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[VIDEO] ICC clears Liam Plunkett of ball-tampering

ICC may be ok with it, but the Pakistan team management are not.
 
ICC may be ok with it, but the Pakistan team management are not.

They should just drop it now, the batsmen at the crease are the ones who should have demanded the umpire change the ball, no point in complaining afterwards. Sarfraz can barely judge a decision review so no surprise he would be oblivious as to what was going on during the game.
 
They should just drop it now, the batsmen at the crease are the ones who should have demanded the umpire change the ball, no point in complaining afterwards. Sarfraz can barely judge a decision review so no surprise he would be oblivious as to what was going on during the game.

Dont think the idea is to get away with something wrong due to a technicality. If there is reason to be concerned, then a full inquiry should happen.
 
Dont think the idea is to get away with something wrong due to a technicality. If there is reason to be concerned, then a full inquiry should happen.

What would the complaint be about? I don't think the ball 'cleaning' evidence is conclusive enough, so the only other issue would be the state of the ball, and why the umpires didn't change it. Do you think the officials are likely to act on that basis?
 
Just legalise ball tampering using natural methods. It will make the game more balanced and fun.
 
Can someone pinpoint me the exact moment in the video...

Which over and which ball was it?

I'll take a clearer video and upload it to establish the truth.

That's the thing, I think this pic was circulated online, thus cannot be verified unless someone actually had it recorded.

All I can tell you is try to get a screenshot of when Hasan Ali was bowling at Buttler, at the fag-end of the innings [45th over, maybe?]. He hit that ball for a six and I'm sure that was where the condition of the ball is from.
 
What would the complaint be about? I don't think the ball 'cleaning' evidence is conclusive enough, so the only other issue would be the state of the ball, and why the umpires didn't change it. Do you think the officials are likely to act on that basis?

Maybe the frustration is about the casual attitude of the ICC towards such a complaint, with the history between Pakistan, England and the ICC obviously adding to the frustration.

Having said that, I agree when you say it was up to the on field batsmen to bring up the condition of the ball, one of which was the captain. They did not and that should be that for now.
 
Maybe the frustration is about the casual attitude of the ICC towards such a complaint, with the history between Pakistan, England and the ICC obviously adding to the frustration.

Having said that, I agree when you say it was up to the on field batsmen to bring up the condition of the ball, one of which was the captain. They did not and that should be that for now.

The frustration is understandable, but to complain will only bring more ill will towards Pakistan. If you are going to complain to the ICC you better have something rock solid if you are going against the Big 3. You and I both know this.
 
Famous Line by Chief Justice of Pakistan... If you can't slap the opponent on the right time, slap your self at a later time.
 
Needless to say I have taken some images of the ball at various stages at the end of the match, and this ball looks fine.

Either the above image is heavily doctored or it isn't the same ball.

I can provide the entire over of Liam Plunkett in which he is supposed to be scratching the ball in HD if required.

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Needless to say I have taken some images of the ball at various stages at the end of the match, and this ball looks fine.

Either the above image is heavily doctored or it isn't the same ball.

I can provide the entire over of Liam Plunkett in which he is supposed to be scratching the ball in HD if required.

The image of the scuffed up ball is taken from the penultimate ball of the innings. May be worth some screengrabs from that if you have the footage.
 
The frustration is understandable, but to complain will only bring more ill will towards Pakistan. If you are going to complain to the ICC you better have something rock solid if you are going against the Big 3. You and I both know this.

I agree which is why I said Pak just need to move on from this. The captain on the field, while batting, should have had his head screwed on and regardless of tampering, had the ball changed. Sarfraz has to start having his head screwed on.
 
The image of the scuffed up ball is taken from the penultimate ball of the innings. May be worth some screengrabs from that if you have the footage.

Okay I don't have much in the last overs to go buy as the camera didn't focus...

So I have two far off images, which seem okay.

But the last one perhaps is a damning one. It shows the ball quite bad (agreed) and I think it was by then the captain who had to ask the ball to be changed.

Here's a look

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Here's a look at the 2nd last to last ball.

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Make your guesses.
 
Sorry about that .. the 2nd last ball was the first picture.
 
World Cup winner Liam Plunkett has postponed any thoughts of international retirement and told England he wants to extend his top-level career as long as possible.

Given his age - the next World Cup in India in 2023 will be held on the eve of his 38th birthday - it was mooted that the Surrey fast bowler might call it a day ahead of this winter's tours.

Plunkett has lost four kilos since that extraordinary super-over win at Lord's on July 14, although he has not played for three weeks due to a broken thumb suffered in his second Twenty20 Blast appearance versus Glamorgan.

The 124-cap international will see a specialist today (Wednesday) to assess how the mallet fracture - in which ligament comes away from the bone - is healing.

But he hopes to feature in County Championship cricket for Surrey over the closing weeks of the 2019 season and be in the frame for the five-match Twenty20 series in New Zealand in November and three ODIs and three Twenty20s in South Africa next February.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...play-World-Cup.html?__twitter_impression=true
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Disappointed is an understatement</p>— Liam plunkett (@Liam628) <a href="https://twitter.com/Liam628/status/1175092079887880195?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Plunkett disappointed after missing out on a white-ball contract.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am really happy for all the boys who got contracted. I am not having a pop at anyone just disappointed I didn’t get one.</p>— Liam plunkett (@Liam628) <a href="https://twitter.com/Liam628/status/1175113628623806464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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England fast bowler Liam Plunkett says he would be open to playing for the United States in the future.

The 35-year-old, whose wife is American, has not played for England since winning the World Cup last summer and was not one of the 55 players asked to return to training last week.

"It would be nice be involved in some sort of cricket over there," he said.

"My kids might be American, so it would be quite cool to say to them that I played for England and the US."

The USA earned one-day international status at the beginning of 2019 and can already call upon former West Indies batsman Xavier Marshall, Hampshire all-rounder Ian Holland and ex-South Africa pace bowler Rusty Theron.

Plunkett, who says he is likely to settle in the US, would have to serve a three-year residency period in order to be eligible to play.

"I'm English and I'll always be an Englishman, but if I'm still fit and there's an opportunity to play at the highest level, why would I not take it?" the Surrey bowler told BBC Radio 5 Live's Tuffers and Vaughan Show.

"If I go over there and end up being a US citizen, or have a green card, I can help the development, especially being someone who has just finished with England. It would be nice to get involved in that."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/52885897
 
Vaughan slams England’s handling of Liam Plunkett

Former England captain Michael Vaughan slammed the England team management for failing to inform Liam Plunkett appropriately about his omission from the England team.

That Plunkett, the 35-year-old fast bowler, had to come to know about his omission through social media was a “disgrace,” Vaughan said in a podcast with former left-arm spinner Phil Tufnell.

“The most disappointing thing that I heard in that interview (of Plunkett, who joined Vaughan and Tufnell in the podcast) was that after the World Cup final, he won England a World Cup with a group of players and management, and not one person rang him up. Not one person,” Vaughan said in a podcast with former left-arm spinner Phil Tufnell.

“He had to find [the news of his omission] out through Twitter — I’m sorry, that’s back in your day, Phil. That doesn’t happen in this era of cricket, that’s a disgrace.”

Plunkett hasn’t played for England since helping the team win the World Cup last year. He also wasn’t included in the list of 55 who were asked to resume training last week following the coronavirus hiatus.

Plunkett, whose wife is an American, said he was open to playing for the U.S. if there was an opportunity. “It would be nice be involved in some sort of cricket over there. My kids might be American, so it would be quite cool to say to them that I played for England and the U.S.,” he told BBC Radio 5 Live’s Tuffers and Vaughan Show.

However, the pacer will have to serve a three-year residency period in order to be eligible to play for the U.S.

“I’m English and I’ll always be an Englishman, but if I’m still fit and there’s an opportunity to play at the highest level, why would I not take it? If I go over there and end up being a U.S. citizen, or have a green card, I can help the development, especially being someone who has just finished with England. It would be nice to get involved in that,” he added.
https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...nell-bbc-england-usa/article31737467.ece/amp/
 
Vaughan slams England’s handling of Liam Plunkett

Former England captain Michael Vaughan slammed the England team management for failing to inform Liam Plunkett appropriately about his omission from the England team.

That Plunkett, the 35-year-old fast bowler, had to come to know about his omission through social media was a “disgrace,” Vaughan said in a podcast with former left-arm spinner Phil Tufnell.

“The most disappointing thing that I heard in that interview (of Plunkett, who joined Vaughan and Tufnell in the podcast) was that after the World Cup final, he won England a World Cup with a group of players and management, and not one person rang him up. Not one person,” Vaughan said in a podcast with former left-arm spinner Phil Tufnell.

“He had to find [the news of his omission] out through Twitter — I’m sorry, that’s back in your day, Phil. That doesn’t happen in this era of cricket, that’s a disgrace.”

Plunkett hasn’t played for England since helping the team win the World Cup last year. He also wasn’t included in the list of 55 who were asked to resume training last week following the coronavirus hiatus.

Plunkett, whose wife is an American, said he was open to playing for the U.S. if there was an opportunity. “It would be nice be involved in some sort of cricket over there. My kids might be American, so it would be quite cool to say to them that I played for England and the U.S.,” he told BBC Radio 5 Live’s Tuffers and Vaughan Show.

However, the pacer will have to serve a three-year residency period in order to be eligible to play for the U.S.

“I’m English and I’ll always be an Englishman, but if I’m still fit and there’s an opportunity to play at the highest level, why would I not take it? If I go over there and end up being a U.S. citizen, or have a green card, I can help the development, especially being someone who has just finished with England. It would be nice to get involved in that,” he added.
https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...nell-bbc-england-usa/article31737467.ece/amp/

Wow that's crazy
 
We often criticize PCB's handling of players but Liam Plunkett's career manifests that there can bee loop holes in handling of other boards as well sometimes.

I was listening to his interview and he said that before the U19 world cup he was told that he will have to change his action to be part of the team. He said I used to have a long lever, high arm action with outswing and decent pace but, was modified into a Brett Lee sort of action on which I worked on for months. During U19 world he said he struggled and bowled mostly in 70s kph. After that when he went back to Durham one of the coaches was surprised and then again molded his action back to the previous one. He also faced lack of clarity with regards to what his role was at one time when he debuted for Eng, was he an enforcer or a swing bowler.

During all this process he outswing got lost as well and then redefined his career as white ball inswing bowler and enforcer in the middle overs.

Now post WC 19, as he said that not even a single person communicated his exclusion from the team.
 
We often criticize PCB's handling of players but Liam Plunkett's career manifests that there can bee loop holes in handling of other boards as well sometimes.

I was listening to his interview and he said that before the U19 world cup he was told that he will have to change his action to be part of the team. He said I used to have a long lever, high arm action with outswing and decent pace but, was modified into a Brett Lee sort of action on which I worked on for months. During U19 world he said he struggled and bowled mostly in 70s kph. After that when he went back to Durham one of the coaches was surprised and then again molded his action back to the previous one. He also faced lack of clarity with regards to what his role was at one time when he debuted for Eng, was he an enforcer or a swing bowler.

During all this process he outswing got lost as well and then redefined his career as white ball inswing bowler and enforcer in the middle overs.

Now post WC 19, as he said that not even a single person communicated his exclusion from the team.

Hearing he might go play in the USA.
 
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