[VIDEO] Your views on "tactical retirement" in Cricket?

[MenInG]

The IPL 2022 match between Rajasthan Royals and Lucknow Super Giants at the Wankhede Stadium saw Ravichandran Ashwin become the first batter in IPL history to be tactically retired out.

Promoted to No. 6, Ashwin was on 28 off 23 when he walked off, allowing Riyan Parag to join Shimron Hetmyer in the middle. Parag ended up scoring eight off four balls. Hetmyer struck 59 off 36 as RR finished on 165 for 6. "I literally have no idea about that retire-out decision from Ashwin! It was a good decision in the end," Hetmyer told Star Sports during the innings break.

Only four batters, including Ashwin, have been dismissed retired out in T20s. Shahid Afridi for the Pakistanis, Sonam Tobgay of Bhutan and Sunzamul Islam of Cumilla Warriors round up the list.

According to MCC Law 25.4.3, "if a batter retires for any reason other than as in 25.4.2 (retires because of illness, injury or any other unavoidable cause), the innings of that batter may be resumed only with the consent of the opposing captain. If for any reason his/her innings is not resumed, that batter is to be recorded as ‘Retired - out’."

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[Smbhayi]

It's good idea.. i think Pollard too done same last year (bcoz of struggling to score runs) but he was allowed come back later.. That shouldn't be allowed..

 

[sweep_shot]

I don't see any issue with it.

It is also a legitimate dismissal.

 

[Bewal Express]

Should be allowed 2 an innings

 

[gazza619]

Stupid rule. Should not be allowed.

Another stupid rule they have recently introduced is that the new batter always faces the next ball even when the batters have crossed.

What utter nonsense!!!

 

[BunnyRabbit]

You can simply leave a straight and get bowled or something rather than having to retire out.

People would have asked Fakhar to retire out in the 2021 semi vs Aus during his initial 10-15 deliveries where was struggling to put bat to the ball. Yet he suddenly started timing the ball beautifully. If this rule was a common practice, then the batter would be in two minds.

 

[Concerned]

When setting a score in T20, either Babar or Rizwan need to tactically retire if they remain not out after the 12th over.

 

[PakEngFan]

When setting a score in T20, either Babar or Rizwan need to tactically retire if they remain not out after the 12th over.

That will ensure we won’t bat 20 overs.

 

[Justcrazy]

It's completely legal to do so, only once they retire they should not be allowed to bat again.

In today's game, I feel Ashwin should be sent up the order, at number 4 - 5 , he is not a big hitter , at that position he can be expected to score some runs at a stage when team is building a platform.

 

[hitthestump]

You can simply leave a straight and get bowled or something rather than having to retire out.

People would have asked Fakhar to retire out in the 2021 semi vs Aus during his initial 10-15 deliveries where was struggling to put bat to the ball. Yet he suddenly started timing the ball beautifully. If this rule was a common practice, then the batter would be in two minds.

No. Being bowled puts a wicket in the oppositions name and eats up a ball, something which would defeat the tactical point behind Ashwin retiring.

Nor is Fakhar a similar example. That happened in the start of the overall innings when it makes no sense at all to throw a wicket away. In that situation you would just swing for the fences instead of retiring.

 

[hitthestump]

When setting a score in T20, either Babar or Rizwan need to tactically retire if they remain not out after the 12th over.

Awful idea for so many reasons. You must have missed all the posts about Pakistan's middle order.

 

[volcyz]

Very good move and somethinmg that should be encourgaed for batting teams to utilize

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Another stupid rule that the dinosaurs at MCC will not remove or modify in the spirit of 'tradition'.

First things first, players should not be blamed for utilizing it. That's just being smart.

That said, its a stupid rule that should be removed.

 

[MenInG]

he successful tactic used by the Rajasthan Royals in the Indian Premier League on Sunday has won praise and could become a regular fixture in 20-over cricket prior to the ICC Men's T20 World Cup later this year.

The Royals elevated India all-rounder Ravi Ashwin up their batting order, but then decided to retire him out during the penultimate over as they chased quick runs in their match against the Lucknow Super Giants in Wankhede.

The tactic saw Riyan Parag come to the crease with 10 balls remaining to replace Ashwin and he helped the Royals post a winning score of 165/6 from their 20 overs.

The law states that retired batters can only resume their innings later in the innings due to injury or illness, unless there is consent from the opposing captain.

Law 25.4.3 states, in part: "If a batter retires for any reason other than (injury or illness) … the innings of that batter may be resumed only with the consent of the opposing captain. If for any reason his/her innings is not resumed, that batter is to be recorded as 'Retired – out'."

Royals coach Kumar Sangakkara praised Ashwin for his role in the victory and the sacrifice he made for his team by retiring his innings in the 19th over.

"Ashwin himself was asking from the field as well, and we had discussed it just before that, as to what we would do," Sangakkara said.

"I thought the way Ashwin handled that situation, walking in (in the 10th over) under pressure, the way he batted to support the team. And then finally, (he) sacrificed himself in terms of being retired out, (which) was just magnificent.

"And then he went out in the field and backed it up with an excellent, excellent bowling effort."

Commentators across the world also praised the move, with many believing it will become a regular occurrence in 20-over cricket by the time the ICC Men's T20 World Cup commences in Australia in October.

On that occasion the Sixers decided to retire injured batter Jordan Silk with two runs required from the final delivery as Jay Lenton came to the crease to help scramble the winning runs.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/2572476?sf163240302=1

 

[Varun]

I like the rule. Works well in a T20.

Yuvraj could have done that in the 2014 WT20 final.

And again, it's Ashwin testing the rulebook.

 

[Babeikh]

Don't like it personally. If batsman didn't fancy it then I'd prefer it if they just started swinging the bat than they retired themselves out.

I think batsman being out of form, struggling against a particular bowler (for e.g.) is part of cricket and they shouldn't be able to just cop out and retire. Another rule that will just make T20 even more of a batsman's game than it already is.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I love the tactical retired out rule.

What I don't like is how the batter can come to bat later on if the OPPOSITION captain allows.

Screw that.

Why should moral aspect come into play?

The rule should ASSUME the opposition captain says NO and declare him out (which is pretty much what will happen when the captain actually says no).

 

[Ab Fan]

Nothing wrong in doing that, just it should be made clear that he can only come to bat again if his team is 9 down.

 

[Smbhayi]

I love the tactical retired out rule.

What I don't like is how the batter can come to bat later on if the OPPOSITION captain allows.

Screw that.

Why should moral aspect come into play?

The rule should ASSUME the opposition captain says NO and declare him out (which is pretty much what will happen when the captain actually says no).

Here Pollard was allowed to comeback to bat, hit 6 last ball and Bangladesh lost by 3 runs in last year WT20..

http://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricke...-super-12-group-1-icc-mens-t20-world-cup-2021

 

[HitWicket]

I love the tactical retired out rule.

What I don't like is how the batter can come to bat later on if the OPPOSITION captain allows.

Screw that.

Why should moral aspect come into play?

The rule should ASSUME the opposition captain says NO and declare him out (which is pretty much what will happen when the captain actually says no).

Nah, this should be left in the laws to cover for exceptional circumstances where the batter has to leave the field even though he's not injured.

 

[Pakhs]

Nothing wrong in doing that, just it should be made clear that he can only come to bat again if his team is 9 down.

No if the batsman leaves the field tactically then he should be declared out straight away no chance of coming back.

 

[jeetu]

Batsman shouldn't be allowed to return. It should be tactical dismissal.

 

[viveks]

good rule and good usage, more players should be getting themselves out in T20

 

[Saj]

Could get embarrassing for some players who will be tactically retired again and again.

I'm sure we can all think of a few names who will fall into this category.

 

[shariqnoor]

I don't support this rule.

If you're struggling to score runs, the fielding team shouldn't get penalized for it. Why should a Andre Russell be allowed to come in if a Fawad Alam is struggling to score runs? The batting team shouldn't have sent in a Fawad Alam in the first place. If they have, then they should live with the consequences. It's completely unfair on the fielding team.

 

[Saurav]

Here Pollard was allowed to comeback to bat, hit 6 last ball and Bangladesh lost by 3 runs in last year WT20..

http://www.cricbuzz.com/live-cricke...-super-12-group-1-icc-mens-t20-world-cup-2021

technically, Pollard was retired hurt not retired out.Although clearly umpires shouldnt have allowed it.

Ashwin used it fairly

 

[Gilly]

If a rule is going to improve the quality of cricket, make matches more interesting then I can see merit. I don't have an opinion on this rule but it does seem to have the ability to make the match more interesting.

 

[Smbhayi]

technically, Pollard was retired hurt not retired out.Although clearly umpires shouldnt have allowed it.

Ashwin used it fairly

Well he retired hurt sighting fatigue after facing 16 odd delivery.. that should be ruled as retired out..

 

[MenInG]

While Ashwin’s ‘retired out’ move did pay off the other day against Lucknow Super Giants, the Indian off-spinner feels that it should be used wisely as it has the potential to backfire as well.

“It might work sometimes and it might not work sometimes. These things happen constantly in football, and we haven’t cracked T20 cricket fully yet. This is a millennial sport. This is the next generation’s sport.

“In fact, if you see in football, Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo score goals frequently. But their team’s goalkeeper should also save goals and their defenders should defend well. Only then, a Messi or Ronaldo will be in the limelight.”

With not too many overs left and struggling with his own timing, Ashwin thought that retiring himself out was in the best interest of the team.

“It was just a tactical move. In fact, Riyan Parag has been batting very well and when the (K) Gowtham over (16th over) ended, I gave myself some time – five to six balls – to see whether I can hit a six or two fours.

“There were a few balls in the slot, I tried to hit, and mistimed a bit. I threw the kitchen sink at everything, but I couldn’t get the timing going. Someone like Riyan Parag was in the shed and there were only ten balls remaining. If he comes and hits even two sixes, we could get a good score. It was a tactical decision.”

Ashwin was also the first in the IPL to effect a run out of a non-striker backing up when he controversially dislodged the bails to dismiss Jos Buttler in 2019. In a recent update, the custodians of laws of cricket, MCC, moved the run out dismissal while backing up to Law 38 (run out) from Law 41 (unfair play).

“The bowler is always painted as the villain but it is a legitimate way to dismiss someone and it is the non-striker who is stealing the ground,” Fraser Stewart, MCC Laws Manager, told the Times after the rules were reframed.

“It is legitimate, it is a run-out and therefore it should live in the run-out section of the laws,” he had said.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...mparison-between-football-t20-cricket-1018698

 

[Markhor]

Couldn't happen in Pakistan. Too many players are more worried about keeping their spot and would never voluntarily relinquish their innings.

Imagine if this concept was used in the 90s, our senior players would throw a fit.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

the game is already so much in favour of the batsman, why now should we reward teams that mess up their batting order?

 

[Saurav]

I agree with this rule

But there should be something similar for a bowler.

Like retiring in middle of an over/spell

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tactical masterstroke? &#55358;&#56596;<br><br>Carlos Brathwaite retires out to be replaced by Sam Hain for the final over!<br><br>Watch it unfold LIVE: <a href="https://t.co/ScNplvlY5n">https://t.co/ScNplvlY5n</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Blast22?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Blast22</a> <a href="https://t.co/RwCKpCVPSK">pic.twitter.com/RwCKpCVPSK</a></p>— Vitality Blast (@VitalityBlast) <a href="https://twitter.com/VitalityBlast/status/1533490201695232005?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You cannot make this up! &#55357;&#56834;<br><br>Samit Patel also retires himself out off the penultimate ball of the match! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Blast22?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Blast22</a> <a href="https://t.co/Q2fPLRe7A5">pic.twitter.com/Q2fPLRe7A5</a></p>— Vitality Blast (@VitalityBlast) <a href="https://twitter.com/VitalityBlast/status/1533502629577428993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[amit]

Retired out can be interesting. Teams can use anchors to open the innings, have a anchor bat 15-16 overs, get something like 55(45) and retire and with a set platform, big hitters can come in and smash 70-80 off last 5 overs

 

[Energy]

This rule is a loophole, and a stupid one which will be exploited by the batters more and more.

 

[MenInG]

Marcus Stoinis gave the Krunal Pandya-led Lucknow Super Giants a boost with an unbeaten 89 against Mumbai Indians in an IPL 2023 match in Lucknow on Tuesday. While Stoinis was going hammer and tongs, Pandya too looked solid as he played the anchor role. He was batting on 49 off 42 balls at the end of the 16th over when he could be seen hobbling. Before the start of the next over, he left the field. While rules permit for a batter to be retired out, in which a batter can declare himself out anytime during his innings, there was confusion whether Krunal Pandya was retired hurt or retired out.

Your views?

 

[Saj]

Punjab Kings retired out Atharva Taide as they looked to chase down 214 but ultimately fell short, despite the best efforts of Liam Livingstone.

 

[BouncerGuy]

LOL. Imagine a team retiring its best player out, and the player who replaces him gets out on the very first ball. What an embarrassing thing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1938417482995216746