[VIDEO/PICTURES] Shakib Al Hasan - should he have been given out in Group 2 game versus Pakistan?

[Energy]

Marginal decision because the on field umpire gave it out. And there was no conclusive evidence to overturn it. The spike was at the start of the snicko frame and the spike pattern wasn't exactly of the bat edging the ball. If it was not out on the field it would have stayed that way too.

 

[MRSN]

Shouldn't have been given out IMO.

He needs evidence to overturn the decision which was not conclusive. If bat was hitting the ground it was not hitting the ball as well as there was clear gap when that snicko goes up.

 

[MSaad1237]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1589131143588515842

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Fielding team should've rejected it..

 

[SpiritOf1903]

 

[DRsohail]

And Kohli was right to complain. Our players should also have the balls to challenge umpires.

Nawaz bowled a beamer before that ball as well, and it was borderline too. He got away with it, and if you do it twice in the same over you should be penalized.

Earlier in that game, Axar Patel’s run out decision went in Pakistan’s favor. It was 50-50. There was no conclusive evidence that the bails were dislodged by the ball and not Rizwan’s gloves.

The umpires could have given benefit of doubt to the batsman. If it was a Pakistani batsman, the Pakistani fans would be crying and given gyans on benefit of doubt.

Not at all, He gave wrong no ball. The axar was given by third umpire, not on someone's request. wrong is wrong whatever you try to make of it.

 

[Madplayer]

He was not out. A mistake by the umpires.

No conspiracy. Pakistan is not in a position to influence anything.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Was snicko faulty .. there's a gap

 

[Smbhayi]

In the first pic. It’s very clear that the spike starts when bat hits the ground. The spike started when bat was nowhere near ball and was on ground

In the first pic bat not hit the ground and ball is close to bat .

 

[Mamoon]

Not at all, He gave wrong no ball. The axar was given by third umpire, not on someone's request. wrong is wrong whatever you try to make of it.

The third umpire gave a 50-50 call in Pakistan’s favor. If he didn’t, Pakistani fans will be crying as usual.

 

[Smbhayi]

Enough doubt to be not out when reviewing it.

Looked dead out on first instance though so you can’t blame it initially by the on call umpire.

It shouldn't have given out by onfield umpire, reason he's steeped out and ball hit him on full on leg stump and umpire won't know which way ball will turn. And if umpire gives it not out then Pak probably won't go to review too..

 

[Smbhayi]

Unlike India, we won't justify this poor decision. Tough luck Bangladesh.

And yet some believes it correct decision, hope they're not from Pakistan..

 

[Mamoon]

He was not out. A mistake by the umpires.

No conspiracy. Pakistan is not in a position to influence anything.

So umpires cannot make mistakes when India is involved? Yes or no?

If they can, how do you decide which decision was a genuine mistake and which decision was because of BCCI’s influence?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I have seen some silly comments that umpires are doing their best to get Ind-Pak final at all costs. Bangladesh was never going to win regardless of Shakib dismissal

And yes, it was a wrong decision to give him out. Like really awful

 

[DRsohail]

The third umpire gave a 50-50 call in Pakistan’s favor. If he didn’t, Pakistani fans will be crying as usual.

Third umpire should have given the right decision too. two wrong do not make one right. We did not ask him, Kohli did and he bottled under pressure gave a wrong no ball.

 

[Madplayer]

So umpires cannot make mistakes when India is involved? Yes or no?

If they can, how do you decide which decision was a genuine mistake and which decision was because of BCCI’s influence?

Yes, umpires can make mistakes in India's case as well. We cannot distinguish between genuine mistake and influenced decision. However, only in India's case is there also a possibility of umpires having conflict of interest due to IPL money. Simple.

 

[pillionrider]

Yes, umpires can make mistakes in India's case as well. We cannot distinguish between genuine mistake and influenced decision. However, only in India's case is there also a possibility of umpires having conflict of interest due to IPL money. Simple.

This line of thinking is what created the caste system.

 

[Madplayer]

This line of thinking is what created the caste system.

No. Bcci type privilege is what created the caste system. My post calls out the system.

 

[Smbhayi]

Bat never hit the ground [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

 

[Smbhayi]

Bat never hit the ground [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Also there's a deflection too..

 

[Major]

Bat never hit the ground [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Dont know about deflection, from this video you cant tell if it hit the ground or not. Hot spot would had helped. Maybe the bat touched the grass with a very soft touch

Issue is the snikco bar, it didnt pick a a vibration in the middle.

Anyways data was inconclusive to change decision.
Yes one could say it was the wrong decision

 

[Executioner]

Bat never hit the ground [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Yeah that is what I was thinking from this picture. There was clear gap between bat and the ground to due to the shadow. Frankly this is a shocking decision from the 3rd umpire.

This decision changed the entire complexion of the match. Not that shakib was in supreme form or anything but we are not that professional of a side to be able to brush these things aside so easily and regardless of this, we were still in a very strong position to score 150 which would have been a tough ask for Pakistan.

 

[Major]

I also noticed another issue. The front camera and the side camera were synched together. The side angle was two frames ahead and the front angle was frames behind

 

[Kroll]

I thought the out decision was definitely going to be overturned when watching the review. To me, the ultra edge spike seemed to appear when the bat was just off the ground.

Harsh on Bangla but we've also been on the receiving end of some dodgy decisions so perhaps our time to benefit from the rub of the green but it wasn't going to affect the eventual outcome unlike the Nawaz decision.

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Looks like a deflection to me. Not out.

 

[shariqnoor]

Bat never hit the ground [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Also how did Hawkeye project this ball hitting off stump? A leg spinner hitting the batsman on middle/leg stump 3 metres down the pitch is projected to hit off stump. Lol. Even Hawkeye is a complete farce.

 

[Grunge101]

I've had the chance to review the footage again and my opinions changed. This should have been overturned.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Also how did Hawkeye project this ball hitting off stump? A leg spinner hitting the batsman on middle/leg stump 3 metres down the pitch is projected to hit off stump. Lol. Even Hawkeye is a complete farce.

Unless it was a googly…

 

[Smbhayi]

Also how did Hawkeye project this ball hitting off stump? A leg spinner hitting the batsman on middle/leg stump 3 metres down the pitch is projected to hit off stump. Lol. Even Hawkeye is a complete farce.

That's why I said/called it was poor decision by onfield umpire too (even before the replay)..

 

[Smbhayi]

Unless it was a googly…

Not a googly, either a deflection or a leggi (from the gif).

 

[MenInG]

The third umpire's decision that led to Shakib al Hasan's dismissal created a lot of discussions among cricket analysts, including former Australian all-rounder Tom Moody who expressed incredible surprise at the verdict and said the Bangladesh captain was clearly not out.

Moody also tweeted, “This is when you need the 4th umpire to step in and debate the decision before the wrong one is made! #PAKvBAN #ICCT20WorldCup2022 #umpires”.

From a promising start, the Tigers disintegrated and posted a moderate 127/8, which Pakistan chased down with 11 balls and five wickets to spare at the Adelaide Oval Sunday.

This is not the first-time Langton Rusere, who was the third umpire for the Bangladesh-Pakistan game, made headlines in this tournament as, just a day before the Zimbabwean officiated a five-ball over for Afghanistan against hosts Australia at the Adelaide Oval.

The incident Sunday happened in the fifth ball of the over.

Shakib charged down the ground against leg-spinner Shadab Khan as it hit his toes. The umpire had a good look at it and raised his finger but Shakib went for a review immediately.

Shakib was confident and didn't even bother consulting Nazmul Hossain Shanto at the other end knowing himself that he had hit the ball.

The TV replay showed there was a spike in the snickometer when the ball went past Shakib's bat. As the replays continued to roll back and forth it looked crystal clear that there was a space between Shakib's willow and the ground.

But the third umpire Rusere stated that the noise had come from Shakib hitting the ground with his bat. The third umpire went on to check whether the ball was going on to hit the timber.

The replay indicated that the ball would have hit the stumps and eventually the third umpire stayed with the on-field decision and Shakib was given his marching orders.

Confusion was also created as Shakib was outside his crease and the ball would have had to travel around three meters in order to hit the stumps. Shakib was in disbelief and he didn't want to leave, standing in the middle of Adelaide Oval speaking with the umpires.

He was confident of having hit the ball and a few Bangladesh players were seen speaking with an umpire on the sidelines as well. But since the decision had been made, Shakib had to leave the field in disappointment and the Tigers skipper was visibly frustrated after such a decision.

Fans watching on and Bangladesh spectators in the stands simply couldn't believe what they had just seen unfold.

Dhaka Tribune

 

[CricFan2012]

So how is this not an example of ICC showing bias towards Pakistan?

Just imagine the reaction if this was a Pakistani batsman against an Indian bowler, or an Indian bowler against a Bangladeshi batsman in a must win game.

This is why you cannot take our victim mentality fans seriously.

The 3rd umpire made a bad mistake, you cant start throwing out accusations against all of ICC and this cheating nonsense

 

[shane]

I wonder what happened to Snicko....

 

[CricFan2012]

Dont know about deflection, from this video you cant tell if it hit the ground or not. Hot spot would had helped. Maybe the bat touched the grass with a very soft touch

Issue is the snikco bar, it didnt pick a a vibration in the middle.

Anyways data was inconclusive to change decision.
Yes one could say it was the wrong decision

What do you mean you cant tell? You can literally see the gap between ground and bat

 

[shane]

I wonder what happened to Snicko....

Oops I meant to say hot spot. That would have resolved this particlar decision once and for all.

 

[Savak]

Who was the third umpire? Will be disastrous if he is a Pakistani?

No sympathy with Shakib tho, he has been guilty of unparliamentary conduct against Pakistan and is always throwing his toys out of the pram in domestic cricket and international cricket but he becomes a sheep when it comes to confronting Kohli. Good for him to get the wrong rub of the green every now and then.

 

[IMMY69]

Bat never hit the ground [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Out, not out... not going to argue this but this video shows the bat hitting the ground.
You can see the bottom edge (left hand side) touch the ground. Also look at exactly that point on the wicket. You can a mark where the bottom edge touched the ground

 

[IMMY69]

^^^^^
actually scrap that... I can just about see daylight between bat and ground

 

[IMMY69]

I think the the ball was trapped between pad and bat.
The seam doesn't position doesn't change.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Also how did Hawkeye project this ball hitting off stump? A leg spinner hitting the batsman on middle/leg stump 3 metres down the pitch is projected to hit off stump. Lol. Even Hawkeye is a complete farce.

It’s actually verse than that in an effort to over correcting it..

The projection algorithms are taking the deflection off of the middle of the shoe (where the foot arch is) and a contact with the shoe was supposedly made, that makes the ball deviate from it’s path from going towards leg stump to go towards the off stump.

Fact of the matter is, the ball never made it into side middle of shoe where the foot arch is - it hit toe of the shoe.

 

[Saj]

There are some very poor umpires at the moment in international cricket.

Guys who should be nowhere near the international level.

 

[pasha404]

Is there no hot spot in this WC

 

[Runner Up]

They never recovered after this decision.

 

[Executioner]

Is there no hot spot in this WC

There actually isn't. Hotspot is a very expensive technology, a lot more than snicko which itself is expensive.

Cricket is a very poor sport financially. I mean just to generate revenues ICC has to put India and Pakistan in the same group all the time.

Since 2016, India and Pakistan have fared in EVERY ICC event group stage

2016 WT20
2017 CT
2019 WC - Well everyone faced each other so
2021 WT20
2022 WT20

 

[HitWicket]

This means nothing.

Show me the frame where THE VERY FIRST pulse line appears on the ultra edge, and we will see if the ball has even reached the bat?
I am ready to be convinced if you show the right evidence.

The spike was on the far right of the ultraedge graph indicating the noise happened after that visual frame. I.e right when the ball was passing the bat.

 

[DHONI183]

South Africa's hugely shocking loss to the Netherlands, and then Shakib being wrongly given out even by the TV umpire, is a lesson for every Pakistan fan that everything is not a conspiracy hatched by the BCCI nor is an international scheme against them. Cricket is a game of chances and mistakes. These things happen. We must also bear in mind that, the other day, the umpires didn't stop play when South Africa were ahead in the game on the DLS method, but they took the players off the moment Pakistan got ahead with a double wicket over from Shadab. Also, before that, the entire match was played in rain and the South African bowlers were clearly disadvantaged by it, and they were clearly struggling to grip the ball - as was evident by a beamer and some other low full-tosses. These things happen as a part of the game. This rotten victim mentality will only harm us in the long run. The biggest problem with it perhaps is that our future generations of cricketers will eventually emerge from these very fans who complain on social media over these little things and see a conspiracy in everything, and having a victim mentality is extremely harmful for one´s mental health. This won´t help the future generations of our cricketers focus on their game, and the worst part perhaps is that our former cricketers only add fuel to these outrageous theories and, personally for me, ruin the fun of the game, to be honest. But, I can´t fault these "experts" either because they know what gets sold in our country.

If some of these things had happened in India´s favour, the roof would´ve fallen off with all those claims of the umpires favouring India and also with the allegations of match-fixing against the South African players. It would´ve been claimed that they lost on purpose to secure themselves IPL contracts. I´ve been told that, after beating South Africa, the Netherlands players met Babar in the ground and told him that it was now over to him and his team to do their job. Surely, a very light moment and some good fun, but imagine if the same conversation had taken place with Rohit Sharma, the Indian captain! It doesn´t end there, mind you. We often conveniently forget that Imad Wasim was absolutely plumb out against Afghanistan in the ODI World Cup 2019 match, but got a reprieve by the umpire in a match which Pakistan won by a whisker in the end, and they would´ve otherwise been knocked out of the tournament there and then. We often also forget that Ireland won that famous match in the ODI World Cup 2007 despite being on the receiving end of two absolute shocking decisions by the umpires in favour of Pakistan bowlers in a match which they eventually lost by just three wickets. We also forget that the umpires awarded Wahab Riaz two wickets off front-foot no-balls against Zimbabwe in the ODI World Cup 2015 when the target to defend as low as 236.

So, these things happen in sports, and they don´t mean now that the PCB gets things done its ways. It´s just sports, and similarly many things must´ve gone in favour of India as well, in the past or even now. What I don´t deny is that the BCCI is a powerhouse in cricket and they even bully other boards or organisation based on its financial strength. They must be having a massive say in things behind the closed doors, absolutely no doubt about that! In particular, I´ve personally been a little disturbed by how the Indian team manages to get slow-ish pitches in ICC tournament - World T20 2016 being an example - but we Pakistan fans get way overboard with some of our theories.

 

[shaaik]

Unless it was a googly…

It wasn’t a googly.. in fact, the ball started drifting towards leg when it passed Shakib’s bat and the ball shd hv at max hit leg stump but the hawkeye had it hitting off stump. Complete farce !!

 

[light]

Whoever is defending this beyond pathetic umpiring needs to check again. At no point was the bat hitting the ground. The only possibility is there is a delay between the snyco and the video. There is clear video evidence of the bat never hitting the ground. I was watching the post match presentation and all of the Pakistani Pundit (Wasim/mishba/Waqar/etc) said the same thing. The whole world pundit is saying the same thing too. This was day light robbery of a wicket.

If you ask me, this whole world Cup has seen some shady umpiring. And yes, I also agree with you guys that Virat no ball was not a no ball either. Now imagine how you guys felt against us when that no ball was given. Same feeling bd boys felt when Shakib was given out against you guys. Not saying the on field umpire did anything wrong - he didn't have the tech in hand. However the 3rd umpire was a joke.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

There actually isn't. Hotspot is a very expensive technology, a lot more than snicko which itself is expensive.

Cricket is a very poor sport financially. I mean just to generate revenues ICC has to put India and Pakistan in the same group all the time.

Since 2016, India and Pakistan have fared in EVERY ICC event group stage

2016 WT20
2017 CT
2019 WC - Well everyone faced each other so
2021 WT20
2022 WT20

2015 WC too

 

[sweep_shot]

Whoever is defending this beyond pathetic umpiring needs to check again. At no point was the bat hitting the ground. The only possibility is there is a delay between the snyco and the video. There is clear video evidence of the bat never hitting the ground. I was watching the post match presentation and all of the Pakistani Pundit (Wasim/mishba/Waqar/etc) said the same thing. The whole world pundit is saying the same thing too. This was day light robbery of a wicket.

If you ask me, this whole world Cup has seen some shady umpiring. And yes, I also agree with you guys that Virat no ball was not a no ball either. Now imagine how you guys felt against us when that no ball was given. Same feeling bd boys felt when Shakib was given out against you guys. Not saying the on field umpire did anything wrong - he didn't have the tech in hand. However the 3rd umpire was a joke.

Correct.

Umpiring quality has been the worst I have seen in this tournament. It was bad in Asia Cup too.

ICC should do more to reduce blunders; there are now many technologies available.

 

[shamaan]

The Umpring is that of Club level

 

[ex-q-zit]

There actually isn't. Hotspot is a very expensive technology, a lot more than snicko which itself is expensive.

Cricket is a very poor sport financially. I mean just to generate revenues ICC has to put India and Pakistan in the same group all the time.

Since 2016, India and Pakistan have fared in EVERY ICC event group stage

2016 WT20
2017 CT
2019 WC - Well everyone faced each other so
2021 WT20
2022 WT20

India and Pakistan have played each other in every ICC tournament since 2011.

2011 - 50 over world cup semifinal
2012 - t20 WC
2013 - ICC Champions tropgy
2014 - t20 WC
2015 - 50 over group match

And the rest that you have mentioned above. I think in t20 world cups they didn't face each other only in 2010.

 

[Sherazkhalid]

He was not out, I walking around when the decision was being reviewed and even without my full attention, I remember that ball deviated once it moved past the bat which looked to me that bat is involved, the game definitely changed towards Pakistan after that.

 

[shamaan]

He was not out, I walking around when the decision was being reviewed and even without my full attention, I remember that ball deviated once it moved past the bat which looked to me that bat is involved, the game definitely changed towards Pakistan after that.

Plus he was 3metre down the pitch.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Out, not out... not going to argue this but this video shows the bat hitting the ground.
You can see the bottom edge (left hand side) touch the ground. Also look at exactly that point on the wicket. You can a mark where the bottom edge touched the ground

Interesting.
Look at the dust bowl popping up from the surface where bottom of the bat passed - the ball pitched three inches away from this spot. Review the replays a couple of times and you will notice this dust flying up off of this spot, AWAY from where the ball was pitched

 

[sweep_shot]

I think this was not out.

It's okay. Bad decisions happen in cricket.

Why did Bangladesh collapse after that decision? Middle order has to take the blame.

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

I think this was not out.

It's okay. Bad decisions happen in cricket.

Why did Bangladesh collapse after that decision? Middle order has to take the blame.

Bad decision, benefit of doubt should go with batsman however middle order was pathetic and remember they dropped rizwan in 1st over that was regulation catch.

If shanto catch was not dropped by shadab they might not get 127 either.

 

[PakLFC]

He was never out watching it live i felt it hit the bat first. We'd be furious had a Pak batsman been given out like that so lets give Shakib the same advantage. A terrible few days for Shakib firstly his pleas of not playing on a wet field versus India were ignored. Then against Pak he was wrongfully given out)))

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

He was never out watching it live i felt it hit the bat first. We'd be furious had a Pak batsman been given out like that so lets give Shakib the same advantage. A terrible few days for Shakib firstly his pleas of not playing on a wet field versus India were ignored. Then against Pak he was wrongfully given out)))

Better explore whole thread first before posting such rubbish, most of pakistani fans are saying its not out. Ssshhhhh

 

[Smbhayi]

Better explore whole thread first before posting such rubbish, most of pakistani fans are saying its not out. Ssshhhhh

He didn't say otherwise.. He said that if any pak batsman was out in that fashion, pak too would be very angry with that decision.. won't you? (And lots of conspiracy theories will pop up as well)

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Interesting.
Look at the dust bowl popping up from the surface where bottom of the bat passed - the ball pitched three inches away from this spot. Review the replays a couple of times and you will notice this dust flying up off of this spot, AWAY from where the ball was pitched

There was a gap when it passed the bat too...

 

[SpiritOf1903]

 

[360 CRICKET]

The bat might have hit the ground... but the DEFLECTION of the ball after it passed the Bat was clearly visible.


It was NOT OUT and a HOWLER according to me.

 

[PakLFC]

Better explore whole thread first before posting such rubbish, most of pakistani fans are saying its not out. Ssshhhhh

Who said most Pakistanis said it was out? Keeping your garbage comments to yourself!

 

[BouncerGuy]

Shakib is ready to make a difference for his team. At what number he should be batting at?

 

[sweep_shot]

Shakib is ready to make a difference for his team. At what number he should be batting at?

I think he should bat at #3. Very important position.