[VIDEO/PICTURES] 'Focus on your team' : Virat Kohli lays into South African broadcaster

[MenInG]

And why should he be banned? Did he question the umpires or the match referee?

Or is the Broadcaster protected by ICC rules?

Broadcaster did not just show up on the ground because he felt like it. They are hired by the ICC, this is ICC's setup. If he questions the neutrality of the broadcaster, he is questioning ICC's integrity as well. I would have thought that is obvious?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

lmao no it isn't.

I've seen similar deliveries not given before, people need to understand the stride (he's well outside the crease in this instance, maybe even close to the 2m limit for DRS) and bounce of a pitch make a massive difference.

The ball was hitting the knee-roll. For that angle there's no way the ball isn't hitting the stumps considering Elgar stride and the fact that Ashwin was bowling. It certainly shouldn't have been missing by that much.

India's reaction may have been absurd but that was out.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Seemed to be suggesting that the broadcasters were monitoring the Indian fielders and not the home side.

Yeah but he specifically suggested to focus on them when they "shine the ball", seemed like a dig at South Africa ball-tampering.

 

[HitWicket]

The ball was hitting the knee-roll. For that angle there's no way the ball isn't hitting the stumps considering Elgar stride and the fact that Ashwin was bowling. It certainly shouldn't have been missing by that much.

India's reaction may have been absurd but that was out.

Except the broadcasters showed a ball that went through to the keeper in Ashwins next over that pitched on almost the exact same length and went over the stumps.

 

[HitWicket]

And why should he be banned? Did he question the umpires or the match referee?

Or is the Broadcaster protected by ICC rules?

Suggesting the broadcaster is manipulating the technology to change the course of the game is quite clearly bringing the game into disrepute.

 

[Last Monetarist]

They may have escaped with their actions in the past, bcci and India have enough resources to impose costs on supersports. Standing upto a bully broadcaster like supersport is not being small minded or being brought up in a bubble. Its telling SS that their job is to shoot and broadcast in a fair manner.

These are unsubstantiated allegations for now, until there is valid proof of Supersport cheating or deliberate tampering with Hawkeye, kindly refrain from promoting such threats.

 

[zarak]

The ball was hitting the knee-roll. For that angle there's no way the ball isn't hitting the stumps considering Elgar stride and the fact that Ashwin was bowling. It certainly shouldn't have been missing by that much.

India's reaction may have been absurd but that was out.

Look at it from the side angle. When I saw it, I was like this could go over.

Cricket is not so important in SA that broadcasters are risking reputation and future contract's by cheating

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The bounce of the pitch - a significant factor in Dean Elgar's successful review.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SAvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SAvIND</a> <a href="https://t.co/GI2rXjgjwd">pic.twitter.com/GI2rXjgjwd</a></p>— SuperSport &#55356;&#57286; (@SuperSportTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/SuperSportTV/status/1481655175018209280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 13, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


South African broadcaster for the India vs South Africa Test series, SuperSport, courted extreme criticism from the Indian camp on Thursday after Dean Elgar's LBW was overturned following a DRS review. India skipper Virat Kohli, vice-captain KL Rahul as well as veteran spinner Ravichandran Ashwin alleged that the broadcaster tampered with the images shown on the screen in a bid to get Elgar's LBW dismissal overturned.

“You’ve got to find better ways to win, SuperSport," R Ashwin was heard as saying on the stump-mic. Rahul then said: "It's the whole country against 11 guys." Kohli also joined in and landed another jab at the broadcaster as he commented: "Focus on your team while they shine the ball. Not just the opposition. Trying to catch people all the time."

Even Maraes Erasmus, the line-umpire, was shocked to see the ball-tracking system suggesting that the ball would've gone over the stumps.

However, not long after the incident, the broadcaster for the hosts, SuperSport, shared a graphic on its official Twitter account, saying it was the bounce in the Cape Town pitch which was the 'significant factor' in Elgar's successful review.

Even India's bowling coach Paras Mhambrey was asked about the incident at the press conference after the day's play on Thursday. He said that everyone has seen the images, and now it's for the match referee to take a call.

“We saw it, you saw it. I will leave it to the match referee to have a look at it. I have nothing more to say, we have seen it all, we want to just move on with the game now. Every individual is trying his best, sometimes at the moments like this, people do say some things, and it is a game. It would be fair that we move on, let’s not take this further,” he said in the presser.

India Test skipper Virat Kohli went on to make some more critical comments towards the broadcaster following the DRS incident. Many believe that the 'overreaction' from the Indian team, as well as Kohli, could cost them a penalty.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...r-in-dean-elgars-successful-drs-review/849339

 

[MenInG]

Must be bad if GG turns on VK!

==

Former cricketer Gautam Gambhir slammed India's Test skipper Virat Kohli for his reaction to the controversial DRS decision during the ongoing third Test against South Africa at Cape Town on Thursday. The former Indian opening batter said that Kohli's reaction was "exaggerated" and "really immature". Indian players were visibly irked after a controversial Decision Review System (DRS) call helped South Africa skipper Dean Elgar get his LBW decision overturned in the ongoing fourth innings of the Cape Town Test.

The incident occurred in the 21st over of the innings which was bowled by Ashwin. The spinner bowled a flighted delivery which drifted in, beating Elgar on the inside edge and the ball struck him right in front of the stumps, and on-field umpire Marais Erasmus raised his finger.

However, Elgar reviewed the decision and replays showed that the ball was going over the stumps, and hence the decision was overturned.

The controversial call evoked different reactions from KL Rahul, skipper Virat Kohli, and spinner Ravichandran Ashwin. First, the mic caught Ashwin saying: "You should find better ways to win, SuperSport (South African broadcaster)."

Then Virat Kohli walked towards the stump mic and said: "Focus on your team as well and not just the opposition, trying to catch people all the time."

At last, KL Rahul said: "Whole country playing against XI guys."

After the end of the day's play, Gambhir in conversation with Star Sports said: "This is really bad. What Kohli did, going near the stump mic and reacting in that manner, that is really immature. This is not what you expect from an international captain, from an Indian captain. Then technology isn't in your hand. Then you have reacted in the same manner when there was a caught-behind appeal on the leg-side, neither did Dean Elgar react in that manner. During that Mayank Agarwal appeal, it looked out from the naked eye, but Elgar did not react in that manner," he said."

Gambhir added that he expects head coach Rahul Dravid to have a word with Kohli regarding his antics on Thursday.

"No matter what you say, stuff like he plays with his heart on his sleeve, this reaction was an exaggerated one and you can't be a role model in this manner. No budding cricketers would want to see this kind of a reaction, especially from the Indian captain.

"No matter the result in this Test match, this is not what you expect from a Test captain who has led the team for so long. I hope Rahul Dravid has a word with him, because the type of captain Dravid was, he would have never reacted in this manner," Gambhir said.

https://sports.ndtv.com/south-afric...ontroversy-2707456#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

 

[Sycamore]

I dont care one way or another if it was out or not out, but this graphic is wrong, the bounce of a ball from a bowler will not continue in a straight projection, gravity will curve the bounce.

And if you add that into the equation, guess where the ball ends up? Exactly just above the bails, what hawkeye predicted.

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[Zaz]

I think most people are missing the point completely
Whether the decision is right or wrong is besides the point

An intnl captain and players cant behave like this on the field bringing the game into disrepute with such abhorrent behaviour

Theres ways of registering your displeasure at the decision or technology and that certainly wasnt it

Millions are watching and going to copy such loutish behaviour Its atrocious whats gone on and should be condemned no ifs and buts

 

[MenInG]

I think most people are missing the point completely
Whether the decision is right or wrong is besides the point

An intnl captain and players cant behave like this on the field bringing the game into disrepute with such abhorrent behaviour

Theres ways of registering your displeasure at the decision or technology and that certainly wasnt it

Millions are watching and going to copy such loutish behaviour Its atrocious whats gone on and should be condemned no ifs and buts

That doesn't worry Kohli. His view seems to be "what u gonna do about it?"

Problem for me is more about the people supporting his behaviour.

 

[Titan24]

While it looked plumb to me when I first saw it and was surprised that Elgar reviewed it however, as the information started flowing in regarding how much front stride Elgar had, where the ball pitched then things appeared bit clearer.

Elgar being hit on pad below the knee roll can definitely not be looked at in the isolation and the factors mentioned above like length, bounce defining the trajectory will have to be considered.

As the height is the only debate, we do have a side angle. I was able to create a rough trajectory of the ball from the side (Obviously with regards to height only) and unless the ball was supposed to get double bounce I couldn't recreate any trajectory which will take the ball towards the stumps from that distance and around the possible length. The only way it could have hit the stumps after hitting Elgar where it hit on his big stride was if take the length further back but, that is surely not the case as it was around good/fuller length area.

Would love to hear views of people who confidently believe that this would have hit the stumps to show a rough trajectory.

.

 

[MenInG]

The third and final Test match of the India-South Africa Test series is set for a thrilling finish as the hosts need 111 runs on the final day to seal victory while India needs eight wickets to clinch a historic series win.

However, whatever the result is in Cape Town, the DRS call which saw an LBW decision against Dean Elgar overturned and India's subsequent rant on the stump-mic is set to be a major talking point from the game.

With the match and series slipping away from their hands, the dismissal of the South African captain could have turned the complexion of the game but the moment did not come for India and the frustration was evident.

Former Indian cricketer Aakash Chopra was unimpressed by the behavior of Indian players and lashed out at Virat Kohli & Co. for crossing the line.

Talking on his Youtube channel, Chopra said, "The stump mic caught some talk. There was something said about SuperSport, it was also said that the whole country is playing against XI and it was even asked to focus on your own players.

"We did cross the line because the kids who watch the match hold on to what they see and listen."

"You enjoy when you hear talk like that but I personally felt that the words that were spoken, I can totally understand that they were in the heat of the moment, but it crossed the line, in my opinion," added Chopra.

The ex-Indian opener further recalled the 2011 Cricket World Cup semi-final and a DRS decision which saw Sachin Tendulkar survive an LBW appeal against Saeed Ajmal.

"My issue is that it was the 2011 World Cup, Sachin Tendulkar was there with Gautam Gambhir, Ian Gould was the umpire and Saeed Ajmal had the ball in his hand.

"The umpire gave it out. Ball tracking showed the ball missing the stumps. We all felt Sachin Tendulkar was out. Did we make an issue out of that? If a Pakistani had come to the stump mic and asked entire India not to play against them," said Chopra.

However, the cricket-turned-commentator questioned the ball-tracking technology and expressed his surprise at the Elgar decision, and also remembered a call that went against Mayank Agarwal in the first Test.

"I didn't understand at all how that ball was going over the stumps. You remember the Mayank Agarwal dismissal, we said it must be going over the stumps but it didn't go but this one went," concluded Chopra.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...mp-mic-rant-on-dean-elgar-drs-decision/849363

 

[MenInG]

While it looked plumb to me when I first saw it and was surprised that Elgar reviewed it however, as the information started flowing in regarding how much front stride Elgar had, where the ball pitched then things appeared bit clearer.

Elgar being hit on pad below the knee roll can definitely not be looked at in the isolation and the factors mentioned above like length, bounce defining the trajectory will have to be considered.

As the height is the only debate, we do have a side angle. I was able to create a rough trajectory of the ball from the side (Obviously with regards to height only) and unless the ball was supposed to get double bounce I couldn't recreate any trajectory which will take the ball towards the stumps from that distance and around the possible length. The only way it could have hit the stumps after hitting Elgar where it hit on his big stride was if take the length further back but, that is surely not the case as it was around good/fuller length area.

Would love to hear views of people who confidently believe that this would have hit the stumps to show a rough trajectory.

View attachment 114169.

Please see SS explanation above.

 

[Titan24]

Please see SS explanation above.

Thanks, definitely makes sense. People just seem to be considering that it hit just below the knee roll while completely discounting other factors.

 

[Executioner]

I believe i posted a thread during 2019 CWC where I saw Hafeez surviving and LBW call where the spinner struck him on the pads but the hawkeye said the ball is sailing over the stumps. Same happened in the Afghanistan vs BD game where shakib was lucky to suvive against mujeeb with the ball sailing over.

I personally feel that there is slight tweaking required with hawkeye with regards to the trajectory against the spinner. It is alright with regards to the pacers IMO but i believe it needs to be better calibrated for the spinners especially in terms of the bounce.

Having said all that, the reaction from Kohli and a few of the other team members was despicable. I am sorry but a professional captain should have absolutely no grounds for making such a comment. This was absolute nonsense and should not be tolerated. I would have similar sentiments if it was someone from my own country and I have criticized them in the past for being whiny, especially Shakib Al Hasan's pathetic outburst against the local umpires in a domestic tournament. Shakib should have been given harsher ban but just like Kohli will, he got away with it because the Cricket Administrators are some of the most spineless people you will see.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sony are not host broadcaster for any ICC member at the moment, there is a clear degree of separation between the television production for countries (Australia, England, Pakistan, Sri Lanka) that it holds broadcasting rights in India.

They hold broadcasting rights. And in 4 countries.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Broadcaster did not just show up on the ground because he felt like it. They are hired by the ICC, this is ICC's setup. If he questions the neutrality of the broadcaster, he is questioning ICC's integrity as well. I would have thought that is obvious?

No. Broadcaster is hired by the host board and not ICC. Every board has a different broadcaster. ICC has no say in who is hired as broadcaster or producer by a board.

The Indian team is within its rights to question the conduct of a private body like the broadcaster supersports. They are not umpires or match refrees or players, that are covered by ICC laws.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Suggesting the broadcaster is manipulating the technology to change the course of the game is quite clearly bringing the game into disrepute.

Questioning a private entity like Supersports isnt bringing any disrepute to the game. ICC has no role here.

If SS feels aggrieved, they can sue the Indian team and BCCI.

 

[Executioner]

Hawkeye is in essence a mathematical model which assumes the trajectory of the ball based on many governing equations. When you develop a mathematical model, you aim to ensure that the observed results and simulated results are identical during calibration process. The main issue is, calibration is incredible difficult and there is always a significant mismatch in model calibration for some specific scenarios.

It is entire possible that the hawkeye is well calibrated to account for lateral movement for pace and spinners but when it comes to vertical movement vs spin, there is likely discrepancies between simulated and observed results, not too much but just enough to cause doubts.

Now here is my explanation as to why this might be the case. A mathematical model needs to be compromised in some aspect. The compromise needs to be such that the damage outweighs the benefits due to the compromise. My hypothesis is that the model is calibrated to better account for the trajectory of pace bowlers - where the vertical height is usually a much larger factor than when it comes to spinners. Perhaps making the model more accurate for the trajectory vs spin would make it less accurate vs Pace and that would certainly mean that the number of wrong impactful DRS decisions would have been made.

And before i end my explanation, I would like highlight something that is not strictly relevant to yesterday's incident. A mathematical model, hawk-eye for example, relies on a series of assumptions. Things such as

a) possible late swing which it cannot predict
b) assumes straight projection after contact
c) Assumes a certain degree of bounce when hits the batsman on the full

 

[cricketjoshila]

These are unsubstantiated allegations for now, until there is valid proof of Supersport cheating or deliberate tampering with Hawkeye, kindly refrain from promoting such threats.

Well Kohli has made his and teams opinion known. Wouldn't be surprised if BCCI is next to speak and ask for neutral people to monitor production and broadcasting.

 

[MenInG]

No. Broadcaster is hired by the host board and not ICC. Every board has a different broadcaster. ICC has no say in who is hired as broadcaster or producer by a board.

The Indian team is within its rights to question the conduct of a private body like the broadcaster supersports. They are not umpires or match refrees or players, that are covered by ICC laws.

Is there a way to question these things other than resorting to amateur theatrics?

My point on the Broadcaster is not about who exactly chose it, fact is that the ICC is approving this series and the technology used. Any allegations of tampering with technology are serious ones and ICC should take note and punish Kohli and Co for that as it brings the whole game into disrepute.

Why then should we accept any Hawkeye graphic on TV? who says its not been altered?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Must be bad if GG turns on VK!

==

Former cricketer Gautam Gambhir slammed India's Test skipper Virat Kohli for his reaction to the controversial DRS decision during the ongoing third Test against South Africa at Cape Town on Thursday. The former Indian opening batter said that Kohli's reaction was "exaggerated" and "really immature". Indian players were visibly irked after a controversial Decision Review System (DRS) call helped South Africa skipper Dean Elgar get his LBW decision overturned in the ongoing fourth innings of the Cape Town Test.

The incident occurred in the 21st over of the innings which was bowled by Ashwin. The spinner bowled a flighted delivery which drifted in, beating Elgar on the inside edge and the ball struck him right in front of the stumps, and on-field umpire Marais Erasmus raised his finger.

However, Elgar reviewed the decision and replays showed that the ball was going over the stumps, and hence the decision was overturned.

The controversial call evoked different reactions from KL Rahul, skipper Virat Kohli, and spinner Ravichandran Ashwin. First, the mic caught Ashwin saying: "You should find better ways to win, SuperSport (South African broadcaster)."

Then Virat Kohli walked towards the stump mic and said: "Focus on your team as well and not just the opposition, trying to catch people all the time."

At last, KL Rahul said: "Whole country playing against XI guys."

After the end of the day's play, Gambhir in conversation with Star Sports said: "This is really bad. What Kohli did, going near the stump mic and reacting in that manner, that is really immature. This is not what you expect from an international captain, from an Indian captain. Then technology isn't in your hand. Then you have reacted in the same manner when there was a caught-behind appeal on the leg-side, neither did Dean Elgar react in that manner. During that Mayank Agarwal appeal, it looked out from the naked eye, but Elgar did not react in that manner," he said."

Gambhir added that he expects head coach Rahul Dravid to have a word with Kohli regarding his antics on Thursday.

"No matter what you say, stuff like he plays with his heart on his sleeve, this reaction was an exaggerated one and you can't be a role model in this manner. No budding cricketers would want to see this kind of a reaction, especially from the Indian captain.

"No matter the result in this Test match, this is not what you expect from a Test captain who has led the team for so long. I hope Rahul Dravid has a word with him, because the type of captain Dravid was, he would have never reacted in this manner," Gambhir said.

https://sports.ndtv.com/south-afric...ontroversy-2707456#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

Its common knowledge that GG and VK dont get along.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is there a way to question these things other than resorting to amateur theatrics?

My point on the Broadcaster is not about who exactly chose it, fact is that the ICC is approving this series and the technology used. Any allegations of tampering with technology are serious ones and ICC should take note and punish Kohli and Co for that as it brings the whole game into disrepute.

Why then should we accept any Hawkeye graphic on TV? who says its not been altered?

ICC has approved both hawk eye and virtual eye.They have also approved the use of cameras, ultraedge etc But ICC doesn't run it. Kohli and the Indian team are within their rights to question the neutrality and fairness of those running these technologies.

Remember there are no neutral umpires in this game.

Other teams in the past has questioned the bias of supersports.

 

[MenInG]

ICC has approved both hawk eye and virtual eye.They have also approved the use of cameras, ultraedge etc But ICC doesn't run it. Kohli and the Indian team are within their rights to question the neutrality and fairness of those running these technologies.

Remember there are no neutral umpires in this game.

Other teams in the past has questioned the bias of supersports.

Do you understand that there is a time/place/way to do this?

 

[MenInG]

Its common knowledge that GG and VK dont get along.

Also Akash Chopra too.

 

[HitWicket]

Hawkeye is in essence a mathematical model which assumes the trajectory of the ball based on many governing equations. When you develop a mathematical model, you aim to ensure that the observed results and simulated results are identical during calibration process. The main issue is, calibration is incredible difficult and there is always a significant mismatch in model calibration for some specific scenarios.

It is entire possible that the hawkeye is well calibrated to account for lateral movement for pace and spinners but when it comes to vertical movement vs spin, there is likely discrepancies between simulated and observed results, not too much but just enough to cause doubts.

Now here is my explanation as to why this might be the case. A mathematical model needs to be compromised in some aspect. The compromise needs to be such that the damage outweighs the benefits due to the compromise. My hypothesis is that the model is calibrated to better account for the trajectory of pace bowlers - where the vertical height is usually a much larger factor than when it comes to spinners. Perhaps making the model more accurate for the trajectory vs spin would make it less accurate vs Pace and that would certainly mean that the number of wrong impactful DRS decisions would have been made.

And before i end my explanation, I would like highlight something that is not strictly relevant to yesterday's incident. A mathematical model, hawk-eye for example, relies on a series of assumptions. Things such as

a) possible late swing which it cannot predict
b) assumes straight projection after contact
c) Assumes a certain degree of bounce when hits the batsman on the full

Worth noting that in the case of point b the laws state that an umpire should assume the ball will continue straight after impact, it's not just a ball tracking thing.

In the case of point c the umpires judgement is meant to be used for the height of the ball rather than the ball tracking. It's just rarely needed because the batsman would generally have to be given LBW after being hit on the full very far down the wicket for it to potentially go over which is obviously quite unlikely.

 

[Executioner]

Worth noting that in the case of point b the laws state that an umpire should assume the ball will continue straight after impact, it's not just a ball tracking thing.

In the case of point c the umpires judgement is meant to be used for the height of the ball rather than the ball tracking. It's just rarely needed because the batsman would generally have to be given LBW after being hit on the full very far down the wicket for it to potentially go over which is obviously quite unlikely.

B) yes

C) Yes incredibly unlikely to bounce over but it needs to be assumed nonetheless. Only possible in very extreme circumstances

 

[Ryw]

Kagisa Rabada once had a chat with the poping crease and was fined
Let’s see how ICC Responds now

 

[James]

Kohli back chatting to the umpire this morning when the latest DRS remains not out. Bat likely hit the floor.

 

[HitWicket]

B) yes

C) Yes incredibly unlikely to bounce over but it needs to be assumed nonetheless. Only possible in very extreme circumstances

Yes but the regulations state that Hawkeye's assumption for height won't be used during a DRS review when it hits the batsman on the full (because Hawkeye don't accurately predict bounce when a ball hasn't pitched), the umpires judgement is used instead. Broadcasters are actually meant to show a top down view of Hawkeye in these cases to avoid biasing the umpires but don't seem to follow that for some reason

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Kohli back chatting to the umpire this morning when the latest DRS remains not out. Bat likely hit the floor.

Was it Erasmus? They seemed on friendly terms this morning while greeting each other. The Umpire was laughing after greeting Kohli.

 

[silentkiller187]

haha such childish antics, whats BCCI going to do now, take away ipl rights from SS? remove SA players
Kohli has had this victim mentality for way too long now and has got away with it numerous times, about time someone reprimands him for his behavior and "agression"

 

[silentkiller187]

Lets start turning on Pujara now, no hawkeye to blame

 

[MenInG]

VK:

Shami to van der Dussen, no run, appeal for caught behind and Kohli goes up for the review with one second left on the DRS timer. "Looks like it hit the ground" says telly ump. UltraEdge shows a spike before the ball went past the bat and the sound was off the bat's toe-end grazing the surface. No bat involved, he concludes and onfield umpire Marais Erasmus has been asked to stay with his verdict. Virat Kohli is not happy with the verdict or is it? He is having a chat with the umpire. "When you go after someone who is five years younger than you, asking if you had sledged Rishabh he says to RVD. It was a full and wide delivery, RVD looked to drive and the sound was off the bat touching the ground... There was a second spike when ball passed the bat and that created confusion and what led to Kohli checking with Erasmus

 

[U$ofA]

haha such childish antics, whats BCCI going to do now, take away ipl rights from SS? remove SA players
Kohli has had this victim mentality for way too long now and has got away with it numerous times, about time someone reprimands him for his behavior and "agression"

But who is the question? The ICC?

 

[silentkiller187]

But who is the question? The ICC?

if BCCI had any morals they would speak to their own player and captain because he represents the whole of india especially on tour ,but they wont , as Michael Vaughan just said during the ashes coverage , its petulance that's been going on way too long, bringing the game into disrepute, accusing home broadcasters of basically cheating, so ICC should have a word but they probably wont.

 

[Ashmal]

Well Kohli has made his and teams opinion known. Wouldn't be surprised if BCCI is next to speak and ask for neutral people to monitor production and broadcasting.

I don't think BCCI takes Kohli seriously these days...

 

[IMMY69]

So nothing will come of this.
Unfortunately we live in a time when the views of people like cricketjoshila takes precedence.

If it were a team opposing India, and they acted like this, then we all know the likes of cricketjoshila will change their tune.

How these actions are acceptable in todays world is inexplicable. The debate should not even be on the DRs decision, its not even about the Kohli and his teams reaction. Its about people here who make outright accusations of cheating and defend the indefensible.

 

[U$ofA]

if BCCI had any morals they would speak to their own player and captain because he represents the whole of india especially on tour ,but they wont , as Michael Vaughan just said during the ashes coverage , its petulance that's been going on way too long, bringing the game into disrepute, accusing home broadcasters of basically cheating, so ICC should have a word but they probably wont.

If you are counting on the ICC, you will be disappointed. The ICC has zero backbone to go along with rampant greed, selfishness and total lack of vision. They do not want to work for anything. Just take in the $$$$ coming in from India and live an easy life.

So ICC not going to happen. The BCCI will not do it. So who now?

 

[U$ofA]

So nothing will come of this.
Unfortunately we live in a time when the views of people like cricketjoshila takes precedence.

If it were a team opposing India, and they acted like this, then we all know the likes of cricketjoshila will change their tune.

How these actions are acceptable in todays world is inexplicable. The debate should not even be on the DRs decision, its not even about the Kohli and his teams reaction. Its about people here who make outright accusations of cheating and defend the indefensible.

Your ire should be directed at one place only. The ICC. They are the people in charge. They are the ones running things. They make the rules. So all fingers have to pointed at them.

So your view that nothing will come of this is you saying the ICC will not do anything. So the problem is the ICC.

 

[IMMY69]

Your ire should be directed at one place only. The ICC. They are the people in charge. They are the ones running things. They make the rules. So all fingers have to pointed at them.

So your view that nothing will come of this is you saying the ICC will not do anything. So the problem is the ICC.

No.
Because tt the end of the day its India thats calling all the shots. It's India that's making all the money for the ICC and if its people are willing defend such stupid behaviour then the ICC won't feel compelled to do anything to rock the boat.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I feel sorry for those who are defending this behaviour of Kohli blindly.

 

[U$ofA]

No.
Because tt the end of the day its India thats calling all the shots. It's India that's making all the money for the ICC and if its people are willing defend such stupid behaviour then the ICC won't feel compelled to do anything to rock the boat.

All the more reason that there are changes in the ICC. India is not going to change. They are getting what they want. Why would they change. It's just human nature.

Just because anonymous people say things on a forum should not affect the ICC. Heck no one saying anything should. What kind of an authority are these people. If these things affect them, they don't deserve to be in charge.

The change has to come from the other side. It has to start at the top with ICC. A system has to be put in place where the ICC is run in a firm and fair way. The greed, selfishness, heck probably even corrupt ways should be rid of.

I know it's easier said than done. But that is the only way any kind of change is going to happen.

 

[London_Lahori]

Supersport may have bitten far more than they can chew this time.

No one is afraid of them in bcci or India. But if India doesn't tour, CSA may be staring at bankruptcy.

Lol how stupid and blinded are you, Supersport has nothing to do with CSA, has no control over DRS and Cricket isn’t the only thing they broadcast. They’re huge, they have rights all over the entire continent.

Get back in your hole, all of these threats and your country will do nothing but tuck it’s tail between its legs and head back for home comforts.

 

[IMMY69]

All the more reason that there are changes in the ICC. India is not going to change. They are getting what they want. Why would they change. It's just human nature.

Just because anonymous people say things on a forum should not affect the ICC. Heck no one saying anything should. What kind of an authority are these people. If these things affect them, they don't deserve to be in charge.

The change has to come from the other side. It has to start at the top with ICC. A system has to be put in place where the ICC is run in a firm and fair way. The greed, selfishness, heck probably even corrupt ways should be rid of.

I know it's easier said than done. But that is the only way any kind of change is going to happen.

Which is why I said nothing is going to happen. I will be surprised if it does.
A small fine would mean nothing. I'm talking about at least a one game ban (e.g. Rabida).

 

[IMMY69]

I feel sorry for those who are defending this behaviour of Kohli blindly.

The problem is that they don't care.
It seems any behaviour is acceptable and justification will always be made for it, be it accusing a TV company of cheating or the ICC for being too weak.
Its never the players fault.

 

[U$ofA]

Which is why I said nothing is going to happen. I will be surprised if it does.
A small fine would mean nothing. I'm talking about at least a one game ban (e.g. Rabida).

I agree, fines mean very little. At least for the Indian players. Not when he makes $700,000 from a single, yes single Instagram post.

 

[IMMY69]

I agree, fines mean very little. At least for the Indian players. Not when he makes $700,000 from a single, yes single Instagram post.

Well you know what I'm going to say next then don't you?
It may hurt but the 1.2b Indians have made these guys in into heroes.

 

[Snowflake]

Hawkeye is independent and employs its own experts for each tour, with theoretically no direct influence from the host broadcaster. Sony owns Hawkeye, but is not a host broadcaster for any ICC member at present.

The issue is that the host broadcaster provides the feed and camera angles for Hawkeye to run its predictive simulations, the biggest risk is that the assessment of the point of impact on the pad is incorrect due to a faulty camera angle, leading to an incorrect simulation as the starting point is incorrect or pure guesswork (when the feed isn't reliable due to technical glitches).

Hawkeye's simulations aren't foolproof, but the usual threats from a few Indian supporters to boycott South African cricket or pull sponsorships from Supersport just betrays the mentality of small-minded individuals brought up in a bubble.

Ah! I see. Thank you!

While Hawkeye should ideally be completely manipulation-proof, it's hard to see that in this case the broadcaster had a meaningful impact on its trajectory. There was nothing dubious about the point of contact.

So, Ashwin was just being a typical crybaby Indian when he accused the broadcaster of cheating. Someone should really ask him how the broadcaster could have made any difference for the DRS decision.

 

[MenInG]

Former Pakistan spinner Saeed Ajmal has sided with Indian team and its captain Virat Kohli in the controversial DRS episode that unfolded on Day 3 of the Cape Town Test. South Africa captain Dean Elgar had a close shave after an LBW decision against him was overturned.

In the 21st over, spinner R Ashwin rapped Elgar on the pads with umpire Marais Erasmus raining his finger, but upon reviewing it, the hawk-eye showed that the ball would have missed the stumps and gone over the top, leading to an absolute uproar in the Indian camp. Ajmal feels Kohli and India were hard done by the decision and reckons it would have clipped the middle stump.

"I don't think it was going above the stumps. When I looked at the replay, it hit the middle of his pad and probably hit the middle stump. I don't believe it would have missed but the hawk-eye declared it not out. Virat Kohli gave a strong reaction to it. Virat’s face said that he felt cheated and I too felt it was out. Things like these have happened earlier with DRS too," Ajmal said on his YouTube channel.

With South Africa resuming their innings on 101/2, needing another 111 to win with eight wickets in hand, it seems as if India’s dream of winning a Test series in South Africa could go up in smoke. However, Ajmal feels the match isn’t yet out of India’s hands entirely and if they can grab two early wickets, the visitors might have one foot inside the door.

“India’s dream is to win a Test series in South Africa, and although it seems unlikely, they can do it if the team is able to pick up couple of wickets quickly and not give the South Africa batsmen a chance to go after them. It is possible because the ball is seaming, swinging and bouncing. So the fast bowlers do have a chance,” added Ajmal.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ave-hit-the-middle-stump-101642151495987.html

 

[Snowflake]

Former Pakistan spinner Saeed Ajmal has sided with Indian team and its captain Virat Kohli in the controversial DRS episode that unfolded on Day 3 of the Cape Town Test. South Africa captain Dean Elgar had a close shave after an LBW decision against him was overturned.

In the 21st over, spinner R Ashwin rapped Elgar on the pads with umpire Marais Erasmus raining his finger, but upon reviewing it, the hawk-eye showed that the ball would have missed the stumps and gone over the top, leading to an absolute uproar in the Indian camp. Ajmal feels Kohli and India were hard done by the decision and reckons it would have clipped the middle stump.

"I don't think it was going above the stumps. When I looked at the replay, it hit the middle of his pad and probably hit the middle stump. I don't believe it would have missed but the hawk-eye declared it not out. Virat Kohli gave a strong reaction to it. Virat’s face said that he felt cheated and I too felt it was out. Things like these have happened earlier with DRS too," Ajmal said on his YouTube channel.

With South Africa resuming their innings on 101/2, needing another 111 to win with eight wickets in hand, it seems as if India’s dream of winning a Test series in South Africa could go up in smoke. However, Ajmal feels the match isn’t yet out of India’s hands entirely and if they can grab two early wickets, the visitors might have one foot inside the door.

“India’s dream is to win a Test series in South Africa, and although it seems unlikely, they can do it if the team is able to pick up couple of wickets quickly and not give the South Africa batsmen a chance to go after them. It is possible because the ball is seaming, swinging and bouncing. So the fast bowlers do have a chance,” added Ajmal.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ave-hit-the-middle-stump-101642151495987.html

You don't always agree with Hawkeye...that's a fact. This is exactly what Ajmal is doing here.

Now, accusing the broadcaster of manipulation /cheating without any proof is a whole other thing...that is what Kohli/Ashwin have done.

Unless they present evidence of foul play, both these entitled idiots should be banned.

 

[MenInG]

Former England skipper Michael Vaughan has branded India's behavior following the DRS decision to overturn Dean Elgar's dismissal as a 'disgrace' and called for the International Cricket Council (ICC) to either fine or suspend Virat Kohli.

On the third day of play in the series decider between India and South Africa in Cape Town, India felt they had got the big wicket of South African skipper, Elgar, when Ravichandran Ashwin trapped him in front of the stumps and umpire Marais Erasmus raised his finger.

While looking at replays from the naked eye, it felt like the umpire had made the right decision but the ball-tracking technology had a surprise in store for everyone as it showed the ball to be missing the stumps.

Team India members did not take to the decision kindly and made their frustrations with the host broadcaster evident on the stump-mic with skipper Kohli saying, “Focus on your team as well and not just the opposition, trying to catch people all the time.”

Meanwhile, KL Rahul was heard saying, “Whole country playing against XI guys," while Ravichandran Ashwin did not hold back and said, "You should find better ways to win Supersport.”

However, Vaughan was not impressed with the reaction of the Indians and said, “I think that is disgraceful from the Indians personally,”

“Decisions go with you, they go against you, that didn’t go the way they think it should have gone. Virat Kohli is a legend of the game, but that’s not the way to act, that is not the way to act in a game of Test match cricket.

“The ICC have to stamp this down, they have to stamp down on the Indian side, you can’t get away with talking down the stump microphone like Ravi Ashwin has done and the Indian captain has done," added the ex-England skipper.

On being asked what action should the ICC take. he asserted, "He needs to be fined, he needs to be suspended."

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...lams-disgraceful-indians-over-drs-saga/849454

 

[Savak]

Apparently the ICC match referee has only unofficially privately warned the players and is leaving it at that.

That is ** of the highest order. All the players involved need to be heavily fined and banned for bringing the game into disrepute. The BCCI need to take action themselves and if not a rruhtless public campaign needs to be launched on all forums for action to be taken

 

[gazza619]

Apparently the ICC match referee has only unofficially privately warned the players and is leaving it at that.

That is ** of the highest order. All the players involved need to be heavily fined and banned for bringing the game into disrepute. The BCCI need to take action themselves and if not a rruhtless public campaign needs to be launched on all forums for action to be taken

What a loser this referee is.

 

[U$ofA]

Well you know what I'm going to say next then don't you?
It may hurt but the 1.2b Indians have made these guys in into heroes.

No question. We do that with our sports stars x1000.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Apparently the ICC match referee has only unofficially privately warned the players and is leaving it at that.

That is ** of the highest order. All the players involved need to be heavily fined and banned for bringing the game into disrepute. The BCCI need to take action themselves and if not a rruhtless public campaign needs to be launched on all forums for action to be taken

Which public will launch this campaign?

 

[Ahmed216]

Apparently the ICC match referee has only unofficially privately warned the players and is leaving it at that.

That is ** of the highest order. All the players involved need to be heavily fined and banned for bringing the game into disrepute. The BCCI need to take action themselves and if not a rruhtless public campaign needs to be launched on all forums for action to be taken

Incredible. The powerful are indeed above the law

 

[Sycamore]

Whether the ICC bans them or not, everyone knows what an embarrassing bunch this lot of Indian players are.

 

[U$ofA]

Apparently the ICC match referee has only unofficially privately warned the players and is leaving it at that.

That is ** of the highest order. All the players involved need to be heavily fined and banned for bringing the game into disrepute. The BCCI need to take action themselves and if not a rruhtless public campaign needs to be launched on all forums for action to be taken

If the ICC is not going to do anything, why would the BCCI? And do you really think a bunch of posts on a forum by anonymous posters going to sway anyone?

What a loser this referee is.

You sound surprised. Not sure why.

 

[MenInG]

India captain Virat Kohli on Friday defended his team’s verbal attack on the broadcasters after Dean Elgar‘s contentious DRS reprieve, saying that people on the outside don’t understand the trigger for such an outburst.

Kohli and his teammates lost their cool during the final 45 minutes on the third day of the third Test, which they lost by seven wickets to concede the series 2-1. They spoke into the stump mic to express their frustration after rival skipper Dean Elgar got a massive reprieve due to a contentious DRS decision.

“I have no comment to make on either. We understood what happened on the field and people on the outside don’t know exact details of what goes on on the field,” he said in the post-match press conference here on Friday. For me to try and justify what we did on the field and say we got carried away is all…,” he didn’t finish the sentence.

“If we had gotten charged up and picked up three wickets there, that would have been probably the moment that changed the game,” he added.

The incident happened in the 21st over when Ravichandran Ashwin flighted a delivery which dipped and then straightened to beat a lunging Elgar’s bat.

Umpire Marais Erasmus straightaway lifted his finger but Elgar appealed for DRS.

Once he saw on the big screen that he was beaten, he started trudging back only to find that the ball was going over the stumps. While it looked plumb, the reversal of decision saw Kohli kicking the ground in disgust as all kinds of chatter started.

The trajectory of the ball post impact on pads is adjudged through the Hawkeye technology which is independent of the match footage provided to the third umpire by the host broadcaster. Hawkeye is accredited by the ICC.

Kohli, who has now played 99 Tests, stressed that he did not want to make a controversy out of the moment and his team had moved on from it.

“The reality of the situation is that we did not apply enough pressure on them for longer periods of time throughout the course of this Test match and hence we lost the game,” he said.

“That one moment seems very nice and very exciting to make a controversy out of, which honestly, I am not interested in making…It was just (a) moment that passed and we moved on from it. And we just kept focussing on the game and tried to pick up wickets,” Kohli asserted.

Ashwin and white-ball skipper KL Rahul also made sarcastic comments against host broadcaster SuperSport on the DRS saga which were picked up by the stump mic.

https://www.currentnewstv.com/peopl...ohli-rejects-criticism-of-teams-drs-outburst/

 

[adzzy786]

Reminds me of when Sachin Tendulkar was given not out on DRS to Saeed Ajmal even though he was plumb. DRS took ages to load, hurts when it’s the other way around?

 

[nam]

A tough stand against behavior like this from an international captain is a must. But money rules the game. So suck it up guys and move on.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

sore loser...

should be banned for atleast 3 tests ,..... many things like this has happened in the past .... and people have handeled it much better than him

nothing would happen though... ICC is scared of BCCI ( obvious reasons) .... everyone else has to suck it up ...

 

[Major]

ICC has approved both hawk eye and virtual eye.They have also approved the use of cameras, ultraedge etc But ICC doesn't run it. Kohli and the Indian team are within their rights to question the neutrality and fairness of those running these technologies.

Remember there are no neutral umpires in this game.

Other teams in the past has questioned the bias of supersports.

Where was this argument when ajmal got tendu out? Your post is still in that thread where you said we were divulging in conspiracy theories.

If you have any creadibility first talk about that 2011 decision before even going on about this decision.

To claim that 2011 was fair and pakistan fans believe in conspiracy after which 10 years later the same person claims that there is a conspiracy of the super sports being involved that their needs to be neutral broadcaster...

Now suddenly supersports has become bias.damn the conspiracy theories are hilarious...

 

[James]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A tough one to take. Thank you to all the fans for your support <a href="https://t.co/24wyhnhdyW">pic.twitter.com/24wyhnhdyW</a></p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1482004670084415489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Savak]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A tough one to take. Thank you to all the fans for your support &#55356;&#56814;&#55356;&#56819;&#55357;&#56911;&#55356;&#57339; <a href="https://t.co/24wyhnhdyW">pic.twitter.com/24wyhnhdyW</a></p>— Virat Kohli (@imVkohli) <a href="https://twitter.com/imVkohli/status/1482004670084415489?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Time for Kohli to cry like the little teenager that he is at heart and in mind.

 

[Rajdeep]

That was clearly out and a case of DRS tampering by Supersports. As an Indian fan, I totally understand the frustration of Kohli and stand with him. ICC is free to ban or fine him if they want.

 

[silentkiller187]

That was clearly out and a case of DRS tampering by Supersports. As an Indian fan, I totally understand the frustration of Kohli and stand with him. ICC is free to ban or fine him if they want.

conspiracy theories do funny things to the mind...

 

[Dios]

Pathetic behaviour from the Indians.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where was this argument when ajmal got tendu out? Your post is still in that thread where you said we were divulging in conspiracy theories.

If you have any creadibility first talk about that 2011 decision before even going on about this decision.

To claim that 2011 was fair and pakistan fans believe in conspiracy after which 10 years later the same person claims that there is a conspiracy of the super sports being involved that their needs to be neutral broadcaster...

Now suddenly supersports has become bias.damn the conspiracy theories are hilarious...

It was a ICC tournament. The broadcaster was appointed by ICC and not any board.

There were 3 neutral umpires and a neutral match referee.

If it was a india home series, with Bcci appointed broadcaster with a history of bias and no neutral match officials, may be you could compare.

 

[MenInG]

India captain Virat Kohli on Friday defended his team’s verbal attack on the broadcasters after Dean Elgar‘s contentious DRS reprieve, saying that people on the outside don’t understand the trigger for such an outburst.

Kohli and his teammates lost their cool during the final 45 minutes on the third day of the third Test, which they lost by seven wickets to concede the series 2-1. They spoke into the stump mic to express their frustration after rival skipper Dean Elgar got a massive reprieve due to a contentious DRS decision.

“I have no comment to make on either. We understood what happened on the field and people on the outside don’t know exact details of what goes on on the field,” he said in the post-match press conference here on Friday. For me to try and justify what we did on the field and say we got carried away is all…,” he didn’t finish the sentence.

“If we had gotten charged up and picked up three wickets there, that would have been probably the moment that changed the game,” he added.

The incident happened in the 21st over when Ravichandran Ashwin flighted a delivery which dipped and then straightened to beat a lunging Elgar’s bat.

Umpire Marais Erasmus straightaway lifted his finger but Elgar appealed for DRS.

Once he saw on the big screen that he was beaten, he started trudging back only to find that the ball was going over the stumps. While it looked plumb, the reversal of decision saw Kohli kicking the ground in disgust as all kinds of chatter started.

The trajectory of the ball post impact on pads is adjudged through the Hawkeye technology which is independent of the match footage provided to the third umpire by the host broadcaster. Hawkeye is accredited by the ICC.

Kohli, who has now played 99 Tests, stressed that he did not want to make a controversy out of the moment and his team had moved on from it.

“The reality of the situation is that we did not apply enough pressure on them for longer periods of time throughout the course of this Test match and hence we lost the game,” he said.

“That one moment seems very nice and very exciting to make a controversy out of, which honestly, I am not interested in making…It was just (a) moment that passed and we moved on from it. And we just kept focussing on the game and tried to pick up wickets,” Kohli asserted.

Ashwin and white-ball skipper KL Rahul also made sarcastic comments against host broadcaster SuperSport on the DRS saga which were picked up by the stump mic.

https://www.currentnewstv.com/peopl...ohli-rejects-criticism-of-teams-drs-outburst/

For reference - video of his presser:

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[cricketjoshila]

Time for Kohli to cry like the little teenager that he is at heart and in mind.

Well if as a teenager he avgs 50 across 3 formats, i will take that teenager over mature players.

 

[Technics 1210]

Lets face it. All that bravado, Kohli is faliable. A simple decision got under his skin. This is how weak he is mentally. No wonder he has never won an IPL, WT20, or World Cup - push the right buttons and the guy will implode. Exposed if anything.

Plus the accent is cringe-worthy.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

That was clearly out and a case of DRS tampering by Supersports. As an Indian fan, I totally understand the frustration of Kohli and stand with him. ICC is free to ban or fine him if they want.

DRS tampering isn’t possible, I’m sure that’s what every Indian was saying after the #MohaliGate.

#Conspiracytheorist

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Well if as a teenager he avgs 50 across 3 formats, i will take that teenager over mature players.

What’s his average in the last 2 years.

 

[Saj]

Sometimes teams can get a bit too hyped up and that can have a negative impact on the performance.

That's why it's important for the skipper to control his emotions and ensure his team remains focussed on the task in hand.

In this example, Kohli lost the plot and that had an impact on his team's performance.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What’s his average in the last 2 years.

Are players judged over their careers or over 2 years?

 

[MenInG]

Host broadcaster SuperSport meanwhile said it had no control over the Decision Review System (DRS) used in the series.

"SuperSport notes comments made by certain members of the Indian cricket team," it told AFP.

"Hawk-Eye is an independent service provider, approved by the ICC and their technology has been accepted for many years as an integral part of DRS.

"SuperSport does not have any control over the Hawk-Eye technology."

There has been no indication yet from match referee Andy Pycroft and the International Cricket Council whether any disciplinary action will be taken against Kohli, Rahul and Ashwin for their role in the incident.

https://sports.ndtv.com/south-afric...rsy-vs-south-africa-in-cape-town-test-2708715