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[VIDEO] "My job is to play & enjoy cricket. I don't have to answer or satisfy anybody": Babar Azam

Babar Azam in presser:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Good response from Babar Azam "my job is to play cricket and enjoy it. I don't have to answer anyone or satisfy anybody. I know what my responsibility is. I don't have to make anyone happy, my job is to help Pakistan win" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/vs7s28YPWD">pic.twitter.com/vs7s28YPWD</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1612085109175238657?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2023</a></blockquote>
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“I have not looked at the pitch. We will decide our playing XI after assessing the pitch. We will try to field our best XI"

“We will try to continue our momentum in white-ball cricket"

“The captain, coach and chief selector are on the same page because that’s important for the betterment of the team. We conveyed our opinion to the chief selector on selection of players"
 
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Babar Azam in presser:

“My job is to play cricket and enjoy it. I don’t need to satisfy or answer anyone. I know what my game and responsibility is while batting or captaincy. I don’t need to make anyone happy, my job is to win matches for Pakistan,”

This is poor from Babar. When you're in defensive mode you're surely not far away from the door.

The sad thing is that Babar built a united squad in his recent white ball tours. Now that the rest of the team senses weakness, i wonder if they'll be prepared to play so hard under his wing. It's going to be hard to keep the test match negativity away from his captaincy as a whole.
 
This is poor from Babar. When you're in defensive mode you're surely not far away from the door.

The sad thing is that Babar built a united squad in his recent white ball tours. Now that the rest of the team senses weakness, i wonder if they'll be prepared to play so hard under his wing. It's going to be hard to keep the test match negativity away from his captaincy as a whole.

I don't see anything wrong with his statement. He can only control the variables under his control and he should only worry about scoring runs and winning matches. And captaincy isn't the be all of cricket.
 
This is poor from Babar. When you're in defensive mode you're surely not far away from the door.

The sad thing is that Babar built a united squad in his recent white ball tours. Now that the rest of the team senses weakness, i wonder if they'll be prepared to play so hard under his wing. It's going to be hard to keep the test match negativity away from his captaincy as a whole.

I watched bits of the press conference where he gave these answers. To be fair to him, some of the questions were bot so much critical, but borderline offensive, and he did incredibly well to keep his cool.
 
The tone with which such idiotic reporters (jatt etc) ask management or players questions, their answers can and are easily taken out of context.

Admins please write the question as well to which he replied.

Just saw two clips of the pressers. One was shoaib jatt blabbering trying to pick a fight with babar, the other was where someone asked if Babar regrets keeping Sarfraz out of side for 4 years.
 
Another flat track awaits us, NZ will balloon up to 350, is our batting capable of chasing 350 with snails like Imam, Shan & holier than thou RizBar
 
The tone with which such idiotic reporters (jatt etc) ask management or players questions, their answers can and are easily taken out of context.

Admins please write the question as well to which he replied.

Just saw two clips of the pressers. One was shoaib jatt blabbering trying to pick a fight with babar, the other was where someone asked if Babar regrets keeping Sarfraz out of side for 4 years.

Good question tho
 
Wow some arrogance for the worst captain in Pakistan history. Hopefully someone will teach him some "tameez" soon.
 
Deluded and arrogant loser captain, the sooner this buffoon is sacked as skipper in all formats the better.

Good on reporters asking him tough questions, like most of pakistan current cricketers doesnt have a pair of balls to own up to responsability.

After every defeat he rambles on saying team is learning from mistakes, same dumb mistakes game after game no matter what the format.

The Fact PCB gave such a clown so much power he seems to think hes untouchable.

Same shambles we seen in T20s and Test we will see in ODIs with babar in charge.
 
He should have resigned from Captaincy after taking Pakistan through the worst home season of all times , and here he is talking about being under no obligation to be answerable to anyone.
 
Deluded and arrogant loser captain, the sooner this buffoon is sacked as skipper in all formats the better.

Good on reporters asking him tough questions, like most of pakistan current cricketers doesnt have a pair of balls to own up to responsability.

After every defeat he rambles on saying team is learning from mistakes, same dumb mistakes game after game no matter what the format.

The Fact PCB gave such a clown so much power he seems to think hes untouchable.

Same shambles we seen in T20s and Test we will see in ODIs with babar in charge.

We have reached a SF and Final in 2 WCs. So if that is shambles, lets have more. The test needs good spinners and we dont even have average ones, they are awful. That is a legacy of the poor wickets that encouraged poor, wicket to wicket medium pacers in domestic cricket for decades. Can you suggest some solutions to the spinning bowling problem?
 
We have reached a SF and Final in 2 WCs. So if that is shambles, lets have more. The test needs good spinners and we dont even have average ones, they are awful. That is a legacy of the poor wickets that encouraged poor, wicket to wicket medium pacers in domestic cricket for decades. Can you suggest some solutions to the spinning bowling problem?

Both the SF and Final were lost due to Babars poor captaincy, the way the team set out to play and his poor team selections. In regards to test yes the resources arent top class but the facts is when you keep picking same TTFs Azhars, Fawads, Shans etc.. and your negative mindset is hindering the team. A half decent captain wouldnt have gone 8 tests at home with out a win and nor would they have made a mess of a favourable WTC set of fixtures. Just like Babar keep your head burried in the sand like an ostrich and pray for the best.
 
Power has got to his head. His arrogance is unbelievable for someone overseeing our worst ever run of form in home Tests.
 
Both the SF and Final were lost due to Babars poor captaincy, the way the team set out to play and his poor team selections. In regards to test yes the resources arent top class but the facts is when you keep picking same TTFs Azhars, Fawads, Shans etc.. and your negative mindset is hindering the team. A half decent captain wouldnt have gone 8 tests at home with out a win and nor would they have made a mess of a favourable WTC set of fixtures. Just like Babar keep your head burried in the sand like an ostrich and pray for the best.

The reality that you and others aren't facing is that these players are very average and because they are average, we look at the captain to elevate them like Stokes. But Stokes is Stokes and has a WC win behind him.
As far as the selection is concerned if he dropped those players and we lost, you and others would have gone to the other side and said, we lost because we stopped picking the experienced players. He let them fail and now they have gone. It's not the best way to do things but look at the celebration of Sarfraz coming back. Many are asking why Babar dropped him, well because Riz was better at the time,and he played but as always with fickle fans, there is a quick rewriting of history to suit whatever agenda people want to put forward.
And I see you didnt answer the real question on the spinners. We can't win in our conditions against any half decent team because our spinners are barely FC. And why do we have such poor spinners, well T20 cricket has encouraged the darters and the arm ball bowlers. Against all 3 teams, Babar had the worst spinners. Lyons, leech and Sodhi were better than our terrible spinners Abrar, Nauman, Zahid and Sajid.
Babar isn't a great tactical captain but he captains a team that is very average.
 
It is the year of the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup and Pakistan are scheduled to play at least 11 One-Day Internationals and the ACC Asia Cup before the mega event.

They were locked on points with eventual runners-up New Zealand in the ICC Cricket World Cup 2019 at the end of the round robin but could not go through the last four because of a lower net run-rate. The Babar Azam-captained side would want to better that in the 2023 edition and that they have had a good form in 50-over cricket augurs well.

Pakistan have won all three series they played in 2022 against Australia, the West Indies and the Netherlands. They whitewashed the last two oppositions in Multan and Rotterdam, winning eight straight matches.

Their first ODI assignment is against the Kiwis from Monday as they play them in three matches, which are part of the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup Super League. Though Pakistan are ranked sixth and New Zealand the second on the 13-team points table from which top seven sides and India secure automatic qualification, they are separated by only 10 points.

With top-ranked India at 139 points, if Pakistan are able to stretch their red-hot form with a series-cleaning streak and beat New Zealand 3-0, in what is their final series of the cycle, they would summit the table.

Babar Azam: “It is the year of World Cup and we start our preparations for the tournament with this series. We are in good form in 50-over cricket and we want to ensure that we stretch it into 2023. Our ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup Super League did not begin as per the expectations but it was the team’s never-say-die attitude that has seen us to eight consecutive wins and a near-excellent ODI record in 2022.

“The conditions in India are going to be much similar to Pakistan so this is the right platform for us to test different combinations and see what clicks and what does not. I am sure the boys – at individual and collective levels – are raring to go and they will click as a unit.

Kane Williamson: “Pakistan are always a strong side and very consistent in how they operate. We are looking forward to the challenge of playing them in their own backyard.

“There will definitely be a few differences [from the Test series] with the time of day we’ll be playing, might be some dew on offer and the two white balls in play. The cricket will be slightly different and we will look to adjust as quickly as possible.

“Naturally, there is going to be more one-day cricket in the schedule. It is going to be good tough cricket in conditions we may experience some similarities come the World Cup time. Thus, any opportunity to come out as a team and try and put together improved performances is a good opportunity.

The last time these two sides faced off was in the 2019 edition of the 50-over World Cup and it was Babar Azam’s sublime 101 not out that helped them to a commanding six-wicket win in Birmingham. Their previous bilateral series (in 2018 in the UAE) ended in 1-1 as the final match was washed out.
 
Anyone privileged enough to play or captain their national team is accountable for their performances and decisions.

It’s the height of arrogance to have such a shambolic record as a captain and then have the gall to say you are not answerable to anyone.

This is the Pakistan Cricket Team, not Babar’s family shop.
 
The reality that you and others aren't facing is that these players are very average and because they are average, we look at the captain to elevate them like Stokes. But Stokes is Stokes and has a WC win behind him.
As far as the selection is concerned if he dropped those players and we lost, you and others would have gone to the other side and said, we lost because we stopped picking the experienced players. He let them fail and now they have gone. It's not the best way to do things but look at the celebration of Sarfraz coming back. Many are asking why Babar dropped him, well because Riz was better at the time,and he played but as always with fickle fans, there is a quick rewriting of history to suit whatever agenda people want to put forward.
And I see you didnt answer the real question on the spinners. We can't win in our conditions against any half decent team because our spinners are barely FC. And why do we have such poor spinners, well T20 cricket has encouraged the darters and the arm ball bowlers. Against all 3 teams, Babar had the worst spinners. Lyons, leech and Sodhi were better than our terrible spinners Abrar, Nauman, Zahid and Sajid.
Babar isn't a great tactical captain but he captains a team that is very average.

Ok so let me address each 1 of the points you have made.

1) No expects Babar to be a Ben stokes type captain. However lets look at the the poor aspects of Babars captaincy in tests.

- Persisting with senior players like Fawad, Azhar, Shan etc.. Your batting line up is struggling to put up runs on the board yet you persist with carrying passengers in the side which is one reason why pretty much every test the team has been chasing a deficit on 1st inns.
- Team balance, so on dead wickets like Pindi he decides to pick just 4 bowlers, the one surface where you should be playing 5 bowlers. Then when wickets are more balances he decides to play 5 bowlers, bits and pieces players or just batsmen (which consist of walking wickets like Fawad / Azhar shan)
- Acting like a coward and ordering flat wickets because he has no faith in his team performing in tough conditions
- Litterally every game falling asleep in the field, poor use of bowlers, **** poor field placings
- With the bat the team is safety 1st, trying no to lose 1st before trying to win.

Pakistan is an average test side, but a decent captain would be getting a lot better results out of the resources he has. Both Babar and Saqi are the worst captain / coach pairing ive seen in history of the game.

As far as player selection goes, i called for Fawad / Azhar to be moved before the Sri lanka and Australia series and for Saud and kamran Ghulam to both be picked, we may still have lost but both players now will have been playing their 9th or 10th test and longterm we would be building a good batting line up to compete again. Personally i didnt want sarfaraz back in team, Rizwan was rightly dropped and id rather we had gone with a new keeper. Sarfaraz fair play to him got runs so has proven his recall right.

The next point highlights how little most people on PP have watched cricket in pakistan. I keep hearing how we should produce "Spin wickets" like India / SL or Bangladesh. Ive watched pakistan play since 1987 and the vast majority of test matches in pakistan have either been dominated with the bat or its been the fast bowlers have done the damage. On the odd occasion you may have seen a test match won By Mushy, Saqi or Kaneria. But pakistan wickets have always favoured pacers more. Even the series vs SL (home) and SA (Home) were dominated by pacers. So all this crying about we dont have loads of good domestic spinners, news flash we rarely have periods where we have had loads of good spinners, when we did we were playing tests in UAE, which are more spin friendly then pakistan.

So to Answer your question pakistan need to produce wickets like they did for SL and SA series for all domestic games so its an even battle between bat and ball. Out of 30 domestic games this season 9 were postive results and 21 draws. when you are playing domestically on highways and mediocre players like shan, Azhar etc.. are scoring runs for fun that tells you that wickets are not testing players.


Pakistans strength is in its pacers. so give those paces conditions like we saw in SL / SA series where grass was left on wicket or we go abbrasive surfaces which helped for reverse swing. will we get those wickets? No because Babar **** his pants at thought of having to work for his runs, all he cares about is his so called legacy.You think any other captain after being humilated for 3 test series in a row at home would be mouthing off to the press saying he doesnt need to be accountable to anyone?
 
Hes right he doesnt have to answer to the press Hes only answerable to him employers and the fans not people attacking him like rabid dogs who have an agenda behind it all
 
This is an arrogant answer by the supposed captain.


Unfortunately, this "jahalat" is the norm in Pakistan that is why many posters don't see anything wrong with it. Many Pakistanis have never witnessed real humility and humbleness. Ever where you go in Pakistan, you face rude and degrading people. It is a totally aggressive and rude culture which needs to be changed.
 
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Ok so let me address each 1 of the points you have made.

1) No expects Babar to be a Ben stokes type captain. However lets look at the the poor aspects of Babars captaincy in tests.

- Persisting with senior players like Fawad, Azhar, Shan etc.. Your batting line up is struggling to put up runs on the board yet you persist with carrying passengers in the side which is one reason why pretty much every test the team has been chasing a deficit on 1st inns.
- Team balance, so on dead wickets like Pindi he decides to pick just 4 bowlers, the one surface where you should be playing 5 bowlers. Then when wickets are more balances he decides to play 5 bowlers, bits and pieces players or just batsmen (which consist of walking wickets like Fawad / Azhar shan)
- Acting like a coward and ordering flat wickets because he has no faith in his team performing in tough conditions
- Litterally every game falling asleep in the field, poor use of bowlers, **** poor field placings
- With the bat the team is safety 1st, trying no to lose 1st before trying to win.

Pakistan is an average test side, but a decent captain would be getting a lot better results out of the resources he has. Both Babar and Saqi are the worst captain / coach pairing ive seen in history of the game.

As far as player selection goes, i called for Fawad / Azhar to be moved before the Sri lanka and Australia series and for Saud and kamran Ghulam to both be picked, we may still have lost but both players now will have been playing their 9th or 10th test and longterm we would be building a good batting line up to compete again. Personally i didnt want sarfaraz back in team, Rizwan was rightly dropped and id rather we had gone with a new keeper. Sarfaraz fair play to him got runs so has proven his recall right.

The next point highlights how little most people on PP have watched cricket in pakistan. I keep hearing how we should produce "Spin wickets" like India / SL or Bangladesh. Ive watched pakistan play since 1987 and the vast majority of test matches in pakistan have either been dominated with the bat or its been the fast bowlers have done the damage. On the odd occasion you may have seen a test match won By Mushy, Saqi or Kaneria. But pakistan wickets have always favoured pacers more. Even the series vs SL (home) and SA (Home) were dominated by pacers. So all this crying about we dont have loads of good domestic spinners, news flash we rarely have periods where we have had loads of good spinners, when we did we were playing tests in UAE, which are more spin friendly then pakistan.

So to Answer your question pakistan need to produce wickets like they did for SL and SA series for all domestic games so its an even battle between bat and ball. Out of 30 domestic games this season 9 were postive results and 21 draws. when you are playing domestically on highways and mediocre players like shan, Azhar etc.. are scoring runs for fun that tells you that wickets are not testing players.


Pakistans strength is in its pacers. so give those paces conditions like we saw in SL / SA series where grass was left on wicket or we go abbrasive surfaces which helped for reverse swing. will we get those wickets? No because Babar **** his pants at thought of having to work for his runs, all he cares about is his so called legacy.You think any other captain after being humilated for 3 test series in a row at home would be mouthing off to the press saying he doesnt need to be accountable to anyone?

1) Lets assume Babar got rid of the seniors, well you dont have to look too far to see what happens with the Sarfi situation and the media. You cant get rid of seniors without having the capital of results behind you and he didnt. I hated the decision to pick tripe like AA for years but my neck isnt on the line if it didnt work.
Our wickets these days are pretty much the same as they always were. Look at Dennis Lillee stats from the late 70s, or Curtley Ambrose, ONLY taking a wicket in PK in 1997. The only difference that we had the bowlers to take wickets in those conditions, we simply dont these days. This isnt a Babar problem this is structural problem in PK cricket and the best you could argue is that he didnt have sporting wickets but if he did and we lost, the same guys that are criticising today, would be decryimg the stupidity of playing on sporty wickets. I do agree that he should have had the courage to play on supporting wickets because he as a batsman, is more than capable and bowlers like Naseem would have been given a fair chance. But if you think we would had proper sporty wickets under any other captain, then you are deluded

KG is the flavour of the month and as the old saying goes, players are always better when outside the team than when they are in the team. For the little i have seen of him, he reminds me of an 8 that bats up the order. But i am being harsh and lots hope my 1st instinct was wrong on him.

PK wickets have never favoured the pacers unless we are in the North in the middle of winter or the grass has been left on like in Karachi in 2006, its the quality of pacers that have taken the wickets and as the Aussie pacers showed and also the England pacers, thats still the case.

As far as spinners are concerned, we have always had decent spinners and that has stopped with the decline of Yasir and other teams have improved. We cant win with these spinners because they are useless.

As i said earlier we need to get wickets to be Sporty but our fans have been seduced by the UAE results on slow turners. Either way, Babar wont last long if results are poor as recently but the problems are much deeper than Babar.
 
I don't understand the anger directed at Babar.

Poor captain, yes.
Arrogant, maybe maybe not.

But someone please explain why they're angry at him?
 
I don't understand the anger directed at Babar.

Poor captain, yes.
Arrogant, maybe maybe not.

But someone please explain why they're angry at him?

If he is a poor captain and tactically he is quite basic, then sack him but the level of bitterness is shocking and shows a lack of class.
 
Exactly!!!

Babar has been very basic as captain but as batsman he is class, the best we have produced in the 2000s. And anyone saying otherwise is talking rubbish and the desperation to destroy the confidence of Babar is mind boggling. And i am saddened by the fact that people whose opinion on this forum i respected have brought into such tripe.
 
Feels like Babar wants to say a few things but his position as captain and as a contracted player is holding him back.

There's going to come a breaking point.
 
The amount of criticism leveled at Babar recently from journalists and even on these forums regarding his captaincy is awful. His the best batsman we have, yes his timid in his captaincy at times but not Everyone is gonna be a Imran or a MS Dhoni as a captain especially as his only been captain for about two years if I’m not mistaken. I just hope all this negativity don’t wear him down as far as his batting is concerned because let’s be honest. Take Babar out of the team and we ain’t getting much runs. His our best player by a country mile. Why people are hell bent on criticizing him at every mistake and asking him deluded questions has to affect him mentally.
 
Feels like Babar wants to say a few things but his position as captain and as a contracted player is holding him back.

There's going to come a breaking point.

You can tell from his facial expressions and the twitching of his eyes and lips.
 
Feels like Babar wants to say a few things but his position as captain and as a contracted player is holding him back.

There's going to come a breaking point.

There is an attempt to damage his confidence and that is shameful.
 
There is an attempt to damage his confidence and that is shameful.

He might need to start shutting some of these guys up or they will continue to try to humiliate him.

They see him as weak.
 
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My job is to play & enjoy cricket. I don't have to answer or satisfy anybody": Babar Azam

Well, then it shouldn’t matter to you if you don’t get paid, and also removed from captaincy, to play as specialist batsman with no pay check.

Let’s see what nerves he has?
 
He might need to start shutting some of these guys up or they will continue to try to humiliate him.

They see him as weak.

But then you get the he is arrogant brigade on his back. We produced one decent batsman in the last 2 decades and complete losers are trying to break him.
 
Dude is contradicting himself, laughable stuff really.

Says he doesn't owe anyone in Pakistan answers but at the same time says his job is to help Pakistan win.

Fool, of course you owe Pakistani fans and their media answers who are literally the backbone of Pakistan, after all didn't you just say you want to help their country win? It all comes full circle, you're literally playing for them!
 
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He might need to start shutting some of these guys up or they will continue to try to humiliate him.

They see him as weak.

Trying to give assertive responses to the media will be a big mistake. I don't think he has the class and intellect to give an assertive response that will be perceived well. Most of the responses come off as uneducated and arrogant.

If he tries to do anything smart, it will be digging a hole. Babar is clearly not PR-trained. That is why they have appointed Shan as VC, but Shan doesn't merit a place in the playing XI.
 
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Dude is contradicting himself, laughable stuff really.

Says he doesn't owe anyone in Pakistan answers but at the same time says his job is to help Pakistan win.

Fool, of course you owe Pakistani fans and their media answers who are literally the backbone of Pakistan, after all didn't you just say you want to help their country win? It all comes full circle, you're literally playing for them!

The media has an agenda. He can feel it and answers accordingly.
 
People asking for him to be sacked - what are the alternatives?

We had the opposite issue with Sarfraz, where he wasn’t performing well and wasn’t the strongest leader in terms of decision making prowess.

What will it take for some of you to realize our players are just pants and it will take them some time to mature? No captain or coach can make this team world-beaters.
 
Some seriously pathetic and low-grade questions by some very low-grade reporters. Babar was way too nice. I guess some of you haven't heard Kohli answer reporters in the past. That's the way you shut down people like these.

And, say what you will about Babar's captaincy, but he has been fairly successful in ODIs. Asking nonsensical questions like: "Do you regret wasting Sarfraz's four years?" from agenda-driven idiots who don't even remember that Sarfraz was dropped because he was averaging in the 20s for over a year; deserve these kind of arrogant responses.
 
Ok so let me address each 1 of the points you have made.

1) No expects Babar to be a Ben stokes type captain. However lets look at the the poor aspects of Babars captaincy in tests.

- Persisting with senior players like Fawad, Azhar, Shan etc.. Your batting line up is struggling to put up runs on the board yet you persist with carrying passengers in the side which is one reason why pretty much every test the team has been chasing a deficit on 1st inns.
- Team balance, so on dead wickets like Pindi he decides to pick just 4 bowlers, the one surface where you should be playing 5 bowlers. Then when wickets are more balances he decides to play 5 bowlers, bits and pieces players or just batsmen (which consist of walking wickets like Fawad / Azhar shan)
- Acting like a coward and ordering flat wickets because he has no faith in his team performing in tough conditions
- Litterally every game falling asleep in the field, poor use of bowlers, **** poor field placings
- With the bat the team is safety 1st, trying no to lose 1st before trying to win.

Pakistan is an average test side, but a decent captain would be getting a lot better results out of the resources he has. Both Babar and Saqi are the worst captain / coach pairing ive seen in history of the game.

As far as player selection goes, i called for Fawad / Azhar to be moved before the Sri lanka and Australia series and for Saud and kamran Ghulam to both be picked, we may still have lost but both players now will have been playing their 9th or 10th test and longterm we would be building a good batting line up to compete again. Personally i didnt want sarfaraz back in team, Rizwan was rightly dropped and id rather we had gone with a new keeper. Sarfaraz fair play to him got runs so has proven his recall right.

The next point highlights how little most people on PP have watched cricket in pakistan. I keep hearing how we should produce "Spin wickets" like India / SL or Bangladesh. Ive watched pakistan play since 1987 and the vast majority of test matches in pakistan have either been dominated with the bat or its been the fast bowlers have done the damage. On the odd occasion you may have seen a test match won By Mushy, Saqi or Kaneria. But pakistan wickets have always favoured pacers more. Even the series vs SL (home) and SA (Home) were dominated by pacers. So all this crying about we dont have loads of good domestic spinners, news flash we rarely have periods where we have had loads of good spinners, when we did we were playing tests in UAE, which are more spin friendly then pakistan.

So to Answer your question pakistan need to produce wickets like they did for SL and SA series for all domestic games so its an even battle between bat and ball. Out of 30 domestic games this season 9 were postive results and 21 draws. when you are playing domestically on highways and mediocre players like shan, Azhar etc.. are scoring runs for fun that tells you that wickets are not testing players.


Pakistans strength is in its pacers. so give those paces conditions like we saw in SL / SA series where grass was left on wicket or we go abbrasive surfaces which helped for reverse swing. will we get those wickets? No because Babar **** his pants at thought of having to work for his runs, all he cares about is his so called legacy.You think any other captain after being humilated for 3 test series in a row at home would be mouthing off to the press saying he doesnt need to be accountable to anyone?

Beautiful post. POTW for me
 
Ok so let me address each 1 of the points you have made.

1) No expects Babar to be a Ben stokes type captain. However lets look at the the poor aspects of Babars captaincy in tests.

- Persisting with senior players like Fawad, Azhar, Shan etc.. Your batting line up is struggling to put up runs on the board yet you persist with carrying passengers in the side which is one reason why pretty much every test the team has been chasing a deficit on 1st inns.
- Team balance, so on dead wickets like Pindi he decides to pick just 4 bowlers, the one surface where you should be playing 5 bowlers. Then when wickets are more balances he decides to play 5 bowlers, bits and pieces players or just batsmen (which consist of walking wickets like Fawad / Azhar shan)
- Acting like a coward and ordering flat wickets because he has no faith in his team performing in tough conditions
- Litterally every game falling asleep in the field, poor use of bowlers, **** poor field placings
- With the bat the team is safety 1st, trying no to lose 1st before trying to win.

Pakistan is an average test side, but a decent captain would be getting a lot better results out of the resources he has. Both Babar and Saqi are the worst captain / coach pairing ive seen in history of the game.

As far as player selection goes, i called for Fawad / Azhar to be moved before the Sri lanka and Australia series and for Saud and kamran Ghulam to both be picked, we may still have lost but both players now will have been playing their 9th or 10th test and longterm we would be building a good batting line up to compete again. Personally i didnt want sarfaraz back in team, Rizwan was rightly dropped and id rather we had gone with a new keeper. Sarfaraz fair play to him got runs so has proven his recall right.

The next point highlights how little most people on PP have watched cricket in pakistan. I keep hearing how we should produce "Spin wickets" like India / SL or Bangladesh. Ive watched pakistan play since 1987 and the vast majority of test matches in pakistan have either been dominated with the bat or its been the fast bowlers have done the damage. On the odd occasion you may have seen a test match won By Mushy, Saqi or Kaneria. But pakistan wickets have always favoured pacers more. Even the series vs SL (home) and SA (Home) were dominated by pacers. So all this crying about we dont have loads of good domestic spinners, news flash we rarely have periods where we have had loads of good spinners, when we did we were playing tests in UAE, which are more spin friendly then pakistan.

So to Answer your question pakistan need to produce wickets like they did for SL and SA series for all domestic games so its an even battle between bat and ball. Out of 30 domestic games this season 9 were postive results and 21 draws. when you are playing domestically on highways and mediocre players like shan, Azhar etc.. are scoring runs for fun that tells you that wickets are not testing players.


Pakistans strength is in its pacers. so give those paces conditions like we saw in SL / SA series where grass was left on wicket or we go abbrasive surfaces which helped for reverse swing. will we get those wickets? No because Babar **** his pants at thought of having to work for his runs, all he cares about is his so called legacy.You think any other captain after being humilated for 3 test series in a row at home would be mouthing off to the press saying he doesnt need to be accountable to anyone?

Brilliant post.

The sooner we change our captain the better it would be. We've already squandered the easiest route to WTC final due to Babar's captaincy and team/pitch choices.
 
Sports is valued from entertainment pov. People pay for their teams to play because they get entertained. That's how cricketers make money. Let's not pretend otherwise.

If cricketers start thinking that they are not playing for entertainment, then game will die in future with little financial gains.
 
1) Lets assume Babar got rid of the seniors, well you dont have to look too far to see what happens with the Sarfi situation and the media. You cant get rid of seniors without having the capital of results behind you and he didnt. I hated the decision to pick tripe like AA for years but my neck isnt on the line if it didnt work.
Our wickets these days are pretty much the same as they always were. Look at Dennis Lillee stats from the late 70s, or Curtley Ambrose, ONLY taking a wicket in PK in 1997. The only difference that we had the bowlers to take wickets in those conditions, we simply dont these days. This isnt a Babar problem this is structural problem in PK cricket and the best you could argue is that he didnt have sporting wickets but if he did and we lost, the same guys that are criticising today, would be decryimg the stupidity of playing on sporty wickets. I do agree that he should have had the courage to play on supporting wickets because he as a batsman, is more than capable and bowlers like Naseem would have been given a fair chance. But if you think we would had proper sporty wickets under any other captain, then you are deluded

KG is the flavour of the month and as the old saying goes, players are always better when outside the team than when they are in the team. For the little i have seen of him, he reminds me of an 8 that bats up the order. But i am being harsh and lots hope my 1st instinct was wrong on him.

PK wickets have never favoured the pacers unless we are in the North in the middle of winter or the grass has been left on like in Karachi in 2006, its the quality of pacers that have taken the wickets and as the Aussie pacers showed and also the England pacers, thats still the case.

As far as spinners are concerned, we have always had decent spinners and that has stopped with the decline of Yasir and other teams have improved. We cant win with these spinners because they are useless.

As i said earlier we need to get wickets to be Sporty but our fans have been seduced by the UAE results on slow turners. Either way, Babar wont last long if results are poor as recently but the problems are much deeper than Babar.

Pakistan have a long list of problems and yes not every single one is going to be fixed just like that, Also i never said at any point Babar was the sole problem. However his incompetent and negative captaincy is a huge contributor to to why pakistan has won just 1 out of the last 10 tests its played.

Look at england 12 months ago and they were a mess, have they fixed everything they wanted to? No they havent. But what ECB have done is they have employed the correct / suitable in important positions across the ECB, they have also set out a plan on how they are going to improve cricket domestically, how and when they are going to play 4 day cricket, what type of players they are going to pick and how they are going to play. Yes all of that takes times. What england did which could immediately change their fortunes was change coach and captain. They got rid of silverwood and Root was no longer captain.

Also when stokes was given / offered captaincy - did you see him crying to Rob key and saying sorry but i dont think i can take over these current players and get results etc.. he step up and took it upon himself to improve the teams fortunes himself with resources that he has.

What we saw from Babar was him going to Rameez after england series and making a load of excuses because of a few injuries the team couldnt compete. Negative and cowards mentality, You are playing at home so there would be no limit on players you could utilize for the series. You could see the even during the New zealand series after a dressing down from New chairmen / selectors etc... Babar was still playing in a negative manner.

His declaration in the 1st test made vs NZ made zero sense and was pretty much a Hansie Cronje type decision.

Then the 2nd test vs NZ the team decides to bat like snails in the 2nd session on day 5 "as the supposed plan was to have a go in final session when the req run rate had gone up which made it more difficult.

These are the bizarre and dumb decisions of the captain, this is the mindset the current team is in. An average team which is not getting best out of the team.Add to that you have a coach whose whole emphasis is to "say your prayers" and hope for the best. When your team shows no game plans etc again its not making most of the players.

that is something pakistan can change in their set up and immediately.

You say that our current spinners are useless and i agree with you, Yet Babar was instant on "spin wickets" for the england series. Again just shows how clueless the captain is when hes wanted to try and win games with spinners when we have no real quality spinners and on top of that they way he uses spinners, game plans, fielding setting is always very poor.

Then the was the fascination of continually selected Bits and pieces players series after series as again captain had zero idea about team balance. Everything Babar has done as captain from team selection, game plans, mindet, pitch requests has been detrimental to the team results.

Finally KG isnt flavour of the month, Pakistan had a shaheens tour to Sri lanka which pretty much was used to identify players who were on fringes of the team and could be future test players. That sqaud included Saud Shakeel, KG, Usman Salluddin, Agha Salman. In the case of the first 3 these are the players who should have been ear marked for spot longterm in paksitan middle order. All those players did well on the shaheens tour. Its not just about looking at domestic performances as our domestic cricket is weak, Shaheens tours are the ideal platform for grooming players for test cricket. So again i go back to the point where i said 12-15 months ago both Saud and KG should have been in pakistans sqaud. Instead Babar is happy persisting with trash like Fawad, Azhar and now shan. So we will end up with a situation where KG will probably get a test debut away to Australia, which will be plain dumb way of introducing a player into test sqaud. Pakistans team building under Babar has been shambolic to say the least.
 
Misbah-ul-Haq in an interview:

"It is visible, Babar is being forced to become weak which is not good. The kind of questions in press conferences being asked from Babar - Well, everyone is watching"

"If there is a decision to be made, everyone should sit together and make a decision. The players, the selection committee, and the board should sit down and take a decision comfortably. They should review the situation and If they think changes should be made, then they should do it. If you put pressure on someone for any other reason, the whole team will be disturbed. It should not happen"

"The performance in the home series against England and New Zealand is in front of everyone. The Test team is very difficult to make, but the management made changes to it. If you make four changes, it will completely change the batting and bowling. Test team development is not easy as Pakistan gets to play fewer Test matches. We are off track in the Test. Changes cannot get results"

"Pakistan team is undoubtedly a powerhouse in white ball cricket. Pakistan's bowlers and batters are top in white ball cricket"

"Appointing separate captains shakes up everything as it gives birth to competition between players. It creates a political environment"
 
Misbah-ul-Haq in an interview:

"It is visible, Babar is being forced to become weak which is not good. The kind of questions in press conferences being asked from Babar - Well, everyone is watching"

"If there is a decision to be made, everyone should sit together and make a decision. The players, the selection committee, and the board should sit down and take a decision comfortably. They should review the situation and If they think changes should be made, then they should do it. If you put pressure on someone for any other reason, the whole team will be disturbed. It should not happen"

"The performance in the home series against England and New Zealand is in front of everyone. The Test team is very difficult to make, but the management made changes to it. If you make four changes, it will completely change the batting and bowling. Test team development is not easy as Pakistan gets to play fewer Test matches. We are off track in the Test. Changes cannot get results"

"Pakistan team is undoubtedly a powerhouse in white ball cricket. Pakistan's bowlers and batters are top in white ball cricket"

"Appointing separate captains shakes up everything as it gives birth to competition between players. It creates a political environment"

Usual dull drivel from Misbah. Always wants to show caution with everything.
 
Some tough questions will be asked off Babar tonight as well. Let's see.
 
Some tough questions will be asked off Babar tonight as well. Let's see.

Match winning knock from babar today, NZ should be happy with babar contribution to their win.
 
That was one clueless and selfish innings today. He took not one chance before Usama fell. His partnership with everyone seemed like he was to keep one end and play for a draw.
When he finally took it, it worked out. He could have attacked sodhi when he came in to release pressure. Just wasn't himself today.

Left far too much to do for 1 person. To win today, we would have needed the perfect script like a 50 off 30 and 30 off 20 from someone.

What's worse is that he made absolutely no effort to rotate strike also. Just kept blocking and finding the fielders.
 
Very poor Innings should no intend to take the bowlers on or even get singles.
 
Problem is not with Babar, Problem is fans thinking that he is an elite batsman. He showed his limitations even on roads in home test series.

He is a good batsman with limitations and scores consistently.
 
Sending in Mohammad Nawaz when he should have come on himself in the presser.
 
With contribution from another match winner, Haris Sohail.

Haris was left with so much to do.. Culprits were BaRiz as they always do , take the game deep with tuk tuk and then leave for the rest of the team to score 80 in 5 overs
 
People need to cut down their expectations instead of demanding Babar to do what he is incapable of.

He is no Kohli - he does not have the talent & the mentality to single-handedly chase down targets.
 
Ramiz Raja:

"Similarly, Babar Azam is always under pressure to score runs every time. So, let this team relax. They have been outstanding in white-ball cricket.”
 
Ramiz Raja:

"Similarly, Babar Azam is always under pressure to score runs every time. So, let this team relax. They have been outstanding in white-ball cricket.”

Yeah, let them relax. They are at a cafe or a lounge

Not playing for their country I guess
 
You still need to deliver results not just enjoy it.
 
you are a captain of a national team. You are answerable to the public. If you can't meet the expectation of the public then you need to get off your high horse and go play in some privately owned team. We don't need coward leaders representing the nation.
 
Problem is not with Babar, Problem is fans thinking that he is an elite batsman. He showed his limitations even on roads in home test series.

He is a good batsman with limitations and scores consistently.

What limitations scored 550 plus @ 58 in 5 tests despite 2 run outs blame Babar the captain not the bat.
 
Sometimes I really think we don't deserve babar Azam.
Some of the heat he is getting is ridiculous.
His captaincy is ****- but he was in a no win situation yesterday - he needed to score a run a ball 135* which nobody was doing on that wicket yesterday- it required a team effort to score those runs yesterday on that pitch.
 
I'm sure his comment of don't have to answer anyone will be put to check by the current administration, most likely removing him as captain of all formats.

T20I they might bring in Shadab as captain
But looks like the push is for Shan just because MA said and his father is so and so.
 
Sometimes I really think we don't deserve babar Azam.
Some of the heat he is getting is ridiculous.
His captaincy is ****- but he was in a no win situation yesterday - he needed to score a run a ball 135* which nobody was doing on that wicket yesterday- it required a team effort to score those runs yesterday on that pitch.

Oh not again. Bro I’ve been on this forum a long time. Since the days of Inzy I’ve been hearing this dramabaazi about “we don’t deserve said player who is getting a lot of heat”

This is part of captaincy. You’ve got to be able to take it. And if you’re touted as the best at anything then you will get roasted if you play such a pathetic “going nowhere” innings. He made a very slow 79 yesterday. I would give him an easier time if he made 40 off 50 balls than the useless stat padding 79.

At least we could say he was trying to win the game.
 
What limitations scored 550 plus @ 58 in 5 tests despite 2 run outs blame Babar the captain not the bat.

Really great batsmen can't win tests if bowlers are not able to pick 20 wickets but they have forced draws many times even in opposition's den and frequently at home. Here Babar rarely forced draw due to his batting even on roads at home. That's the limitations and it's all right.

He is still a good batsman who will score consistently, just not in leagues where he will dominate to change results. Problem is not Babar, problem is expecting him to do what he is not capable of doing. He is very good batsman and very poor captain. He is not a great test batsman and problem comes due to expectations of him being a great test batsman.
 
He's probably not enjoying what's going on behind the scenes at the moment and the plans to undermine him as captain.

Interesting period coming up in Pakistan cricket.
 
He's probably not enjoying what's going on behind the scenes at the moment and the plans to undermine him as captain.

Interesting period coming up in Pakistan cricket.

with all due respect, it is his own doing and he is to be blamed for whatever happens behind the scene. He should have never become the captain knowing full well that he doesn't have the competency to lead. Just like many others before him, he is too stubborn to leave the undeserving power which he has been enjoying for too long.
 
People need to cut down their expectations instead of demanding Babar to do what he is incapable of.

He is no Kohli - he does not have the talent & the mentality to single-handedly chase down targets.

Every match, I expect Babar to play a Misbah aka Saud Shakeel, and another player to save Pakistan.

Should I cut down that expectation?
 
I don’t know why some people are making babar out to be some victim here. 2 home series losses and a draw (which in itself) was almost a loss, what does he expect?

Not only that, there doesn’t seem any hope either. It’s not as if we can all see something in him that with better personnel and some improvement he can turn it around in a few series.

He’s been listless captaining in the field and even when it comes to leading from the front he hasn’t scored nearly as heavy enough as you need to to keep your captaincy. I’m not talking about pretty 70s and 90s. Look at Graeme smith, he scored some double tons. Gooch had an unbelievable 1990 summer.

Poor leadership, poor body language, poor strategy. The bigger question is why shouldn’t he be grilled ?
 
Every match, I expect Babar to play a Misbah aka Saud Shakeel, and another player to save Pakistan.

Should I cut down that expectation?

I think so considering you want Faheem to open for Pakistan with wasim jnr batting at 5.
 
Really great batsmen can't win tests if bowlers are not able to pick 20 wickets but they have forced draws many times even in opposition's den and frequently at home. Here Babar rarely forced draw due to his batting even on roads at home. That's the limitations and it's all right.

He is still a good batsman who will score consistently, just not in leagues where he will dominate to change results. Problem is not Babar, problem is expecting him to do what he is not capable of doing. He is very good batsman and very poor captain. He is not a great test batsman and problem comes due to expectations of him being a great test batsman.

His test average is 57 in last 5 years highest after Smith and Marnus if thats not a definition of a great test batsman then i guess you have insane standards
 
I think so considering you want Faheem to open for Pakistan with wasim jnr batting at 5.

Faheem or Shaheen, bring any body. They will be a better opener than Rizwan or Babar.

I actually am in the favor of Azam Khan opening the batting lineup. Him along with Sharjeel or Fakhar.
 
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He's probably not enjoying what's going on behind the scenes at the moment and the plans to undermine him as captain.

Interesting period coming up in Pakistan cricket.

Come on Saj, got to give us more details on "what's going on behind the scenes" 😉
 
This is the reason why Pakistan is a minnow. Babar is getting paid from public money but he does not want to discuss his performance or the team's performance. Babar can never become a good player because has an inflated sense of righteousness and thinks he can do no wrong. He needs to be shown the door ASAP.
 
Oh not again. Bro I’ve been on this forum a long time. Since the days of Inzy I’ve been hearing this dramabaazi about “we don’t deserve said player who is getting a lot of heat”

This is part of captaincy. You’ve got to be able to take it. And if you’re touted as the best at anything then you will get roasted if you play such a pathetic “going nowhere” innings. He made a very slow 79 yesterday. I would give him an easier time if he made 40 off 50 balls than the useless stat padding 79.

At least we could say he was trying to win the game.

I'm happy to have a go at his captaincy.
His batting was ok the other day. Not great but not bad- he just kept losing partners just as the partnership got to the point where it needed to up the ante. That led to him slowing down again.
For that pitch it wasn't a disaster of an innings that was made out.
 
Pakistan’s post match press conference Rota schedule

I was eagerly awaiting Babar’s post match press conference yesterday. Just like everyone always waited for Kohli’s conference after a game/series. They are an event in itself, people love to hear the excuses or honesty of the captain head on.

Instead, I was dismayed at seeing Boring Fakhar Zaman address the press after the home series loss against NZ.

When you are made the captain of 220M fans (in Pakistan only), and you have been doing the job for 3 years unchecked..you owe the public an appearance, apology or some accountability as captain. If you can’t do it, step down from the leadership role.

Also, it’s very interesting to see that Mohammad Rizwan hasn’t delivered a press conference or a PCB interview for a couple of months (post world T20) now. Have the PCB gagged him too?

What’s going on here?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imad Wasim "As a captain honesty is the best thing, you have to take harsh decisions and put friendships aside" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvNZ?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvNZ</a> <a href="https://t.co/aEF5XJ011a">pic.twitter.com/aEF5XJ011a</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1614229938487296000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2023</a></blockquote>
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His test average is 57 in last 5 years highest after Smith and Marnus if thats not a definition of a great test batsman then i guess you have insane standards

Nah, most fans have similar standards. Greatness is not about career average. Greatness is ability to be standout in many series. Ability to score big in opposition's den. Ability to score big in touch pitches. Ability to force draws by scoring really big even if bowling is not good enough.
 
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