[VIDEO] "Imam-ul-Haq's century today deserves to be put in the rubbish bin" : Tanvir Ahmed

[topspin]

He is right....


Imam played a selfish innings.. and it didn't help the team qualify, was more of a personal milestone against a minnow team...

infact the whole team's mindset was not to take any chance for qualifying but rather to win this pointless match. Sarfraz is to be blamed for that..


He killed whatso ever chance we had of getting to a total where we could have slighest of chance of beating the NRR scenario.


Pathetic that some posters would take this useless win and support these players despite their pathetic performance overall..

Well said. You need to post more often.

 

[topspin]

Lot of posters are taking exception to the comment because it's coming from Tanvir Ahmed, who is very much an unpleasant individual and he exposed this side of himself when he suggested there was no need for Wasim Khan because he could reform Pakistan's cricket structure for free, but on this occasion he is actually right.

I would suggest some of you learn to play the ball, not the man.

 

[Amoeba]

The quality of debate and analysis is really poor and this filters into the abuse on social media. I despair. I would throw all these people including Rameez and Shoaib Akhtar in the bin.

 

[Titan24]

Take out the SA tour, you'll see he's the king of baby soft runs. But this was suffice for him to consider himself to be "an automatic selection", so isn't it obvious with this attitude he takes his place for granted?

He played 151 runs innings against England as well in last series.

I remember people said Babar is king of soft runs etc without realizing he was just 23,24 years old learning the game. Same people appreciated his innings against NZ in WC.

Forget Babar, Imam who are the replacements who can average 60+ with Sr of 100+?

There is a reason commentators like Mark Nicholas, Nasir Hussain etc see talent in Imam.

 

[OmaIR1]

Yes yes,,,in our SpringyWrist playing 11 Imam is the only guy who has trouble rotating the strike.
And who needs Imam when you have Fakhar the ultimate "match winner" and "impact player."

And please do stop talking trash about technique.Its fakahr who is a walking wicket.Imam actually seems far more solid as better batting sense than Fakhar.

You also need to stop expecting an opening batsman to play like a finisher.Openers are supposed to get teams off to a decent start and he generally does that alright.Its the job of the rest to capitalize on that.

So what does Rohit Sharma do for India then?

So Imam's jobs is to score a slow 40-50 and then get out? And he can be a passenger in the team forever?

Fakhar Zaman has won us matches in the past. Sure, he's had a poor World Cup but that happens.

Imam Ul-Haq hasn't impressed me.

 

[The Viper]

Imam played for the win. Qualifying was impossible and those that thought there was a realistic chance are deluded. He helped Pakistan get to a match winning score. It was anything but selfish imo.

 

[Titan24]

So what does Rohit Sharma do for India then?

So Imam's jobs is to score a slow 40-50 and then get out? And he can be a passenger in the team forever?

Fakhar Zaman has won us matches in the past. Sure, he's had a poor World Cup but that happens.

Imam Ul-Haq hasn't impressed me.

Imam was man of the series in SA, was highest run scorer in poor Asia Cup for Pakistan, scored 151 vs Eng in last series (Though in a loosing cause but who team was a let down) and played a match winning innings today as well.

 

[Rudi hater]

Looks Fakhar scored a 100 runs off 100 balls and Imam got 31 balls 13 runs.

 

[Titan24]

Looks Fakhar scored a 100 runs off 100 balls and Imam got 31 balls 13 runs.

Name “Haq” bothers some people who cant look past it.

 

[Rudi hater]

I dont understand, either I wasted 30 years in cricket or people know something that our selectors or coach do not know. Imam is a great prospect, he is young and he has the technuque and an excellent fielder. Tanvir Ahmed unfortunately played handful matches for Pakistan and is not very educated he does come out with rather pathetic comments. The guy does not know how to conduct himself.

 

[Abdullah719]

Lot of posters are taking exception to the comment because it's coming from Tanvir Ahmed, who is very much an unpleasant individual and he exposed this side of himself when he suggested there was no need for Wasim Khan because he could reform Pakistan's cricket structure for free, but on this occasion he is actually right.

I would suggest some of you learn to play the ball, not the man.

You are letting your preconceived notions get in the way of objective thinking.

Mickey mentioned in the presser that the plan was to assess the pitch in the first powerplay and see how it played, and straight away, the openers felt it was on the slow side. Fakhar told the team as much when he got out. The initial plan was to TRY for 400 if the pitch was conducive but once they realised the pitch was slow, they gave up. Considering that the par score in the tournament is in the 270-280 region, that was the right idea.

Even Babar was struggling to hit boundaries for a large portion of his innings, though he started to get a few away towards the end to finish with a respectable strike-rate. In contrast, Imam superbly took advantage of the gaps in the field to keep his SR high, despite hitting fewer boundaries.

I don't see what is 'right' about Tanvir Ahmed's analysis. This 'selfish innings' nonsense is used way too often without any meaningful analysis or thought behind it.

The only aspect of the argument that is worth discussing is that he should have done this earlier in the tournament. In various scenarios, Fakhar and Imam both threw their wickets away, even after getting starts and they gifted the initiative to the opposition. With Imam, considering his age and the amount of time he's been with the team, I think it's difficult to criticise him too much for that. He has wisdom in terms of batting sense beyond his years and with more experience, he will/should get better. His hunger for scoring runs is not something that is common with Pakistani batsmen.

The main thing for him to work on is to improve his strike rotation in the powerplay. He is very good at giving the fielders the run around when the field is spread out, but not so with a tight infield. His slow starts are costly and mainly down to the fact that he often plays a slew of dots in a row which puts pressure on his partner as well.

A more dynamic range of shots would obviously help matters as well, and every now and then he plants his front foot early, which makes him susceptible. But all these are things that can be worked on in the long-term, there's hardly any batsmen who have it all figured out at 23 years of age.

 

[CadPakFan]

He did the right thing. Played a sensible knock. We beat bangla at the WC. Imagine their fans had we lost this game.

I personally don't care if we lost to Bangla as long as we had gone down fighting like 270 all out in 30 overs.

 

[Titan24]

You are letting your preconceived notions get in the way of objective thinking.

Mickey mentioned in the presser that the plan was to assess the pitch in the first powerplay and see how it played, and straight away, the openers felt it was on the slow side. Fakhar told the team as much when he got out. The initial plan was to TRY for 400 if the pitch was conducive but once they realised the pitch was slow, they gave up. Considering that the par score in the tournament is in the 270-280 region, that was the right idea.

Even Babar was struggling to hit boundaries for a large portion of his innings, though he started to get a few away towards the end to finish with a respectable strike-rate. In contrast, Imam superbly took advantage of the gaps in the field to keep his SR high, despite hitting fewer boundaries.

I don't see what is 'right' about Tanvir Ahmed's analysis. This 'selfish innings' nonsense is used way too often without any meaningful analysis or thought behind it.

The only aspect of the argument that is worth discussing is that he should have done this earlier in the tournament. In various scenarios, Fakhar and Imam both threw their wickets away, even after getting starts and they gifted the initiative to the opposition. With Imam, considering his age and the amount of time he's been with the team, I think it's difficult to criticise him too much for that. He has wisdom in terms of batting sense beyond his years and with more experience, he will/should get better. His hunger for scoring runs is not something that is common with Pakistani batsmen.

The main thing for him to work on is to improve his strike rotation in the powerplay. He is very good at giving the fielders the run around when the field is spread out, but not so with a tight infield. His slow starts are costly and mainly down to the fact that he often plays a slew of dots in a row which puts pressure on his partner as well.

A more dynamic range of shots would obviously help matters as well, and every now and then he plants his front foot early, which makes him susceptible. But all these are things that can be worked on in the long-term, there's hardly any batsmen who have it all figured out at 23 years of age.

Excellent post which explains everything in context of the match as well as Imam Ul Haq pretty well.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

First of all who is Amir to talk about anyone. We all know his aukaat. Best to keep quiet.

I respect Inzy immensely. Imam is a good young player but he has had a poor WC and today was a pointless innings. Only those with a minnow mentality are ok with just winning today and not even attempting to qualify.

 

[jnaveen1980]

By Imam's standard that was Gilchristque innings lol. His strike rate was 68 in this world cup until that innings. So a 100 strike rate is a vast improvement.

 

[topspin]

He played 151 runs innings against England as well in last series.

I remember people said Babar is king of soft runs etc without realizing he was just 23,24 years old learning the game. Same people appreciated his innings against NZ in WC.

Forget Babar, Imam who are the replacements who can average 60+ with Sr of 100+?

There is a reason commentators like Mark Nicholas, Nasir Hussain etc see talent in Imam.

I accept their views however the truth of the matter is he was not ready for this tournament. I'll say it again, he averaged 25 with a SR below 70 before today's dead rubber.

Babar had a bad series or two but he wasn't this bad.

Also that 151 knock was a curse, but it gave this false sense of confidence to the selectors and management that he was ready for this tournament.

 

[topspin]

You are letting your preconceived notions get in the way of objective thinking.

Mickey mentioned in the presser that the plan was to assess the pitch in the first powerplay and see how it played, and straight away, the openers felt it was on the slow side. Fakhar told the team as much when he got out. The initial plan was to TRY for 400 if the pitch was conducive but once they realised the pitch was slow, they gave up. Considering that the par score in the tournament is in the 270-280 region, that was the right idea.

Even Babar was struggling to hit boundaries for a large portion of his innings, though he started to get a few away towards the end to finish with a respectable strike-rate. In contrast, Imam superbly took advantage of the gaps in the field to keep his SR high, despite hitting fewer boundaries.

I don't see what is 'right' about Tanvir Ahmed's analysis. This 'selfish innings' nonsense is used way too often without any meaningful analysis or thought behind it.

The only aspect of the argument that is worth discussing is that he should have done this earlier in the tournament. In various scenarios, Fakhar and Imam both threw their wickets away, even after getting starts and they gifted the initiative to the opposition. With Imam, considering his age and the amount of time he's been with the team, I think it's difficult to criticise him too much for that. He has wisdom in terms of batting sense beyond his years and with more experience, he will/should get better. His hunger for scoring runs is not something that is common with Pakistani batsmen.

The main thing for him to work on is to improve his strike rotation in the powerplay. He is very good at giving the fielders the run around when the field is spread out, but not so with a tight infield. His slow starts are costly and mainly down to the fact that he often plays a slew of dots in a row which puts pressure on his partner as well.

A more dynamic range of shots would obviously help matters as well, and every now and then he plants his front foot early, which makes him susceptible. But all these are things that can be worked on in the long-term, there's hardly any batsmen who have it all figured out at 23 years of age.

When I say Tanvir is right, I agree with him but not in the context of how Imam paced his innings. I agree with him because this was a dead rubber ton, so for me it's a useless knock, because he couldn't deliver, when the team needed it before today's game. Averaging 25 at a SR of below 70 in 8 matches is unacceptable, no 2 ways about it! Tanvir has every right to feel the way he does about Imam, regardless of how jaahil he sounds.

FYI - I also find this ex-player to be a disgrace, but unlike 80-90% on here, I'm not going to play the man, I would rather play the ball.

 

[Abdullah719]

When I say Tanvir is right, I agree with him but not in the context of how Imam paced his innings. I agree with him because this was a dead rubber ton, so for me it's a useless knock, because he couldn't deliver, when the team needed it before today's game. Averaging 25 at a SR of below 70 in 8 matches is unacceptable, no 2 ways about it! Tanvir has every right to feel the way he does about Imam, regardless of how jaahil he sounds.

FYI - I also find this ex-player to be a disgrace, but unlike 80-90% on here, I'm not going to play the man, I would rather play the ball.

Tanvir feels the way he does because of the usual 'p.archi' nonsense which is on display in the clip posted in this thread, rather than any meaningful analysis about Imam's shortcomings, or acceptance of his strengths. All that is put aside in favour of buzzwords, that probably do entertain the masses, I suppose.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Criticizing performance on a day does not equate to criticizing the player forever. Gavaskar ,Tendulkar, Dhoni, Misbah, Jayasuriya, ..are some names which have been criticized for playing some meaningless innings.

Imam may be a future prospect but this 100 was selfish and of not much value. Even Asif Ali, Shoab Malik would have scored a 100 today because Bangladesh fielding was poor.

 

[topspin]

Tanvir feels the way he does because of the usual 'p.archi' nonsense which is on display in the clip posted in this thread, rather than any meaningful analysis about Imam's shortcomings, or acceptance of his strengths. All that is put aside in favour of buzzwords, that probably do entertain the masses, I suppose.

I think there's an episode where he got told off by some presenter (perhaps on the same show), which doesn't surprise me.

What disgusts me the most about him was his comments on Wasim Khan and how he tried to deceive the viewers, that he could somehow fulfil the same role without taking a penny for it

 

[Titan24]

Criticizing performance on a day does not equate to criticizing the player forever. Gavaskar ,Tendulkar, Dhoni, Misbah, Jayasuriya, ..are some names which have been criticized for playing some meaningless innings.

Imam may be a future prospect but this 100 was selfish and of not much value. Even Asif Ali, Shoab Malik would have scored a 100 today because Bangladesh fielding was poor.

So Imam only got 100 because of BD fielding?

By the way Malik has 9 ODI 100s in 285 matches while Imam have 7 in 37. Yes Malik have played in all the positions but still you are saying Malik would have scored a century like he doesn it frequently.

 

[Titan24]

Kane Williamson who is highly hailed by everyone and rightly so has a SR of 77 till now in this WC while Imam finished with 76.

Not comparing both but point is to try to prove that what matters is in which situation and pitch you are playing and what is required of you.

He is just 23 he will get better by playing more.

 

[Jeetlodil]

So Imam only got 100 because of BD fielding?

By the way Malik has 9 ODI 100s in 285 matches while Imam have 7 in 37. Yes Malik have played in all the positions but still you are saying Malik would have scored a century like he doesn it frequently.

Malik or any average batsman would have today because the bowling and fielding including field placing were very poor. Bangladesh was waiting for Pakistan to attack and make mistakes.

Did you see a single shot to spinner going down the wicket and lofting in the first 10 overs. That is how any other batsman would have attacked Mehdi, not let him dominate and push him out of the attack.

It shows a poor and selfish batting approach.

 

[offstump]

Some of the comments in this thread are laughable. I don’t understand what more poor Imam can do to get a little respect. He’s a top prospect and Pakistan’s best opener. Who are you going to replace him with if you think he wasn’t ready for this tournament? Tanvir Ahmed? Name me the opener who was ready for this tournament instead of Imam.
Imam is a class player and will only get better. If he got out guns a blazing the comments would have been centered around how he got out early and because of that it put pressure on Babar and the others which is why we lost the match. Good god almighty, take it easy and appreciate a good player when you see one.

 

[Jeetlodil]

Some of the comments in this thread are laughable. I don’t understand what more poor Imam can do to get a little respect. He’s a top prospect and Pakistan’s best opener. Who are you going to replace him with if you think he wasn’t ready for this tournament? Tanvir Ahmed? Name me the opener who was ready for this tournament instead of Imam.
Imam is a class player and will only get better. If he got out guns a blazing the comments would have been centered around how he got out early and because of that it put pressure on Babar and the others which is why we lost the match. Good god almighty, take it easy and appreciate a good player when you see one.

Even good players can have a horrible and selfish approach on a day

 

[Mirpur express]

His ton celebration reminded me of the moment 92 WC was won *

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Very Unfair to Imam ul haq

 

[surg]

It was a useless innings. They never tried to go for the run rate.
But then playing for your spot in the team is also important. You need special talent to go for that sort of innings.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

A good innings but a useless one. He's not a clutch player and should have performed in those pressure games. Babar and Haris proved they could step up in those must win high pressure situations. Imam did not. Soft runs aren't good enough. I won't say its rubbish because a 100 is still a 100. It's his first major tournament so I'll give him a pass but he really needs to step up when it's required becuase thats when the runs matter most. A good 50/60 in a high pressure chase will always beat a 100 in a dead rubber.

 

[the Great Khan]

What is this utter bakwaas..do you guys want imran farhat or wasti back? Imam is still young and is scoring fine for his age. Tanveer is just a loser who should shut up..

 

[sshakir411]

Imam is a good batsman but it’s true he sucked the life out of our innings in other games. Didn’t see how he played today but he needs to work on rotating the strike better. If Sharjeel has a miraculous return then its one of imam or Shan that should open with him.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

No matter what Imam does it will never be enough for arm-chair experts like Tanvir and people who despise him to the core; may of whom can be seen on this forum. They/you all are out to get him but not enough hate in the world will matter if he carries on scoring as prolifically as he has. He is without a doubt one of the best openers we have had in decades and at 23 he is only going to get better. Hope he keeps finding that inner-belief to succeed whether its through the brainless criticism and blind hate he is subjected to or something else.

Brilliant innings today. Started off quite slow but still managed to end on a SR of 100. His strike-rotation has improved in spades.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Imam is a good batsman but it’s true he sucked the life out of our innings in other games. Didn’t see how he played today but he needs to work on rotating the strike better. If Sharjeel has a miraculous return then its one of imam or Shan that should open with him.

You should have before making such an uninformed comment because he was striking at 100 today.

 

[Sunny_majoka]

now a days those players who hasn't achieved any thing are criticizing imam and babar who has better performances than them and still they have more cricket left

 

[iRfaN_LA]

He is right....


Imam played a selfish innings.. and it didn't help the team qualify, was more of a personal milestone against a minnow team...

infact the whole team's mindset was not to take any chance for qualifying but rather to win this pointless match. Sarfraz is to be blamed for that..


He killed whatso ever chance we had of getting to a total where we could have slighest of chance of beating the NRR scenario.


Pathetic that some posters would take this useless win and support these players despite their pathetic performance overall..

More than this match, teams attitude was pathetic in AFG match, that was our chance to improve NRR and they batted like absolute chickens.

 

[Gullycricket]

Seeing experts like Tanveer and some posters makes me feel we deserve mediocrity.People recommending Asif Ali over Imam need to check Asif's record.Telling you we will never make great batsman with this approach.For these experts opposition, conditions,pitch doesn't matter.BD also came out to win.

 

[Savak]

Tanvir Ahmed is only good enough for grunting at 120 km/hr and talking irrelevant nonsense. Ex Pak players are only good enough for being jealous of young blood and nothing else

 

[pillionrider]

Let's just say Tanvir Ahmed (whom I had to google) is worthy of sitting alongside Basit Ali.

 

[Gullycricket]

You are letting your preconceived notions get in the way of objective thinking.

Mickey mentioned in the presser that the plan was to assess the pitch in the first powerplay and see how it played, and straight away, the openers felt it was on the slow side. Fakhar told the team as much when he got out. The initial plan was to TRY for 400 if the pitch was conducive but once they realised the pitch was slow, they gave up. Considering that the par score in the tournament is in the 270-280 region, that was the right idea.

Even Babar was struggling to hit boundaries for a large portion of his innings, though he started to get a few away towards the end to finish with a respectable strike-rate. In contrast, Imam superbly took advantage of the gaps in the field to keep his SR high, despite hitting fewer boundaries.

I don't see what is 'right' about Tanvir Ahmed's analysis. This 'selfish innings' nonsense is used way too often without any meaningful analysis or thought behind it.

The only aspect of the argument that is worth discussing is that he should have done this earlier in the tournament. In various scenarios, Fakhar and Imam both threw their wickets away, even after getting starts and they gifted the initiative to the opposition. With Imam, considering his age and the amount of time he's been with the team, I think it's difficult to criticise him too much for that. He has wisdom in terms of batting sense beyond his years and with more experience, he will/should get better. His hunger for scoring runs is not something that is common with Pakistani batsmen.

The main thing for him to work on is to improve his strike rotation in the powerplay. He is very good at giving the fielders the run around when the field is spread out, but not so with a tight infield. His slow starts are costly and mainly down to the fact that he often plays a slew of dots in a row which puts pressure on his partner as well.

A more dynamic range of shots would obviously help matters as well, and every now and then he plants his front foot early, which makes him susceptible. But all these are things that can be worked on in the long-term, there's hardly any batsmen who have it all figured out at 23 years of age.

Abdullah bhai you could not have put it better.

 

[Savak]

Tanvir Ahmed sums up what is wrong with the Pakistani media. This is the only reason he gets called up, everyone knows he adds trp due to his controversial badtameez nature and statements

 

[saeed5646]

What do you expect from paindu like tanvir ahmed.imam played very good inning

 

[CleverSir]

Everybody here is talking like 500 was a realistic possibility. We played for the win, and got it. There was zero chance to qualify.

 

[Ahmed216]

I am sure Imam's SR will improve as his career progresses and as he feels more settled and sure of himself. We need to be patient.
Hes got temprament what most batsmen in Pak dont have and looks like a hard worker. Needs to improve his game against quality spin

 

[QalandarFan]

What do you define as the "team's cause"?

5 years ago I would die for a batting line-up that can consistently get us to 275. Thanks to Imam, Babar, and Haris we are now getting 300+ more than we have, ever in our history, but some people will never be happy.

 

[saeedhk]

Tanvir uses harsh language and that’s why people don’t like him. He actually makes a good point. Imam is Ahmad Shehzad 2.0. He was averaging 20 something with a SR of 68 before Bangla match. He didn’t score when it mattered. Now that it is a dead rubber he scores a century to retain his place. Fakhar also deserves criticism. Both of our openers have zero technique or batting ability to match modern cricket. Just can’t defend a person with a SR of 68 in the WC.

 

[Thinking_Cap]

Seems like Pakistan cricket directly wants Viv Richards and AB De Villiers, without waiting for a player to develop themselves. Have some faith in your younger players - he is still learning the craft. Imam is very different than Ahmad Shahzad, he seems committed to learning and has talent to work with. Rohit Sharma took AGES to fulfil his 'Tailunt' and look what we have now - at least give him half the time to learn his craft. Pakistan performed decently in this world cup, they had one terrible game which led them to be ousted.....

 

[Shafi]

Really do you think Imam played for the team's cause???

Then what master blaster Fakhar did? 13 of 31!!!!
We would have lost this match if Imam or Babar failed.

 

[Diffusion]

He's not wrong.

 

[Leeon1994]

What he said was harsh but true.

 

[Indiafan]

He is right....


Imam played a selfish innings.. and it didn't help the team qualify, was more of a personal milestone against a minnow team...

infact the whole team's mindset was not to take any chance for qualifying but rather to win this pointless match. Sarfraz is to be blamed for that..


He killed whatso ever chance we had of getting to a total where we could have slighest of chance of beating the NRR scenario.


Pathetic that some posters would take this useless win and support these players despite their pathetic performance overall..

How did imam kill the innings when father played one third as slow as him and lasted almost 20 overs? The biaeedness and double standards is so clear here

 

[Majid Khan]

The bias that Tanveer has against Inzamam and then his nephew is so obvious if anyone has been hearing his views during the WC on ARY news - not long ago he claimed Inzamam was not a legend in his view, fair enough he’s entitled to his opinion. Now recently during WC when Pakistan started poorly he highlighted Inzamam is just there to keep his nephew in the team. He’s been critical of Imam’s batting throughout and even his personality at one point, and now when Imam gets a 100 that wins a match , it still counts for nothing.

That’s some talk from a former player who played a few games here or there and is probably only recognised by immediate family as a former Pakistan player such is the impact he left on us all with his performances.

 

[Kroll]

Imam is an easy target at the moment and a lot of the criticism is unwarranted such as the vitriol spouted by these panelists like Tanvir.

It was a shambolic way to get out though. A great innings instead of a good one was there for the taking.

 

[Sunzi]

He's a good bat.

People have forgotten how poor a batting side we have been over the last 15-20 years. In Imam we have a young bat that averages 50ish and offers us stability and the chance of a start/platform.

He's the perfect foil for someone attacking like Fakhar who has been very poor in this WC. I have given Fakhar a massive pass because of the CT17 but he should be working in tandem with Iman; instead he has been found out and shutdown resulting in cheap dismissal whilst Imam plays his game of flicks and guides down to Third Man and attacking bad balls, square on both sides of the wicket.

It's ideal and he's doing a good job for Pakistan. People have forgotten the days of walking wickets like Ahmed Shehzad and Hafeez at the top and routinely being 15-2, 40-3 in the first 10 overs.

Yes, he should have applied himself better in earlier games. He was well set and scoring vs Australia - going well.

He missed 3 or 4 down the leg and still didnt learn... on the 4th or 5th attempt he gloved a terrible ball down the leg to the keeper and we fell apart. He had to think/apply himself better and see what the Aussies were doing - but it happens, had he he left it l, people would be criticising him for leaving "boundary balls" in a 300-chase.

 

[Green Patriot]

His innings against Bangladesh was a fine knock.No need to go OTT.
His performances throughout the tournament barring the last game have been mediocre though and must be criticized in a refined manner.
But from the two openers Fakhar was undoubtedly the bigger disappointment.

 

[Shaka81]

Tanvir is clueless. Why attack players who perform. Where is his criticism of Hafeez or Fakhar who both caused more damage with their lack of runs. Imam is not the perfect opener but he's gritty and hard working. He will improve but unfortunately for him that will never be enough for his critics. For them the hate is not really based on performance, it's personal and nothing will ever change their opinions.

 

[Rudi hater]

Some of the comments in this thread are laughable. I don’t understand what more poor Imam can do to get a little respect. He’s a top prospect and Pakistan’s best opener. Who are you going to replace him with if you think he wasn’t ready for this tournament? Tanvir Ahmed? Name me the opener who was ready for this tournament instead of Imam.
Imam is a class player and will only get better. If he got out guns a blazing the comments would have been centered around how he got out early and because of that it put pressure on Babar and the others which is why we lost the match. Good god almighty, take it easy and appreciate a good player when you see one.

You took words out of my mouth. Please tell us the replacement for Imam? People criticise but then don't give us the justification other than he is nepotistic choice nonsense.

 

[LordJames]

Tanvir Ahmed:

He is a crass individual who is a loud mouth, disrespectful and crude. Even when his criticism is valid, it is so visceral and personal that it loses value.

Criticism should be politely framed with a view for the other person to improve and Tanveer is just a foul mouthed pundit filled with hot air.

Imamul Haq and Nepotism:

However, there is some truth to the situation of Imamul Haq. He is constantly dogged by accusations of nepotism. I don’t care how mentally strong a 23 year old is, this takes its toll. Every time, he steps out to bat, he is stepping out to prove that he is there on merit.

It is my opinion that Imamul Haq is not going out there to bat for Pakistan but he is going out there to prove his critics wrong and defend his uncle’s reputation and his own worth. These two could be the same thing but in the case of Imaul Haq, they are not. He tries to save his wicket and stay as long as possible (thus has an inflated average and conversion rate)) but his runs are not helping Pakistan (look at his strike rate).

Imamul Haq even touts his average and conversion rate and thinks that he is an automatic selection so his mind is geared towards opposing the charges of nepotism.

Compare that to Babar Azam and he is gone past that stage and is now willing to serve Pakistan.

This is the key (mental difference) between Imam and Babar.

Someone needs to sit down with Imamul Haq and knock some sense into him, as long as he plays for Pakistan there will always be accusations of nepotism against him. When he fails, there these calls will be louder.

That’s the way it works.

He needs to learn to ignore these and become mature. Gesturing to Media after scoring a hundred etc is just immature.

Imamul Haq (as an opener):

He cannot rotate the strike, has limited array of shots, has faulty technique against pace and not exactly a wiz playing spin either! On merit, he is not the best opener at this time.

Abid Ali has been given limited exposure but has a better game and much bigger ceiling for Pakistan even now. It is evident that Abid Ali deserves to play ahead of Imamul Haq.

When Sharjeel Khan returns and deserves selection, Imamul Haq is an automatic drop!

Yes Fakhar has been a failure for Pakistan but Imamul Haq has glaring deficiencies in his game (despite his inflated average) and he still needs development. Imamul Haq and Fakhar are two different players so cannot interchange.

Imamul Haq is keeping Abid Ali out of the playing 11 at this time, he should be in the squad as a backup opener and continue to learn and get games.

When Sharjeel returns, Fakhar will need to be dropped but while Fakhar is around, Abid Ali should partner him.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Not just Imam, both openers have failed to fire in this worldcup... Was expecting a lot from "me automatic selection for the CWC" Imam but just played an inns of 100 balls 100 in the last game of the WC..

He was playing really well before , got a 150 against ENG just a series back and do nothing in the CWC...


Personal milestone innings usually get this treatment, nothing new as it deserved...

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Why is this villager on TV?

Every time I've heard him speak, only trash seems to come out.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

There was no way any team was scoring 400+ on this gripping pitch. Pakistan did the right thing and went for the win.

 

[Zaz]

Some of the posts criticising imam have been awful

Hes had a avge world cup yes but what was he supposed to do, down tools in the bangla match because we cant qualify?

He scored a 100 off 100 and helped the team win the game Yes runs wouldve been better earlier in the tournament but what if he didnt score runs and pakistan lost this game too

Can you imagine the abuse the team wouldve got to lose to bangaldesh?

Hes a young talent and has shown glimpses of potential with plenty of upside need to back him for the future when he scores runs and not criticise for his name

More blame is due on fakhar reallu whos been around long enough and shouldve led from the front which he didnt

 

[zee-za-man]

Pakistan did the right thing and went for the win.

Minnow and pathetic mentality no wonder protecting that club level player Imam.

The pitch was not gripping it was a belter.

On a pitch where there was zero spin and even Shakib went for almost 6

Yours truly Imam played 38 dot balls off Mehidy Miraz. Go down as the most selfish and shameful innings in Pakistan cricket.

If I was in place of Tanveer would've said throw this nephew and his uncle in the trash bin for what they did to Pakistan cricket.

What do you think the world does'nt know what this uncle nephew duo has been doing since Asia Cup?

Rofl when this joker Imam was batting Pakistan run rate was hovering at 4 and was not even 6 when nephew got dismissed, on a 350 pitch where the opposition has 3 spinners.

Even if someone makes excuse that 400 was never on, the issue is this lad Imam's presence we were not even in position to make 290 which is a below par score on international level.

 

[Abdullah719]

Yours truly Imam played 38 dot balls off Mehidy Miraz.

Don't lie and think you can get away with it.

Imam faced 23 balls from Miraz.

13 were dots and he made 14 runs off the remaining deliveries.

Meanwhile, Fakhar made 5 off 17 balls against Miraz

 

[JibranAnsari]

why people like him are given so much airtime by channels like ary , shaoib akhtar too is another poor choice by the channels.

 

[Hawkeye]

Kane Williamson who is highly hailed by everyone and rightly so has a SR of 77 till now in this WC while Imam finished with 76.

Not comparing both but point is to try to prove that what matters is in which situation and pitch you are playing and what is required of you.

He is just 23 he will get better by playing more.

Overall a balanced post.

I can't see what [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] is saying as he's on my block list now, but I assume he's trying to trash Imam again despite some of the improvement he has shown. Not surprised, as he cheerleads Imad's soft runs (90% of the time he scores soft), but would trash Imam for that.

Anyways, Imam did score soft runs in the BD match again, and was missing in the rest of the tournament. I will be happy with him if he can score at 85+ strike rate going forward.

 

[zee-za-man]

Don't lie and think you can get away with it.

Imam faced 23 balls from Miraz.

13 were dots and he made 14 runs off the remaining deliveries.

Meanwhile, Fakhar made 5 off 17 balls against Miraz

How many dot balls Mehidy bowled and who played the majority?

Good to see you contradictedyour own views when i was saying that this team never even had intent for qualification you were defending palying with words

like ' what is intent?' and Imam is a second coming of Saeed Anwar rofl

 

[Abdullah719]

How many dot balls Mehidy bowled and who played the majority?

Good to see you contradictedyour own views when i was saying that this team never even had intent for qualification you were defending palying with words

like ' what is intent?' and Imam is a second coming of Saeed Anwar rofl

No need to deflect. Why did you lie and say he played 38 dot balls from Miraz?

 

[zee-za-man]

No need to deflect. Why did you lie and say he played 38 dot balls from Miraz?

I'm not biased afor this blok so I don't need to lie. You can check also, Imam played 34-35 dot balls so no.s are not that hugely different. He played most dots off Mehidy [4] in 40th over when he was batting for 40 overs. Have not heard any top order player playing for 40+ overs and then blocking 4 dots in the death overs.

Had mixed up with Babar Azam who played 42 dot balls blocking Mustafiz and Shakib for 5 dots in some overs.

 

[Abdullah719]

I'm not biased afor this blok so I don't need to lie. You can check also, Imam played 34-35 dot balls so no.s are not that hugely different. He played most dots off Mehidy [4] in 40th over when he was batting for 40 overs. Have not heard any top order player playing for 40+ overs and then blocking 4 dots in the death overs.

Had mixed up with Babar Azam who played 42 dot balls blocking Mustafiz and Shakib for 5 dots in some overs.

So Imam played 34 dot balls out of 100 balls faced.

He faced 15 balls in the powerplay, where he faced 10 dots and as I described above in this thread, that's something he needs to work on.

After the powerplay, he faced 85 balls, of which only 24 were dots, which is pretty good.

In your desperation to prove you were right after the 'ashamed' thread you created yesterday, you are now clutching at straws to try and prove your point. Seriously, 4 dots in the 40th over? Yeah, surely deserves to be crucified.

 

[topspin]

Overall a balanced post.

I can't see what [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] is saying as he's on my block list now, but I assume he's trying to trash Imam again despite some of the improvement he has shown. Not surprised, as he cheerleads Imad's soft runs (90% of the time he scores soft), but would trash Imam for that.

Anyways, Imam did score soft runs in the BD match again, and was missing in the rest of the tournament. I will be happy with him if he can score at 85+ strike rate going forward.

Rich coming from you as you've been bashing Imam for quite a while now.

Nice try to derail this thread, if you want to discuss him, why don't you go back to the one you made "Did benching Imad Wasim really help Pakistan taste victory again?", or are you just too much of a chicken to deal with the posters on there calling you out? You may as well block them as well, since you can't take it on the chin, but you brought this upon yourself.

I'm no cheerleader, I called you out for opening anti-Imad threads because well you just dislike him on a personal level, so much so you vouched for a sub-standard cricketer like Faheem to replace Imad, just before the WC.

Imad was Pakistan's best player against Afghanistan and was rightly awarded man of the match. He saved us from an embarrassing defeat, which would have eliminated us out of this WC on this day last week. Unlike Imam, he hasn't just performed in the dead rubber, we played yesterday. He's been striking it at 115-120 in this WC and although his average is boosted by a couple of not out scores, he's done well to come up with 3 x 40+ scores in the six appearances he's made in this tournament.

 

[zee-za-man]

So Imam played 34 dot balls out of 100 balls faced.

He faced 15 balls in the powerplay, where he faced 10 dots and as I described above in this thread, that's something he needs to work on.

After the powerplay, he faced 85 balls, of which only 24 were dots, which is pretty good.

In your desperation to prove you were right after the 'ashamed' thread you created yesterday, you are now clutching at straws to try and prove your point. Seriously, 4 dots in the 40th over? Yeah, surely deserves to be crucified.

Your commentary itself is asking more questions. Why a player averaging 50+is facing so less bowls in powerplay and beyond?

Why his partner were playing more deliveries and wasting as they played more dots both Babar and Hafeez in order to protect him.

How many scoring shots and boundaries were hit inside powerplay and outside?
onyl 1 boundary in the powerplay where top order players hit huge percentage of their scoring shots in a match where there captain claimed previous day they will try to qualify and go for 400. Mr Imam was playing for 200 target for Bangladesh
6 boundaries outside powerplay rofl and very fewscoring shots like a 3 that washelped by sloppy misfielding by Mehidy.
Similar thing happened vs Afghanistan.
Can you tell me how many deliveries Mr Imam faced against Mujeeb[getting a lot of variation on a turner pitch]. He was leaving out deliveries not to face the first bowl of Mujeeb's over and pushed his partners to do it.

So we should be content and proud of Mr. Imam ul Haq and Babar doing tuk tuk in powerplay and beyond. This is Pakistan team not Afghanistan. You know well who occupied the opening positions before him and Hafeez and how they played.

When both Imam and Babar got out Paksitan's run rate was between 4 and 5 on a road like pitch, we a 220 million nation should be proud of this where system impose relative of cricketboard officials on us?
It is not only shameful but disgraceful as well

 

[Abdullah719]

Your commentary itself is asking more questions. Why a player averaging 50+is facing so less bowls in powerplay and beyond?

Why his partner were playing more deliveries and wasting as they played more dots both Babar and Hafeez in order to protect him.

How many scoring shots and boundaries were hit inside powerplay and outside?
onyl 1 boundary in the powerplay where top order players hit huge percentage of their scoring shots in a match where there captain claimed previous day they will try to qualify and go for 400. Mr Imam was playing for 200 target for Bangladesh
6 boundaries outside powerplay rofl and very fewscoring shots like a 3 that washelped by sloppy misfielding by Mehidy.
Similar thing happened vs Afghanistan.
Can you tell me how many deliveries Mr Imam faced against Mujeeb[getting a lot of variation on a turner pitch]. He was leaving out deliveries not to face the first bowl of Mujeeb's over and pushed his partners to do it.

So we should be content and proud of Mr. Imam ul Haq and Babar doing tuk tuk in powerplay and beyond. This is Pakistan team not Afghanistan. You know well who occupied the opening positions before him and Hafeez and how they played.

When both Imam and Babar got out Paksitan's run rate was between 4 and 5 on a road like pitch, we a 220 million nation should be proud of this where system impose relative of cricketboard officials on us?
It is not only shameful but disgraceful as well

More nitpicking now that your facts have been exposed.

I already addressed the facts about Imam's innings yesterday and the thinking behind Pakistan's batting, so can't be bothered to type all that again. You can continue to think it's all a conspiracy by 'relatives', that's your prerogative.

 

[zee-za-man]

More nitpicking now that your facts have been exposed.

I already addressed the facts about Imam's innings yesterday and the thinking behind Pakistan's batting, so can't be bothered to type all that again. You can continue to think it's all a conspiracy by 'relatives', that's your prerogative.

Are'nt you nitpicking from Imam's unusual innings and covering up his faults?

I'm also concerned about the thinking behind Pakistan's batting why a 52 average awesome player like Imam getting so less strike and his partners facing more deliveries in the initial part of the innings?
why a 52 average player playing in an international match hit only one 4 in the powerplay when 5-6 fielders are in the circle?
Imam's innings are not a conspiracy yes those advocating this club level technique as world class is definitely not normal.

 

[Abdullah719]

Are'nt you nitpicking from Imam's unusual innings and covering up his faults?

I'm also concerned about the thinking behind Pakistan's batting why a 52 average awesome player like Imam getting so less strike and his partners facing more deliveries in the initial part of the innings?
why a 52 average player playing in an international match hit only one 4 in the powerplay when 5-6 fielders are in the circle?
Imam's innings are not a conspiracy yes those advocating this club level technique as world class is definitely not normal.

He was scared of the Bangladesh bowlers, you win.

 

[Titan24]

Are'nt you nitpicking from Imam's unusual innings and covering up his faults?

I'm also concerned about the thinking behind Pakistan's batting why a 52 average awesome player like Imam getting so less strike and his partners facing more deliveries in the initial part of the innings?
why a 52 average player playing in an international match hit only one 4 in the powerplay when 5-6 fielders are in the circle?
Imam's innings are not a conspiracy yes those advocating this club level technique as world class is definitely not normal.

Average of 50 plus shows consistency. What are you on about with facing less strike, he can only face less strike if either he is rotating well by taking singles or his partner is not rotating enough which contradicts your own theory.

Rohit and Kohi (Rahul got out initially) scored 28 runs of 10 overs against Eng so they are not international class as surely they couldnt score boundaries as well?

Anyways I dont know what you are onto but would love to hear that who was the better opener we have produced in ODIs than Imam in last 10-15 years?

Also if he isnt good enough who should come in, surely you must have many options in mind considering how lavishly you are criticizing Imam?

 

[nam]

What do you define as the "team's cause"?

Scoring runs at better SR for starters? 300+ runs at 76 SR is not winning us Worldcups in 2019 era.

 

[nam]

These experts need to learn to speak. Better yet these tv channels should have boundaries on what is permissible and what not.
Tanvir, Shoaib and others have no manners on how to speak.

 

[Abdullah719]

Scoring runs at better SR for starters? 300+ runs at 76 SR is not winning us Worldcups in 2019 era.

I was talking about his innings yesterday.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The bravest critic in Pakistan. It used to be Shoaib Akhtar but he’s now mellowed down.

Glad people like Tanveer are still around.

Daleri, Janbaazi and badmashi the three principles of life all need to follow as said by Shabby.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes throw this Imam Ul Haq's century into Tanvir Ahmed please.