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There is gonna be some controversy now. So lets discuss.

Mahmadullah usually bowls a surprise delivery which is bowled before the popping crease.

Nawaz got surprised as it pitched left it and put his arms up and was bowled.

Keeper celebrated but umpire sided with nawaz.

At the end nawaz hit a four but mahmadullah did not reswrve any hard feelings.


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Mahmadullah - true gentleman (Nawaz backing away)

What happend there? Nawaz looked ready and then he moved away from the strike. Great sportsmanship shown from Mahmadullah there!

Allthough he bowled from way back the crease, Nawaz looked ready. Hmm.
 
Major said:
There is gonna be some controversy now. So lets discuss.

Mahmadullah usually bowls a surprise delivery which is bowled before the popping crease.

Nawaz got surprised as it pitched left it and put his arms up and was bowled.

Keeper celebrated but umpire sided with nawaz.

At the end nawaz hit a four but mahmadullah did not reswrve any hard feelings.
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uhmm no, that was NOT OUT.
 
On replay it looked out as nawaz was ready, he got surprised and left it
 
Out without any doubts. Poor from Nawaz and very good sportsmanship from
Mahmudullah to just bowl it again
 
If the delivery is legal by law (which I think it is) then the Batsman (Nawaz) was OUT.

You can't back away after the ball has already pitched. What the heck!
 
Not out, he pulled out when he realised what was happening. Did you want him to pull out before it happened or something?

Credit to Nawaz for pulling out tbh, maybe batsman would've been eyeing to smash the ball.
 
He was out. Pakistan cheated a win and showed a complete lack of sportsmanship.

Pathetic.
 
I don't think Nawaz should have been allowed to get away with that. Mahmudullah bowled from well behind the crease but that is still a legit delivery. If the batsman "wasn't ready" then he made himself unready. I reckon he was out, clean bowled
 
But one thing is sure, Nawaz looks like a good finisher. I have seen him do this several times for Pakistan now, maybe should invest more in him?
 
PCB must do the right thing and not only an issue an apology but withdraw this victory. This was pathetic and embarrassing to watch.

Bangladesh players should have protested. This was ridiculous.
 
Batsman was ready, but at the end bowler change his mind and did not ball. Same apply here.
 
Nawaz was like “this is a try ball”.

Shambolic stuff.
 
After watching the reply, it seemed like it was out as Nawaz pulled out after the delivery was bowled.

But, it's okay. Game is over now. Captain Mahmudullah was fine with it.
 
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I don’t care if it was out or not out

What I do understand from this is that Pakistani players as per usual are not the sharpest tools when it comes to game awareness and being alert at all times. We saw this earlier this year when Fakhar was fooled by DeQock. You’ve got to be switched on and ready for anything! Another day, another opponent and this might well have been out.
 
The replay doesn't show the full picture. Nawaz was looking down at his bat, and when he looked up, the ball was already released. The only thing he could do, and it was definitely a sensible move, was to back away.
 
Rana said:
I don’t care if it was out or not out

What I do understand from this is that Pakistani players as per usual are not the sharpest tools when it comes to game awareness and being alert at all times. We saw this earlier this year when Fakhar was fooled by DeQock. You’ve got to be switched on and ready for anything! Another day, another opponent and this might well have been out.
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Pakistan should have killed the game way before the last ball. They had 8 wickets in hand but as allways they make it more exiting than necessary.
 
if you read the actual rules of the game it seems this delivery was illegal because the bower can do anything behind the umpires line of view , throw the ball, bowl from extra wide etc, a bit of a grey area but in theory i think it is not allowed.
 
This is similar to how a bowler pulls out sometimes if a batter tries to play a premeditated stroke.
 
IAJ said:
Pakistan should have killed the game way before the last ball. They had 8 wickets in hand but as allways they make it more exiting than necessary.
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That is true.

Pakistan needed 19 runs from 19 balls. It shouldn't have gone to last ball. Sarfaraz was quite rusty.
 
IAJ said:
Pakistan should have killed the game way before the last ball. They had 8 wickets in hand but as allways they make it more exiting than necessary.
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That happens and will happen if Rizwan will be at the crease for more than 70% of the game. Shambolic tour for him and Babar, pointlessly eating up deliveries whereas guys like Haider, Khushdil, Nawaz and Iftikhar hardly got any game time
 
Mamoon said:
PCB must do the right thing and not only an issue an apology but withdraw this victory. This was pathetic and embarrassing to watch.

Bangladesh players should have protested. This was ridiculous.
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I think they should ban Nawaz for life
 
Kohli said:
People with little to no knowledge are hell bent on calling it “out”.
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Majority of the posters and especially the verbal diarrhoea specialist thinks they know all the rules of the game unfortunately
 
lol...
It's so funny to see posters here saying it was out and one in particular who wanted us to concede the game :)
 
asadee said:
Majority of the posters and especially the verbal diarrhoea specialist thinks they know all the rules of the game unfortunately
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They know it is not out but they have agendas and also have to maintain what they see as their role on this forum. Don't take any notice of them personally.
 
He pulled out just in time so he was Not Out.If he had been a little late he would have been out.
 
Rana said:
That happens and will happen if Rizwan will be at the crease for more than 70% of the game. Shambolic tour for him and Babar, pointlessly eating up deliveries whereas guys like Haider, Khushdil, Nawaz and Iftikhar hardly got any game time
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Rizwan 40 (43).. Sarfaraz 6 (12)..
 
Artaxerxes said:
He pulled out just in time so he was Not Out.If he had been a little late he would have been out.
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A bowler cannot bowl the delivery from behind the umpire.
That is the law.

The umpire has to be sure that the bowler has not cut the side line and is bowling a legal delivery (i.e not throwing / chucking the ball).
 
Rana said:
That happens and will happen if Rizwan will be at the crease for more than 70% of the game. Shambolic tour for him and Babar, pointlessly eating up deliveries whereas guys like Haider, Khushdil, Nawaz and Iftikhar hardly got any game time
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So what Rizwan did was to make sure the score got to striking distance before the hitters came in rather then the score being 30 for 4 with plenty to do. Job done by Rizwan.

Who got man of the series?
 
People with agendas like Mamoon would jump on any opportunity to put Pakistan down. For those who are clueless about the game, the bowler is allowed to bowl from behind the umpire and the batsman is allowed to pull out. Furthermore the umpire made a decision to have the bowl re-bowled which was hit for a 4. Had nawaz been out again on the final bowl instead of it being hit for 4 the mamoons would'nt even have bothered commenting and would then take the angle that pakistan was beated by a weaker team and thet the team snached defeat from the jaws of victory and bla bla bla

Pakistan won fair and square and we won 3-0 where both finalists lost to the same team on the same grounds. This Pak teams looks solid and its a matter of pride
 
Players back out all the time.. its similar to bowler not bowling when he sees batsmen reversing his stance. Nothing unusual there.
 
Can someone post the real time video from the front camera. The above video doesn't give a clear picture.
 
IMMY69 said:
A bowler cannot bowl the delivery from behind the umpire.
That is the law.

The umpire has to be sure that the bowler has not cut the side line and is bowling a legal delivery (i.e not throwing / chucking the ball).
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You're wrong ,read the rule first then comments .
 
silentkiller187 said:
if you read the actual rules of the game it seems this delivery was illegal because the bower can do anything behind the umpires line of view , throw the ball, bowl from extra wide etc, a bit of a grey area but in theory i think it is not allowed.
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Delivery was within rule if you read the rule .that was out.
 
Excellent presence of mind by Nawaz.
Those who were praising warner a few weeks ago will not praise Nawaz because they have Agandas.
 
Rana said:
That happens and will happen if Rizwan will be at the crease for more than 70% of the game. Shambolic tour for him and Babar, pointlessly eating up deliveries whereas guys like Haider, Khushdil, Nawaz and Iftikhar hardly got any game time
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He set it up nicely for sarfraz to come and make himself a hero, yet he labors to 6 (12). Rizwan done his job the other names you mentioned could barely even see home a simple chase, god knows what happens when they will have to score big.
 
skureishi said:
For those who are clueless about the game, the bowler is allowed to bowl from behind the umpire and the batsman is allowed to pull out.
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This is true. I have seen one Scottish spinner doing this during World T20. He was bowling from behind the umpire if I remember correctly. It was not called a no-ball or a dead ball.

The issue here is not about the legality of the delivery (it was legal). Issue here is whether or not Nawaz pulled out at the right time.

But, whatever it is, it is now done. Game is over and captain Mahmudullah was fine with it.
 
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Definitely disgraceful, for BD to loose the series 3-0.

Bowlers pull out of their strides as do batsmen. If the ICC governed umpires have not issue with what happened why do others?
 
Sycamore said:
Not out, he pulled out when he realised what was happening. Did you want him to pull out before it happened or something?

Credit to Nawaz for pulling out tbh, maybe batsman would've been eyeing to smash the ball.
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He pulled out after the ball was delivered. You can't suddenly step away after a legal delivery has been released because the style of delivery surprised you. Imagine someone stepping away because a leg spinner bowled a googly and it surprised them. Definitely out by the laws of the game.
 
If the umpire doesn’t have any problem with nawaz pulling out then why do the armchair critics here have one?
 
Just to reiterate it is fine to bowl from behind the stumps, ie. before reaching the popping crease but infront of the umpire.

If you bowl from behind the umpire it is illegal as the umpire cannot see what is happening, its pretty much common sense especially when there's no tv etc. how does umpire know action is legal etc.
 
Azzurri said:
If the umpire doesn’t have any problem with nawaz pulling out then why do the armchair critics here have one?
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If umpires gives a wrong decision as out would you also say accept it as umpire doesnt have any problem?
 
silentkiller187 said:
Just to reiterate it is fine to bowl from behind the stumps, ie. before reaching the popping crease but infront of the umpire.

If you bowl from behind the umpire it is illegal as the umpire cannot see what is happening, its pretty much common sense especially when there's no tv etc. how does umpire know action is legal etc.
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Bowling from behind the umpire is legal. I have seen one Scottish spinner doing this during World T20. Also, check this:

 
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silentkiller187 said:
Just to reiterate it is fine to bowl from behind the stumps, ie. before reaching the popping crease but infront of the umpire.

If you bowl from behind the umpire it is illegal as the umpire cannot see what is happening, its pretty much common sense especially when there's no tv etc. how does umpire know action is legal etc.
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Regardless of the fact that it's not really relevant given the bowler released the ball in front of the umpire in this case, could you please quote the law or playing regulation for your claim?
 
Nawaz pulled out just in time so was not out.Had he been late by a few seconds he would have been out.Batsman is allowed to pull out.I think it is legal to bowl from behind the umpire.
 
HitWicket said:
Regardless of the fact that it's not really relevant given the bowler released the ball in front of the umpire in this case, could you please quote the law or playing regulation for your claim?
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its common sense, part of cricket coaching courses for umpires will always tell you, if the umpire cannot see the ball being bowled he can call it dead ball because how is he /she satisfied the delivery was bowled legally. whether it is implemented is another thing similar to mankading, on this occasion the umpire exercised his right to call dead ball, which backs up my claim?
 
HitWicket said:
He pulled out after the ball was delivered. You can't suddenly step away after a legal delivery has been released because the style of delivery surprised you. Imagine someone stepping away because a leg spinner bowled a googly and it surprised them. Definitely out by the laws of the game.
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Bowling behind the umpire is before delivery issue, not the after delivery issue. Nawaz could not make sense of Mahmudullah's action WHEN he delivered the ball, not AFTER he delivered the ball and hence he pulled out of his stance.

If he pulled out after the bowl was delivered, then the umpire would have given him out. You can see that he lifted his bat and both arms before the ball was even pitched which means that he was not ready when the ball was delivered from that point.
 
sweep_shot said:
Bowling from behind the umpire is legal. I have seen one Scottish spinner doing this during World T20. Also, check this:

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its definitely illegal, but it is a grey area because it happens once in a blue moon there's always some controversy behind it.

If a player throws a baseball pitch from behind the umpire and the umpire doesn't see it how can he call it a no ball?
 
silentkiller187 said:
its definitely illegal, but it is a grey area because it happens once in a blue moon there's always some controversy behind it.

If a player throws a baseball pitch from behind the umpire and the umpire doesn't see it how can he call it a no ball?
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If it is illegal, why are these umpires not calling these no-balls? Look at the Dennis Lillee video.

Also, like I have mentioned, one Scottish spinner was doing this during the World T20. I was shocked because I thought it was a no-ball too.

It is apparently legal but I think it should be illegal.
 
silentkiller187 said:
its common sense, part of cricket coaching courses for umpires will always tell you, if the umpire cannot see the ball being bowled he can call it dead ball because how is he /she satisfied the delivery was bowled legally. whether it is implemented is another thing similar to mankading, on this occasion the umpire exercised his right to call dead ball, which backs up my claim?
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Umpires make incorrect calls all the time, there is no law or playing conditions that requires the bowler to deliver the ball from in front of the umpire.

Again though, that's not relevant at all in this situation given the bowler delivered the ball from in front of the umpire.
 
Brilliant presence of mind from Nawaz and gentlemanship by Riyad

This is one of those grey areas where laws are not clearly defined.
 
cricketerB94 said:
Bowling behind the umpire is before delivery issue, not the after delivery issue. Nawaz could not make sense of Mahmudullah's action WHEN he delivered the ball, not AFTER he delivered the ball and hence he pulled out of his stance.

If he pulled out after the bowl was delivered, then the umpire would have given him out. You can see that he lifted his bat and both arms before the ball was even pitched which means that he was not ready when the ball was delivered from that point.
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Again I'm not sure what delivery you guys are watching. The bowler very clearly delivered the ball from infront of the umpire.

If it is a before delivery issue then he should withdraw before the delivery. It's not a before delivery issue though, the batsman didn't like the bowlers style of delivery and didn't withdraw until well after the point of delivery which is tough luck.
 
HitWicket said:
Umpires make incorrect calls all the time, there is no law or playing conditions that requires the bowler to deliver the ball from in front of the umpire.

Again though, that's not relevant at all in this situation given the bowler delivered the ball from in front of the umpire.
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Even if the there is no law that states a bowler should bowl in front of the umpire and even though the bowler in this instance bowled in front of the umpire, this does not make Nawaz a cheat as some people (one in particular) has alleged. That same poster thinks the game should be forfeited.

It is the umpires who adjudicate and if the umpire called it a dead ball then how is this Pakistan's problem?
Going by some of the logic here, the Horbat test match should have been forfeited as the umpires failed to detect two clear edges..Or the test against the Windies in 2000 when Adam's liked it behind but the umpire failed to give that our too...
 
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This is why umpires exist. His call is final. I am sad to lose 3-0 but the laws are the laws. We ran Pk close and it was a well fought series.
 
MesonK said:
Brilliant presence of mind from Nawaz and gentlemanship by Riyad

This is one of those grey areas where laws are not clearly defined.
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Excellent from both Nawaz to pull out and Mahmudullah to bowl such a ball to finish the match.

Batsman normally takes guard and be on the move to play his shots expecting the ball to be atleast from the stumps, Mahmudullah shocked Nawaz by delivering it quickly behind the stumps , who was nearly ready to face and then had that sense to back away. Excellent piece of cricket and sportsmanship displayed.
 
Mamoon said:
He was out. Pakistan cheated a win and showed a complete lack of sportsmanship.

Pathetic.
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Just like England cheated a win in the world cup final, i remember you were dancing in joy back then.

That was indeed Pathetic and complete lack of sportsmanship. Not here.
 
HitWicket said:
Again I'm not sure what delivery you guys are watching. The bowler very clearly delivered the ball from infront of the umpire.

If it is a before delivery issue then he should withdraw before the delivery. It's not a before delivery issue though, the batsman didn't like the bowlers style of delivery and didn't withdraw until well after the point of delivery which is tough luck.
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Well, that was not like any mystery delivery. It was coming into Nawaz and he could easily hit that. But as you mentioned, he did not understand the bowler's style of delivery and pulled out just in time. Yes, I saw the replays again and it was tough luck for the bowler and fielding side, but so are the umpire's call in the reviews. So I think no controversy there.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Excellent from both Nawaz to pull out and Mahmudullah to bowl such a ball to finish the match.

Batsman normally takes guard and be on the move to play his shots expecting the ball to be atleast from the stumps, Mahmudullah shocked Nawaz by delivering it quickly behind the stumps , who was nearly ready to face and then had that sense to back away. Excellent piece of cricket and sportsmanship displayed.
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Did Mahmudullah do that only on the last ball? Or did he do that before as well.
Any batsman would be surprised if bowler bowled the delivery half way through their run up…
Folks overemphasizing sportsmanship as ultimately it’s the umpire’s call
 
cricketerB94 said:
Well, that was not like any mystery delivery. It was coming into Nawaz and he could easily hit that. But as you mentioned, he did not understand the bowler's style of delivery and pulled out just in time. Yes, I saw the replays again and it was tough luck for the bowler and fielding side, but so are the umpire's call in the reviews. So I think no controversy there.
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Withdrawing just in time would be withdrawing just before the ball is delivered. Not liking the perfectly legal style with which the bowler has delivered the ball when it's already on its way down to you is not 'adequate reasoning' to withdraw from a delivery.
 
I could think of some teams who would have said, no, that's out.
 
HitWicket said:
Withdrawing just in time would be withdrawing just before the ball is delivered. Not liking the perfectly legal style with which the bowler has delivered the ball when it's already on its way down to you is not 'adequate reasoning' to withdraw from a delivery.
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The umpires were present there to decide it.

I think in normal circumstances, the umpires would have allowed that delivery. But in this case, the result of match was dependent on this delivery and the umpires decided what they think was best, even though they were Bangladeshi umpires.

If you think about it logically, then it should be illegal delivery and ICC should make some rule about it. I mean it's the final delivery of the match and the match is depending on this delivery. The batter has taken his stance, and in his mind he has 5 seconds until the bowler completes his run-up. In his mind, the bowler is supposed to run 5 steps before delivering the bowl. But the bowler delivers the ball in 2 seconds and runs 2 steps. The batter has every right to pull out of such deliveries. Heck, they pull out just because of slight movement behind bowler or any kind of distraction. And bowling with this short run-up is a big distraction for a batter.
 
Mamoon said:
PCB must do the right thing and not only an issue an apology but withdraw this victory. This was pathetic and embarrassing to watch.

Bangladesh players should have protested. This was ridiculous.
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You think your buddies at the BCCI would do that?
 
Nawaz did the right thing if you can't see the bowler releasing the ball how are you suppose to play your shot
 
cricketerB94 said:
The umpires were present there to decide it.

I think in normal circumstances, the umpires would have allowed that delivery. But in this case, the result of match was dependent on this delivery and the umpires decided what they think was best, even though they were Bangladeshi umpires.

If you think about it logically, then it should be illegal delivery and ICC should make some rule about it. I mean it's the final delivery of the match and the match is depending on this delivery. The batter has taken his stance, and in his mind he has 5 seconds until the bowler completes his run-up. In his mind, the bowler is supposed to run 5 steps before delivering the bowl. But the bowler delivers the ball in 2 seconds and runs 2 steps. The batter has every right to pull out of such deliveries. Heck, they pull out just because of slight movement behind bowler or any kind of distraction. And bowling with this short run-up is a big distraction for a batter.
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Distractions behind the bowlers arm are completely different because the batsman pulls out prior to the point of delivery.

This is no different than any other variation. You don't see batsmen pulling out after a ball was delivered because the bowler decided to bowl a slower ball and it confused them. Batsmen are allowed to mimic movements/change their stance/advance down the wicket to help gain an advantage over the bowler. The bowler is allowed to bowl any kind of legal delivery, as this should have been, in response.
 
Saj said:
I could think of some teams who would have said, no, that's out.
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I think the issue here is that mahmadullah had kept that surprise element of bowling before the popping crease, once nawaz pulled out after the ball was in the air, the surprise element ended and thus on the last ball nawaz connected it.

If i was a bengali fan i would be abit upset, because once that surprise element is gone the batsmen would be extra careful on the next
 
A great tactic by Mahmadullah. He caught Nawaz off guard.

This is 100% out.


Shame on Nawaz and hats off to Mahmadullah for showing great sportsman spirit.
 
HitWicket said:
Distractions behind the bowlers arm are completely different because the batsman pulls out prior to the point of delivery.

This is no different than any other variation. You don't see batsmen pulling out after a ball was delivered because the bowler decided to bowl a slower ball and it confused them. Batsmen are allowed to mimic movements/change their stance/advance down the wicket to help gain an advantage over the bowler. The bowler is allowed to bowl any kind of legal delivery, as this should have been, in response.
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Again, you can see Nawaz's explanation of backing away here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOqtvuC9bnc

And again, the umpires were there to decide what was right according to the circumstances. You or anyone questioning that is just a waste of time until we hear something from ICC that it was a wrong decision from umpires.
 
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