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[VIDEO] "We should have done (won the World Cup) in 1992 but we were robbed" : Sir Ian Botham

Actually the reason Australia were so unlucky in that game was because according to DLS par score they only had to be 48/1 at the 20th over mark to win the contest. They were already much above that at 83/1 by the 16th.

The draw only happened because 20 overs of the second innings weren't completed. Had Australia even played out 4 maidens and even lost 3 wickets, they would have still won the game by 14 runs, if 4 overs were allowed to bowl. Ultimately, Australia were eliminated having lost ONLY ONE game (others were rained out) in the entire tournament while Bangladesh progressed through. That's as 'unlucky' as you can get. But in reality, that is destiny.



Also, in 1992, England had to get 40 more from 48 balls. The target and overs were reduced before the game was called off.

Yes but had it not rained at all, England would be chasing 75 in 50 overs. It rained during the lunch break after England had played 6 overs.
 
Yes, I know Botham wasn't there. I was just generally pointing out that Imran Khan knew how to mess with the opposition's mind. With two of the senior players walking out, that remark from Imran Khan to all the other players was a good example of him messing around and trying to get under their skin just a day before the players play the final for their adopted country.

There's a reason why we've never heard any Pakistani player recall this incident, while it clearly stuck with Derek Pringle and co. It is a joke, but one with some layers to it given the setting and the event.

I still can’t tell how that was messing with the colonial England players’ minds. If anything he was sharing an in-joke with them, bonding with them. Had I been Pringle or Smith I would have laughed with him.
 
Look at this cry baby yes England was robbed more than SA during the the SF as well, also fate robbed England of the last 3 final victories as well. If only fate hadn't been such a b1tch to England they would be 3 times champions. Darn you fate, how dare you rob England and Ian Botham!
 
I was born before that but yes I don’t remember the World Cup. I was too young for that. Anyway, it doesn’t matter, the facts are there for everyone to see.

There's only one fact here, you did not follow the 92WC. You have zero idea, which is why beyond the 74 all out (cited in the OP), and the the 22 in 1 (which you learned about in this thread), you have no idea on the context. You can argue about probability at face value till you are blue, but unless you apply context (which you cannot), your opinion means zilch.

In light of what everyone knew, if you were too young to remember 92WC then how on earth can you claim Pakistan's best team that did not win a world cup was in 1987? We all know the answer, and it's not the curious case of Benjamin button.

Why do you blag so much?
 
I still can’t tell how that was messing with the colonial England players’ minds. If anything he was sharing an in-joke with them, bonding with them. Had I been Pringle or Smith I would have laughed with him.

Well, I see what you mean.

But that's just what I gathered from his use of the word "ammunition" and how that excerpt fit into the overall tone of his article. It just indicated to me that he was referring to that "joke" as more of some mental game (excuse me for not finding a better word) before the real game.
 
Unbelievable, NZ were robbed.

Boult caught it on the boundary and then touched boundary...

Those 4 overthrows..
 
Mamoon
Sorry to disturb u.
U agreed that eng were robbed off in 1992
Plss answer me ?
Are nz not robbed?
 
That overthrow was a fluke. Even Hussain and the commentators are saying this on SKY.

England fluke to victory.
 
England had the luck today and that's life. Congratulations to them. Hopefully the tendency amongst some to cavil about 1992 World Cup can now be put to bed.
 
With that ricochet off the bat of Stokes, any “luck” that we missed out on in the past has been well and truly cashed in now.

Btw it’s been great to see less of Botham on TV recently. Didn’t make the commentary team for the final and doesn’t get much screen time at all. Clearly even Sky are getting sick of his nonsense.
 
England were lucky to win the semi final in 1992. That was South Africa's victory that day.

And they have been massively lucky to win today.. NZ have been robbed of a World Cup this time.
 
First of all Congrats for England to win the 2019 WC.

Regarding Botham, Pringle and a few others regarding 1992 well they are just bitter, bad losers and pure sour grapes. Not surprised by their likes that even after so many years they can't take that loss and admit Pakistan were the better team at the right time.

1. They keep claiming England were the best team in that tournament but they lost to Zimbabwe and New Zealand. If you go by their logic it should be New Zealand who were the best team until they met Pakistan twice.

2. The 2 lbw shouts against Javed: well they may have been stone or at least 1 of them but thats sport and sometimes you get luck in your favour and sometimes against. (Pakistan have had many bad decisions over the years too including the Headingley Test match in 1992 which they lost because of blatant poor umpiring and also remember the 1999 series in the windies when the umpires robbed us then.

3. So many IF's and what if's and but's by Pringle & Botham etc. Well if Javed was given out lbw and 3 were down who is to say Salim Malik wouldn't have finally come to the party to hold one end? or even Inzy, Wasim or Ijaz? England weren't gauranteed to get Pakistan out and regardless of Javed lbw's they should have then got the rest out.

4. The rain rule saved Pakistan at Adelaide when bowled out for 74 (but you never know the wicket and ball was doing so much). However, it is the same rule that cost Pakistan the game against South AFrica when we were in a good position at Brisbane but then came the rain and ruined it for us. If we won that then even if we lost to England in the group stage wouldn't have mattered.

5. It is also the same rule that got England to the World Cup Final when South Africa needed 13 of 1 ball or whatever. 22 of 13 you would always back the batting team, so England got into the final by default according to Botham and Pringle's logic? Southe Africa were the ones who were actually robbed.

6. By the same logic of Botham Pringle et al England got lucky in this 2019 World Cup because India seemed to have deliberatley lost against Pakistan. Even if they didn't England got a LBW wicket against New Zealand which was going over the top but couldn't be refered because Kiwis lost the review earlier. So had the umpire not give Ross Taylor or whoever the batsman was MAYBE Kiwis would have made 280 and England lost? Well isn't this similar to the IF's and What If's of Pringle Botham.

7. Had the game been played how it should Kiwis should have won by losing fewer wickets as wickets should be just as important as runs.

8. Had the overthrow (Ben Stokes) been given as 5 runs or never happened....so on lol.

The point is some of the old school England Cricket are still bad losers. England deserved to win 2019 World Cup...I am delighted for England but so did Pakistan deseve to win in 1992 :)
 
Graham Gooch the captain of the England team at the time was on the world cup debate on sky yesterday, he admitted the best team won in 1992 even though the host was trying to press him to make a more controversial comment in the presence of the great Rameez Raja. Sour grapes from Botham, lets see how he reacts to this world cup because in my opinion NZ should have won.
 
Graham Gooch the captain of the England team at the time was on the world cup debate on sky yesterday, he admitted the best team won in 1992 even though the host was trying to press him to make a more controversial comment in the presence of the great Rameez Raja. Sour grapes from Botham, lets see how he reacts to this world cup because in my opinion NZ should have won.
Exacty and Derek Pringle is the same as Botham crying about it in the media dn constantly writing about how they should have won.
 
With that ricochet off the bat of Stokes, any “luck” that we missed out on in the past has been well and truly cashed in now.

Btw it’s been great to see less of Botham on TV recently. Didn’t make the commentary team for the final and doesn’t get much screen time at all. Clearly even Sky are getting sick of his nonsense.
Botham was 'Slumming it' in Spain and was interviewed by Sky Pre-Match and Post Match and sounded miserable throughout despite the England win.
And oh by the way he had a whinge about 1992... What a surprise.
 
Mamoon
Sorry to disturb u.
U agreed that eng were robbed off in 1992
Plss answer me ?
Are nz not robbed?

Justice has been served. A shame it had to come at New Zealand's expense, but about time England had the rub of the green in a World Cup.
 
I think he is referring to the '92 final. There was a LBW appeal against Miandad which was not given and they have moaned about this all the time. Botham was himself given out and he didnt want to walk; he was furious when he did leave the crease.
 
Yes but had it not rained at all, England would be chasing 75 in 50 overs. It rained during the lunch break after England had played 6 overs.

I am not sure if you watched the entire world cup but Pakistan-South Africa match was also affected by rain.

South Africa batted first and scored 211 in their 50 overs.

Chasing, Pakistan were 74/2 in 21 overs when the rain arrived. The target was revised to 194 in 36 overs meaning Pakistan had to score 120 runs in the remaining 15 overs. With current DLS, the target should have been 162. Pakistan scored 173/8 in 36 overs and lost the game.

If Pakistan benefitted from England wash-out, they were hurt by rain in the England game. Eventually, it all evened-out.
 
I am not sure if you watched the entire world cup but Pakistan-South Africa match was also affected by rain.

South Africa batted first and scored 211 in their 50 overs.

Chasing, Pakistan were 74/2 in 21 overs when the rain arrived. The target was revised to 194 in 36 overs meaning Pakistan had to score 120 runs in the remaining 15 overs. With current DLS, the target should have been 162. Pakistan scored 173/8 in 36 overs and lost the game.

If Pakistan benefitted from England wash-out, they were hurt by rain in the England game. Eventually, it all evened-out.

It didn’t even-out. Scoring 120 in 15 overs is a hundred times more doable than defending 74 in 50 overs.
 
It didn’t even-out. Scoring 120 in 15 overs is a hundred times more doable than defending 74 in 50 overs.

That's not my point. Pakistan should have lost the England game but won the South African one. The end-result should have been an extra point for Pakistan.
 
It didn’t even-out. Scoring 120 in 15 overs is a hundred times more doable than defending 74 in 50 overs.

And winning because the opposition need 22 off 1 is 100% guaranteed every time.

If only you have followed the 1992 WC!
 
With that ricochet off the bat of Stokes, any “luck” that we missed out on in the past has been well and truly cashed in now.

Btw it’s been great to see less of Botham on TV recently. Didn’t make the commentary team for the final and doesn’t get much screen time at all. Clearly even Sky are getting sick of his nonsense.

He is passing out of memory as he moves through his sixties towards seventy. Time to retire.

And I agree that the bad luck from marginal decisions that England had in the 1992 final has evened out in the 2019 one. This time the Gods were kind to us.
 
He is passing out of memory as he moves through his sixties towards seventy. Time to retire.

And I agree that the bad luck from marginal decisions that England had in the 1992 final has evened out in the 2019 one. This time the Gods were kind to us.

He is in rehab (his own words yesterday) in Spain. Not sure if he is ill or a reforming alcoholic.
 
Wonder if Beefy will do a video saying New Zealand were robbed :P
 
Ian Botham this is what it feels like being robbed not in 92

any responses from this guy, hes gone on for 27 years about being robbed because nature made it rain on the wrong moment for him, now how about this
 
i seriously think Botham was refering to those Wasim Akram dismissals in the final. He has always believed as to something was wrong w.r.t those deliveries Akram bowled to take those wickets.
That is why he is uttering that word 'robbed off' , it seems...
 
Doesnt seem to have much to say now for New Zealand who by all indications were robbed as well
 
i seriously think Botham was refering to those Wasim Akram dismissals in the final. He has always believed as to something was wrong w.r.t those deliveries Akram bowled to take those wickets.
That is why he is uttering that word 'robbed off' , it seems...

Spot on. This is exactly the reason. Botham is not referring to Pakistan's luck in getting to the final or even his dismissal or Miandad lbw shouts, it's those 2 deliveries.

I recall just later in 1992, May have been after the acrimonious Pak-Eng series that Botham came out to the press via sky and essentially accused Akram (indirectly) of ball tampering.

The irony is I thought Botham had gotten over this. Didn't he tour Pakistan with his mother in law in the mid 2000's?
 
i seriously think Botham was refering to those Wasim Akram dismissals in the final. He has always believed as to something was wrong w.r.t those deliveries Akram bowled to take those wickets.
That is why he is uttering that word 'robbed off' , it seems...

If he's referring to ball-tampering then that is pretty low of him.

I always understood that he was bitter due to his own dismissal and the Miandad lbw.
 
Graham Gooch the captain of the England team at the time was on the world cup debate on sky yesterday, he admitted the best team won in 1992 even though the host was trying to press him to make a more controversial comment in the presence of the great Rameez Raja. Sour grapes from Botham, lets see how he reacts to this world cup because in my opinion NZ should have won.

Gooch said England were the best team in the first half of the tournament but ran out of steam due to injuries, while Pakistan took a while to build up steam and then smashed everyone in becoming the best team of the second half.
 
i seriously think Botham was refering to those Wasim Akram dismissals in the final. He has always believed as to something was wrong w.r.t those deliveries Akram bowled to take those wickets.
That is why he is uttering that word 'robbed off' , it seems...

It was Lamb in fact - in his book he said he had never seen a cricket ball behave that way before. That was a surprising comment as he had batted against Sarfraz and Imran quite a bit and must have observed reverse swing.
 
Boris Johnson is to mark his first year in Downing Street by rewarding Brexit supporters – including Sir Ian Botham – with life peerages, it has been reported.

The former England cricketer is among 30 new peers to be announced later this month, according to The Times.

The list is said also to include four ex-Labour MPs – including Frank Field and Gisela Stuart – who both supported Brexit in the 2016 referendum.

There will be peerages also for Ian Austin and John Woodcock, who backed Remain but who supported Mr Johnson’s Brexit deal and urged Labour voters not to support Jeremy Corbyn, the paper said.

At the same time, it was reported that Mr Johnson will seek to heal the divisions in the Conservative Party with peerages for Ken Clarke, Philip Hammond and Ed Vaizey.

All three had the Tory whip withdrawn after seeking to block his efforts to reach an agreement with Brussels.

Sir Ian – one of England’s greatest cricketers with 5,200 test runs and 383 wickets – publicly supported the Brexit campaign, appearing alongside Mr Johnson before the referendum.

There was no immediate comment from Downing Street.

https://www.salfordcitynews.co.uk/n....sir-ian-botham-set-made-peer-backing-brexit/
 
Botham deserves a great deal of recognition for his services to charity and contribution to cricket, so I don’t have a problem with him being rewarded as such, it’s just a pity that it is for Brexit.
 
Botham deserves a great deal of recognition for his services to charity and contribution to cricket, so I don’t have a problem with him being rewarded as such, it’s just a pity that it is for Brexit.

It’s disappointing that someone receive a Peerage for damaging their country.
 
For those of us wondering what a 'Life Peerage' means:

Life peerages, always created at the rank of baron, are created under the Life Peerages Act 1958 and entitle the holders to seats in the House of Lords, presuming they meet qualifications such as age and citizenship.
 
On the thread title, wondering how exactly were England robbed in 1992 WC final.

Just for that Botham out decision?
 
On the thread title, wondering how exactly were England robbed in 1992 WC final.

Just for that Botham out decision?

If you really want to go there..... Miandad being given not out when he was plumb to Pringle, which would have left Pakistan 30-3, and the unexpected behaviour of the balls that got Lamb and Lewis out.

It doesn’t matter, what happened happened and Sir Ian should just let it go.
 
If you really want to go there..... Miandad being given not out when he was plumb to Pringle, which would have left Pakistan 30-3, and the <B>unexpected behaviour of the balls that got Lamb and Lewis out</B>.

It doesn’t matter, what happened happened and Sir Ian should just let it go.

Might well be referring to some unexpected reverse swing.

Anyways, won't really call it a robbery, wrong decisions are part and parcel of the game. But I understand if cricketers find it hard to get over from that.
 
If you really want to go there..... Miandad being given not out when he was plumb to Pringle, which would have left Pakistan 30-3, and the unexpected behaviour of the balls that got Lamb and Lewis out.

It doesn’t matter, what happened happened and Sir Ian should just let it go.

1992 remains the only instance ever of a world cup being won by the 4th best team of the tournament.

I loved this world cup precisely for that. The unpredictable nature of it was amazing.
 
1992 remains the only instance ever of a world cup being won by the 4th best team of the tournament.

I loved this world cup precisely for that. The unpredictable nature of it was amazing.

aussies were not the best team in 1999..but overall if you look at Pakistans record in ODI's and tournament wins prior to 92 and they were a formidable force who just needed to click. Its made out as if we were sri lankan level in the new history of cricket written after 2011..

also this nonsensical blathering from the english is because they thought they were the best..they were a good team but ultimately failed when it counted. They should have known about wasim. Isnt it interesting that Neil fairbrother has never had a go at wasim? why? because he knew what was happening with regard to reverse swing and even told lamb on the pitch..Lamb failed..end of..Fairbrother played wasim pretty well and read the ball too..it wasnt rocket science..

botham is just a typical english racist who just cant accept the brown guys got one over him..
 
aussies were not the best team in 1999..but overall if you look at Pakistans record in ODI's and tournament wins prior to 92 and they were a formidable force who just needed to click. Its made out as if we were sri lankan level in the new history of cricket written after 2011..

also this nonsensical blathering from the english is because they thought they were the best..they were a good team but ultimately failed when it counted. They should have known about wasim. Isnt it interesting that Neil fairbrother has never had a go at wasim? why? because he knew what was happening with regard to reverse swing and even told lamb on the pitch..Lamb failed..end of..Fairbrother played wasim pretty well and read the ball too..it wasnt rocket science..

botham is just a typical english racist who just cant accept the brown guys got one over him..

No hate for the 1992 Pakistan team. In the end it's all about who wins. Although it is true that tournaments aren't always fair.


I think Pakistan were more formidable in 1987 and 1996.

It's ironic but Pakistan were on a 4-5 match winning streak when they couldn't make the semis in 2019. Given that Pakistan is a momentum carrying team, I habe no doubt they were all set to repeat the Champions Trophy 2016 carnage in 2019. I hate the tournament for at and scoring system sometimes

I remember i created a thread about it in 2019 that Pakistan missing out semis is unfair but most people thought I was just rubbing it :)) when I was genuinely feeling it for Pakistan :))
 
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Historically, to win the World Cup you need to play well to make it to the play offs and over a lengthy period there may be some upsets along the way or blips; however the best teams in the world will make the final 4 for the most part. Pakistan's triumph in 92 was no surprise, a team of that quality was bound to stand a chance over the stretch. Prior to the tournament they were victorious in the Wills Trophy series, Austral-Asia Cup, World and Champions trophy series, barely lost a home series for 4-5 years and found themselves as the no.1 ranked team at times between 1990-1991. Ultimately cream rises to the top and it was an unfortunate truth that England were vastly inferior in comparison, that will be a very tough pill to swallow for Sir Ian.
 
It was Pakistan's year - no power on earth could stop us
 
The rained game from 1992 is often discussed alot, that whether God intervened to make sure Pakistan reached the final or whether we fluked our way into the final due to the rained of no result match.

However i came across the score card of that match and i noticed that England still played 8 overs. Akram along with aqib javed and co were able to keep england at bay. If england was desperate for two points and with rain looming in, they could had gone havoc.

But the bowling of akram and co gets overlooked here that allowed them to slow down the chase. 64 was needed from 16 overs, and with 5 an over needed in the last eoght, the match could had gone either way woth akram and co bowling
 
Wasim Akram those 2 deliveries deserve the WC let alone Imran n Co. Cornered tiger effort :benaud
 
Rain against Sri Lanka in 2019 cost us the World Cup.

We beat England, South Africa & New Zealand and had the game against Sri Lanka happened who knows???

Point is that in a tourney almost every team can point to something but ultimately the only thing that counts is the winner of the final.
 
Rain against Sri Lanka in 2019 cost us the World Cup.

We beat England, South Africa & New Zealand and had the game against Sri Lanka happened who knows???

Point is that in a tourney almost every team can point to something but ultimately the only thing that counts is the winner of the final.

In 2019 WC, Pak were caught cold in their first game I think with WI’s short pitched tactics, had they lost a bit more valiantly a top 4 position would have been secured
 
Really who cares how Pakistan won the 92 world cup. They won it.

So did England against NZ.

West Indies won test series against Akram's men due to umpiring. Well, scorecard doesn't take that into account.

All scores are in the books. Solid. Confirmed. Champions.

Everything else is just debates, agendas and sour grapes. People can defend their positions to eternity and not change one mind on the opposite side.
 

England cricket legend Sir Ian Botham falls into crocodile-infested waters - and is rescued by former rival Merv Hughes​


England cricket legend Sir Ian Botham was rescued by a former Australian rival after he fell off a boat into water "infested" with sharks and crocodiles.

The retired all-rounder was on a fishing trip with former Australian fast-bowler Merv Hughes when he got his flip-flops caught in some roping and plunged head-first into the Moyle River near Darwin, northern Australia.

Sir Ian, nicknamed Beefy, suffered severe bruising to his torso after hitting the boat on his way down – but escaped a worse fate when Hughes and fellow fishermen quickly pulled him out.

The 68-year-old wrote on Instagram on Friday: "My catch of the day was the barra [fish] while I was nearly catch of the day for all the crocs and bull sharks...

"Thanks boys for getting me out."

The river is known for being infested with crocodiles, according to local media, while a family of bull sharks was also seen lurking underneath the boat as Sir Ian fell in.

Referencing the film Crocodile Dundee, he told Australia's Herald Sun newspaper: "At the end of the day Crocodile Beefy survived.

"I was out of the water quicker than I went in it. Quite a few sets of eyes were having a peep at me. Luckily I had no time to think about what was in the water."

The cricket commentator added: "The guys were brilliant, it was just one of those accidents. It was all very quick and I'm okay now."

Sir Ian, who was awarded a knighthood in 2020, was an on-pitch rival of Hughes during clashes between England and Australia in the 1980s, but the pair have become good friends in their retirement from the sport.

The duo were reportedly on a four-day boat trip to catch barramundi fish when the incident happened last week.

Sir Ian is said to have got caught in the roping while he and his companions were crossing from a small boat into another vessel.

He is reported to be in Australia to commentate alongside Hughes on a series of upcoming matches, including the first Test between Australia and India.

He is considered one of England's greatest cricketers, having notched up 5,200 test runs and 383 wickets during his career.

 
To be honest, he does have a point although his reasons might be different.

England had shot Pakistan for 74 in the group game before we were gifted a point because the match was abandoned due to rain. It was inarguably the most embarrassing point any team has ever earned in a World Cup.

That one point came back to haunt England who lost to us in the final. If Pakistan would have been eliminated, it is quite possible that England would have gone on to win the World Cup.

We can criticise Botham all we want, but if the exact same thing happens to Pakistan, we would be lamenting our bad luck and calling the other team extremely lucky.

Also, it is pertinent to shed some light on the South African match as well. People justify Pakistan getting a point out of the England game by stating that they were robbed against South Africa because of rain.

However, chasing 212 after you were 74/2 is not comparable to getting away with a target of 75 with the opposition 20/1. It wasn't just robbery - it was daylight robbery with their hands tied behind their backs.
Most shocking logic i have come across. Oh my lord....
 

England cricket legend Sir Ian Botham falls into crocodile-infested waters - and is rescued by former rival Merv Hughes​


England cricket legend Sir Ian Botham was rescued by a former Australian rival after he fell off a boat into water "infested" with sharks and crocodiles.

The retired all-rounder was on a fishing trip with former Australian fast-bowler Merv Hughes when he got his flip-flops caught in some roping and plunged head-first into the Moyle River near Darwin, northern Australia.

Sir Ian, nicknamed Beefy, suffered severe bruising to his torso after hitting the boat on his way down – but escaped a worse fate when Hughes and fellow fishermen quickly pulled him out.

The 68-year-old wrote on Instagram on Friday: "My catch of the day was the barra [fish] while I was nearly catch of the day for all the crocs and bull sharks...

"Thanks boys for getting me out."

The river is known for being infested with crocodiles, according to local media, while a family of bull sharks was also seen lurking underneath the boat as Sir Ian fell in.

Referencing the film Crocodile Dundee, he told Australia's Herald Sun newspaper: "At the end of the day Crocodile Beefy survived.

"I was out of the water quicker than I went in it. Quite a few sets of eyes were having a peep at me. Luckily I had no time to think about what was in the water."

The cricket commentator added: "The guys were brilliant, it was just one of those accidents. It was all very quick and I'm okay now."

Sir Ian, who was awarded a knighthood in 2020, was an on-pitch rival of Hughes during clashes between England and Australia in the 1980s, but the pair have become good friends in their retirement from the sport.

The duo were reportedly on a four-day boat trip to catch barramundi fish when the incident happened last week.

Sir Ian is said to have got caught in the roping while he and his companions were crossing from a small boat into another vessel.

He is reported to be in Australia to commentate alongside Hughes on a series of upcoming matches, including the first Test between Australia and India.

He is considered one of England's greatest cricketers, having notched up 5,200 test runs and 383 wickets during his career.


Could've been a terrible tragedy.

Glad he is okay.
 
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