[VIDEO] Understanding Denmark's growing anti-immigration stance

[JaDed]

Denmark's Identity Crisis: Denmark has long had a reputation for welcoming migrants and protecting its minorities. But these days there are fractures in this once cohesive society.

“What is Danish?” asks comedian Ellie Jokar. Born in Iran, now a Dane, Ellie struggles to understand why her once friendly country has pulled up the welcome mat. Hamish Macdonald explores a nation having an identity crisis.

 

[JaDed]

Highly offensive and clearly I feel South Asians are much more tolerable than Europeans as such, of course its just my opinion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Natives of every country have the right to decide whether they want foreign immigrants or not.In most cases its the natives who have created a country that is now attractive to immigrants.

 

[Justcrazy]

Natives of every country have the right to decide whether they want foreign immigrants or not.In most cases its the natives who have created a country that is now attractive to immigrants.

Yes , off course the country has right to decide the kind of immigrants they want and restrict according to certain parameters they make. But once the choose, and people come in , and become naturalized, they should not be treated as second class citizens.

 

[JaDed]

Natives of every country have the right to decide whether they want foreign immigrants or not.In most cases its the natives who have created a country that is now attractive to immigrants.

If you saw the video , the guy was not ready to accept immigrants that were born in Denmark are you saying its their fault their parents chose to migrate to Denmark when Denmark’s immigration policy allowed them?

 

[Chrish]

Situation in Sweden has to do with that..

 

[AdamM97]

Natives of every country have the right to decide whether they want foreign immigrants or not. In most cases its the natives who have created a country that is now attractive to immigrants.

If not for the immigrants, the Europeans would’ve never managed to rebuild their nations after WWII.

The Europeans asked immigrants to come and help rebuild their nation.

 

[AdamM97]

Situation in Sweden has to do with that..

Elaborate please.

 

[Chrish]

Elaborate please.

Class divide and tensions among ethnic Swedes and migrants/ refugees from Syria/ Iraq/ Afghanistan..

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If not for the immigrants, the Europeans would’ve never managed to rebuild their nations after WWII.

The Europeans asked immigrants to come and help rebuild their nation.

Don't expect him to understand. In his defence, he's never lived in a cosmopolitan country, probably scared of change like those back country types you see in some US and British dramas.

Try asking how many Americans would prefer to live in Arizona to California and you would get an idea where he's coming from.

 

[JaDed]

Highly offensive and clearly I feel South Asians are much more tolerable than Europeans as such, of course its just my opinion.

Tolerant*

 

[Chrish]

Highly offensive and clearly I feel South Asians are much more tolerable than Europeans as such, of course its just my opinion.

Well, South Asian countries aren't doing well so there is no immigration to these places.

Now if they were developed countries like US or Europe, then attitude would be entirely different about people coming into your country and "taking away your jobs".

 

[humzy]

Highly offensive and clearly I feel South Asians are much more tolerable than Europeans as such, of course its just my opinion.

Have you lived in a European country for you to have that opinion?

Every area of Sydney that has been overrun by South Asians ends up being one of the worst areas within 10 years.

 

[Patriot]

It works both ways. If someone legally enters a country then that person should be treated equally. However, those who do enter legally should behave and respect the laws and culture of the country they are in.

There are a lot of issues from both sides. People mistreating migrants and migrants misbehaving.

 

[Technics 1210]

Why are you shocked by this? Europe is responsible for 2 of the deadliest World Wars, not counting all other skirmishes, battles, and wars. You think a political ideology like EU will remove all traces of fascism and racism in Europe? No. It only made matters worse.

Europe has NEVER been known to be accommodating, the only reason Europe appealed on immigrants was to rebuild their continent after World War 2. Now the rebuilding has been done, Europe is back to what it did best, fascism, racism, and war.

 

[JaDed]

Well, South Asian countries aren't doing well so there is no immigration to these places.

Now if they were developed countries like US or Europe, then attitude would be entirely different about people coming into your country and "taking away your jobs".

South Asians already have huge ethnic diversity, Barcelona doesn’t even want to be in Spain, that should give you an idea as to how Europe functions overall, I don’t think they will assimilate..

 

[JaDed]

Have you lived in a European country for you to have that opinion?

Every area of Sydney that has been overrun by South Asians ends up being one of the worst areas within 10 years.

Ok.. but thats like saying you can’t judge anything without living there , there are so many such videos of fascism in Europe, the video is from a major city.

Also Aus and Canada, UK, Usa has proved they can take in so many immigrants and become powerful, sad if thats the case in Sydney..

 

[HEYY]

Makes sense, you will never preserve your local culture if you take in refugees and immigrants that don't share your values.

 

[Cypher]

Well, South Asian countries aren't doing well so there is no immigration to these places.

Now if they were developed countries like US or Europe, then attitude would be entirely different about people coming into your country and "taking away your jobs".

Look at how many refugees are living in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
It's better to research before talking

 

[Cypher]

Pakistan holds 6 million Afghan refugees.
SIX million
That's the second highest for any country. Turkey tops the list

 

[Danyaalr01]

Don't know about Europe but the immigrant populations in NZ are quite prosperous. Half or more than half the doctors in Auckland are immigrants/2nd generation.

Not trying to be racist but our most troublesome people are the polynesian immigrants (who started coming in the 50s as skilled laborers) and a small proportion of our white population (some of the typical old white men who don't know when to shut up).

The White's aren't the native population and are treated like any other person. The Maori's are the natives and they are given special treatment. I have never encountered a racist person in 18 years and have never seen a racist politician (except our deputy PM who has had his racist moments a decade ago, but everyone agrees he's a nutcase).

It's all about selecting your immigrants correctly, which Europe obviously hasn't done well.

 

[Chrish]

South Asians already have huge ethnic diversity, Barcelona doesn’t even want to be in Spain, that should give you an idea as to how Europe functions overall, I don’t think they will assimilate..

The ethnic diversity are your own people. People of different race from other countries aren’t immigrating in massive numbers to stay permanently in Asian counties.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Makes sense, you will never preserve your local culture if you take in refugees and immigrants that don't share your values.

For some context, where are you living right now? Which country would you prefer to live in given the choice?

 

[Knight_Rider]

Natives of every country have the right to decide whether they want foreign immigrants or not.In most cases its the natives who have created a country that is now attractive to immigrants.

There was a time when these same Danish natives where raiding all other neighbouring countries and killing masses of people. I was once in a History museum in Stockholm and the documentaries they had about Danish Viking war lords were horrendous. Worst than animals. Same Danes forcefully imposed Danelaw in England (not too many Centuries ago)

Compared to them, the current migrants in Denmark are much more peaceful and law abiding. Not trying to conquer anything by killing anyone. Migration for economic reasons is a justifiable thing in todays global economy. Not accepting it just means burying your head in tne sand.

 

[AdamM97]

Class divide and tensions among ethnic Swedes and migrants/ refugees from Syria/ Iraq/ Afghanistan..

As someone who lives in Sweden, i can assure you that much of what you hear about Sweden in international media is exaggerated.

There are some issues with regards to migrants and refugees (mostly about petty crimes and sexual harassment) but the relations between immigrants/children of immigrants and ethnic swedes is mostly peaceful.

Foreign media makes it sound like there is a civil war between Swedes and migrants.

However, Sweden has taken in more refugees than it can afford, even left-wing parties are starting to realize this.

 

[AdamM97]

Don't expect him to understand. In his defence, he's never lived in a cosmopolitan country, probably scared of change like those back country types you see in some US and British dramas.

Try asking how many Americans would prefer to live in Arizona to California and you would get an idea where he's coming from.

Most people don’t realize that it was the european countries that WANTED immigrants to work as labour-migrants in the first place.

 

[Chrish]

As someone who lives in Sweden, i can assure you that much of what you hear about Sweden in international media is exaggerated.

There are some issues with regards to migrants and refugees (mostly about petty crimes and sexual harassment) but the relations between immigrants/children of immigrants and ethnic swedes is mostly peaceful.

Foreign media makes it sound like there is a civil war between Swedes and migrants.

However, Sweden has taken in more refugees than it can afford, even left-wing parties are starting to realize this.

I have a good understanding of the situation. However, people would see what they want to see. And everyone in Europe is paying close attention to Sweden. So it’s natural that Denmark being their neighbor would get influenced.

Even our beloved Trump has used Sweden as an example of what a failed immigration state looks likes to influence right wingers.

 

[humzy]

Ok.. but thats like saying you can’t judge anything without living there , there are so many such videos of fascism in Europe, the video is from a major city.

Also Aus and Canada, UK, Usa has proved they can take in so many immigrants and become powerful, sad if thats the case in Sydney..

There is also videos of racism in Australia but if you actually come to Sydney you realise very quickly that it is a tiny minority that makes the news often because drama/controversy is entertaining.

How many documentaries are there of poverty and filth from India yet common sense would tell me that the whole country isn't like that, its just what is interesting for documentary makers to use.

AUS, Canada, UK are powerful due to their secular democratic system.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Why are you shocked by this? Europe is responsible for 2 of the deadliest World Wars, not counting all other skirmishes, battles, and wars. You think a political ideology like EU will remove all traces of fascism and racism in Europe? No. It only made matters worse.

Europe has NEVER been known to be accommodating, the only reason Europe appealed on immigrants was to rebuild their continent after World War 2. Now the rebuilding has been done, Europe is back to what it did best, fascism, racism, and war.

Nah. IMO it's all about maco-economy/demographics.

Europeans are getting older.

Here is a map or the EU comparing number of children from 50 years ago:

Spoiler

To add: "native" European mothers are not having children and if they are having them, it is after 30-something.

All these neo-fascist people can cry a river. To maintain and improve social welfare EU needs more and more workers as decades pass by. It is as simple as that. How else are they gonna pay pensions if there won't be younger generations working? Where will Mama Merkel sell her cars if there won't be more and more drivers?

Immigration is the easiest answer to all these questions. People who run countries don't care about "identities".

 

[Pakistanian]

There is also videos of racism in Australia but if you actually come to Sydney you realise very quickly that it is a tiny minority that makes the news often because drama/controversy is entertaining.

How many documentaries are there of poverty and filth from India yet common sense would tell me that the whole country isn't like that, its just what is interesting for documentary makers to use.

AUS, Canada, UK are powerful due to their secular democratic system.

Casual street racism in Oz isn't the issue, the long history of systematic racism is the biggest problem. Australia's offshore immigrant detention centers are appalling, they started it way before even Trump came to office and did the same in America.

 

[Pakistanian]

Have you lived in a European country for you to have that opinion?

Every area of Sydney that has been overrun by South Asians ends up being one of the worst areas within 10 years.

and what exactly are you? lol.

The self-hate is strong.

 

[humzy]

and what exactly are you? lol.

The self-hate is strong.

I am Australian born and raised, what are you? Let me guess, confused.

 

[humzy]

Casual street racism in Oz isn't the issue, the long history of systematic racism is the biggest problem. Australia's offshore immigrant detention centers are appalling, they started it way before even Trump came to office and did the same in America.

Name a country that doesn't have a strong history of systematic racism, i'll wait.

 

[Gilly]

Casual street racism in Oz isn't the issue, the long history of systematic racism is the biggest problem. Australia's offshore immigrant detention centers are appalling, they started it way before even Trump came to office and did the same in America.

What exactaly is appalling, they have sanitary conditions, access to medical services and doctors including flights to the mainland if required, wholesome fresh food, clean water and buildings for shelter including bedding and TV.

The refugee shelters in Australia are far superior to those supplied by almost every other country.

 

[Knight_Rider]

While flying from Perth to Sydney, in plane there was a documentary about How the local aborigines in Northern Australia were hoarded like Animals (using Fires in their settlements) to clear up the area for Britain to conduct nuclear tests. If I remember correctly it’s wasn’t too long ago (in 60s).

First time i saw humans literally treated like Cattle. Institutional racism “was” speciality of British and their off spring like Australians. Back in the days of british raj, the British officers clubs didnt even allow Portugese because they were not properly white.

 

[Gilly]

While flying from Perth to Sydney, in plane there was a documentary about How the local aborigines in Northern Australia were hoarded like Animals (using Fires in their settlements) to clear up the area for Britain to conduct nuclear tests. If I remember correctly it’s wasn’t too long ago (in 60s).

First time i saw humans literally treated like Cattle. Institutional racism “was” speciality of British and their off spring like Australians. Back in the days of british raj, the British officers clubs didnt even allow Portugese because they were not properly white.

Things like this are still happening today, Indonesia is wiping out the West Papauns and no one cares in the least.

 

[Gilly]

Read this and check the link and you will see how West Papauns are treated by the Indonesians.

Warning some pictures may unsettle some people.

Human Rights
WARNING – the following article contains some disturbing images.

Ever since the invasion of West Papua over fifty years ago, the Indonesian security forces have committed a never ending catalogue of extreme human rights violations.

Over 500,000 civilians have been killed in a genocide against the indigenous population. Thousands more have been raped, tortured, imprisoned or ‘disappeared’ after being detained. Basic human rights such as freedom of speech are denied and Papuans live in a constant state of fear and intimidation.
https://www.freewestpapua.org/info/human-rights/

 

[humzy]

While flying from Perth to Sydney, in plane there was a documentary about How the local aborigines in Northern Australia were hoarded like Animals (using Fires in their settlements) to clear up the area for Britain to conduct nuclear tests. If I remember correctly it’s wasn’t too long ago (in 60s).

First time i saw humans literally treated like Cattle. Institutional racism “was” speciality of British and their off spring like Australians. Back in the days of british raj, the British officers clubs didnt even allow Portugese because they were not properly white.

Australia's treatment of the indigenous was appalling and there is still a reconciliation which needs to occur.

But to claim this is a speciality of the British/Australians is incorrect, this was a trait of all imperialist nations.

 

[humzy]

What exactaly is appalling, they have sanitary conditions, access to medical services and doctors including flights to the mainland if required, wholesome fresh food, clean water and buildings for shelter including bedding and TV.

The refugee shelters in Australia are far superior to those supplied by almost every other country.

They want Australia to let everyone in who comes through illegally, even if the majority of them are men who are wealthy enough to pay their way to Indonesia and then onto these ships. The real refugees who actually need help haven't got the means to get out.

 

[Gilly]

They want Australia to let everyone in who comes through illegally, even if the majority of them are men who are wealthy enough to pay their way to Indonesia and then onto these ships. The real refugees who actually need help haven't got the means to get out.

Australia take in 30-50,000 legal refugees per year. So Australia does its bit regardless of what propaganda the uneducated fall for.

 

[the Great Khan]

Australia's treatment of the indigenous was appalling and there is still a reconciliation which needs to occur.

But to claim this is a speciality of the British/Australians is incorrect, this was a trait of all imperialist nations.

other nations didnt colonise the way the europeans did. they created an artform. Stealing murder rape and racism were just everyday happenings and actually state policy. 45 trillion stolen from the sub continent alone is enough for one to take stock of teh atrocity that was the british empire.

 

[saeedhk]

Every country has the right to enforce border control. This is not islamophobic or racist.

Generally, illegal immigrants bring in crime and violence.

 

[Pakistanian]

I am Australian born and raised, what are you? Let me guess, confused.

I'm an American born and raised but that doesn't change my race or heritage. You're acting like South Asians aren't Australian citizens like you. You may be a citizen of Australia but you're not white so talking down South Asian immigrants like a white supremacist is hilarious.

 

[Pakistanian]

Name a country that doesn't have a strong history of systematic racism, i'll wait.

Australian has one of the worse in the western world, Australia's offshore detention centers are absolutely disgusting and it's odd how the media gives them a pass yet grills America for the same, it's like we're held to a much higher standard and I think it's mainly because the US and other western countries have always had a better human rights record than Australia.

 

[Pakistanian]

Australia take in 30-50,000 legal refugees per year. So Australia does its bit regardless of what propaganda the uneducated fall for.

That is far from true,

In 2016-2017 financial year Australia accepted more refugees than it ever had since it started a dedicated humanitarian migration program, with 24,162 migrants settled on humanitarian grounds.

Australia on average settles about 20,000 refugees a year and these people have been detained and waiting in their system for years.

 

[sweep_shot]

They want Australia to let everyone in who comes through illegally, even if the majority of them are men who are wealthy enough to pay their way to Indonesia and then onto these ships. The real refugees who actually need help haven't got the means to get out.

I agree with this post completely. Immigration should be merit-based and legal.

Proper refugees should be given priority first.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Every country has the right to enforce border control. This is not islamophobic or racist.

Generally, illegal immigrants bring in crime and violence.

Any group which is doing undesirable or low paid work will produce more criminals. Most of the developed world has imported labourers to do work the locals don't want to do. You will generally find more crime in big city metropolises like you find in the US, at the same time you will find most of the big business is generated from there as well. It goes hand in hand.

 

[JaDed]

Feel like most of them are not even watching the video, the far right is going to Muslim areas and throwing around the Quran to provoke the existing Muslim citizens of Denmark and recording it for their online supporters.

But having said that Riot police was stationed there, so the Govn is on right side.

The issue is how instead of actually making laws to control immigration they are targeting their own citizens, unless the creation of conflict is what would make laws to control specific immigration..

 

[sweep_shot]

Feel like most of them are not even watching the video, the far right is going to Muslim areas and throwing around the Quran to provoke the existing Muslim citizens of Denmark and recording it for their online supporters.

But having said that Riot police was stationed there, so the Govn is on right side.

The issue is how instead of actually making laws to control immigration they are targeting their own citizens, unless the creation of conflict is what would make laws to control specific immigration..

Yeah. That's out of line. They shouldn't terrorize own citizens. Also, religious books should be treated with respect.

However, I can see why far-right terrorism is rising. I think governments should find a balance between appeasing own citizens and dealing with refugees.

 

[humzy]

I'm an American born and raised but that doesn't change my race or heritage. You're acting like South Asians aren't Australian citizens like you. You may be a citizen of Australia but you're not white so talking down South Asian immigrants like a white supremacist is hilarious.

Well no majority of them are not citizens, they are students trying to gain citizenship by playing the system. I don't have anything against any race as long as they learn to integrate and become a contributor to the nation they want to adopt.

 

[humzy]

Australian has one of the worse in the western world, Australia's offshore detention centers are absolutely disgusting and it's odd how the media gives them a pass yet grills America for the same, it's like we're held to a much higher standard and I think it's mainly because the US and other western countries have always had a better human rights record than Australia.

Bla Bla Bla, still waiting for a response to my question.

 

[humzy]

Any group which is doing undesirable or low paid work will produce more criminals. Most of the developed world has imported labourers to do work the locals don't want to do. You will generally find more crime in big city metropolises like you find in the US, at the same time you will find most of the big business is generated from there as well. It goes hand in hand.

Agreed, the way to mitigate this is to have proper controls on immigration, let less people in but really focus on giving them opportunity to develop themselves. Right now most countries just have mass immigration and move them into ghettos of similar ethnicities. Then they give them a monthly welfare check and hope for the best.

Integrate them properly into multicultural/thriving communities and install education in them. Reject anyone who doesn't want to accept the local culture.

 

[Gilly]

Australian has one of the worse in the western world, Australia's offshore detention centers are absolutely disgusting and it's odd how the media gives them a pass yet grills America for the same, it's like we're held to a much higher standard and I think it's mainly because the US and other western countries have always had a better human rights record than Australia.

Why are these people in our detention centers in the first place, most of these refugees come from islamic countries and are fleeing because they are fearful for their lives in these countries.

 

[Gilly]

Australian has one of the worse in the western world, Australia's offshore detention centers are absolutely disgusting and it's odd how the media gives them a pass yet grills America for the same, it's like we're held to a much higher standard and I think it's mainly because the US and other western countries have always had a better human rights record than Australia.

Sorry to point out your bias but Australia have a better human rights record than the US and most western countries.

Its best to know what you are talking about before making such biased and foolish comments.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...st-about-human-rights-according-to-perception

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Agreed, the way to mitigate this is to have proper controls on immigration, let less people in but really focus on giving them opportunity to develop themselves. Right now most countries just have mass immigration and move them into ghettos of similar ethnicities. Then they give them a monthly welfare check and hope for the best.

Integrate them properly into multicultural/thriving communities and install education in them. Reject anyone who doesn't want to accept the local culture.

Very few going to openly reject local culture. We had a handful of crazies if you are talking about Anjem Choudry and co, but they have either packed up or gone underground.

Other than that I have not seen much evidence of rejecting local culture. You won't see many immigrants marching into pubs and telling them to close down. Or knocking on Mrs Bloggs door and telling her to close her kitchen window because the smell of roast beef is offensive to their religion.

 

[humzy]

Very few going to openly reject local culture. We had a handful of crazies if you are talking about Anjem Choudry and co, but they have either packed up or gone underground.

Other than that I have not seen much evidence of rejecting local culture. You won't see many immigrants marching into pubs and telling them to close down. Or knocking on Mrs Bloggs door and telling her to close her kitchen window because the smell of roast beef is offensive to their religion.

Well I don't know about the UK but there is a lot of rejection of local culture in certain areas of Sydney.

 

[Pakistanian]

Well I don't know about the UK but there is a lot of rejection of local culture in certain areas of Sydney.

As long as people don't enforce their culture on other people or violate any laws and just keep to themselves then I don't see how that's a bad thing. In fact individualism is central to western culture and a right, if a Lebanese Muslim in Sydney doesn't want to drink beer or celebrate Pride that's their right.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well I don't know about the UK but there is a lot of rejection of local culture in certain areas of Sydney.

I'm not really sure what you mean by rejection of local culture. Are you talking about public buildings like mosques or temples? I did a couple of threads about this in the UK centred around Southall and Wembley, you might find those of interest. Other than that, not really sure you can monitor what people do in their own homes.

 

[humzy]

I'm not really sure what you mean by rejection of local culture. Are you talking about public buildings like mosques or temples? I did a couple of threads about this in the UK centred around Southall and Wembley, you might find those of interest. Other than that, not really sure you can monitor what people do in their own homes.

I mean refusal to learn english, practicing customs from their culture which is illegal in the country they now live in, having a superiority complex against the people whose country they have immigrated to, not having any loyalty to the country they now live in.

 

[humzy]

As long as people don't enforce their culture on other people or violate any laws and just keep to themselves then I don't see how that's a bad thing. In fact individualism is central to western culture and a right, if a Lebanese Muslim in Sydney doesn't want to drink beer or celebrate Pride that's their right.

why are you putting words in my mouth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a81Mh4-bA7Y

These are the kinds of people i am talking about.

 

[JaDed]

why are you putting words in my mouth?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a81Mh4-bA7Y

These are the kinds of people i am talking about.

Shocking, somehow never get to see negative Aus news but holy clearly the fat dude wanted to pick a fight...