Plunkett to change the condition of the ball or any evidence of this on the over-by-over examinations of the ball throughout in the ODI clash in Southampton on Saturday <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvPak?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EngvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1127598385626853377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Zeeraq said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ICC has confirmed that the match officials are comfortable there was no attempt by Liam Plunkett to change the condition of the ball or any evidence of this on the over-by-over examinations of the ball throughout in the ODI clash in Southampton on Saturday <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvPak?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EngvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1127598385626853377?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 12, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Surprise surprise, English players after all they cant cheat!
 
Ball tampering or not; that ball should have been changed.

Pathetic umpiring and pathetic kaptaan of ours as well for not noticing.
 
I can not say, through the videos on show right now, if there was any ball tampering but something we can all see is the ball was in a terrible condition. With Pakistan's captain out there for the last 5 overs, he really should have taken the lead and pushed for one of those balls to be changed.
 
Well done for ICC for reacting in record time!

Amazing reflexes to pull-off a blinder!
 
Can't tell from that video. Anyone have an HD copy? That ball should have been changed though.
 
I am more concerned by the umpiring with regards to the wides in the last 5 overs. Willey put some balls there that in any normal situation would have been called wides. That was a pathetic display of umpiring.
 
At lower levels of cricket, umpires are real harsh on wides.. bowlers don’t get any respite. On the line is a wide.

I believe international laws are different. On the line is NOT a wide. And marginal calls belong to the umpire. To me none of the balls I saw looked like wides. Maybe a few shorter ones that were not given could be wides but the lateral line calls were all fine and I saw the entire match...

Remember, if the ball goes wide of the line after passing the batsman, it’s not a wide. Our batsmen were pretty poor to anticipate this tactic. I would have targeted cover/ extra cover when willey was bowling. It seemed our guys were hell bent on playing ridiculous leg side scoops or hoicks to wide full balls on 9th stump. You could also try switch hit or reverse sweep.
 
Saj said:
42nd over.

It's from the video clip.
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The video clip is edited. You'll notice it's Plunkett holding he ball and Woakes bowling it. It's the final ball of the innings.
 
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Pakistan didn't see anything wrong with the ball as they were happy seeing Sarfraz not even being able to hit the ball outside the 30 yard circle.
 
Record-quick response from the ICC........Tabdeeli.
 
Pakistan got screwed here

ICC should have reversed the decision of the match
 
When it comes to White England players, no “compromise” from ICC
 
End of the matter.

We should move on to better things, conspiracy theories won't yield anything.
 
HitWicket said:
The video clip is edited. You'll notice it's Plunkett holding he ball and Woakes bowling it. It's the final ball of the innings.
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Nobody claimed that it was plunket bowling in the clip. Everybody is saying that plunkett was handling the ball in 42nd over and then clip of woakes bowling is from final over.
 
Syed1 said:
Bhai jaan wear and tear happens evenly across both sides of the ball and not just one side.... play a hard ball match first and then give expert opinion.
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Evenly? Lol. Good joke.
 
Can I just add, I'm 100% sure I saw the same ball [?], or similar condition at-least, when Hasan Ali bowled at Buttler.
 
ICC is bias and a sell out to the big 3, Pakistani fans should not let this drop.
 
Ah yes.

The famous conspiracy theory when we lose.

On to the next match.
 
Sherlock said:
Can I just add, I'm 100% sure I saw the same ball [?], or similar condition at-least, when Hasan Ali bowled at Buttler.
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You're not the only one. I felt same too when I watched that leg side six by Buttler. I was wondering how such a ball can be used
 
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So now we are going to blame the condition of the ball for our loss.
Lol, we all know Sarfraz and Faheem late order hitting already
 
have a look at the vids from the royal one day cup in the UK, the ball condition is consistent with the latter overs of the game i.e. this is the normal condition for the ball at that stage of the game, therefore ICC won't act, regarding plunkett he is just "cleaning" the ball, this excuse has been used by england many times before until it is proven beyond doubt icc will never suspect or label england as tamperers.
 
Not saying the change of ball would've resulted in a Pak win. But this is a typical Pakistani behaviour. No match awareness at all. Even a 10 year old kid who plays gully cricket will ask for a new ball. More than anything, Pakistan lacks basic match awareness which is why we lose from winning positions.
 
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Can someone pinpoint me the exact moment in the video...

Which over and which ball was it?

I'll take a clearer video and upload it to establish the truth.
 
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