[VIDEO] "The current system in Pakistan is stopping the talent from coming through" : PM Imran Khan

[Abdullah719]

[VIDEO] "The current system in Pakistan is stopping the talent from coming through" : PM Imran Khan

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan "the current system in Pakistan is stopping the talent from coming through and we must change that" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/0MIxJtlNjv">pic.twitter.com/0MIxJtlNjv</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1125485426477813760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Savak]

Lol, Imran Khan is in no mood to be blackmailed by Javed Miandad

 

[Titan24]

I agree system needs to be improved and it requires some drastic changes and that too pretty quickly.

 

[Zhasan]

Lol, Imran Khan is in no mood to be blackmailed by Javed Miandad

Pray tell how getting rid of Departments will accomplish that.

The biggest source of stifling of merit/talent is at in regional and city teams.

 

[Hawkeye]

Pray tell how getting rid of Departments will accomplish that.

The biggest source of stifling of merit/talent is at in regional and city teams.

Unfortunately, that bolded part is true.

In general, I agree that teams should be region based. But, nothing will improve if the coaches and selectors are the same.

If they're same oldies on PCB payroll, corrupt to the core at a lower level, nothing will happen.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Totally disagree &#55357;&#56398;&#55356;&#57340; with <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> bhai!! &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;Departmental Cricket is and WILL Remain be the ONLY STRUCTURE With &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; REGIONAL CRICKET Together with it&#55357;&#56397;&#55356;&#57339;!! Time will tell that How Important Departmental Cricket is انشاللہ! Will Pray for a U TURN انشاللہ in this <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ramzan2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ramzan2019</a> <a href="https://t.co/MYuSahSUDC">https://t.co/MYuSahSUDC</a></p>— Faisal Iqbal&#55356;&#57295;&#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; (@FaisalIqbalCric) <a href="https://twitter.com/FaisalIqbalCric/status/1125479950365200384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[waleed88]

Opposition leader Imran Khan criticizing the government and PCB in stifling merit of cricketers in the Departmental cricket structure.. asks for resignation of the PCB chairman )

 

[waleed88]

Imran Khan praising the PSL now calling out Quetta's representation when he had choice words to say about the players playing in Quetta and Peshawar before and those that visited Pakistan to play the final

 

[Titan24]

In which other country departments own this much number of teams and completely manage them? None.

Why? Because all those departments, organizations or corporations interested in investing in cricket invest in regions or franchises as a sponsor, they dont manage the teams in any way as it can create conflict of interest and merit might be sacrificed.

If a proper system is put in place than top 120-150 players of Pakistan will be earning much more than they currently do and currently they are treated the same way as the rest of 300-500 cricketers playing FC.

You want to see a structure where top players of the country a well paid and play competitive cricket.

 

[waleed88]

I would like to see what the current cricketers have a say on this like Misbah ul Haq and Younis Khan who have been affiliated with these departments for a while. Why haven't they come out and spoken against them?

 

[Savak]

Pray tell how getting rid of Departments will accomplish that.

The biggest source of stifling of merit/talent is at in regional and city teams.

No one is getting rid of departments, departments can be there, they just need to take over the regions and have a regional team now.

 

[ElRaja]

imran khans vision is sound, but only if tier 2 cricket in pakistan is strengthened greatly. 6 regional teams will only work when there is a competitive grade two intra-regional competition to choose from.

if each region has six subdivisions thats roughly 500 professional cricketers in the grade 2 net which would be about right for pak imho.

the real issue would be in making it viable to have 500 cricketers financially supported in the current system because unless the second tier is professionalised the top tier will not be a mertiocracy, but see patronage and nepotism keep certain players who would be desperate to earn a living from the grade 1 competition.

in an ideal world the grade 1 competition would not be contract based, but you would get paid based on performance and selection by game, with each region free to chop and change any cricketer from its catchment tier 2 teams from game to game.

 

[gazza619]

I guess let him try this for 2/3 years

 

[MMHS]

Why can't they run two tournaments simultaneously?

Quaid E Azam Trophy of FC status, with 24 Corporate teams, in 2 Divisions National Cricket League (NCL), with 6 Regional Teams picking best available 12 X 6 = 72 players from Corporate (QeA) League.

Idea is that NCL will be played for 5 days and for each round, 12 X 6 = 72, players will be named by 6 Regions, rest are free for Corporate League (QeA), starting 2 days later, to be played for 4 days (which is also FC status). FC Season to be extended to 6 months with proper spacing. That ensures best players are playing at the highest level and fringe players can push them constantly from a tier lower league. Same goes for List A as well - 2 simultaneous leagues, while PSL & NT20 leagues are fine just as it is now.

PAK's biggest problem now is that players are playing too many soft games, which makes them look like in between Andrew Flintoff to Imran Khan in FC cricket .... then they end up like fast bowling all-rounder Faheem Ashraf in Internationals, unless it's against ZIM reserves. Even last week Saad Ali smashed a pair of hundreds (one is double), in a Final, when instead of wasting sweat bashing club cricketers he should be spending that time brawling it out with fellow National fringe players or in academy nets to keep Azhar, Haris & Asad on toes for their Test spots.

 

[wrongun]

For years I hear criticism of Pakistani domestic cricket on here & how the gap is too big.

Someone finally comes in and actually makes a major change instead of tiddlywinks fiddling & everyone cries.

Less teams will force the regions to become competitive or shrivel. The more mickey mouse cricket you have, the more room for nepotism & less money actually being funnelled to where it needs to go & the less useful this "top level" cricket is.

Get serious, get modern, allow a change from this archaic method which has not proven competitive in Test cricket for 30 years now.
When was the last world class Pakistani Test batsman produced by this system?

When was the last 200 Test wicket pacer produced by this system?

A single 200 wicket spinner debuted in the last 15 years (Yasir) or does Kaneria sneak in, I'm not sure.

The system is broke. Allow it to be fixed. Carrying on with it is the definition of insanity.

Why are you holding onto it? So club level cricketers can get cushy department jobs & lower the standard of your FC cricket? How about they earn their jobs through merit & play cricket as a hobby & the REAL talented cricketers are the only ones who make a good living out of it & play professionally, the top 100 or so?

 

[JattMaula]

For years I hear criticism of Pakistani domestic cricket on here & how the gap is too big.

Someone finally comes in and actually makes a major change instead of tiddlywinks fiddling & everyone cries.

Less teams will force the regions to become competitive or shrivel. The more mickey mouse cricket you have, the more room for nepotism & less money actually being funnelled to where it needs to go & the less useful this "top level" cricket is.

Get serious, get modern, allow a change from this archaic method which has not proven competitive in Test cricket for 30 years now.
When was the last world class Pakistani Test batsman produced by this system?

When was the last 200 Test wicket pacer produced by this system?

A single 200 wicket spinner debuted in the last 15 years (Yasir) or does Kaneria sneak in, I'm not sure.

The system is broke. Allow it to be fixed. Carrying on with it is the definition of insanity.

Why are you holding onto it? So club level cricketers can get cushy department jobs & lower the standard of your FC cricket? How about they earn their jobs through merit & play cricket as a hobby & the REAL talented cricketers are the only ones who make a good living out of it & play professionally, the top 100 or so?

This system has produced the greatest sporting miracles of all times. Producing world cup winning sides despite multiple crippling setbacks.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

No harm in trying, we have changed the system so many times in the past 2 decades so why not.

 

[wrongun]

This system has produced the greatest sporting miracles of all times. Producing world cup winning sides despite multiple crippling setbacks.

I am saying it was fine for cricket 30 years ago, but you need to modernise. Or face a future like the WI when they were left behind & took decades to catch back up.

If you want to rest on T20 performances - it's probably ok.

If you want Test success, change it.

I notice you can't point to a single world class Test player beyond Yasir who was able to sustain success...

 

[aukhan]

Provide an alternative first. Imran is deluded and doesn't understand the ground reality one bit. Departmental cricket provides better financial resources to domestic cricketers who unlike Imran are not from privileged background.

 

[Pakpak]

This system has produced the greatest sporting miracles of all times. Producing world cup winning sides despite multiple crippling setbacks.

Not really. Wasim, Waqar, Inzi etc had never played any sort of first class. They were brought in directly by Imran Khan himself as he knew what garbage our system was. The only one decent in recent years has been Babar and maybe Haris.

 

[waleed88]

Not really. Wasim, Waqar, Inzi etc had never played any sort of first class. They were brought in directly by Imran Khan himself as he knew what garbage our system was. The only one decent in recent years has been Babar and maybe Haris.

Wasim Waqar and Inzi were brought by Imran directly? Please go over the history again.

Their 'discovery' wasn't by Imran. They were groomed by Imran..

 

[waleed88]

Provide an alternative first. Imran is deluded and doesn't understand the ground reality one bit. Departmental cricket provides better financial resources to domestic cricketers who unlike Imran are not from privileged background.

This is so true. Agreed

 

[MMHS]

Not really. Wasim, Waqar, Inzi etc had never played any sort of first class. They were brought in directly by Imran Khan himself as he knew what garbage our system was. The only one decent in recent years has been Babar and maybe Haris.

Inzamam played 6 seasons of First Class cricket before being debuted by PAK. He started FC career as a baby, at 15. Wasim was a genuine unknown pick - his 2nd FC game was a Test match; in fact FC debut was against touring NZ team - but that credit entirely goes to Javed, Khan was living in London those days, nursing his injury. WY can be termed as a surprise pick, but he also played few FC games before being picked from a local game.

The system now actually is much better than 3-4 decades back, but that time two things worked - County window and focus/value to U19 cricket. Players born as 3-7 years old were picked for national team in their “teens” almost directly from U16-U19 cricket and many of them learned to swim straight into lake.... few even learned to cross English Channel within few months, because they were thrown into sea at an age when their body responded and learning curve was at higher ebb.

Now, apart from County window, the other problem is that PCB thinks too big of their system than it actually is, so trying it in a “methodical” way - that’s 23-25 years old teen agers making FC debut, then getting mature in that system for 6-7 years, then they are picked for A teams, then to squad .... finally in playing XI when certificate tells that they are almost like 29 years old youngsta buti. By that time every natural asset that someone is born with are biologically almost expired for a pro sportsman and they have added lots of bad habits, which are beyond fixing. It’s like drive test in Canada - immigrants driving cars for 2 decades in South Asia hardly passes G2 at 1st go because they come with lots, lots of bad habits after driving in Dhaka, Mumbai or Karachi .... but their kids/wife actually pass it often at 1st chance because they learn it 1st time proper way & don't get their driving spoiled with bad habits that their dad/hubby inherits from past experience.

 

[Pakpak]

Wasim Waqar and Inzi were brought by Imran directly? Please go over the history again.

Their 'discovery' wasn't by Imran. They were groomed by Imran..

Without playing any proper first class cricket. Which was my entire point.

 

[Zhasan]

No one is getting rid of departments, departments can be there, they just need to take over the regions and have a regional team now.

Department, rather any investor who would be willing to do that will need full control and rightly so since it's their money on the line. Good luck getting the regions to relinquish.

Khan sahab is struggling to reign in his own cabinet, the babays of the regions entrenched for decades if not longer will run circles around him in litigation.

 

[Zhasan]

Wasim Waqar and Inzi were brought by Imran directly? Please go over the history again.

Their 'discovery' wasn't by Imran. They were groomed by Imran..

Oh bhai let's all dispense of this myth once and for all...

Imran had nothing to do with Wasim's selection. It was Miandad the real man with an eye for talent who picked him from the nets just as he did with Tauseef Ahmed, neither of whom played any first class prior.

Also, Inzi was identified by Waqar and Muddassar and they both pushed for his selection.

Waqar is the only talent that Imran discovered on his own.

 

[Canistani Hero]

Time from talking is gone. Imran needs to be implement some changes before his tenure is over

 

[Savak]

Oh bhai let's all dispense of this myth once and for all...

Imran had nothing to do with Wasim's selection. It was Miandad the real man with an eye for talent who picked him from the nets just as he did with Tauseef Ahmed, neither of whom played any first class prior.

Also, Inzi was identified by Waqar and Muddassar and they both pushed for his selection.

Waqar is the only talent that Imran discovered on his own.

IK pushed for Inzi's selection and had even threatened to resign if he didn't get his way, in fact one of the selectors resigned when Imran got his way and the rest is history.

 

[shaz619]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Totally disagree ���� with <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a> bhai!! ����Departmental Cricket is and WILL Remain be the ONLY STRUCTURE With ���� REGIONAL CRICKET Together with it����!! Time will tell that How Important Departmental Cricket is انشاللہ! Will Pray for a U TURN انشاللہ in this <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ramzan2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ramzan2019</a> <a href="https://t.co/MYuSahSUDC">https://t.co/MYuSahSUDC</a></p>— Faisal Iqbal������ (@FaisalIqbalCric) <a href="https://twitter.com/FaisalIqbalCric/status/1125479950365200384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 6, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Imran must be right when you rile up hacks like Faisal Iqbal who is probably worried about his free loading

 

[FreePalestine]

I am saying it was fine for cricket 30 years ago, but you need to modernise. Or face a future like the WI when they were left behind & took decades to catch back up.

If you want to rest on T20 performances - it's probably ok.

If you want Test success, change it.

I notice you can't point to a single world class Test player beyond Yasir who was able to sustain success...

So you think Pakistan hasn’t produced any world class test players in the last thirty years? I.e. players who played most of their cricket post-1989? Do you really think we haven’t produced any apart from Yasir Shah? Here are a few off the top of my head:

Saeed Anwar (Debut 1988?)
Inzamam ul Haq
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Younis Khan
Misbah ul Haq
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif (you said produced, what he did with his talent is his own business)
Mohammad Amir
Saeed Ajmal
Saqlain Mushtaq
Yousuf Youhanna
Abdul Razzaq

 

[FreePalestine]

Scratch Wasim Akram from there as he debuted earlier.

 

[PakLFC]

He has said this numerous times. Do something about it then Mr PM.

 

[Syed1]

Khan sahab less talky talky and more walky walky please

 

[Zhasan]

IK pushed for Inzi's selection and had even threatened to resign if he didn't get his way, in fact one of the selectors resigned when Imran got his way and the rest is history.

Only after Waqar and Mudasser had identified the talent and brought him to Pakistan nets.

 

[umerafzaal12]

How many of them are batsman.? Inzamam was hand picked by Imran Khan before the world cup.

 

[waleed88]

Oh bhai let's all dispense of this myth once and for all...

Imran had nothing to do with Wasim's selection. It was Miandad the real man with an eye for talent who picked him from the nets just as he did with Tauseef Ahmed, neither of whom played any first class prior.

Also, Inzi was identified by Waqar and Muddassar and they both pushed for his selection.

Waqar is the only talent that Imran discovered on his own.

Actually Imran saw Waqar when he was watching a local tournament on TV and he was called over.
But it wasn't as if Waqar was an unknown commodity. So even he wasn't 'discovered' by Imran as per the myth.

 

[Savak]

Actually Imran saw Waqar when he was watching a local tournament on TV and he was called over.
But it wasn't as if Waqar was an unknown commodity. So even he wasn't 'discovered' by Imran as per the myth.

Given how so many players rot in Pakistan's domestic cricket and never got called up, Waqar may never have played for Pakistan had it not been for Imran. Heck if Imran had seen Sadaf Hussain, he would have picked him asap

 

[waleed88]

Given how so many players rot in Pakistan's domestic cricket and never got called up, Waqar may never have played for Pakistan had it not been for Imran. Heck if Imran had seen Sadaf Hussain, he would have picked him asap

Imran also saw alot of players that did make it but weren't successful. So for all the names Imran has been credited with giving Pakistan cricket, he was not infallible.

Mansoor Akhtar was not the next Viv Richards for e.g

Plus its funny how people give credit to Imran Khan for stuff that he didn't even do, like 'discovering' these names.

 

[waleed88]

Given how so many players rot in Pakistan's domestic cricket and never got called up, Waqar may never have played for Pakistan had it not been for Imran. Heck if Imran had seen Sadaf Hussain, he would have picked him asap

I don't remember the story exactly, but Imran was told by someone to watch this guy bowling in the final of some tournament on TV... Waqar already had a reputation before Khan saw him on TV.

 

[azimiqbal]

Look some people on here are deluded,
Just cause we have produced some world class cricketers does not mean our system is fine.

These cricketers produced are an anomaly and not due to the System.

The point made regarding department cricket supporting players financially is a viable argument, however why can’t these banks continue sponsoring regional teams once the change has been made.

I am pretty sure with this new structure the salary and earnings available via this new system will be a lot more beneficial too first class players.

It will also bridge the gap between first class cricket and international cricket.
So when a player takes the step into international cricket , he will be more prepared and have a higher chance of succeeding.

The system will also bring back interest into the first class cricket as people identity with Karachi or Lahore rather then habib bank and PIA.

The most important aspect in order to make this new system work is too have honest and reliable people heading the selection and running of the region teams.

Without those people it does not matter what system we have . We continue to struggle and never prosper

 

[Savak]

Look some people on here are deluded,
Just cause we have produced some world class cricketers does not mean our system is fine.

These cricketers produced are an anomaly and not due to the System.

The point made regarding department cricket supporting players financially is a viable argument, however why can’t these banks continue sponsoring regional teams once the change has been made.

I am pretty sure with this new structure the salary and earnings available via this new system will be a lot more beneficial too first class players.

It will also bridge the gap between first class cricket and international cricket.
So when a player takes the step into international cricket , he will be more prepared and have a higher chance of succeeding.

The system will also bring back interest into the first class cricket as people identity with Karachi or Lahore rather then habib bank and PIA.

The most important aspect in order to make this new system work is too have honest and reliable people heading the selection and running of the region teams.

Without those people it does not matter what system we have . We continue to struggle and never prosper

These ex test cricketers don't want to lose their privilleges of being paid a VP level salary by their departments and the current players don't want to lose getting a monthly salary.

The PCB needs to encourage the departments to continue to support the players this way but to take over the administrative, financial control of the region. The model is perfectly workable just as we have seen the PSL.

 

[Savak]

Mushtaq Ahmed supports Imran Khan's regional cricket vision

Must admit i was surprised to see him support Imran Khan's vision. Lol he even went a step further by saying that the major reason behind the destruction of national institutions is because of political hirings on permanent jobs, the fact that people become lazy, redundant upon getting permanent jobs and knowing they won't be fired. He even mentioned during his time at the PCB, there was no concept or culture of performance appraisal which is shocking and no wonder the mafia inside the PCB is trying to make life hell for Wasim Khan.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Finally.