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Is the Muslim ummah really to blame for Gaza atrocities?

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The ongoing tragedy in Gaza has sparked intense debates about accountability and responsibility. Some voices argue that the Muslim Ummah bears collective blame for failing to act decisively, while others point to the actions of specific groups and leaders as the root cause.

Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, an Islamic scholar, offers a thought-provoking perspective: he critiqued the impulsive decisions of organizations like Hamas, their unilateral actions, taken without consulting the broader Muslim community, have led to devastating consequences. Ghamidi highlighted the importance of rationality, preparation, and understanding power dynamics before engaging in conflicts.

This raises a critical question: can the Ummah be held accountable for decisions it neither endorsed nor was prepared for? Or is it time to shift the focus toward fostering peace, development, and realistic strategies for the future?

 
Agreed with the smart gentleman, Hamas does not deserve Ummat-e-Muslima support.
 
Americans/Israelis have been comitting atroticies in Middle East for a very long time. Even if Hamas's attack didn't happen, I think Israel would've found other excuses to attack Gaza.

For example, Iraq. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Americans invaded Iraq for what exactly? They did it for Israel. Netanyahu asked USA to invade Iraq; see below:

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Muslim Ummah needs to punch above its weight and stop the 🐔 genocide which is being happening in Karachi & DHAKA #kfc
 
BouncerGuy said:
Ghamidi highlighted the importance of rationality, preparation, and understanding power dynamics before engaging in conflicts.
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Common sense prevails. Finally.

In muslim community. After thousands of deaths.

You don't take on judeo-christian forces. Period.
 
Killing of a young security guard.

Outside a franchised ice cream shop. In karachi. Yesterday.

Apparently to p!ss off israel and amreeka. islamic fellas devouring each other.

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BouncerGuy said:
The ongoing tragedy in Gaza has sparked intense debates about accountability and responsibility. Some voices argue that the Muslim Ummah bears collective blame for failing to act decisively, while others point to the actions of specific groups and leaders as the root cause.

Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, an Islamic scholar, offers a thought-provoking perspective: he critiqued the impulsive decisions of organizations like Hamas, their unilateral actions, taken without consulting the broader Muslim community, have led to devastating consequences. Ghamidi highlighted the importance of rationality, preparation, and understanding power dynamics before engaging in conflicts.

This raises a critical question: can the Ummah be held accountable for decisions it neither endorsed nor was prepared for? Or is it time to shift the focus toward fostering peace, development, and realistic strategies for the future?

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He's right to some extent. I made the comment in another thread recently, that you don't take a knife to a gunfight. This is what extremist groups with small agendas do effectively.

However, that does not excuse genocide committed by Judeo-Christian forces in their efforts to wipe out Palestine. They are the instigators and invaders, the backlash is a reaction, if ill-advised.
 
Taking the holistic approach, then no doubt the Ummah( of we can call it that) has allowed this mass murder. The West and Zionists respect power and in your face power. Look at Trumps retreats this week after many countries called his bluff. If Saudi and Qatar were Muslim countries, they could have imposed massive taxes on their exports of oil and Gas and the genocide would have stopped because the cost to Western consumers would have been too high to bear when prices are already high for Gas and electricity.
For me the Saudis and Qataris and pretty every Muslim leadership is so compromised with the desperate to stay in power to enjoy the trapping of govt, they don't care for Muslims.
 
Bewal Express said:
I bet these random acts make Netanyahu think twice about killing Muslims. These people are just stupid
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In all probability they just killed off the sole bread-earner. Of a family.

Now the women and children of his household are at mercy of outsiders.

FYI, underground sex industry in karachi is off the charts. Specially abuse of preadolescent demographic. Both boys and girls.
 
Farhan The Man said:
In all probability they just killed off the sole bread-earner. Of a family.

Now the women and children of his household are at mercy of outsiders.

FYI, underground sex industry in karachi is off the charts. Specially abuse of preadolescent demographic. Both boys and girls.
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Horrible and evil. The murder of an innocent man cannot be expressed in words that this forum would allow.
 
These things were planned by Zionists long back , and they worked hard to achieve their goals.

This is the same as RSS founded in 1925 , have worked over the years to propagate false narratives against Muslims and Christians.

The irony is that their leader children are living abroad eating beef burgers and common Hindu youths killing Muslims for beef.
 
Justcrazy said:
These things were planned by Zionists long back , and they worked hard to achieve their goals.

This is the same as RSS founded in 1925 , have worked over the years to propagate false narratives against Muslims and Christians.

The irony is that their leader children are living abroad eating beef burgers and common Hindu youths killing Muslims for beef.
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All right , that makes so much sense now. :unsure:
 
Justcrazy said:
These things were planned by Zionists long back , and they worked hard to achieve their goals.
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Even more ironic is your existence of yelping anti-israel propaganda, whilst simultaneously funding its existence with your taxes.

Your comfy time in judeo-christian land is soon to halt once deportation notice is served. At your doorstep.

No tim hortons here in pind. Just tehreek labaik pakistan. You'll fit right in.

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BouncerGuy said:
Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, an Islamic scholar, offers a thought-provoking perspective: he critiqued the impulsive decisions of organizations like Hamas, their unilateral actions, taken without consulting the broader Muslim community, have led to devastating consequences. Ghamidi highlighted the importance of rationality, preparation, and understanding power dynamics before engaging in conflicts.

This raises a critical question: can the Ummah be held accountable for decisions it neither endorsed nor was prepared for? Or is it time to shift the focus toward fostering peace, development, and realistic strategies for the future?
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This would be a welcome shift in thinking process. The lack of political unity among Islamic nations, Hamas acting recklessly on its own, and the influence of Iranian dictatorship with its own vested interests has weakened the Palestinian cause.
 
Farhan The Man said:
Even more ironic is your existence of yelping anti-israel propaganda, whilst simultaneously funding its existence with your taxes.

Your comfy time in judeo-christian land is soon to halt once deportation notice is served. At your doorstep.

No tim hortons here in pind. Just tehreek labaik pakistan. You'll fit right in.

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I am surprised at your statement because here I praised them for their hard work.

As far as taxes are concerned , I no where gave any fatwa that people should boycott those products or go and take a gun and fight. Those who have said in this forum or other places , tell them these points.

And more importantly , being a true Sanatani , why you avoid talking about RSS ? Here also you conveniently avoided them. But this is probably the only time I have praised their hard work as well .
 
Muslim Ummah is to be blamed for Gaza atrocities but not in the way most here would assume. It's not a lack of unity or action that's the problem, the real problem is celebrating terrorists and terrorist organizations as some sorts of heroes and liberators.

As long as this continues, Gaza will burn.
 
Farhan The Man said:
Even more ironic is your existence of yelping anti-israel propaganda, whilst simultaneously funding its existence with your taxes.

Your comfy time in judeo-christian land is soon to halt once deportation notice is served. At your doorstep.

No tim hortons here in pind. Just tehreek labaik pakistan. You'll fit right in.

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I would also like you to throw light on what exactly you mean by jeudo Christian land.
 
Bhaijaan said:
This would be a welcome shift in thinking process. The lack of political unity among Islamic nations, Hamas acting recklessly on its own, and the influence of Iranian dictatorship with its own vested interests has weakened the Palestinian cause.
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Your points are correct , also the reason behind those points is the real force.

When the British ruled over India , they divided the people there , thus with a few hundred British officials they could dictate so many people. It was proper planning and execution.

That is what is happening in the world today.

If a Muslim country breaks UN Treaty , there is sanction , when Israel does that it is Veto !
 
Hikaru said:
Muslim Ummah is to be blamed for Gaza atrocities but not in the way most here would assume. It's not a lack of unity or action that's the problem, the real problem is celebrating terrorists and terrorist organizations as some sorts of heroes and liberators.

As long as this continues, Gaza will burn.
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But isn't it Europeans who moved to Gaza and colonised it under the term settlers? :unsure:

And those settlers and their govt who is now bombing hospitals and committing genocide on the original inhabitants? :unsure:
 
Hikaru said:
Muslim Ummah is to be blamed for Gaza atrocities but not in the way most here would assume. It's not a lack of unity or action that's the problem, the real problem is celebrating terrorists and terrorist organizations as some sorts of heroes and liberators.

As long as this continues, Gaza will burn.
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Every where that has been the case throughout, it is not something new or exclusive in this case. For example LTTE , for Tamils they were liberators.

I have personally asked several Lankans about this issue to several Lankans . I do not know what is your age , but those who were present in those times , would be knowing the background.
 
Bewal Express said:
Taking the holistic approach, then no doubt the Ummah( of we can call it that) has allowed this mass murder. The West and Zionists respect power and in your face power. Look at Trumps retreats this week after many countries called his bluff. If Saudi and Qatar were Muslim countries, they could have imposed massive taxes on their exports of oil and Gas and the genocide would have stopped because the cost to Western consumers would have been too high to bear when prices are already high for Gas and electricity.
For me the Saudis and Qataris and pretty every Muslim leadership is so compromised with the desperate to stay in power to enjoy the trapping of govt, they don't care for Muslims.
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The Big Bosses make sure that those who boot lick are elected and remain in power.
 
Justcrazy said:
I am surprised at your statement because here I praised them for their hard work.
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You are left with no choice. They earned it.

By letting you live amongst them. By ensuring you don't want to leave. On your own.

Such is their allure. And power. It's captivating. Literally.
 
Hikaru said:
Muslim Ummah is to be blamed for Gaza atrocities but not in the way most here would assume. It's not a lack of unity or action that's the problem, the real problem is celebrating terrorists and terrorist organizations as some sorts of heroes and liberators.

As long as this continues, Gaza will burn.
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Yea, lazy argument, generated from the camps who wants to support and promote the last colonial outpost.
 
Farhan The Man said:
You are left with no choice. They earned it.

By letting you live amongst them. By ensuring you don't want to leave. On your own.

Such is their allure. And power. It's captivating. Literally.
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I already said they planned it and executed that , so what extra are you adding ?

Now coming to the question of immigration , the immigrants are brought in for a purpose , it benefits the host country as well , it is no charity.
 
If you continue israel-bashing, you will certainly need their charity to continue staying. On their turf.

For your own good keep your sentiments internally on the down-low.

You are dispensable in their society. And non-existent in ours.
 
A guy in Malaysia or Nigeria or Congo or BD or has nothing to do with Hamas and Israel war. It is pure delusion that somehow all these Muslim people from around the world stand on one word, combined their army and money to fight Israel and the West.
Muslim countries are a century behind Western tech. They can neither fight nor economically impact West. Ghamidi thinking as though the Hamas should have consulted Islamic countries around the world is laugh worthy. All Arab countries secretly want Hamas to be gone.
 
Champ_Pal said:
A guy in Malaysia or Nigeria or Congo or BD or has nothing to do with Hamas and Israel war. It is pure delusion that somehow all these Muslim people from around the world stand on one word, combined their army and money to fight Israel and the West.
Muslim countries are a century behind Western tech. They can neither fight nor economically impact West. Ghamidi thinking as though the Hamas should have consulted Islamic countries around the world is laugh worthy. All Arab countries secretly want Hamas to be gone.
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It’s simple: stop imprisoning Palestinians and give them their basic human rights, watch the hate vanish. 


Let’s not forget, it was European Zionists who claimed to be the 'chosen ones' and looked down on even Christians, they didn’t just walk in with superiority, they spit on the ground others prayed on.
 
BouncerGuy said:
The ongoing tragedy in Gaza has sparked intense debates about accountability and responsibility. Some voices argue that the Muslim Ummah bears collective blame for failing to act decisively, while others point to the actions of specific groups and leaders as the root cause.

Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, an Islamic scholar, offers a thought-provoking perspective: he critiqued the impulsive decisions of organizations like Hamas, their unilateral actions, taken without consulting the broader Muslim community, have led to devastating consequences. Ghamidi highlighted the importance of rationality, preparation, and understanding power dynamics before engaging in conflicts.

This raises a critical question: can the Ummah be held accountable for decisions it neither endorsed nor was prepared for? Or is it time to shift the focus toward fostering peace, development, and realistic strategies for the future?

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No and I disagree.

Because the atrocities of Isarelees, land grabbing and genocide was occurring long before Hamas (1987) or even Fattah (1965) even existed.
 
Farhan The Man said:
If you continue israel-bashing, you will certainly need their charity to continue staying. On their turf.

For your own good keep your sentiments internally on the down-low.

You are dispensable in their society. And non-existent in ours.
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If you are replying to me , then quote me . Show some guts online at least , if this is your state online , We can assume what you are offline.

When you are making false allegations against Islam that is fine , if I state facts about Israel , it is bashing ?

If you do not have in-depth knowledge about anything , why poke your nose in everything and change that to be against Islam and Muslims? The faith you follow is such that you have to hide behind being atheist , so that you do not have to answer questions posed.
 
Justcrazy said:
Show some guts online at least
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Show. Guts. Online. There isn't such a thing. My internet warrior.

We have viewpoints on mundane matters like islam and palistine.

And then we are off to our daily lives. Earning money. And paying taxes. In your case self-funding your mortal enemy.
 
Farhan The Man said:
Show. Guts. Online. There isn't such a thing. My internet warrior.

We have viewpoints on mundane matters like islam and palistine.

And then we are off to our daily lives. Earning money. And paying taxes. In your case self-funding your mortal enemy.
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What ever opinion you have , that does not mean when you reply to me , you will not quote me.

What you want is that you will reply to someone and you do not want others to respond? You keep posting your opinions , that will be refuted. You are still to answer my question in the other thread.

Nothing in wrong in being critical of Islam , we will answer your queries , but we expect you to respond to ours as well. It cannot be a one way traffic.
 
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