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[VIDEO] Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah - a special partnership for many years to come
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Terrible advise. Aus is the place where you need to bring the pitch into the equation.
Somebody with control like Faheem and Naseem could be effective in Aus as long as they hit the right areas and don’t get carried away with pace and bounce. Discipline is key there
their issue is lack of height.
Fahim no thanks he's a 4th seemer at best.
There was a camera shot during the SL Tests when Naseem was walking back to his mark and Shaheen came over from mid-on to have a word.
It brought a huge smile to my face because I saw these two now carrying on the pace bowling legacy that began with Fazal Mahmood and Khan Mohammad, revived under Imran Khan and Sarfraz Nawaz, and immortalised by Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis.
It's also really important the pacers guide each other as our batter captains struggle to relate to the intracacies of fast bowling.
It brought a huge smile to my face because I saw these two now carrying on the pace bowling legacy that began with Fazal Mahmood and Khan Mohammad, revived under Imran Khan and Sarfraz Nawaz, and immortalised by Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis.
It's also really important the pacers guide each other as our batter captains struggle to relate to the intracacies of fast bowling.
What's really heartening is that they are very good friends on and off the field and long may that continue.
Naseem sees Shaheen as the big brother and mentor in cricket and away from cricket.
However, I wish people would stop saying they are the new Wasim and Waqar!
Naseem sees Shaheen as the big brother and mentor in cricket and away from cricket.
However, I wish people would stop saying they are the new Wasim and Waqar!
Height is essential in Australia. Shaheen despite being very tall, isn't able to generate bounce consistently.
Naseem is not that type of bowler either.
Neither is iqbal or faheem.
This is the issue with Pakistan bowling. Until they are able to bend their backs and generate lift, not much will change in their ability to produce wins.
Batting obviously has serious holes against pace and bounce.
I repeat again. Pakistani bowlers don’t need to do anything special in Aus except bowling to plan and bowling tight lines and lengths. India just won 2 test series in Aus with some really disciplined bowling. It’s some weird Pakistani myth that something special needs to happen with bowling to deliver down under , which ends in heartbreaks.
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Shaheen suffered a huge dent to his reputation in the game against India. Hope he comes back stronger.
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Naseem ruled out of the Asia Cup due to injury.
He is crucial for Pakistan's chances in the World Cup.
He is crucial for Pakistan's chances in the World Cup.
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Both are talented I'll give them that however without proper guidance on field that talent means nothing.
When you have Babar as captain you could give him Warne and Mcgrath and he'll make them look like Shadab and Rahat Ali
When you have Babar as captain you could give him Warne and Mcgrath and he'll make them look like Shadab and Rahat Ali
I hope it is not that serious?
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Is this precautionary or serious?
Not sure how Naseem can recover within a few weeks with a serious shoulder injury.
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Zaman Khan replaces Naseem Shah in Asia Cup squad
Colombo, 13 September 2023:
Right-arm fast bowler Zaman Khan has replaced Naseem Shah in Pakistan’s 17-player squad for the ongoing Men’s ODI Asia Cup 2023. Zaman joined the team in the morning today and will train with the squad at the RPICS in the evening.
Naseem injured his right shoulder during the match against India. He continues to be monitored by the team’s medical panel that is taking all necessary precautions keeping in mind the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023.
Haris Rauf, who did not bowl on the reserve day of Pakistan v India contest as a precautionary measure, continues to recover well after he felt discomfort in his right flank on the first day of the match.
Team doctor Sohail Saleem: “These two fast bowlers are our assets and the team’s medical panel will provide them the best possible care ahead of the all-important World Cup.”
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Many fast bowlers will struggle in the WC unless you implement a rotation policy. The bowlers these days are used to bowl only 4 overs and not 10 overs and therefore I am afraid you will see many quicks from different countries breaking down.
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Naseem Shah travels back to Pakistan today.
End of the partnership for now. Hopefully we get to see it again in the WC
End of the partnership for now. Hopefully we get to see it again in the WC
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Agreed here. No need to play your premium fast bowler when you are not in a situation like a must-win or something like that. waseem or Faheem could have easily managed the workload for them against Nepal.
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This is pretty Alarming for Shaheen.
Naseem Shah:
Naseem Shah:
- First 10 Tests: 21 wickets, 45 Avg, 70 SR
- Last 8 Tests: 31 wickets, 25 Avg, 47 SR
- First 21 Tests: 86 wickets, 24 Avg, 48 SR
- Last 9 Tests: 27 wickets, 37 Avg, 66 SR
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Shaheen is a bhagta hua spinner.
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Never been the same bowler since his knee injury(Shaheen)
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Naseem Shah is overrated; he is getting hit around by Bangladeshi batsmen. Shaheen, however, has a higher ceiling, mainly due to his height, and he is likely to make a strong comeback soon.
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Former Pakistan cricketer, Basit Ali said on his YouTube channel:
"Naseem has better fitness, and Shaheen is currently struggling with it. But Shaheen is better than Naseem."
"Naseem has better fitness, and Shaheen is currently struggling with it. But Shaheen is better than Naseem."
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Shaheen needs a rest of 6 months from all form of cricket , he just lost his accuracy with the new ball and just not in the right frame of mind to accept his shortcomings and starts working on it , he is highly stubborn and not willing to learn or admit his faults.
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I don't think so Shaheen is better atm. Stats could say that Shaheen is better but in today's time, Naseem is way ahead of Shaheen. A genuine all-format bowler he is.
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There are milks which better than this.
Both are fantastic bowlers. Way below international standards but nevertheless good for Pak for now and no 1 in the pecking order that obviously fluctuates.
They need to keep their fitness, accuracy, stamina and abilities to bowl with old and new ball in tip top.
For that they need to be used sparingly and rotated around the second rung of players who can become format specialists. Mir hamza, Abbas, Khurram, mo Ali, Wasim, Abbas Afridi etc need to be bowling around them. The worst thing Pak can do is over burden this young as all format permanent selections and grind them into the ground like they did with junaid khan or amir.
They need to keep their fitness, accuracy, stamina and abilities to bowl with old and new ball in tip top.
For that they need to be used sparingly and rotated around the second rung of players who can become format specialists. Mir hamza, Abbas, Khurram, mo Ali, Wasim, Abbas Afridi etc need to be bowling around them. The worst thing Pak can do is over burden this young as all format permanent selections and grind them into the ground like they did with junaid khan or amir.
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Reminder that Naseem averages 35 in tests, one of the worst averages for bowlers who have played 20 tests or more. On par with bowlers like Kuruvilla and Saleem Altaf and Manoj Prabhakar
lol. What a strange comment. Most posters on here don’t know the names you mention but everyone will know Rahat Ali, Wahab riaz and of course dear old mo sami who at one point was ranked in the top ten but finished with average of over 50. Moral of the story a fast bowlers decline can be as rapid as the ascent don’t take anything for granted and watch your fitness and work load.
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I definitely know of bowlers who started great and lost their way. I dont know of a SINGLE bowler who started with a 35+ average in tests after 20 matches and then turned it around. I can give you even 30 averaging bowlers like Ishant or Umesh who then did decentish in last few years of their career, but no one who was so bad after 20 matches who turned it around. It doenst happen.
erm I don’t know exactly what we are disagreeing over.
A) countless bowlers in tests who started great for 20 tests then were average by the time they were dropped. Obviously that would be about 50% of all bowlers.
B) countless bowlers that would be average but then became fantastic. Obviously!! That would be the other 40%
C) the remaining 10% would probably be bowlers that made a sudden impact but by 20 tests they were dropped and disappeared into oblivion. Well that would be most Pakistani bowlers. (Amir, Asif, junaid included)
Naseem and SSA are not that different but age is in their side. 20-30 tests before they are 25yo is fine. But the hard work begins now but workload must be managed.
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If naseem shah brought his average under 30 at the end of his career it will be a success. Ishant sharma average 37 after 27 matches and he kind of did relatively well later in his career but he got to play a lot of test cricket to get better. He averaged 22 in his last 30 matches and only 26 in his last 50(so he kind of turned it around)I dont think that naseem shah will be playing this amount of test cricket, pakistan plays like 6 matches a year.
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Can you give examples of option B? Bowlers who averages over 35+ after 20 tests and then because fantastic or even good? I cannot think of any.
Almost every bowler. Not in A).
Might not always be 20 tests might be 10 tests as in Pak bowler might take 4 years to get to 20 tests but for an English or Indian bowler that can be done in 12-18 months depending on the cycle. Anderson, steyn and Asif, Cummins all had quite mediocre starts to their careers. I can’t be bothered searching exact number of tests as it’s a trap to derail the central point. You seem to to be trying hard to kiss the key point of the argument.
The central point is that a bowler in 10-30 tests is still establishing himself. You don’t fixate on averages though they help. You look at how he gets his wickets level of control and his place in the attack.
For instance Cummins start was delayed due to injury and there was a like for like in Pattinson and others like siddle and Ryan Harris were Doug a good enough job. All comes down to depth of squad. Pak just grind the same bowlers everywhere that’s a recipe for disaster. That’s the key point.
You can see there are hundreds. Notable names there agarkar and sreesanth. So Naseem is in good company. He might improve he might not. He might do well in Odis and deflect attention away from test record. Doesn’t matter.
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Kohlis captaincy and his aggressive mindset behind backing his fast bowlers helped Ishanth get a second wind in his test career.
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True this, india started making wickets which give good sport to quick bowlers as well. The pitches all over pakistan and the wickets made for test cricket show that we do not care about fast bowl at all.
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Pakistan have started to make spin friendly pitches recently in test match cricket and on such a wickets, fast bowlers don't have too many opportunities to produce real goods unless they have the pace like Shoaib Akhtar.
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