[VIDEO/PICTURES] Matthew Hayden as Pakistan batting consultant - performance watch

[MenInG]

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[Barragan]

Doesn't look too interested.

Probably wants his pay and move on.

On the other hand, Philander seems far more involved and wants to actually help the team.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Why don't we have dedicated coaches on long term contracts?

 

[MenInG]

Doesn't look too interested.

Probably wants his pay and move on.

On the other hand, Philander seems far more involved and wants to actually help the team.

Think a little unfair to judge like that.

He is probably conscious of the camera.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Why don't we have dedicated coaches on long term contracts?

I think we couldn't get anyone long term in time. Misbah and Waqar were long term who had been with the team for 2 years. I thought as well that any changes in the team management would be made after the WC.

 

[Bewal Express]

Will make little difference.

 

[Saurav]

why is batting coach working with Shaheen and Hasan

 

[UP]

Players most likely wouldn’t understand a word of his. Aussie accent will be hard for our guys to understand.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Lol @ at the experts calling him disinterested based off a 5 second video. )

 

[Savak]

He is not going to waste his time doing any technical coaching in such a short stint. Ramiz clearly specified that he was being bought in to bring a change in mindset but based on the video he is just having a party and killing time.

 

[Amjid Javed]

A lot of flat footed wafting in the nets. Good look in hayden correcting that.

 

[iniqbal223]

He look disinterested for not getting any response from any of our players
Main thing is they cant communicate anything in English nor they are trying to have a translator in between to make life easier for everyone; our players are just looking at him and trying their best to mumble few words

In one sentence : Our players are really very lazy; they almost look unfit as an athlete, cant communicate even a single sentence in global language, nor even trying to understand what Hayden is saying by involving a translator

 

[Saj]

One thing is for sure - there won't be much backchat towards Hayden

 

[iniqbal223]

Why don't we have dedicated coaches on long term contracts?

We have an ex players mafia ; that will make life difficult for any foreign coach even making 10% progress

 

[ElRaja]

hes a batting consultant more than a coach, he aint gonna change their techniques, his job will be to suggest batting strategies in specific scenarios, and against certain bowlers, bowling styles.

trying to change anyone's technique at this stage would be counter productive.

 

[cricketInsight]

hes a batting consultant more than a coach, he aint gonna change their techniques, his job will be to suggest batting strategies in specific scenarios, and against certain bowlers, bowling styles.

trying to change anyone's technique at this stage would be counter productive.

Yes, they are really consultants. Anyone who is interested in getting feedback can go to them.
They cannot really have an influence on strategy because of the short-term contract. They won't have much say in matters or challenge any decisions.

For what it's worth, Baber has a free hand, and his leadership skills related to selection & strategy will become apparent. We know he is a poor communicator but this tournament is a chance for his leadership skills to speak for themself on the ground.

 

[Usman]

He’s doing what I would do - stand there and clap shouting “shot”

There’s a chance he may add value if he’s analysing dismissals etc after games. He may well bring that aggressive mindset to the changing room when the tournament really gets going.

 

[Golden arm]

Doesn't look too interested.

Probably wants his pay and move on.

On the other hand, Philander seems far more involved and wants to actually help the team.

Exactly more looks like a cheerleader
Philander looks much more interested

 

[Golden arm]

He look disinterested for not getting any response from any of our players
Main thing is they cant communicate anything in English nor they are trying to have a translator in between to make life easier for everyone; our players are just looking at him and trying their best to mumble few words

In one sentence : Our players are really very lazy; they almost look unfit as an athlete, cant communicate even a single sentence in global language, nor even trying to understand what Hayden is saying by involving a translator

Mate Australian accent is not easy to pick for some one who lived in UK for most of his life. I won't blame our players. Hayden should be professional and try to keep saqlain or even Malik as intermediary. Malik should have been mentor as well like Dhoni.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

He’s doing what I would do - stand there and clap shouting “shot”

There’s a chance he may add value if he’s analysing dismissals etc after games. He may well bring that aggressive mindset to the changing room when the tournament really gets going.

He's paid to be a consultant and not a coach. He can give pointers to someone but nothing else, he's been watching the IPL a lot closely so will have an idea of the wickets as well.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

I'm absolutely fed up of us paying silly money to these foreign people who dont give a damn about Pakistan cricket.

We should only appoint Pakistanis. After this world cup finishes, we should look be looking at the likes of Aaqib, Mohammed Akram, Ijaz Ahmed and Waqar Younis

 

[Rana]

why is batting coach working with Shaheen and Hasan

These two are more likely to bat freely without worrying about their wicket in comparison to Babar and Rizwan, so why not?

 

[Bewal Express]

Players improve if they desire and work hard. If they need help with certain shots then it should be available, so if you wanted to learn to slog sweep you ask someone like YK or even Safaraz. These expensive coaches make no difference and are a waste of money. Money that could be better spent on improving the conditions of domestic players.

 

[Bewal Express]

These two are more likely to bat freely without worrying about their wicket in comparison to Babar and Rizwan, so why not?

You have spotted the problem in our team. Its the guys that score the runs that are the problem

 

[Rana]

How are you supposed to get the best out of this guy when you have Babar and Rizwan as your openers?

Ramiz hired him because he wanted to install a ‘fearless champion Aussie’ attitude. But the guys doing most of the batting for us are more concerned about preserving their wickets and records.

 

[Rana]

You have spotted the problem in our team. Its the guys that score the runs that are the problem

If you want guaranteed runs, pick Imam ul Haq also.

 

[Bewal Express]

I'm absolutely fed up of us paying silly money to these foreign people who dont give a damn about Pakistan cricket.

We should only appoint Pakistanis. After this world cup finishes, we should look be looking at the likes of Aaqib, Mohammed Akram, Ijaz Ahmed and Waqar Younis

PK coaches are toxic and spend most of their time either rewarding old friends or settling scores. In the end you realise that no one can make a difference except the players putting in the hard yards

 

[Bewal Express]

If you want guaranteed runs, pick Imam ul Haq also.

And you think Imam is as good as the Riz and Babar. Thanks for that laugh

 

[hitthestump]

I'm absolutely fed up of us paying silly money to these foreign people who dont give a damn about Pakistan cricket.

We should only appoint Pakistanis. After this world cup finishes, we should look be looking at the likes of Aaqib, Mohammed Akram, Ijaz Ahmed and Waqar Younis

63rd time lucky for Waqar the coach?

 

[Rana]

And you think Imam is as good as the Riz and Babar. Thanks for that laugh

You want runs don’t you? Trust me, Imam doesn’t get out until he gets his token 40 odd also

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Hayden does a lot of Yoga and meditation and is a chilled guy.

I dont understand the amount of flack in this thread based on some stages video.

At the very least these guys care about their next appointment and by demonstrating some value to Pakistan they can increase their CV for the next employer.

So I doubt a professional like MH is just counting down his pay cheque.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How are you supposed to get the best out of this guy when you have Babar and Rizwan as your openers?

Ramiz hired him because he wanted to install a ‘fearless champion Aussie’ attitude. But the guys doing most of the batting for us are more concerned about preserving their wickets and records.

Australian attitude is to win. Babar and Riz have won us matches in T20.

However whenever they do win us matches guys like you invent hypothetical scenarios to find reasons for why wouldn't have won if x or y had happened.

The only thing your pick Sharjeel has won is the mcdonalds monopoly competition.

 

[OldWarHorse]

He wont be there to change techniques or teach them new shots. He is there as a consultant. He will mostly be discussing their approach towards putting runs on the board, working with the analysts to come up with plans on opposition bowlers etc.

From the IPL commentary stint it was clear to see he is very sorted on how to go about building a 20 over score. Appointments like these are best made keeping the short term goals in mind.

 

[Usman]

He's paid to be a consultant and not a coach. He can give pointers to someone but nothing else, he's been watching the IPL a lot closely so will have an idea of the wickets as well.

Nobody’s expecting him to change the techniques of batters in the course of a few short weeks. However I think the role of coach and consultant is not that different. Both are there to run practice sessions, give suggestions if players are struggling, get morale high etc. I hope Hayden does all that.

 

[Sycamore]

Looks like people in this thread have never had a consultant at their workplace.

Consultants especially those that are recruited for short terms don't focus on the specifics, they provide motivation, direction, in a broad general sense to help you / your team achieve their goals. It's all about giving you confidence in your own skills and strengthen your beliefs in the right direction.

At this level and time in the world cup, the last thing you want to do is make a change in a batsmen's technique who you have seen for 20 minutes.

 

[OMB]

Doesn't look too interested.

Probably wants his pay and move on.

On the other hand, Philander seems far more involved and wants to actually help the team.

brother, what makes you say that?
Looked interested and involved to me.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The kind of comments I'm seeing here are hilarious. Some people flouting nationalism, others blaming the PCB and yet some thinking that they know better than one of the greatest openers of all-time.

And based on what, a 2 minute video?

 

[Mamoon]

Of course he is not interested. Why would he be interested?

He has no affiliation/connection with Pakistan. I bet he is still hoping Australia or even India to win the title.

He has been appointed for this tournament only. His contract does not depend on how Pakistani batsmen do in this tournament.

He will face no accountability, no appraisal for his performance because he will be leaving anyway.

So he has no reason to be interested and invested. You don’t even need to judge him based on a 2 minute video.

 

[Chip32]

Mans is being paid for throwdowns and saying "shot" every once and a while. Could've put that money toward a real coach instead of hiring a glorified cheer leader.

 

[The_Real_Deal]

why is hayden getting so much hate?? the tournament hasn't even started and already you have hate for this guy??

yes he's a consultant (check what that means), being paid like everyone else does, and is giving a more attacking perspective to the batsmen's mentality. what else do you want him to do? become a wizard and all of a sudden they're all attacking hayden-type batmen??

be realistic! give him a chance!

 

[zarak]

Of course he is not interested. Why would he be interested?

He has no affiliation/connection with Pakistan. I bet he is still hoping Australia or even India to win the title.

He has been appointed for this tournament only. His contract does not depend on how Pakistani batsmen do in this tournament.

He will face no accountability, no appraisal for his performance because he will be leaving anyway.

So he has no reason to be interested and invested. You don’t even need to judge him based on a 2 minute video.

Such comments are more of a reflection of how YOU would think. You have nothing to go with, yet you at default assume that a professional who is being paid money would not be interested in fulfilling his job. This despite the fact that this man has displayed professionalism and good work ethic throughout his career.

When you say things like this you expose your own mindset. People show interest because they have ethics and are being paid to do so.

 

[Forum363]

Of course he is not interested. Why would he be interested?

He has no affiliation/connection with Pakistan. I bet he is still hoping Australia or even India to win the title.

He has been appointed for this tournament only. His contract does not depend on how Pakistani batsmen do in this tournament.

He will face no accountability, no appraisal for his performance because he will be leaving anyway.

So he has no reason to be interested and invested. You don’t even need to judge him based on a 2 minute video.

There are hundreds of retired players trying to make a living through coaching. There are around 8 top International teams. To have any experience of coaching an international team is a huge tick on your cv and sets you up well (future IPL gigs etc).

You are deluded if you think a non-established coach like Hayden has no interest or investment in coaching a top International team during a World Cup. He may not face any direct accountability or appraisal but its easy for word to get around that he is lazy/ disinterested / doesn't add value.

 

[CleverSir]

You all are doing a lot of analysis based on a few photos and short video. Might be time to put the phone down and go for a walk.

 

[Mamoon]

Such comments are more of a reflection of how YOU would think. You have nothing to go with, yet you at default assume that a professional who is being paid money would not be interested in fulfilling his job. This despite the fact that this man has displayed professionalism and good work ethic throughout his career.

When you say things like this you expose your own mindset. People show interest because they have ethics and are being paid to do so.

You can say what you want, but the reality is that if you get a temporary job and you know that you will be leaving in a month or so regardless of how you perform, you cannot be committed to the job. There is no motivation for you.

He displayed good professionalism and work ethic throughout his career because he wanted to keep his place in the teams that he played for, and I am sure he will show the same qualities if he works as a full-time coach with a team in the future.

But this stint with the Pakistan team is nothing but a paid holiday for him and the only reason he was appointed by PCB is because it is a catchy appointment that got the casual fans excited.

Hayden is fully aware of the fact that there is pretty much nothing that he can do in such a short timeframe. That is yet another reason why he has no reason to invested in this job, if you can even call it one.

 

[Mamoon]

There are hundreds of retired players trying to make a living through coaching. There are around 8 top International teams. To have any experience of coaching an international team is a huge tick on your cv and sets you up well (future IPL gigs etc).

You are deluded if you think a non-established coach like Hayden has no interest or investment in coaching a top International team during a World Cup. He may not face any direct accountability or appraisal but its easy for word to get around that he is lazy/ disinterested / doesn't add value.

Hayden is a huge name and if he is really interested in landing a proper coaching job, he will not be short of offers.

I don’t think he seems too interested to work as a full-time coach, especially because he must be making good money in IPL as a commentator / presenter.

He retired 10 years ago. If he wanted to be a coach, he would have become one by now.

The only reason he accepted this offer from PCB is because no one is going to say no to a paid holiday in Dubai. It is easy money for no work and no accountability.

Besides, he is not going through a big enough life crisis to be desperate for a coaching job with Pakistan, especially when it is obvious that he is going to dig his heels at the prospects of coming to Pakistan.

I know Pakistani fans are desperate to believe that Hayden is extremely motivated and committed to this so-called consultancy with PCB, but there is no reason for him to be invested and committed.

He is only here for the tournament, he will be on his way out regardless of how the batsmen perform, he will face no accountability, if he wants to coach a team in the future, this stint will have no impact on his prospects.

There are clearly no reasons whatsoever for him to be motivated and engaged. This is just stunt pulled off by Ramiz to get the casual and deluded fans excited.

 

[zarak]

You can say what you want, but the reality is that if you get a temporary job and you know that you will be leaving in a month or so regardless of how you perform, you cannot be committed to the job. There is no motivation for you.

He displayed good professionalism and work ethic throughout his career because he wanted to keep his place in the teams that he played for, and I am sure he will show the same qualities if he works as a full-time coach with a team in the future.

But this stint with the Pakistan team is nothing but a paid holiday for him and the only reason he was appointed by PCB is because it is a catchy appointment that got the casual fans excited.

Hayden is fully aware of the fact that there is pretty much nothing that he can do in such a short timeframe. That is yet another reason why he has no reason to invested in this job, if you can even call it one.

Not sure about that buddy.

There are numerous ways people approach their lives and their integrity. I know it is surprising to you, but some people actually like to contribute when they are being paid. However, after reading your comment perhaps you may not fall in that bracket.

Batting plans, grip changes, stance changes, team selection there are numerous short term contributions a batting consultant can make. Heck, he can even be a cheerleader and give confidence to the batters.

Fact is that you claim Pakistani fans are deluded hype machines. But your own logic is kind of similar. I understand that you like to take your employers for a free ride but it is not good to assume everyone is like that.

 

[Mamoon]

Not sure about that buddy.

There are numerous ways people approach their lives and their integrity. I know it is surprising to you, but some people actually like to contribute when they are being paid. However, after reading your comment perhaps you may not fall in that bracket.

Batting plans, grip changes, stance changes, team selection there are numerous short term contributions a batting consultant can make. Heck, he can even be a cheerleader and give confidence to the batters.

Fact is that you claim Pakistani fans are deluded hype machines. But your own logic is kind of similar. I understand that you like to take your employers for a free ride but it is not good to assume everyone is like that.

It is easy to take the moral high ground over the internet because you don’t need to prove anything.

The fact is that you and 99% of the people here will have no motivation to perform in a situation where (a) you are on roughly a month’s contract (b) you will face no accountability regardless of your performance (c) your paycheck is guaranteed and (d) your future employment will not be impacted by your performance.

Now you can project your self-righteousness and claim that you have given your 100% in such situations, but you can claim that all day long and we will be at an impasse because there is nothing that you can prove and there is nothing that I can disprove.

Furthermore, if you think that Hayden can change the stance, grip etc. of the batsmen in 3-4 weeks, that too during a tournament and have the batsmen implement/replicate these modifications in match situations, that too under the pressure of a tournament, you clearly don’t know anything about cricket or the role muscle memory plays in athletic activities.

 

[zarak]

It is easy to take the moral high ground over the internet because you don’t need to prove anything.

The fact is that you and 99% of the people here will have no motivation to perform in a situation where (a) you are on roughly a month’s contract (b) you will face no accountability regardless of your performance (c) your paycheck is guaranteed and (d) your future employment will not be impacted by your performance.

Now you can project your self-righteousness and claim that you have given your 100% in such situations, but you can claim that all day long and we will be at an impasse because there is nothing that you can prove and there is nothing that I can disprove.

Furthermore, if you think that Hayden can change the stance, grip etc. of the batsmen in 3-4 weeks, that too during a tournament and have the batsmen implement/replicate these modifications in match situations, that too under the pressure of a tournament, you clearly don’t know anything about cricket or the role muscle memory plays in athletic activities.

People make small adjustments game to game. Open or close their stance, stand tall or crouch a bit, correct poor balance, work on head positioning, or take a different guard to counteract a particular bowler. This is not major technical overhaul but rather minor adjustments. If you recall the 2003 world cup, Gilchrist put a squash ball on his wrist in order loosen his grip because one of his coaches told him to do so.

So clearly in terms of minor adjustments and strategies a consultant can do some work. Muscle memory would remain the same but opening your stance could give you better access to the ball.

My point is the same. There is nothing that I can prove or nothing that you can disprove. So why would you make presumptuous statements on what a persons intent is.

There are plenty of reasons for Hayden to want to perform.

He would like to secure future consulting gigs.
He would like to maintain a good reputation in the cricket fraternity
He likes working with players

I do not know if any of these are true. However, your response that he is just here to pass time has no base and is devoid of any real logic. Just sounds like a bitter rant and possibly reflects upon your own mindset.

 

[Markhor]

Let's not pretend Hayden and Philander are trying to enhance their coaching reputation. If they were genuinely interested in a coaching career, they would've had some experience by now.

Ramiz literally picked up the phone to his commentating buddies and hired them.

Hayden was appointed on the laughable basis that he's an Australian so will magically impart "aggression" onto our players. This is the logic of a 10 year old, but that's the mindset of our Chairman.

 

[zarak]

Let's not pretend Hayden and Philander are trying to enhance their coaching reputation. If they were genuinely interested in a coaching career, they would've had some experience by now.

Ramiz literally picked up the phone to his commentating buddies and hired them.

Hayden was appointed on the laughable basis that he's an Australian so will magically impart "aggression" onto our players. This is the logic of a 10 year old, but that's the mindset of our Chairman.

Philander is 36 years old, and I think he has been coaching a bit. Hayden is pretty new he is more a cheerleader with the odd tip. I think the main purpose was to get some impartial guys that are not scared of loosing their jobs. I feel Waqar and Misbah were tactically quite poor and always took a safety first approach. Playing not to loose rather than win.

I know Waqar did a lot of selection blunders as a coach. Playing Abdur Rehman ahead of Ajmal in the 2011 world cup because he is a better batter. Or playing Nasir Jamshed in the 2015 world cup ahead of Sarfraz.

I think even has a cheerleader Mohsin Khan type coach these two will be an improvement

 

[drubwrubnat]

I do not know if any of these are true. However, your response that he is just here to pass time has no base and is devoid of any real logic. Just sounds like a bitter rant and possibly reflects upon your own mindset.

Im not writing this post to oppose but just place a counter view. I might be wrong.

There is a saying -

If your buying something,first you take the item, and then pay the money.
If your selling something, first you first take the money, and then give the item.

Please note, im not saying you shouldnt pay your rent in advance or prepay a flight ticket. But in transactions, it helps to keep the upper hand.

I appreciate your positive thinking but i have to admit, i share the same skeptical mindset.
If hes doing his consulting well, and giving tips, he is being paid to do so. Its not a great ehsaan he is doing. But accountability does help!
As pointed out, the man didnt fly to Pakistan or give online coaching lessons or come out to the media to outline his vision, inspite of being a commentator to rival league.

Peace

 

[dravidthewall]

How it will be when Hayden giving batting tips to shoeb Malik?. I think shoeb Malik debut earlier 1999 than hayden. Interesting

 

[Golden arm]

I'm absolutely fed up of us paying silly money to these foreign people who dont give a damn about Pakistan cricket.

We should only appoint Pakistanis. After this world cup finishes, we should look be looking at the likes of Aaqib, Mohammed Akram, Ijaz Ahmed and Waqar Younis

The problem with Pakistanis is the lack of thinking, strategy and planning skills. All our former stars were natural talents and game has also evolved a lot in last many years since franchise cricket and more data has come into play. They are found wanting for understanding. Both Misbah and waqar lost so many matches due to lack of strategy and with little more planning they could have won atleast 20 percent more matches with the existing talent

 

[Golden arm]

Im not writing this post to oppose but just place a counter view. I might be wrong.

There is a saying -

If your buying something,first you take the item, and then pay the money.
If your selling something, first you first take the money, and then give the item.

Please note, im not saying you shouldnt pay your rent in advance or prepay a flight ticket. But in transactions, it helps to keep the upper hand.

I appreciate your positive thinking but i have to admit, i share the same skeptical mindset.
If hes doing his consulting well, and giving tips, he is being paid to do so. Its not a great ehsaan he is doing. But accountability does help!
As pointed out, the man didnt fly to Pakistan or give online coaching lessons or come out to the media to outline his vision, inspite of being a commentator to rival league.

Peace

It was more of Rameez'z fault, he was desperate. He should have hired even Gilchrist or Michael Hussey etc any one else or even Lance Klusener

 

[zarak]

Im not writing this post to oppose but just place a counter view. I might be wrong.

There is a saying -

If your buying something,first you take the item, and then pay the money.
If your selling something, first you first take the money, and then give the item.

Please note, im not saying you shouldnt pay your rent in advance or prepay a flight ticket. But in transactions, it helps to keep the upper hand.

I appreciate your positive thinking but i have to admit, i share the same skeptical mindset.
If hes doing his consulting well, and giving tips, he is being paid to do so. Its not a great ehsaan he is doing. But accountability does help!
As pointed out, the man didnt fly to Pakistan or give online coaching lessons or come out to the media to outline his vision, inspite of being a commentator to rival league.

Peace

I don't understand your post. My logic is simple. Does anyone have concrete evidence to claim that this man is looking for a free ride without contributing. Is he a fixer? Has he shown poor morals in the past?
He is getting paid money and like any normal human he will do what he can within his limits. If that is to be a cheerleader then so be it.

What is the need to assume the worst with no real evidence.

 

[asadee]

How it will be when Hayden giving batting tips to shoeb Malik?. I think shoeb Malik debut earlier 1999 than hayden. Interesting

Hayden made his debuts 93-94 seasons