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[VIDEO/PICTURES] Mohammad Rizwan taking a break to perform prayers during match against India

I was not the one who raised the issue of Huraira's religious faith. But I should address the rebuttals of my comments about his potential and the impact of religion upon it.

You will note that I actually specified that my all-time sporting hero is a man who was defined by his religious beliefs - Eric Liddell, who managed the incredible double of being the greatest ever Scottish sportsman and the greatest ever Chinese sportsman.

You ask why I have concluded that religious faith is often - not always - antithetical to (incompatible with)
cricketing success.

Well, I have data on which I base that theory, and a hypothesis for why it works that way.

As I wrote earlier, there have been two all-time great teams in my lifetime. The champion West Indies team of 1976-1991 contained no great players of any significant religious beliefs. The great Australian team of 1995-2005 contained one single religious player.

I would add that the international performances of Saeed Anwar, Saqlain Mushtaq and Mushtaq Ahmed basically fell off a cliff when they became more devout, while I don't think that any of the other recent Pakistanis improved after they found religion apart from Mohammad Yousaf.

And the case of Yousaf basically illustrates my theory elegantly.

I do not wish to offend my Pakistani friends by singling out their religion, so I will instead address the one earlier generations of my family followed, Christianity.

The few people of my age in Australia, New Zealand and the UK who are observant Christians basically had their beliefs drummed into them before the were old enough to think. They believe in things inconsistent with logical thought because they were given beliefs before they could analyse facts of any description. Many Americans are much more devoutly Christian - and much more conservative - because their beliefs were taught to them before they were capable of critical evaluation of information. Their beliefs pre-date their capacity for critical thinking.

Mohammad Yousaf is different - he actually exercised his own mind to switch religions as an adult, and weighed up all sorts of complex pros and cons in doing so. That's actually a skillset of reflection, decisiveness and capacity to change course which is not totally different to the one you need to go from being a good batsman to a great one.

Earlier in this thread @The_Googly gave the example of the westernised Pakistani players of the 1970s as people who were educated, unreligious and won nothing.

I would argue the opposite - that Intikhab Alam achieved far more than Shadab Khan but also that Majid Khan was more respected and feared during his career than Inzamam was. Majid Khan captained Cambridge University and played for Glamorgan in the County Championship and Queensland in Australia. Wasim Raja had a series away in the West Indies when he performed as a batsman on a higher level than any other Pakistani in any series, ever.

And Imran Khan turned himself from a rubbish medium-paced inswing bowler into the greatest captain and second greatest all-rounder that anyone has ever seen. And he did it through thought, reflection and a courage to overturn his beliefs and go in a new direction.

The 1970's Pakistan cricketers were really cast in the image of Jinnah. As a result of which they were in demand around the world.

An aspiring cricketer has the best chance of success if he learns to analyse his game, the opposition's strengths, weaknesses and strategies and his fitness and lifestyle. If anything, religion has the capacity to undermine this sporting development if a player thinks that by living a pious life and being religious he has a shortcut to success without having to put in the hard work on the game.

So privately when I see a young sportsman of any religion putting on a public display of his religious beliefs I worry for his sporting potential. I worry that he prioritises beliefs that predate his ability to think ahead of the hard, evidence-based task of analysing and improving his own game.

It was Karl Marx who described religion as "the opium of the masses". And it is quite ironic that when I see a young sportsman who is devoutly religious my next instinct is to worry about his future, whereas many of you who are more religious than I am have the opposite reaction.

I have the same worries whether that sportsman is a young Brazilian footballer or an Asian cricketer.

And it is part of the rich tapestry of life that a picture of Mohammed Huraira praying can have the opposite effect on me as a western male to which it has on many of the Pakistanis on this forum.
Yes but the Pakistani team of 70s and West Indian team of 70s never actually denounced religion or were atheists.

On the other hand, Mohammad yousuf became a better batsman after accepting Islam publicly.

Mohammad Ali would not be Mohammad Ali without Islam.

Yes the levels of religiosity varies but I do not think just because you’re religious, you’re bound to fail as an athlete.
 
Mohammad Rizwan offering prayer on street in USA sparks mixed reactions

Mohammad Rizwan offering prayer on street in USA sparks mixed reactions
Pakistan wicketkeeper-batter, Mohammad Rizwan, recently made headlines during his stay in the United States of America (USA).

Rizwan, who was participating in an executive education program at Harvard Business School with his teammate and skipper Babar Azam, chose to extend his stay in Boston even after the program concluded on Saturday, June 3. It was during this period that an incident involving Rizwan offering prayers on the street caught the attention of social media users, sparking a wide range of reactions from people across different backgrounds.

The video of Mohammad Rizwan offering Namaz on the street in the US quickly went viral, drawing both positive and negative responses. Some individuals praised Rizwan's dedication to his faith and appreciated his commitment to observing his religious obligations.








On the other hand, there were those who expressed criticism and skepticism towards Rizwan's actions.










Some questioned the need for him to pray on the street, suggesting that there should have been alternative places for him to worship.






Others raised concerns about the potential disruption caused by his prayer, as well as the perceived blurring of the separation between religion and public space.






Rizwan, in particular, is known for his efforts in spreading the message of Islam through his speeches at various mosques during his cricket tours to different countries.

On the last day of the program, Rizwan went a step further by gifting a Holy Quran to his teacher from the Harvard Business School's executive education program. This gesture not only showcased Rizwan's gratitude for the opportunity but also demonstrated his commitment to his faith and its values.
 
If star player like Rizwan can't find a proper place to pray, then where will he common person go?

Is it that he has access to proper places, but chose to use street and thus encourages this practice?
 
If Rizwan pulls off a stunt like this in India during the World Cup…
 
If Rizwan pulls off a stunt like this in India during the World Cup…

I don't think the crowd will notice or care too much. But if it's during an Ind-Pak game and India go on to lose the match, I expect the Godi media to go bananas the next day :dhoni

I was thinking about this image though, from the OP. It bothered me and I was trying to understand why.

Is it some undercurrent of Islamophobia? Because I know I don't care about Messi making the cross or pointing his fingers skywards or a Hindu cricketer kissing a sacred amulet around his neck.

I'd like to believe I'm not irrationally anti-Islam and so my conclusion was - it's the duration of these displays. The longer they are, the more people tend to notice and the more it tends to annoy those who don't believe. Pretty sure the likes of Inzy used to look up in thanks and it never stuck once in my head that he was thanking his God.

So yeah, reduce the display, keep it minimal and no one will get triggered. You could always argue, it's your problem if you're getting triggered.

Sure.

Let me put it this way. I'm guessing the equivalent would be if Kohli went sashtang namaskara after another hundred vs Pakistan :srt and maybe then started also doing an urulu seve around the ground during the break. How would that feel to a Pakistani Muslim?
 
If star player like Rizwan can't find a proper place to pray, then where will he common person go?

Is it that he has access to proper places, but chose to use street and thus encourages this practice?

Their is a mosque just round the block but he chose to do this for the cameras . Nautanki and nothing else.
 

World Cup 2023: Matthew Hayden Says Pakistan Team Disciplined Because of Islam, Gets Slammed by Netizens​

Curated By: Aakash Biswas
News18.com
Last Updated : October 05, 2023, 04:01 IST

Former Australian cricketer Matthew Hayden, who was a member of the Pakistan coaching staff, has been accused of promoting Islam on air. He was commenting with former Pakistan cricketer Ramiz Raja.​

 

World Cup 2023: Matthew Hayden Says Pakistan Team Disciplined Because of Islam, Gets Slammed by Netizens​

Curated By: Aakash Biswas
News18.com
Last Updated : October 05, 2023, 04:01 IST

Former Australian cricketer Matthew Hayden, who was a member of the Pakistan coaching staff, has been accused of promoting Islam on air. He was commenting with former Pakistan cricketer Ramiz Raja.​

This is probably the dumbest reason to cancel someone.

Their mad at him, because he's promoting the one religion that Pakistan team should follow?
 
Very strange Molana Mohammad Rizwan sahab didnt go for sajda after completing his century

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If anything - religion helps someone to achieve their sporting goal rather than be a hindrance. Islam teaches discipline, no alcohol, hard work and honesty - all great traits for a sportsman.
I am really surprised at this analysis.

Huraira is a Muslim and performed his prayers during a drinks break. Absolutely no issue with that. In the 70s, a majority of the Pakistan team were educated, not religious and drank alcohol. And won hardly anything. Religion is a personal thing and we should refrain from criticising people for their beliefs.
Overreliance on religion didn't achieve pakistan's sporting goal.

Quite the opposite. The drunkards, womanizers of 70s,80s,90s.00s achieved more glories.

Imran Khan. Ricking Ponting. Shane Warne. Ian Botham. Viv Richards. Enough said.
 
Overreliance on religion didn't achieve pakistan's sporting goal.

Quite the opposite. The drunkards, womanizers of 70s,80s,90s.00s achieved more glories.

Imran Khan. Ricking Ponting. Shane Warne. Ian Botham. Viv Richards. Enough said.

There’s usually an initial productive phase like Yousuf had. Religious devotion brings a calmness and discipline that an athlete needs. Problem is the next phase when these guys go into preacher mode and want others to join them.
 
"There’s usually an initial productive phase"

There is not enough sample size for this correlation; whereas, on the flip side we have a sufficient pool.

Infact the baseline when he was youhana was already on an uptick once he became moh'd. Cannot possibly disregard contribution for his fleeting success to growing up underdog minority in a vicious environment.

Nevertheless, immediately thereafter, his sudden downgrade as a cricketer -- specially a bitter, unlikable person -- is quite remarkable.

rizwan matches his vibe to a tee.
 
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