[VIDEO] "I'm not happy at batting at number 5, because I want to bat at number 4": Mohammad Rizwan

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This culture of players deciding their own batting order should end.

It's the management and captain's right to decide who will play at which number, as they are responsible for any win or loss.

I don’t think Rizwan decided his batting spot. Otherwise he’d still be playing as an opener.

I personally don’t think a captain should be allowed to decide their batting spot either. Nor selection of the squad or even the team. It would make things fairer IMO, and allow better progress. Probably would also reduce the chance of any rifts in the team/squad.

Give the coach actual control. This captain controlling the team ideology is gone from most major sports and even in cricket it’s dying too. I think we just cling onto it too much, because we immortalise people like Imran Khan. But those were different times.

 

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I don’t think Rizwan decided his batting spot. Otherwise he’d still be playing as an opener.

I personally don’t think a captain should be allowed to decide their batting spot either. Nor selection of the squad or even the team. It would make things fairer IMO, and allow better progress. Probably would also reduce the chance of any rifts in the team/squad.

Give the coach actual control. This captain controlling the team ideology is gone from most major sports and even in cricket it’s dying too. I think we just cling onto it too much, because we immortalise people like Imran Khan. But those were different times.

That is wrong, he doesn't want to play as an opener In odi, its too taxing for a keeper, unless your a gilchrist, Sangakara or quinton type batsmen.

He can't keep 50 overs and then bat straight after with no rest.

He wants 4 because it an ideal position with spinners so he can play that sweep, and 4 gives enough overs as it's odi. He still normally will get 23 to 27 overs to bat which is more then his No in t20.

 

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That is wrong, he doesn't want to play as an opener In odi, its too taxing for a keeper, unless your a gilchrist, Sangakara or quinton type batsmen.

He can't keep 50 overs and then bat straight after with no rest.

He wants 4 because it an ideal position with spinners so he can play that sweep, and 4 gives enough overs as it's odi. He still normally will get 23 to 27 overs to bat which is more then his No in t20.

Meant t20 opener. If he had so much pull he wouldn’t have had to move to 3. But I disagree i think he’d take odi opener if offered.

 

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Meant t20 opener. If he had so much pull he wouldn’t have had to move to 3. But I disagree i think he’d take odi opener if offered.

He wouldn't, as for t20 opener, he'll get it back, him and Babar are in cahoots. It's only management that's trying to stop em.

 

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He wouldn't, as for t20 opener, he'll get it back, him and Babar are in cahoots. It's only management that's trying to stop em.

He lost his opening spot because Babar wanted to open. And I feel part of the reason Babar got captaincy back is because they thought he might be able to produce a similar partnership with Saim, and get Saim to perform under his “guidance”. He also would have been offered captaincy by now.

People are just making it more than it is. It’s simply down to the fact he has better performance than most batsmen we have over all formats as well as wicketkeeping. Guys early in their career/debutants hardly ever get preferential positioning over guys who have cemented places/international regulars.

People lump the two together, but Babar has far more sway being captain and a longer and more accomplished member of the team.

 

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In Odis, number 5 is a good spot for him to bat with Fakhar/Abdullah, babar, saud ahead of him. I think he should not be making such a statement because it makes him look bad. At number 5 spot, he will get a lot of spin overs so he can sweep them easily as he likes to do it. I don't know what this obsession is of him playing at number 4 or higher numbers.

 

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I don't understand why we can't go with

1) Saim Ayub
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Babar/Abdullah (Depending on form)
4) Saud Shakeel
5) Tayyab Tahir
6) Muhammad Haris
7) Salman Ali Agha( He should be Makeshift, Aka bat anywhere from 4 to 7, he's younger then imad, and shadab ain't cutting it, I think he can be a good batting allrounder for Pakistan is groomed, needs to be given a rope, but yeah he should be Makeshift, no 5 is his position if batting collapse but tayyab and haris if final 15 overs)

8) Shaheen Shah Afridi/ Ihsanullah( bring ihsanullah back if he recovers inshallah, we need 150kph pacers, not 130kph clowns)
9) Naseem Shah (I hope he improves)
10) Ali (Gun bowler, Injustice to keep him in reserves)
11) Abrar (Specialist spinner)

You can have onair bin aziz and shabzaida farhan in reserves

 

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I don't understand why we can't go with

1) Saim Ayub
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Babar/Abdullah (Depending on form)
4) Saud Shakeel
5) Tayyab Tahir
6) Muhammad Haris
7) Salman Ali Agha( He should be Makeshift, Aka bat anywhere from 4 to 7, he's younger then imad, and shadab ain't cutting it, I think he can be a good batting allrounder for Pakistan is groomed, needs to be given a rope, but yeah he should be Makeshift, no 5 is his position if batting collapse but tayyab and haris if final 15 overs)

8) Shaheen Shah Afridi/ Ihsanullah( bring ihsanullah back if he recovers inshallah, we need 150kph pacers, not 130kph clowns)
9) Naseem Shah (I hope he improves)
10) Ali (Gun bowler, Injustice to keep him in reserves)
11) Abrar (Specialist spinner)

You can have onair bin aziz and shabzaida farhan in reserves

Your XI is doomed with Saud Shakeel in it. He is nothing but a downgraded version of Babar/Rizwan school of thought.

 

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Your XI is doomed with Saud Shakeel in it. He is nothing but a downgraded version of Babar/Rizwan school of thought.

In psl, Saud managed a sr of 141 with an avg of 35. Compared to rizwan to avg 33 with a sr of 110.

He also outperformed babar in test despite batting out of position.

Him having a bad Australian tour means nothing. Rizwan and babar have had 4 bad tournaments in a row.

 

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Why are Babar and Rizwan allowed to take that lofty position of crawling to 40's and put the pressure on the rest of the side?

We've seen this movie time and time again: Ramp up the run rate and then blame the lower order. Why is it the responsibility of your Chachas, Asif Alis, etc., to play out of their skins to get us to respectability?

Ask yourself if your strategy was correct and why other countries don't employ it. I completely disagree with your point of taking Babar and Rizwan and putting them in the England or Aussie T20 team. There is no chance they would be allowed to play this way. The commentators would savage them after a couple of games and they would be out on their backsides.

Now, you can say that maybe other countries have better resources than we do. That could be a fair point. It may even have been true at one point in time.

But unless we constantly test our resources, how will we ever know?
And if we aren;t going to test them and Babar and Rizwan are the great players they claim to be then we need to ask them to step out of their comfort zones and increase their strike rates by 8.

I've had enough with them hogging every match for themselves, rotatign everyone in the squad but them and experimenting with every position apart from theirs.

I've never understood the argument of Pakistan doesn't have the luxury if Travis head type players so we must employ babar and rizwan.

Like you don't need to be Australia or India to mimick how they play.

Almost every t20 team, Australia, NZ, India usually utilise 2 gun openers to captilise on the first power play, followed by 1 or 2 amchorers who either stabilise if the openers fall early or will be shuffled down the order if the openers are of to a flyer, paired with finishers.

Australia always does this, if head and Warner fall early you kinda need Marsh to stablise. But if warmer and head are off to a fliers then maxwell and stones is your next send in. They shuffle the order depending on circumstances.

Pakistan can utilise 2 aggressive openers and if they fall early babar and rizwan can come in and anchor, no one would blame them, but if openers get to a good start, you can shuffle babar and rizwan down and have someone like haris or tayyab carry on.

Not a difficult formula to follow, has nothing to do with not having Travis head in our lineup lol.