[VIDEO] Should Imran Khan resign for failure to protect lives on the PIA plane?

[MenInG]

Don't shoot me yet.

Watch what he said himself before his time as PM. Should others not ask for the same of him?

This is the ferry disaster he was referring to:

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/27/world/asia/south-korea-ship-sinking/index.html



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[moghul]

And bring back the thieves and the corrupt ones.

 

[Bilal_103]

No. There is no alternative choice unless you want to bring back the same incompetent crooks who robbed the country.

 

[Savak]

Has any Prime Minister or President of a Western Country ever resigned in such circumstances?

 

[Shazzam]

No. There is no alternative choice unless you want to bring back the same incompetent crooks who robbed the country.

Might as well keep him for another 10 years if this is your main worry.

 

[chinaman00]

He should resign for the failure to privatize PIA and other bankrupt state owned enterprises. Government should not be in the business of doing business. Let the private sector run these industries. The examples of PTCL and Banking privatization shows that in capable hands, these companies can be turned around and made profitable once political interferences and influence are removed. Quite pathetic that Imran Khan continues to think nationalization will make these grossly failed SOEs profitable. Pakistan requires bold and decisive actions which he’s unable to deliver. Sadly, the two main opposition dynasties are even worse and criminal minded.

https://twitter.com/beenishtabrez/status/1264136407246929921?s=21

 

[Syed1]

He should resign for the failure to privatize PIA and other bankrupt state owned enterprises. Government should not be in the business of doing business. Let the private sector run these industries. The examples of PTCL and Banking privatization shows that in capable hands, these companies can be turned around and made profitable once political interferences and influence are removed. Quite pathetic that Imran Khan continues to think nationalization will make these grossly failed SOEs profitable. Pakistan requires bold and decisive actions which he’s unable to deliver. Sadly, the two main opposition dynasties are even worse and criminal minded.

https://twitter.com/beenishtabrez/status/1264136407246929921?s=21

Well the plan is to make PIA profitable before selling it off. Nobody is going to buy a failing airline. In 2019 the airline had a gross profit of 12b, first time in a decade or more. So the plan seems to be working out. Unfortunately due to corona all airlines will report losses this year. IK never talked or supported nationalism. Please first educate yourself before giving an opinion, lest someone like me comes around and puts you in your place.

 

[chinaman00]

No you haven’t put me in my place and won’t be able to do because you are spewing hot air. Revenue (not profit) went up primarily due to rupee devaluation. PIA still run higher losses compared to the prior year. If you are waiting for PIA to become profitable organization, you will be waiting for a very long time, and at which point it will make no sense to sell a profitable company. I would love to be wrong about PIA’s profitability, but so far there’s been no indication that this is happening despite some sensationalist reports

“The report exposes a very bleak financial picture of PIA, which reported a loss of Rs47.76 billion compared to the preceding year’s loss of Rs44.77 billion. While the national flag carrier’s revenue increased by 2.07 per cent, primarily due to rupee devaluation, the operational costs went up as well.“

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...validates-pias-claims-of-increase-in-revenue/

 

[Bigboii]

I think they were doing a good job too the PIA they got out of deficit and stuff so no I mean he should personally take interest in the investigation and publish the report publiclly and stuff off course but resigning nah too much tbh

Besides army wouldn't let him resign either he is a pushover that's why

 

[MenInG]

Think problem is with the video in Post#1 that its he who set the high moral tone.

 

[sweep_shot]

Imran Khan is not perfect but I think he is the best leader Pakistan has had in years.

Besides, plane crashes can happen anywhere.

 

[MenInG]

Would have a Western leader resigned for an air crash?

 

[Sirris]

Don't shoot me yet.

Watch what he said himself before his time as PM. Should others not ask for the same of him?

This is the ferry disaster he was referring to:

https://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/27/world/asia/south-korea-ship-sinking/index.html



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This sensationalist clip was being spread by journalists and politicians on twitter hours after the tragedy.

As always with such clips, it's too short and ends abruptly so that you can't figure out what point the speaker was trying to make and in which context.

I read the news and this is what the first paragraph reads:

South Korea's prime minister announced his resignation Sunday morning, taking responsibility for the slow initial reaction to a ferry's sinking that has left nearly 200 dead and scores more still missing.

[...]
He and the girl's mother and sister are outraged at the government about what they say is a disorganized rescue operation.[...]

A day earlier, divers found the bodies of 48 girls -- wearing their life jackets -- pressed into a room too small for so many people.
[...]

A slow sinking ferry is different scenario than a plane crashing in a residential area. In first case many lives can still be saved, while in the second the passengers are dead within seconds. It seems that South Korean had organized a better rescue plan lives could have been rescued.

I'm sure Imran Khan himself was being over the top in his speech but even if we hold him to this standard there is not much similarity between the two incidents.

If the investigations find out that Imran Khan or his government was in anyway responsible for the plane crash and a proper management by the government could have saved lives then perhaps we could talk about his resignation.

 

[Sirris]

Think problem is with the video in Post#1 that its he who set the high moral tone.

I think most people just read the title of a news and aren't able to properly understand context.

The South Korean story isn't as simple as: There was an accident of a public transport => Country's prime minister resigns.

As far as Imran Khan is concerned, did he ask his opposition to resign because of a plane crash? A genuine question, since I am not aware of the context of his speech.

If so then indeed his standard is ridiculously high and he too didn't understand the reason behind the resignation of the South Korean Prime Minister.

 

[Sirris]

Might as well keep him for another 10 years if this is your main worry.

If people vote him in, why not?

What else should be the main worry?

 

[King-Misbah]

Yes he should resign so we have patriots like Mariyam Nawaz and Bilalwal Zardari taking over in the future.

 

[MenInG]

Too many conflicting parties in this air crash investigation - invariably fingers will be pointed at the administration. Will IK be bold enough to sack people?

 

[Mamoon]

This was the type of hyperbole that he used to attract popular vote, but if he was a truly sincere leader, he would have walked the talk and live up to his word.

He has proved to be just another deceiving politician who lied in his campaign to fool the masses.

The way PIA has dealt with the families of the deceased in a completely disgraceful manner. They have been arrogant, incompetent and not helpful in any way.

Absolutely nothing has changed after PIA was handed over to PAF. The pro establishment media have advertised Arshad Malik as some sort of a messiah, but PIA is still the epitome of incompetence and mismanagement.

They have been showing off the revenue and profit margins lately but what good is that money when PIA is still the most dangerous airline in the world and cannot handle a crash of 97 victims?

Oh yes, we know that a few more years of PAF leadership and PIA would be giving Emirates a run for its money.

If PMLN or PPP were in power now, Imran would be demanding the resignation of the PM, PIA CEO and Aviation Minister.

 

[Extra_Cover]

This was the type of hyperbole that he used to attract popular vote, but if he was a truly sincere leader, he would have walked the talk and live up to his word.

He has proved to be just another deceiving politician who lied in his campaign to fool the masses.

The way PIA has dealt with the families of the deceased in a completely disgraceful manner. They have been arrogant, incompetent and not helpful in any way.

Absolutely nothing has changed after PIA was handed over to PAF. The pro establishment media have advertised Arshad Malik as some sort of a messiah, but PIA is still the epitome of incompetence and mismanagement.

They have been showing off the revenue and profit margins lately but what good is that money when PIA is still the most dangerous airline in the world and cannot handle a crash of 97 victims?

Oh yes, we know that a few more years of PAF leadership and PIA would be giving Emirates a run for its money.

If PMLN or PPP were in power now, Imran would be demanding the resignation of the PM, PIA CEO and Aviation Minister.

So Imran is a deceiving politician like anyone else. Ok.

All politicians are liars and deceivers then. Now we have 3 liars running for one seat to run the country.

Liar 1 - Ruled the country for 3 terms. High profile corruption cases. Has history of attacking institutions and below the belt attack on women. Economy plundered under their watch.

Liar 2 - Family of martyrs. The head of this party is the worst thing ever happened to this party. Been ruling Sindh for decades and Sindh has to be the most under developed part of Pakistan after Balochistan if you take out Karachi. Ruling Sindh for years, what would make a voter think that them ruling Pakistan would be opposite of how they rule Sindh?

Liar 3 - Currently ruling power. Not corrupt but incompetent. Economy went through unstable times was becoming steady before Covid-19. In short rule of running the country there has been no major scandal unveiled against the current PM except for an anchor predicting family issues on tv. Public wants them to meet their standards set in campaigns and would hold them to account on them.

Of all these liars, which liar would you choose to run the country?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Shouldnt resign over this but he hasnt been able to change PIA so far. It's still a poor airline putting lives at risk.

Is this a genuine tweet?

 

[Mamoon]

So Imran is a deceiving politician like anyone else. Ok.

All politicians are liars and deceivers then. Now we have 3 liars running for one seat to run the country.

Liar 1 - Ruled the country for 3 terms. High profile corruption cases. Has history of attacking institutions and below the belt attack on women. Economy plundered under their watch.

Liar 2 - Family of martyrs. The head of this party is the worst thing ever happened to this party. Been ruling Sindh for decades and Sindh has to be the most under developed part of Pakistan after Balochistan if you take out Karachi. Ruling Sindh for years, what would make a voter think that them ruling Pakistan would be opposite of how they rule Sindh?

Liar 3 - Currently ruling power. Not corrupt but incompetent. Economy went through unstable times was becoming steady before Covid-19. In short rule of running the country there has been no major scandal unveiled against the current PM except for an anchor predicting family issues on tv. Public wants them to meet their standards set in campaigns and would hold them to account on them.

Of all these liars, which liar would you choose to run the country?

All three are equally useless because they are incompetent. Honesty serves no purpose if you are not good enough.

Anyway, if Imran was honest he would not be running away from his foreign funding case for years and he would have not have used crooks like JKT as the financier of his election campaign.

The foreign funding case is actually a major scandal but the media have been instructed to keep a lid on it while PTI have plead with ECP to not make the findings public.

“ECP rejects PTI applications for secrecy in scrutiny of foreign funding”

The Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) on Thursday rejected four applications filed by the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) seeking secrecy during the scrutiny of its foreign funding sources.

A three-judge bench headed by Chief Election Commissioner Sardar Mohammad Raza also instructed the scrutiny committee to continue its work and instructed PTI representatives to appear before the committee on Oct 14.

PTI’s founding member Akbar S. Babar had filed the case in 2014, alleging that nearly $3 million in illegal foreign funds were collected through two offshore companies and that money was sent through illegal 'hundi' channels from the Middle East to accounts of 'PTI employees'.

He had also alleged that the foreign accounts used to collect funds were concealed from the annual audit reports submitted to the ECP.

Dissident founding member of the PTI Babar had filed the foreign funding case before the ECP in 2014 after he developed differences with PTI Chairman Imran Khan over alleged internal corruption and abuse of laws governing political funding.

For over a year, the proceedings of the case were delayed in the ECP as PTI had filed a writ petition in October 2015 in the Islamabad High Court seeking to restrain the ECP from scrutinising its accounts.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1510077/e...ns-for-secrecy-in-scrutiny-of-foreign-funding

If Imran Khan/PTI were as honest as they claim to be, why are they demanding secrecy in investigation and why did they attempt to restrain the ECP from scrutinizing it’s accounts?

If Imran and PTI had no skeletons in the closet, they would have used this opportunity to solidify the claim that they are incorruptible. Make all the findings public and allow the ECP to scrutinize their accounts since they are crystal clear with nothing fishy.

Furthermore, he has welcomed corrupt politicians in his party to benefit from their vote banks. He lowered his moral compass and compromised his ethics when he welcomed these turncoat politicians because of the excuse/justification that you cannot win elections without these tried and tested politicians.

Pervez Khattak is one of the most corrupt politicians in Pakistan and he was CM KP for 5 years and is now the Minister of Defense. No doubt it is the most useless ministry in the country and the COAS probably doesn’t even “brief” the poor guy, but he still a minister in spite of all the corruption that he has done before and after joining PTI.

Imran Khan and PTI are not honest by any means and the foreign funding case (which is currently being archived in the GHQ) will be used against him once the military establishment find a new puppet PM to serve their interests.

PTI is actually worse than other parties because they have scammed the nation like no other party. Their entire manifesto was political existence hinged on their claim that they were in incorruptible and will spur real change in the country.

None of that has of course happened. We saw it in KP first and now we are seeing it at the federal level. COVID is only a convenient excuse for PTI’s failures. This country is going nowhere under this pseudo-democracy where the military brass are still calling the shots while Imran is only left to obsess with India.

As long as the military holds the real power in the country, it doesn’t matter which so-called democratically elected government is in so-called power.

 

[Extra_Cover]

All three are equally useless because they are incompetent. Honesty serves no purpose if you are not good enough.

Anyway, if Imran was honest he would not be running away from his foreign funding case for years and he would have not have used crooks like JKT as the financier of his election campaign.

The foreign funding case is actually a major scandal but the media have been instructed to keep a lid on it while PTI have plead with ECP to not make the findings public.

“ECP rejects PTI applications for secrecy in scrutiny of foreign funding”



https://www.dawn.com/news/1510077/e...ns-for-secrecy-in-scrutiny-of-foreign-funding

If Imran Khan/PTI were as honest as they claim to be, why are they demanding secrecy in investigation and why did they attempt to restrain the ECP from scrutinizing it’s accounts?

If Imran and PTI had no skeletons in the closet, they would have used this opportunity to solidify the claim that they are incorruptible. Make all the findings public and allow the ECP to scrutinize their accounts since they are crystal clear with nothing fishy.

Furthermore, he has welcomed corrupt politicians in his party to benefit from their vote banks. He lowered his moral compass and compromised his ethics when he welcomed these turncoat politicians because of the excuse/justification that you cannot win elections without these tried and tested politicians.

Pervez Khattak is one of the most corrupt politicians in Pakistan and he was CM KP for 5 years and is now the Minister of Defense. No doubt it is the most useless ministry in the country and the COAS probably doesn’t even “brief” the poor guy, but he still a minister in spite of all the corruption that he has done before and after joining PTI.

Imran Khan and PTI are not honest by any means and the foreign funding case (which is currently being archived in the GHQ) will be used against him once the military establishment find a new puppet PM to serve their interests.

PTI is actually worse than other parties because they have scammed the nation like no other party. Their entire manifesto was political existence hinged on their claim that they were in incorruptible and will spur real change in the country.

None of that has of course happened. We saw it in KP first and now we are seeing it at the federal level. COVID is only a convenient excuse for PTI’s failures. This country is going nowhere under this pseudo-democracy where the military brass are still calling the shots while Imran is only left to obsess with India.

As long as the military holds the real power in the country, it doesn’t matter which so-called democratically elected government is in so-called power.

This is a long post without any real substance. Its the rinse and repeat mantra of doomsday where nothing is right or ever will be right. I know you like to criticize most of things associated with Pakistan but that ain't a constructive criticism its like we are finished as a community and should simply give up on everything in life. This sort of attitude ain't great for your mental health as it can build up over the years turning criticism into hatred into blind hatred. Don't give up on Pakistan live and let live.

As far as the critics of PTI is concerned you would come across most of their supporters objective rather than subjective where they can differentiate between black and white. On that topic, I agree the influx of low standard/corrupt politicians into the party should not have happened and they should not be holding ministries. However, as long as Imran is at the top there is a sense of accountability and responsibility as these are things you associate with Imran and that is how his vote banks view him.

On other topics like why is Imran running from the foreign funding case. Then I'm sure even you would acknowledge that he is not answerable to you or the media, he is answerable to the courts which he is doing and has done previously too. This is a hunch on which you are building up your opinion and passing on as a fact that something corrupt has happened however you neither anyone else have any shred of evidence. Given the scrutiny laid upon him by dirty political hawks any financial corrupt practice in here would have flouted very strongly if it existed.

On military running the country, this is like a record played and discussed to the core. What you said is your opinion and you cannot prove that as a fact. My opinion in here is that Pakistan has truly become democratic very very recently from 2008 onwards when PP came into power after BB assasination. So in 70+ years of Pakistan existence it was mainly ruled by military power up until 2006/7 which is more than 60 years. While democracy only had 10+ years so far. Things are improving fast and we have seen accession from one democratic party to another in the last decade. Given long history of military rule it would take time to transfer complete power to the ruling parties however I must admit that military of Pakistan has played less and less role into all subject matters except for security with every passing year. This is very encouraging sign and quite frankly I'm very pleased how democracy in Pakistan has evolved in the past decade or so.

Constructive criticism is good, blind hatred is bad for health.

 

[srh]

Think problem is with the video in Post#1 that its he who set the high moral tone.

another foot in the mouth incident which he is famous for