[VIDEO] Najam Sethi takes offence to a question on what's been achieved in the Asia Cup saga

[MenInG]

He is usually unfazed but seems he's feeling the heat on this issue.

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[gazza619]

No ice was broken.

Stop fooling the public Sethi

 

[Rana]

He is usually unfazed but seems he's feeling the heat on this issue.

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Perfect response

Easy to ask questions whilst not really having a clue what to do when India is involved in Pakistan’s matter

 

[Rajdeep]

One thing I admire about Pakistani journalists though, they dare to ask tough questions. If an Indian journalist asks such question to BCCI president or even Indian captain, he will be banned from future PCs. Just check out the questions that were being asked to Rohit Sharma after the WTC finals humiliation...all buttering ones.

 

[MenInG]

Perfect response

Easy to ask questions whilst not really having a clue what to do when India is involved in Pakistan’s matter

Yes great template for all pressers.

No need to answer, just say "what would you have done"

This is not what CEO/Chairmans do.

 

[Rana]

What would be a Pakistan win in this situation? To boycott the Asia Cup and Boycott the World Cup?

What’s that going to achieve?

 

[Rana]

Yes great template for all pressers.

No need to answer, just say "what would you have done"

This is not what CEO/Chairmans do.

But he did answer the question. He told him that there has been no multilateral tournament in Pakistan and this is a start

 

[Rana]

I’m so glad that the lunatic Ramiz Raja was not at the forefront of handling this. Well done Sethi and co.

100% beggars can’t be choosers. Better to accept the reality instead of living delusions of grandeur

 

[MenInG]

But he did answer the question. He told him that there has been no multilateral tournament in Pakistan and this is a start

Sethi was incensed from the start of the presser because no one 'praised' him for the 4 games he got for us in Pakistan.

The journo was simply asking him to tell us why he things this Hybrid Model is a good thing/achievement.

Regardless, some of our journos lack basic manners and should know where to stop. Clearly he had said what he wanted to, but the journalist wanted to make his comment.

 

[gazza619]

Perfect response

Easy to ask questions whilst not really having a clue what to do when India is involved in Pakistan’s matter

Forget India!

Pak vs Ban will be played in SL
Pak vs SL will be played in SL
Pak vs Afg will be played in SL

What are you smoking?

 

[Rana]

Forget India!

Pak vs Ban will be played in SL
Pak vs SL will be played in SL
Pak vs Afg will be played in SL

What are you smoking?

I’m smoking the pot of reality. Take what you want from this

India succumbed to your pressure of Pakistan not wanting to go to India and the Asia cup shifted to UAE. They have done the same but still given you peanuts to be happy about

Just enjoy the cricket. Take what you get

 

[Rana]

No matter how hard you cry

No matter how hard you try

Throw whatever threat you want,

India will not come to Pakistan. Just accept this and be over it. Boycott everything you can in your power to pressurise them, they don’t give two hoots and nor does anyone else. Accept this!

 

[Kroll]

Sethi was incensed from the start of the presser because no one 'praised' him for the 4 games he got for us in Pakistan.

The journo was simply asking him to tell us why he things this Hybrid Model is a good thing/achievement.

Regardless, some of our journos lack basic manners and should know where to stop. Clearly he had said what he wanted to, but the journalist wanted to make his comment.

That made me laugh.

 

[Savak]

Pakistani ex players, ex chairman's, sports journalists and fans just like to talk tough but when in the hot seat they too will realize that ultimately in world cricket you take orders and dictation from the BCCI just like you take dictation in international world affairs from the US, talk is cheap on the outside.

What Sethi has achieved in this saga will set the foundations and template to bring international tournaments, ICC events and multi lateral tournaments involving India to Pakistan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I'm not a fan of Sethi but he has done ok here.

India wanted the whole tournament moved from Pakistan, threatened to play it without Pakistan and even offered to pay the broadcasters directly from its own pockets to isolate Pakistan completely.

Pakistan can at least show the world that they are able to host a tournament and have only been thwarted by the bad nature of the Indian board.

I think Sethi is getting unnecessary flack. He went up against the BCCI and didn't capitulate completely.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

A few weeks ago some were crowing about how India would isolate Pakistan from ACC in the future, Pakistan would be isolated just like the players were in the IPL, Pakistan risks burning its bridges with other Asian boards etc etc.

And now they are crying when we negotiated part of the tournament and didn't fully give in to Indian threats.

Sethi can hold his head up high.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm not a fan of Sethi but he has done ok here.

India wanted the whole tournament moved from Pakistan, threatened to play it without Pakistan and even offered to pay the broadcasters directly from its own pockets to isolate Pakistan completely.

Pakistan can at least show the world that they are able to host a tournament and have only been thwarted by the bad nature of the Indian board.

I think Sethi is getting unnecessary flack. He went up against the BCCI and didn't capitulate completely.

Sethi is paying the price of his belligerent attitude. He threatened boycotts etc etc and at the end took 4 matches and shut up.

He would have gotten those 4 matches with a bit of negotiation and no belligerence.

 

[Savak]

I'm not a fan of Sethi but he has done ok here.

India wanted the whole tournament moved from Pakistan, threatened to play it without Pakistan and even offered to pay the broadcasters directly from its own pockets to isolate Pakistan completely.

Pakistan can at least show the world that they are able to host a tournament and have only been thwarted by the bad nature of the Indian board.

I think Sethi is getting unnecessary flack. He went up against the BCCI and didn't capitulate completely.

Ramiz in charge of PCB would have bottled the situation and handled it very incompetently and Pakistan would have ended up burning all their bridges with all the boards. You just have to know how Sethi handled the PSL issue and how Ramiz handled the PJL to understand the level of competence between the two individuals. Nothing is given on a platter in international affairs, it is an even more remarkable achievement that you are able to negotiate and get something from a stronger stubborn adversary when you have nothing to offer or bargain with in return.

Sethi has definately achieved the impossible here and people will only appreciate his effort, achievement in this scenario when future international tournaments, ICC events, multi lateral events are played in Pakistan which involve India and where the hybrid model will have to be adopted if India refuses to tour Pakistan.

 

[Savak]

Sethi is paying the price of his belligerent attitude. He threatened boycotts etc etc and at the end took 4 matches and shut up.

He would have gotten those 4 matches with a bit of negotiation and no belligerence.

Not really, the BCCI had threatened to take the entire tournament from Pakistan and not even give those 4 matches citing ACC budget issues. Sethi then had to come up with a plan where the entire tournament, logistics would be covered under the budget set by the ACC.

 

[light]

Would someone be kind enough to translate?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not really, the BCCI had threatened to take the entire tournament from Pakistan and not even give those 4 matches citing ACC budget issues. Sethi then had to come up with a plan where the entire tournament, logistics would be covered under the budget set by the ACC.

He could have come up with the plan without threatening BCCI and ACC. He now looks stupid with all those threats and getting 4 matches

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He could have come up with the plan without threatening BCCI and ACC. He now looks stupid with all those threats and getting 4 matches

Tbh he has exposed BCCI and their pettiness to the world.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

He could have come up with the plan without threatening BCCI and ACC. He now looks stupid with all those threats and getting 4 matches

Exactly, he started off with threatening to boycott the WC, or having our games played at a neutral venue if India didn’t come to Pakistan for the Asia Cup. Now he’s acting like he got what he wanted.

Had he not threatened the BCCI then he wouldn’t look like the buffoon that he is.

 

[Energy]

He could have come up with the plan without threatening BCCI and ACC. He now looks stupid with all those threats and getting 4 matches

Not really. The hybrid model was originally proposed by the PCB and rejected by the ACC.

The fact that the ACC have made a u-turn and accepted it insists that the PCB got their way. Financially as well. It's the ACC that look stupid after meeting behind the scenes during the IPL like gossip girls and putting a statement out later that SL is ready to host the full tournament. And then backtracking on all of that.

 

[Savak]

Exactly, he started off with threatening to boycott the WC, or having our games played at a neutral venue if India didn’t come to Pakistan for the Asia Cup. Now he’s acting like he got what he wanted.

Had he not threatened the BCCI then he wouldn’t look like the buffoon that he is.

It was Ramiz who threatened to boycott the Asia Cup and World Cup.

Sethi was more flexible from the beginning and only said the PCB will boycott the Asia Cup if Pakistan was not allowed to host a few Asia Cup games in Pakistan. He had proposed the hybrid model from the beginning

 

[YousafTheBeast]

It was Ramiz who threatened to boycott the Asia Cup and World Cup.

Sethi was more flexible from the beginning and only said the PCB will boycott the Asia Cup if Pakistan was not allowed to host a few Asia Cup games in Pakistan. He had proposed the hybrid model from the beginning

All I had to do was search “Sethi boycott World Cup” on google and found tons of articles mentioning the boycott of the WC.

Here’s a quote of Sethi from Sky Sports - “India should not be looking at a situation where we end up boycotting the Asia Cup and also the World Cup, and then India ends up boycotting the Champions Trophy [in Pakistan in 2025]. That will be a huge mess."

That my friend is a threat to the ICC and the ACC. PCB was in no position to take on BCCI in the first place, Sethi realised this a bit too late and now he’s made to look like a clown.

If you’re going to talk about boycotting events if India refuse to play in Pakistan and then call it a victory to host 4 out of 13 games in Pakistan then be prepared to get the abuse.

Had he stayed quiet and made no threats and we still got the 4 games then there wouldn’t be a problem.

 

[Savak]

All I had to do was search “Sethi boycott World Cup” on google and found tons of articles mentioning the boycott of the WC.

Here’s a quote of Sethi from Sky Sports - “India should not be looking at a situation where we end up boycotting the Asia Cup and also the World Cup, and then India ends up boycotting the Champions Trophy [in Pakistan in 2025]. That will be a huge mess."

That my friend is a threat to the ICC and the ACC. PCB was in no position to take on BCCI in the first place, Sethi realised this a bit too late and now he’s made to look like a clown.

If you’re going to talk about boycotting events if India refuse to play in Pakistan and then call it a victory to host 4 out of 13 games in Pakistan then be prepared to get the abuse.

Had he stayed quiet and made no threats and we still got the 4 games then there wouldn’t be a problem.

Lets not twist things, Jay Shah categorically stated in December 2022 that the entire Asia Cup was going to be moved out of Pakistan and that was final. It was Ramiz who threatened to boycott the entire Asia Cup and World Cup.

Sethi negotiated and then proposed a hybrid model where India's games would be played in the UAE whereas the rest of the Asia Cup would be played in Pakistan. The BCCI then put pressure on the ACC, rest of the Asian Countries that this proposal was not practical and would escalate the cost of the event beyond the ACC budget for the Asia Cup and it was not possible for all the Asian Countries to be travelling back and forth b/w UAE and Pakistan and therefore had rejected PCB's hybrid model and demanded that the entire Asia Cup be played in a neutral venue.

Sethi then compromised and requested that Pakistan be allowed to host a few games in Pakistan in one city and then everyone flies out to UAE for the remainder of the games and this way the PCB gets the opportunity to host a few Asia Cup games in Pakistan the logistics, traveling costs are minimized and well within the budget of the Asia Cup.

The Asian Cricket Council conceded that this revised hybrid proposal by Sethi was indeed reasonable and workable. However the BCCI still wanted to impose its writ, authority on the PCB and was still demanding that the entire Asia Cup be shifted from Pakistan to the neutral venue and it was only then Sethi played his final card i.e. if you do this and don't allow Pakistan to host a single Asia Cup game in Pakistan then we will boycott the Asia Cup and also the WC.

It was the BCCI who compromised from their initial stance and conceeded by allowing the PCB to host 4 Asia Cup games in Pakistan. I think this is a significant achievement given Jay Shah's initial position that not a single Asia Cup game will be played in Pakistan.

This will lay the foundations for future ICC events, international events and multi lateral tournaments in Pakistan featuring India and the implementation of the hybrid model.

 

[Kianig89]

Although this is the maximum PcB can achieve but means to achieve was not executed properly, PCB strained their relationship with SlC and BCB for this hybrid model and now are begging for a bilateral series with every cricket Board on planet

 

[Savak]

Pity people are being biased against Sethi just because he is a PML N guy. The man has done more for our Cricket in comparison to the over hyped duo of Ehsan Mani, Wasim Khan and then Ramiz Raja as PCB Chairman.

 

[Savak]

Although this is the maximum PcB can achieve but means to achieve was not executed properly, PCB strained their relationship with SlC and BCB for this hybrid model and now are begging for a bilateral series with every cricket Board on planet

Don't see how the relationship with SLC and BCB has been strained. The PCB has compromised and has allowed the majority of the Asia Cup to be played in Sri Lanka.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not really. The hybrid model was originally proposed by the PCB and rejected by the ACC.

The fact that the ACC have made a u-turn and accepted it insists that the PCB got their way. Financially as well. It's the ACC that look stupid after meeting behind the scenes during the IPL like gossip girls and putting a statement out later that SL is ready to host the full tournament. And then backtracking on all of that.

ACC made no statement accepting or rejecting any model. PCB kept making statements after statements. Then threats.

PCB wanted only the India matches at a neutral venue and venue to be UAE.

PCB got 4 matches and SL is the venue.

The host gets all the gate receipts, no matter where they host the event.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lets not twist things, Jay Shah categorically stated in December 2022 that the entire Asia Cup was going to be moved out of Pakistan and that was final. It was Ramiz who threatened to boycott the entire Asia Cup and World Cup.

Sethi negotiated and then proposed a hybrid model where India's games would be played in the UAE whereas the rest of the Asia Cup would be played in Pakistan. The BCCI then put pressure on the ACC, rest of the Asian Countries that this proposal was not practical and would escalate the cost of the event beyond the ACC budget for the Asia Cup and it was not possible for all the Asian Countries to be travelling back and forth b/w UAE and Pakistan and therefore had rejected PCB's hybrid model and demanded that the entire Asia Cup be played in a neutral venue.

Sethi then compromised and requested that Pakistan be allowed to host a few games in Pakistan in one city and then everyone flies out to UAE for the remainder of the games and this way the PCB gets the opportunity to host a few Asia Cup games in Pakistan the logistics, traveling costs are minimized and well within the budget of the Asia Cup.

The Asian Cricket Council conceded that this revised hybrid proposal by Sethi was indeed reasonable and workable. However the BCCI still wanted to impose its writ, authority on the PCB and was still demanding that the entire Asia Cup be shifted from Pakistan to the neutral venue and it was only then Sethi played his final card i.e. if you do this and don't allow Pakistan to host a single Asia Cup game in Pakistan then we will boycott the Asia Cup and also the WC.

It was the BCCI who compromised from their initial stance and conceeded by allowing the PCB to host 4 Asia Cup games in Pakistan. I think this is a significant achievement given Jay Shah's initial position that not a single Asia Cup game will be played in Pakistan.

This will lay the foundations for future ICC events, international events and multi lateral tournaments in Pakistan featuring India and the implementation of the hybrid model.

Show me any statement by Jay Shah that Pakistan should not hold a single match.

There is no foundation. Sethi was given a facesaver by BCCI so that he can atleast claim something. And now the likes of you are jumping up and down.

I seriously hope Pakistan refuses to come to India for the world cup.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't see how the relationship with SLC and BCB has been strained. The PCB has compromised and has allowed the majority of the Asia Cup to be played in Sri Lanka.

PCB took what it was given.

It was obvious that they had no support in the ACC.

 

[Salman]

Sethi did well here tbh by bringing in the broadcasters to the table, $45 million in revenue was at stake for bcci / icc if the asia cup fiasco filtered over and resulting in Pakistan boycotting the asia and world cup. That kind of money even the bcci could not justify it's stance to isolate the pcb for very long in reality. You saw how Sethi described the rest of the boards just sat there like voiceless poodles, I am proud we can still stand our own ground holding to some extent and not in the same category as the other boards sitting quietly because they were paid to do so.

 

[Savak]

Show me any statement by Jay Shah that Pakistan should not hold a single match.

There is no foundation. Sethi was given a facesaver by BCCI so that he can atleast claim something. And now the likes of you are jumping up and down.

I seriously hope Pakistan refuses to come to India for the world cup.

Check Jay Shah's statement in 2022

https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cric...utral-venue-says-jay-shah/article66026190.ece

By stating that the Asia Cup will be held in a neutral venue, it clearly meant that Pakistan will not get to host a single game in Pakistan. Here the PCB managed to get 4 games in Pakistan which is a significant achievement

 

[Savak]

Sethi did well here tbh by bringing in the broadcasters to the table, $45 million in revenue was at stake for bcci / icc if the asia cup fiasco filtered over and resulting in Pakistan boycotting the asia and world cup. That kind of money even the bcci could not justify it's stance to isolate the pcb for very long in reality. You saw how Sethi described the rest of the boards just sat there like voiceless poodles, I am proud we can still stand our own ground holding to some extent and not in the same category as the other boards sitting quietly because they were paid to do so.

Don't think the broadcasters was an issue for BCCI. Jay Shah told Sethi that BCCI will invite a major team to India for a 5 match ODI and 3 match T-20 series to compensate Star Sports. Sethi played a master stroke by providing a revised hybrid plan by restricting only 4-5 games in Pakistan in one week and the rest of the games outside Pakistan which ended up saving the broadcasters, travelling costs, logistics and ensured that the Asia Cup remained well within the budget of the ACC and therefore BCCI had no real justification or reason to refuse the Hybrid Model and therefore they in return linked their approval of the hybrid model in exchange for PCB's guarantee of touring India for the ODI WC.

 

[Savak]

Pakistan now got what they wanted i.e. being able to host some Asia Cup games in Pakistan. Now there is no need to refuse touring India for the ODI WC.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Show me any statement by Jay Shah that Pakistan should not hold a single match.

There is no foundation. Sethi was given a facesaver by BCCI so that he can atleast claim something. And now the likes of you are jumping up and down.

I seriously hope Pakistan refuses to come to India for the world cup.

Not just jay shah but im sure you were also saying the same thing

 

[MenInG]

Do not post irrelevant stuff

 

[rpant_gabba]

Sethi did well here tbh by bringing in the broadcasters to the table, $45 million in revenue was at stake for bcci / icc if the asia cup fiasco filtered over and resulting in Pakistan boycotting the asia and world cup. That kind of money even the bcci could not justify it's stance to isolate the pcb for very long in reality. You saw how Sethi described the rest of the boards just sat there like voiceless poodles, I am proud we can still stand our own ground holding to some extent and not in the same category as the other boards sitting quietly because they were paid to do so.

Those grapes were sour anyway...

 

[Kianig89]

Don't see how the relationship with SLC and BCB has been strained. The PCB has compromised and has allowed the majority of the Asia Cup to be played in Sri Lanka.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...and-Bangladesh-amp-South-Africa-for-ODI-tours

Earlier SLC was on board for a bilateral tour in monsoon season but with Asia Cup fiasco, PCB probably angered them

 

[DRsohail]

Sethi is paying the price of his belligerent attitude. He threatened boycotts etc etc and at the end took 4 matches and shut up.

He would have gotten those 4 matches with a bit of negotiation and no belligerence.

He has completely lost it, playing out game abroad is acheivement for somene here. Anyone would ahve done it. aand I am so glad BCCI showed him his realplace. well done BCCI.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sethi did well here tbh by bringing in the broadcasters to the table, $45 million in revenue was at stake for bcci / icc if the asia cup fiasco filtered over and resulting in Pakistan boycotting the asia and world cup. That kind of money even the bcci could not justify it's stance to isolate the pcb for very long in reality. You saw how Sethi described the rest of the boards just sat there like voiceless poodles, I am proud we can still stand our own ground holding to some extent and not in the same category as the other boards sitting quietly because they were paid to do so.

BCCI will make in excess of 500mn(After revenue sharing with franchisees)a year from IPL alone. So money isn't a factor for the BCCI.

They could arrange a home series and make that money. BCCI gets $9.2mn per match from its international matches tv rights deal.

Sethi made a lot of noise and then capitulated and will host 4 matches as a token.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not just jay shah but im sure you were also saying the same thing

Please show any statement by Jay Shah saying this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Check Jay Shah's statement in 2022

https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cric...utral-venue-says-jay-shah/article66026190.ece

By stating that the Asia Cup will be held in a neutral venue, it clearly meant that Pakistan will not get to host a single game in Pakistan. Here the PCB managed to get 4 games in Pakistan which is a significant achievement

Asia Cup is still being held at a neutral venue. The neutral venue also isn't as per PCB's choice. PCB wanted UAE, but its SL which will host the matches.

PCB wanted all matches except India matches in Pakistan. They got a token hosting rights of 4 matches.

What are you on about!

 

[uppercut]

Don't think the broadcasters was an issue for BCCI. Jay Shah told Sethi that BCCI will invite a major team to India for a 5 match ODI and 3 match T-20 series to compensate Star Sports. Sethi played a master stroke by providing a revised hybrid plan by restricting only 4-5 games in Pakistan in one week and the rest of the games outside Pakistan which ended up saving the broadcasters, travelling costs, logistics and ensured that the Asia Cup remained well within the budget of the ACC and therefore BCCI had no real justification or reason to refuse the Hybrid Model and therefore they in return linked their approval of the hybrid model in exchange for PCB's guarantee of touring India for the ODI WC.

From what angle does that deal sound like a real win for PCB ? The only angle that I can think off is that PCB prevented BCCI from hosting a multi-nation event inplace of Asia cup and that too at a cost of relocating all marquee india matches and some.

 

[NA]

Pakistan should have insisted on playing all their own games in Pakistan. I wouldn't mind Pak boycotting Asia Cup as well as World Cup (if their games aren't played outside India)

I have no interest in Asia Cup anymore after this farce, nor do I care about World Cup. I wish Pak can boycott, or the govt steps in and stops them from going to India. It'd be great.

 

[JattMaula]

One thing I admire about Pakistani journalists though, they dare to ask tough questions. If an Indian journalist asks such question to BCCI president or even Indian captain, he will be banned from future PCs. Just check out the questions that were being asked to Rohit Sharma after the WTC finals humiliation...all buttering ones.

Our national media houses have long been PR agencies in disguise. They get employed by various interest groups, mainly the political parties in power.

Hense BCCI treats sports journalist like inhouse PR employees.

 

[Savak]

Asia Cup is still being held at a neutral venue. The neutral venue also isn't as per PCB's choice. PCB wanted UAE, but its SL which will host the matches.

PCB wanted all matches except India matches in Pakistan. They got a token hosting rights of 4 matches.

What are you on about!

The token of 4-5 games were all the PCB were asking for. Sethi had revised his position when he was told that the ACC was not going to approve the hybrid model if it means the costs of travel, logistics exceeded the ACC budget. Even you were boasting that it is BCCI's final decision on whether the entire Asia Cup gets taken out of Pakistan or not and there is nothing the PCB can do about it.

PCB has agreed to play the Asia Cup in Sri Lanka after being assured they would be compensated for the loss in extra gate receipts expected if the event took place in UAE.

The overall solution and situation is not unfavorable to the PCB. The PCB has not lost anything. We are getting to host 4 games at home of a multi lateral tournament after 15 years, these 4 games will lay the foundations of future tournaments in Pakistan. The PSL in Pakistan started off with one game in 2017, 4 games in 2018, 8-10 games in 2019, a full season in 2020, 2022 and 2023.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The token of 4-5 games were all the PCB were asking for. Sethi had revised his position when he was told that the ACC was not going to approve the hybrid model if it means the costs of travel, logistics exceeded the ACC budget. Even you were boasting that it is BCCI's final decision on whether the entire Asia Cup gets taken out of Pakistan or not and there is nothing the PCB can do about it.

PCB has agreed to play the Asia Cup in Sri Lanka after being assured they would be compensated for the loss in extra gate receipts expected if the event took place in UAE.

The overall solution and situation is not unfavorable to the PCB. The PCB has not lost anything. We are getting to host 4 games at home of a multi lateral tournament after 15 years, these 4 games will lay the foundations of future tournaments in Pakistan. The PSL in Pakistan started off with one game in 2017, 4 games in 2018, 8-10 games in 2019, a full season in 2020, 2022 and 2023.

PCB adjusted its demand to what ACC(read BCCI) granted them. Why? Because every other board supported BCCI.

Please show me a Statement by ACC that they will compensate PCB for any loss in gate receipts.

You have lost 9 matches that you were to host.

Any tournament that requires India's participation may need alternate venues.PCB has laid the foundation of a model, where they will accept shifting of a tournament as long as they get a token 3-4 matches.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

PCB adjusted its demand to what ACC(read BCCI) granted them. Why? Because every other board supported BCCI.

Please show me a Statement by ACC that they will compensate PCB for any loss in gate receipts.

You have lost 9 matches that you were to host.

Any tournament that requires India's participation may need alternate venues.PCB has laid the foundation of a model, where they will accept shifting of a tournament as long as they get a token 3-4 matches.

If Pakistan had stuck to its guns, there was a high chance not just India but Bangladesh and SL would have refused to tour Pakistan for Asia Cup without India because of financial losses.

Pakistan took the pragmatic approach of hosting some matches.

Pakistan has set no such precedent.

In 2025 either India will NOT tour Pakistan for Champions Trophy and all other teams will or India will travel or Pakistan would not host it altogether.

You can bookmark this post if you want.

There wont be 4 token matches of ICC Champions Trophy in Pakistan as Asia Cup.

This is off course, if political situation doesnt get worse.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I think there is a lot in common between Sethi and a certain finance minister.

All fire and brimstone and then taking whatever is thrown to them with a whimper.

No one is disputing that Pakistan got thrown morsels at its own tournament. It is a shame in itself.

On top, to make a big hue and cry for weeks, then back down like suds followed by shameless proclamations of victory, in the process wasting all moral capital Pakistan has accumulated over the years including under Sethi, is what irks.


There is no justification of Sethi’s behavior in the last couple of months.

Except of course when he is thrown out of his job, he can proclaim injustice as the man who brought a multilateral Asia Cup to Pakistan, or well, 20% of it at any rate.

 

[Savak]

PCB adjusted its demand to what ACC(read BCCI) granted them. Why? Because every other board supported BCCI.

Please show me a Statement by ACC that they will compensate PCB for any loss in gate receipts.

You have lost 9 matches that you were to host.

Any tournament that requires India's participation may need alternate venues.PCB has laid the foundation of a model, where they will accept shifting of a tournament as long as they get a token 3-4 matches.

BCCI's initial position was not a single game in Pakistan, period, all Asia Cup games on neutral soil. Pakistan were initially going to lose all the games, they managed to get 4 games in Pakistan from an impossible situation. Jay Shah is the ACC President therefore it was his final call and he granted PCB 4 games in the end out of 13 and a final solution was found where the costs of the tournament were well within the budget of the ACC.

PCB is the host board and therefore will logically get all the profits, gate receipt of the tournament. ACC has not posted any statement to counter Sethi's statement that PCB will be compensated for the loss of gate receipts from UAE.

If the PCB is getting a good 4 games from Asia Cup hosted in Pakistan. In the Champions Trophy with proper planning and preparations, they should be able to get India to play its games in UAE and all of the other games in Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI's initial position was not a single game in Pakistan, period, all Asia Cup games on neutral soil. Pakistan were initially going to lose all the games, they managed to get 4 games in Pakistan from an impossible situation. Jay Shah is the ACC President therefore it was his final call and he granted PCB 4 games in the end out of 13 and a final solution was found where the costs of the tournament were well within the budget of the ACC.

PCB is the host board and therefore will logically get all the profits, gate receipt of the tournament. ACC has not posted any statement to counter Sethi's statement that PCB will be compensated for the loss of gate receipts from UAE.

If the PCB is getting a good 4 games from Asia Cup hosted in Pakistan. In the Champions Trophy with proper planning and preparations, they should be able to get India to play its games in UAE and all of the other games in Pakistan.

BCCI said it wants shifting of Asia Cup matches to a neutral venue.

First reaction by Rameez was threat to boycott.

Same with Sethi.

Then Sethi realised it isn't going to work. He talks about holding India matches at neutral venue and rest in Pakistan.

Next Sethi said Neutral matches has to be UAE.

Next 4 matches in Pakistan and rest in UAE.

Finally 4 matches in Pakistan and rest in Srilanka.

PCB had to keep changing its position until they accepted what ACC agreed to give them.

If all profits will go to PCB why will rest of the teams play? Revenue is shared among ACC members in certain proportion.

Gate receipts go to the host. But here SLC will have to be paid to host the games. So that has to be adjusted.

Sethi has made so many statements. How many times have ACC or BCCI or ICC responded? They know how much importance is to be given to PCB chairman.

What they will get in CT remains to be seen. ICC hasn't yet signed any agreement with PCB. BCCI hasnt yet signed the MPA.

 

[ahsan17]

BCCI said it wants shifting of Asia Cup matches to a neutral venue.

First reaction by Rameez was threat to boycott.

Same with Sethi.

Then Sethi realised it isn't going to work. He talks about holding India matches at neutral venue and rest in Pakistan.

Next Sethi said Neutral matches has to be UAE.

Next 4 matches in Pakistan and rest in UAE.

Finally 4 matches in Pakistan and rest in Srilanka.

PCB had to keep changing its position until they accepted what ACC agreed to give them.

If all profits will go to PCB why will rest of the teams play? Revenue is shared among ACC members in certain proportion.

Gate receipts go to the host. But here SLC will have to be paid to host the games. So that has to be adjusted.

Sethi has made so many statements. How many times have ACC or BCCI or ICC responded? They know how much importance is to be given to PCB chairman.

What they will get in CT remains to be seen. ICC hasn't yet signed any agreement with PCB. BCCI hasnt yet signed the MPA.

You keep talking out of both sides of your mouth. On other threads you were saying BCCI hasn't made any statements to move tournaments out of Pakistan. But here you are saying BCCI wanted to move Asia Cup out of Pakistan.

 

[rpant_gabba]

You keep talking out of both sides of your mouth. On other threads you were saying BCCI hasn't made any statements to move tournaments out of Pakistan. But here you are saying BCCI wanted to move Asia Cup out of Pakistan.

Bit of selective reading there. there was 1 statement from BCCI in 2022.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...kistan-for-asia-cup-2023-101666081419750.html

1) BCCI will not travel to Pakistan fro Asia cup. Came true

2) Asia cup will be held in a neutral venue.: Partially true. congratulations to PCB on hosting the 4 matches.

If there are other official statements from BCCi, not sources, not gossip, please share them.

compare that to the number of statements from PCB, to Indian youtubers of all people.

BCCI had the courage to make an official statement they will not go to Pakistan for Asia cup 1 year before the event and they had the integrity to follow through.

Will pakistan show the same courage and integrity about the World cup?

 

[ahsan17]

Bit of selective reading there. there was 1 statement from BCCI in 2022.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...kistan-for-asia-cup-2023-101666081419750.html

1) BCCI will not travel to Pakistan fro Asia cup. Came true

2) Asia cup will be held in a neutral venue.: Partially true. congratulations to PCB on hosting the 4 matches.

If there are other official statements from BCCi, not sources, not gossip, please share them.

compare that to the number of statements from PCB, to Indian youtubers of all people.

BCCI had the courage to make an official statement they will not go to Pakistan for Asia cup 1 year before the event and they had the integrity to follow through.

Will pakistan show the same courage and integrity about the World cup?

Your post is irrelevant to what I said. Read it again. I am specifically talking about what Joshila said.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bit of selective reading there. there was 1 statement from BCCI in 2022.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...kistan-for-asia-cup-2023-101666081419750.html

1) BCCI will not travel to Pakistan fro Asia cup. Came true

2) Asia cup will be held in a neutral venue.: Partially true. congratulations to PCB on hosting the 4 matches.

If there are other official statements from BCCi, not sources, not gossip, please share them.

compare that to the number of statements from PCB, to Indian youtubers of all people.

BCCI had the courage to make an official statement they will not go to Pakistan for Asia cup 1 year before the event and they had the integrity to follow through.

Will pakistan show the same courage and integrity about the World cup?

BCCI had the courage? According to some joshiley fans here, it is Indian government who has the power to decide that so how can BCCI give an official statement that too 1 year before the tournament lol? If they are using security as an issue to not tour Pakistan then how can they decide what the security be like 1 year before the event? What an own goal.

Security is an excuse because Aus, NZ and Eng all teams have toured Pakistan recently. Some of my fellow Indian fans just can't see Pakistani fans enjoy cricket at home.

 

[Rajdeep]

^^ @Bhaag Viru -

It is not about security but more of India not wanting to have any bilateral ties with Pakistan post Mumbai attacks. This has also nothing to do with present BJP govt only. Even if there is a govt change tomorrow, the stance against Pakistan will remain the same. Check out the latest video of Asaduddin Owaisi in New York where he is saying he might have differences with Modi but when it comes to Pakistan, India is correct to abolish all relationship after what they did in Mumbai. Few days ago Javed Akhtar said the same.Bottomline is, Indian govt or political parties don't want any bilateral relationship with Pakistan, including cricket.

Now BCCI being a private body, is only partially adhering to it by not playing any bilateral series as they can afford it due to IPL. But in ICC events, they are giving multinational tournament excuse to govt and still playing Pakistan as its a massive money puller for ICC. Infact, Indian broadcaster Star Sports pays multi million dollars for ICC/ACC events mostly for this clash. You take that game out and broadcasting right will go out from BCCIs hand. So they are somehow forced to play Pakistan, something they can afford to skip in bilaterals.

Pakistan can have all its cricket at home with other teams but Indian team won't travel. It has nothing to do with fans, BCCI, players etc. but simply bcoz GOI won't permit. India won't travel in 2025 CT either.

PCB however, have few options to take a stand:

1. Host these multinational tournaments in Pakistan without India. Yes it will take some financial hit without India but thats the hit they need to take. Also, a multinational tournament without India meaning, lead broadcaster will bail out. PCB also need to pay them and find a new broadcaster like PTV sports.

2. Refuse to play India in ICC/ACC events. It will force the boradcaster to put pressure on BCCI to do some negotiation with govt...i.e to restart bilaterals etc.

But I don't think PCB/Sethi is daring enough to take any of the above steps in the fear of repurcussions.

So unfortunately this status quo will continue.

 

[adi_62941]

^^ @Bhaag Viru -

It is not about security but more of India not wanting to have any bilateral ties with Pakistan post Mumbai attacks. This has also nothing to do with present BJP govt only. Even if there is a govt change tomorrow, the stance against Pakistan will remain the same. Check out the latest video of Asaduddin Owaisi in New York where he is saying he might have differences with Modi but when it comes to Pakistan, India is correct to abolish all relationship after what they did in Mumbai. Few days ago Javed Akhtar said the same.Bottomline is, Indian govt or political parties don't want any bilateral relationship with Pakistan, including cricket.

Now BCCI being a private body, is only partially adhering to it by not playing any bilateral series as they can afford it due to IPL. But in ICC events, they are giving multinational tournament excuse to govt and still playing Pakistan as its a massive money puller for ICC. Infact, Indian broadcaster Star Sports pays multi million dollars for ICC/ACC events mostly for this clash. You take that game out and broadcasting right will go out from BCCIs hand. So they are somehow forced to play Pakistan, something they can afford to skip in bilaterals.

Pakistan can have all its cricket at home with other teams but Indian team won't travel. It has nothing to do with fans, BCCI, players etc. but simply bcoz GOI won't permit. India won't travel in 2025 CT either.

PCB however, have few options to take a stand:

1. Host these multinational tournaments in Pakistan without India. Yes it will take some financial hit without India but thats the hit they need to take. Also, a multinational tournament without India meaning, lead broadcaster will bail out. PCB also need to pay them and find a new broadcaster like PTV sports.

2. Refuse to play India in ICC/ACC events. It will force the boradcaster to put pressure on BCCI to do some negotiation with govt...i.e to restart bilaterals etc.

But I don't think PCB/Sethi is daring enough to take any of the above steps in the fear of repurcussions.

So unfortunately this status quo will continue.

Good summary but be noted that there are general elections on both sides of the border in 2023/24 and will have new governments. In politics nothing is 'absolutely not' or 'absolutely yes'. Things can change with time in politics. No doubt Indian government has developed this policy of not giving even 1% benefit to Pakistan directly not only in sports but in all departments. And they acted on it very well and maintained their distance from Pakistan on bilateral relationship which is justified with what happened in mumbai attacks.

Pakistan has to play diplomatically and Sethi has done good job in securing atleast 4 matches in Pakistan for Asia cup. As good saying 'something is better than nothing'. It was extremely important for Pakistan cricket to have hosting a multi team tournament in Pakistan after a scare of almost one and a half decade. It will open ways for our cricket to revive back to normal and help them build their case for CT2025. I am quite optimistic that India will come to Pakistan for CT2025 as it is an ICC event and they dont want to miss it either. We just need to hit them where it is required. Sethi is a best person to head Pakistan cricket on international level.

 

[Snowflake]

A perfectly fair question to which Sethi had no response other that an irrelevant counter question.

The journalist rightly exposed Sethi by calling out which ice has melted when far bigger games have already taken place in Pakistan under the previous regime?. Simply stating that this is a bilateral tournament makes no sense as you are still playing against weaker teams and India is still sticking with its stance of not traveling.

The journalist put forward facts and sethi had no response to it. Sethi, as usual, was trying to fish for praise by manipulating the situation saying that “we need to bring back international cricket.”. International cricket was already well and truly back in Pak so there was no ice that needed melting - unless you want to make 4 low profile games look like a big achievement.

 

[Bewal Express]

A perfectly fair question to which Sethi had no response other that an irrelevant counter question.

The journalist rightly exposed Sethi by calling out which ice has melted when far bigger games have already taken place in Pakistan under the previous regime?. Simply stating that this is a bilateral tournament makes no sense as you are still playing against weaker teams and India is still sticking with its stance of not traveling.

The journalist put forward facts and sethi had no response to it. Sethi, as usual, was trying to fish for praise by manipulating the situation saying that “we need to bring back international cricket.”. International cricket was already well and truly back in Pak so there was no ice that needed melting - unless you want to make 4 low profile games look like a big achievement.

Bring International cricket? The Budha must have a fried brain after what AZ has done to him. Australia, Eng, SA and NZ came to PK under IK.

 

[Savak]

A perfectly fair question to which Sethi had no response other that an irrelevant counter question.

The journalist rightly exposed Sethi by calling out which ice has melted when far bigger games have already taken place in Pakistan under the previous regime?. Simply stating that this is a bilateral tournament makes no sense as you are still playing against weaker teams and India is still sticking with its stance of not traveling.

The journalist put forward facts and sethi had no response to it. Sethi, as usual, was trying to fish for praise by manipulating the situation saying that “we need to bring back international cricket.”. International cricket was already well and truly back in Pak so there was no ice that needed melting - unless you want to make 4 low profile games look like a big achievement.

Not sure what the journalist was expecting from Sethi. The Pakistani army chief, prime minister cannot convince the Indian government or BCCI to come to Pakistan then how can Sethi? The fact that Sethi managed to get 4 games in Pakistan when the BCCI was hell bent on taking the entire tournament away from Pakistan was a remarkable achievement. We don't have fair impartial journalists.

 

[adi_62941]

Not sure what the journalist was expecting from Sethi. The Pakistani army chief, prime minister cannot convince the Indian government or BCCI to come to Pakistan then how can Sethi? The fact that Sethi managed to get 4 games in Pakistan when the BCCI was hell bent on taking the entire tournament away from Pakistan was a remarkable achievement. We don't have fair impartial journalists.

First of all Pakistan government had started to put talk on table with India on several occassions after 2018, but India didnt even gave 1% attention to it because of their policy against terrorism.
They dont want to talk to your superking COAS who is a joke himself and they are right on their part. Only elected government should talk not selected or chosen ones

 

[uppercut]

Not sure what the journalist was expecting from Sethi. The Pakistani army chief, prime minister cannot convince the Indian government or BCCI to come to Pakistan then how can Sethi? The fact that Sethi managed to get 4 games in Pakistan when the BCCI was hell bent on taking the entire tournament away from Pakistan was a remarkable achievement. We don't have fair impartial journalists.

IMO PCB succumbed to the good old Used car salesman tactic (Need to talk to my Manager/The car you want was sold but we have another without AC etc) employed by BCCI. They agreed on a deal when ACC decided to grant PCB rights to host Asia cup 2023 back in 20xx and then at the last moment the tables were turned.

Iam actually disappointed that PCB did not resort to brinkmanship and boycott the WC to spite BCCI and ICC and forever kill all Cricket between the 2 nations as Iam personally tired of this nautanki.

 

[Savak]

Zaka on record has said that he wants the entire Asia Cup to be held in Pakistan even if it means India not coming. Playing in neutral territory is not an option. Let's see if there is a change in PCB stance now.

 

[Major]

Zaka on record has said that he wants the entire Asia Cup to be held in Pakistan even if it means India not coming. Playing in neutral territory is not an option. Let's see if there is a change in PCB stance now.

they make big statements from the outside, once inside, they will follow whats told to them

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Zaka on record has said that he wants the entire Asia Cup to be held in Pakistan even if it means India not coming. Playing in neutral territory is not an option. Let's see if there is a change in PCB stance now.

Zaka will claim that he would have achieved this but is bound by the deal that Sethi has made

 

[Snowflake]

Not sure what the journalist was expecting from Sethi. The Pakistani army chief, prime minister cannot convince the Indian government or BCCI to come to Pakistan then how can Sethi? The fact that Sethi managed to get 4 games in Pakistan when the BCCI was hell bent on taking the entire tournament away from Pakistan was a remarkable achievement. We don't have fair impartial journalists.

He was expecting Sethi to call a spade a spade and not make up lies to get some praise.

Pak was the host of Asia cup and even if India doesn’t come here, all other games at least should’ve been played here. Getting crumbles off the table is not an achievement. Saying this is a step to bring international cricket back is a lie.

Journalist was calling out Sethi for his misleading statement and he was backing it up with facts.

 

[Savak]

He was expecting Sethi to call a spade a spade and not make up lies to get some praise.

Pak was the host of Asia cup and even if India doesn’t come here, all other games at least should’ve been played here. Getting crumbles off the table is not an achievement. Saying this is a step to bring international cricket back is a lie.

Journalist was calling out Sethi for his misleading statement and he was backing it up with facts.

The ACC and BCCI told Sethi that the plan to have only India play its games in UAE and all the other teams play in Pakistan was not feasible and therefore the entire tournament was to be shifted from Pakistan. 4 games in Pakistan vs Zero games in Pakistan is a better solution.

The journalist can afford to bark on the outside given that he has zero responsibility for the financial well being of the PCB and Pakistan Cricket.