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I know that I will get a lot of criticism here for the title of the thread alone. I haven't seen many people left here that support Amir, and neither do I to be very honest -- he doesn't deserve to be in the team on merit but I do sympathize for him and wanted to express some of my thoughts here.

In today's cricket, and in any era anywhere, a player would have to perform exceptionally well in domestic cricket to even be considered for national selection. Amir, however, hadn't played even domestic cricket let alone international cricket for 5 whole years, and was fast-tracked into the national team. In addition to that, upon his comeback in test cricket, he had about 16 catches dropped off his bowling within a couple of series. 16 is no mere number, especially when we're talking about dropped catches, and that too off one bowler. Some of those proved to be very costly. That figure alone could devastate and demotivate any bowler, and more so for a man who had been out for so long and had just dramatically returned to bowling to world-class batsmen. Had Pakistan even taken most of those catches, his figures would give him a different outlook and personal confidence.

Even restoring a sufficient fitness level enough to play international cricket is a big task, and the management did not handle him well at all. Bowled him to the ground in all formats of the game. I believe there was a statistic in one of those late 2010s where he had the record for the most balls bowled by a bowler, which is insane considering he went from not playing competitive cricket for 5 years to becoming the spearhead of an international bowling attack and bowling the most deliveries being a fast bowler. No wonder his pace significantly decreased in the last few years.

It is amazing how he still managed to make records and bowl phenomenally at times. He holds the record for the most dot balls in a t20i game (21 dot balls I believe). He turned up in tournaments such as the Asia Cup where he was swinging the ball both ways at 145+ kmh; the 2017 CT which speaks for itself, and the 2019 world cup where he was Pakistan's best bowler and one of the tournament's leading wicket takers. I understand that in bilateral series and more often than not outside of ICC events, Amir had been underwhelming at times, but when I consider some of the factors I mentioned, I can see why he couldn't reach a higher feat in his career.

I know I will get a lot of flack for this post, but I genuinely think that Amir could've been handled better and that he could have had more to contribute to Pakistan cricket, in addition to what he has already accomplished. I expect to see comments saying how he should be lucky that he even got a chance to play again, or that he acts self-entitled, or that he's a crybaby etc etc. He served the ban given to him. The fans can't choose the length of his ban so all he can do is deal with what's given to him by the board and higher ups. I agree that he can complain a lot sometimes, but I am strictly looking at everything here from a cricket point of view and him as a cricketer. In conclusion, I feel like he could've done more.
 
Just you bro.

Don't feel bad for an entitled, match-fixing, age-fudging cheater.
 
He brought it on himself.

He should have been contrite and moved on, but he did it whilst burning bridges.
 
0/42 Jamaica Tallawahs against in Guyana Amazon Warriors in CPL last night....
 
If Amir can get another 2 year streak going with Pakistan and win them an ICC title- his career should be documented bollywood style. Has the perfect script of love and hate.
 
I know that I will get a lot of criticism here for the title of the thread alone. I haven't seen many people left here that support Amir, and neither do I to be very honest -- he doesn't deserve to be in the team on merit but I do sympathize for him and wanted to express some of my thoughts here.

In today's cricket, and in any era anywhere, a player would have to perform exceptionally well in domestic cricket to even be considered for national selection. Amir, however, hadn't played even domestic cricket let alone international cricket for 5 whole years, and was fast-tracked into the national team. In addition to that, upon his comeback in test cricket, he had about 16 catches dropped off his bowling within a couple of series. 16 is no mere number, especially when we're talking about dropped catches, and that too off one bowler. Some of those proved to be very costly. That figure alone could devastate and demotivate any bowler, and more so for a man who had been out for so long and had just dramatically returned to bowling to world-class batsmen. Had Pakistan even taken most of those catches, his figures would give him a different outlook and personal confidence.

Even restoring a sufficient fitness level enough to play international cricket is a big task, and the management did not handle him well at all. Bowled him to the ground in all formats of the game. I believe there was a statistic in one of those late 2010s where he had the record for the most balls bowled by a bowler, which is insane considering he went from not playing competitive cricket for 5 years to becoming the spearhead of an international bowling attack and bowling the most deliveries being a fast bowler. No wonder his pace significantly decreased in the last few years.

It is amazing how he still managed to make records and bowl phenomenally at times. He holds the record for the most dot balls in a t20i game (21 dot balls I believe). He turned up in tournaments such as the Asia Cup where he was swinging the ball both ways at 145+ kmh; the 2017 CT which speaks for itself, and the 2019 world cup where he was Pakistan's best bowler and one of the tournament's leading wicket takers. I understand that in bilateral series and more often than not outside of ICC events, Amir had been underwhelming at times, but when I consider some of the factors I mentioned, I can see why he couldn't reach a higher feat in his career.

I know I will get a lot of flack for this post, but I genuinely think that Amir could've been handled better and that he could have had more to contribute to Pakistan cricket, in addition to what he has already accomplished. I expect to see comments saying how he should be lucky that he even got a chance to play again, or that he acts self-entitled, or that he's a crybaby etc etc. He served the ban given to him. The fans can't choose the length of his ban so all he can do is deal with what's given to him by the board and higher ups. I agree that he can complain a lot sometimes, but I am strictly looking at everything here from a cricket point of view and him as a cricketer. In conclusion, I feel like he could've done more.

I hear you brother. He was a brilliant bowler and one of the best. Pakistani's don't deserve him and as a country, I feel pakistani people have pessmistic attitude and poor intentions for their own people compared to Indians. I have lived in west my entire life and Pakistani's in general never want the best for you. May God guide them
 
Forget what he did professionally in the game, if you want to know what type of a person he is in real life look no further than his Twitter spat with Harbhajan. Just look at the quality of those tweets, and the language he used for someone 11 years his senior.
 
He is the last cricketer in the history of the game anybody should feel bad for.
 
Initially, I felt bad for him getting caught in a bad situation with the spot-fixing. I could believe a teenager getting trapped by following his seniors (including the captain).

But his behavior after coming back is unacceptable.

It seems more like he's just a me-first guy after quick money and I'm afraid this mindset sort of explains the spot-fixing too.
 
Amir didnt learn any humility after being 5 years on the sidelines. Ability wise great but an extremely poor character. In the 5 years he learnt some English, polished himself but his mentality did not evolve. He is still playing various T20 leagues making good money. So i would say he is getting more than what he deserves.

If I perhaps feel bad for someone it is Asif. Seems he has a sensible head now, especially after his recent tweet defending Babar.
 
I'll digress here, I believe the real talent was Asif, not Aamir.
 
He was very lucky welcomed back after such shame and tbh since that fixing episode his bowling was not that special good we've moved on him specially with the fussy attitude he has developed now
 
He is a third class character
Doesn't deserve much sympathy. He makes his own enemies with his toxicity
 
Initially, I felt bad for him getting caught in a bad situation with the spot-fixing. I could believe a teenager getting trapped by following his seniors (including the captain).

But his behavior after coming back is unacceptable.

It seems more like he's just a me-first guy after quick money and I'm afraid this mindset sort of explains the spot-fixing too.

Spot on.

He thought by retiring there will be a void but Shaheen excelled even more.
 
I hear you brother. He was a brilliant bowler and one of the best. Pakistani's don't deserve him and as a country, I feel pakistani people have pessmistic attitude and poor intentions for their own people compared to Indians. I have lived in west my entire life and Pakistani's in general never want the best for you. May God guide them
This is an unintelligent and false post to generalize Pakistanis.

Pakistan is the most charitable nation on this planet, so please get this idea out of your head that pakistanis in general never want what’s best for you.

PCB spent millions of dollars on Amir by some estimation trying to get him fast tracked and what did he do? Made it a personality matter and decided to retire from international cricket because he didn’t want to work hard enough.
 
Amir's career tells the story of fast bowling in Pakistan.

A very talented pacer who when burst the scene at international level, could swing the bowl both ways and at a good pace too.

However, lack of professionalism as well as not willing to exploit the experience that is gained over the years to best use is the reason why Pakistan continuously struggle to have a bowler who lasts long from over last two decades.

There is no shortage of talent in fast bowling department in Pakistan but the shortage is to last longer because when you play 3-4 years at highest level, you don't have the same passion, fire and aggression but what you have is experience and those who can exploit it best are the ones who survive for longer duration and retire with 300 or even 400 wickets at test level.
 
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I do feel bad for how he was managed. A lot of the judgements on this forum relate to his comments post retirement. However, it’s absolutely clear that his workload after coming back was insane, because we had no other new ball bowlers coming through at the time.

After absolutely bleeding him dry, we then got all precious in our attitude towards him after he prioritised his health and retired from tests.

Misbah, put the icing on the cake by dropping him from white ball squads because of his test retirement. And did this without bothering to communicate with him, as any capable chief selector would do.

As a nation, we all also collectively moved on because we had a shiny new toy in Shaheen, whilst Amir, who had been incredibly over bowled, unsurprisingly lost form and pace.

Thus, it started w/ Inzi’s lack of thought in resting him (even if it meant relying on other less experienced quicks)

It ended with Misbah’s shoddy man management in forever burning bridges with him.

People on here say that he should be more contrite, as if he should go through his life forever with his head lowered like some meek so and so.

He served his time, did his penance and came back to win his country an ICC trophy and tests against England and Australia. All whilst being the spearhead after being out of five years. After all that he gets PR black balled for retiring from tests and treated like a pariah.

The result of all that is that he’s now currently breaking bad. He’s got zero f***s left to give and reacting accordingly on social media.

Can he behave better on social media? Absolutely. However, we need to realise that every player is a human being, a complex personality who at the very least needs to be treated with some form of dignity.

We’ve treated Sarfaraz a similar way and we’ve begun to do similar with Imad. I like Mohammad Wasim as a selector, but at the very least he found have communicated with these lads to explain to them why they weren’t picked. Misbah should have done similar with Amir.

That way you don’t burn bridges with players who could be resources for you. It’s something which the board and selectors need to learn fast.

Amir was the best Pakistan bowler at the 2019 WC and he’ll be the best Pakistan ODI bowler in 2023. Food for thought
 
Spot on.

He thought by retiring there will be a void but Shaheen excelled even more.

Not really. Shaheen alone is easily handled by the top teams. You need a _pair_ of bowlers to trouble a good team.

And Shaheen is very much, alone.
 
A little bit sorry for him, but he made mistakes and was punished.

I feel more sorry for Pakistan cricket. He was a generational talent even ahead of the likes of Shaheen who has more advantages due to his height but isn’t as skilled.

He wasn’t the same after the ban but he was still incredible and Pakistan (especially Misbah) managed him very poorly. They ran him into the ground out of stubbornness.
 
I know that I will get a lot of criticism here for the title of the thread alone. I haven't seen many people left here that support Amir, and neither do I to be very honest -- he doesn't deserve to be in the team on merit but I do sympathize for him and wanted to express some of my thoughts here.

In today's cricket, and in any era anywhere, a player would have to perform exceptionally well in domestic cricket to even be considered for national selection. Amir, however, hadn't played even domestic cricket let alone international cricket for 5 whole years, and was fast-tracked into the national team. In addition to that, upon his comeback in test cricket, he had about 16 catches dropped off his bowling within a couple of series. 16 is no mere number, especially when we're talking about dropped catches, and that too off one bowler. Some of those proved to be very costly. That figure alone could devastate and demotivate any bowler, and more so for a man who had been out for so long and had just dramatically returned to bowling to world-class batsmen. Had Pakistan even taken most of those catches, his figures would give him a different outlook and personal confidence.

Even restoring a sufficient fitness level enough to play international cricket is a big task, and the management did not handle him well at all. Bowled him to the ground in all formats of the game. I believe there was a statistic in one of those late 2010s where he had the record for the most balls bowled by a bowler, which is insane considering he went from not playing competitive cricket for 5 years to becoming the spearhead of an international bowling attack and bowling the most deliveries being a fast bowler. No wonder his pace significantly decreased in the last few years.

It is amazing how he still managed to make records and bowl phenomenally at times. He holds the record for the most dot balls in a t20i game (21 dot balls I believe). He turned up in tournaments such as the Asia Cup where he was swinging the ball both ways at 145+ kmh; the 2017 CT which speaks for itself, and the 2019 world cup where he was Pakistan's best bowler and one of the tournament's leading wicket takers. I understand that in bilateral series and more often than not outside of ICC events, Amir had been underwhelming at times, but when I consider some of the factors I mentioned, I can see why he couldn't reach a higher feat in his career.

I know I will get a lot of flack for this post, but I genuinely think that Amir could've been handled better and that he could have had more to contribute to Pakistan cricket, in addition to what he has already accomplished. I expect to see comments saying how he should be lucky that he even got a chance to play again, or that he acts self-entitled, or that he's a crybaby etc etc. He served the ban given to him. The fans can't choose the length of his ban so all he can do is deal with what's given to him by the board and higher ups. I agree that he can complain a lot sometimes, but I am strictly looking at everything here from a cricket point of view and him as a cricketer. In conclusion, I feel like he could've done more.

You are not wrong on what you say, but it is a little difficult to feel sorry for the guy because he could have handled his grievances professionally and put more work into his strength and conditioning / physical fitness, we saw how Mitch Johnson re-invented himself. Amir I agree his return could have been handled better but what has be done on an individual level to better himself? very little, Amir is a very shrewd guy and his performances when he is up for it, speak for themselves but despite all the knowledge out there which he is aware of and support for fast bowlers in the west, he wanted to give up and make a quick buck. I get it, he got a family to provide for to and had to do what he had to do, but to suggest he isn’t at fault at all is false and if his ambitions were serious, he’d have made some sacrifices to improve as a cricketer and rehabilitate his body.
 
I do feel bad for how he was managed. A lot of the judgements on this forum relate to his comments post retirement. However, it’s absolutely clear that his workload after coming back was insane, because we had no other new ball bowlers coming through at the time.

After absolutely bleeding him dry, we then got all precious in our attitude towards him after he prioritised his health and retired from tests.

Misbah, put the icing on the cake by dropping him from white ball squads because of his test retirement. And did this without bothering to communicate with him, as any capable chief selector would do.

As a nation, we all also collectively moved on because we had a shiny new toy in Shaheen, whilst Amir, who had been incredibly over bowled, unsurprisingly lost form and pace.

Thus, it started w/ Inzi’s lack of thought in resting him (even if it meant relying on other less experienced quicks)

It ended with Misbah’s shoddy man management in forever burning bridges with him.

People on here say that he should be more contrite, as if he should go through his life forever with his head lowered like some meek so and so.

He served his time, did his penance and came back to win his country an ICC trophy and tests against England and Australia. All whilst being the spearhead after being out of five years. After all that he gets PR black balled for retiring from tests and treated like a pariah.

The result of all that is that he’s now currently breaking bad. He’s got zero f***s left to give and reacting accordingly on social media.

Can he behave better on social media? Absolutely. However, we need to realise that every player is a human being, a complex personality who at the very least needs to be treated with some form of dignity.

We’ve treated Sarfaraz a similar way and we’ve begun to do similar with Imad. I like Mohammad Wasim as a selector, but at the very least he found have communicated with these lads to explain to them why they weren’t picked. Misbah should have done similar with Amir.

That way you don’t burn bridges with players who could be resources for you. It’s something which the board and selectors need to learn fast.

Amir was the best Pakistan bowler at the 2019 WC and he’ll be the best Pakistan ODI bowler in 2023. Food for thought

This is where I'm coming from! Although I can not see that last statement of yours happening.
 
I'll digress here, I believe the real talent was Asif, not Aamir.

Not discussing who the real talent was between them as it just to leads to the discussion of possibilities. Both were immensely talented but the one who got a chance to play again later on because he still had it in him was handled poorly.
 
This is an unintelligent and false post to generalize Pakistanis.

Pakistan is the most charitable nation on this planet, so please get this idea out of your head that pakistanis in general never want what’s best for you.

PCB spent millions of dollars on Amir by some estimation trying to get him fast tracked and what did he do? Made it a personality matter and decided to retire from international cricket because he didn’t want to work hard enough.

Let's say PCB was charitable enough to spend millions of dollars on Amir -- that's a pretty brainless move to me with no thought process behind it. They thought Amir was going to be some kind of saviour or something, forgetting that he's just human and it's ridiculous to fast-track him back after 5 years of no cricket at all.
 
Whats to feel bad about? He was extremely lucky to get the 2nd chance to play to Pakistan after his cheating scandal (which M.Asif and Salman Butt couldn't) and he blew it up due to his lack of fitness, inconsistent bowling and poor form..
 
You are not wrong on what you say, but it is a little difficult to feel sorry for the guy because he could have handled his grievances professionally and put more work into his strength and conditioning / physical fitness, we saw how Mitch Johnson re-invented himself. Amir I agree his return could have been handled better but what has be done on an individual level to better himself? very little, Amir is a very shrewd guy and his performances when he is up for it, speak for themselves but despite all the knowledge out there which he is aware of and support for fast bowlers in the west, he wanted to give up and make a quick buck. I get it, he got a family to provide for to and had to do what he had to do, but to suggest he isn’t at fault at all is false and if his ambitions were serious, he’d have made some sacrifices to improve as a cricketer and rehabilitate his body.

You aren't wrong, however, I feel most of your points about him resulted from the factors I mentioned. Pakistan handled him poorly, and thus he became what he is. If you remember, the Amir from 2016-19 was just excited to be back and give it his all... had he been managed properly and played moderately, then he'd still be in the roster. I mean it's ridiculous that he was being made to bowl more than anyone in the world considering he was the one who suddenly returned from a 5 year ban. It's as if he was being forced to play.

I do still agree with you to an extent and I wouldn't free Amir of any fault here. I don't believe he should've completely turned his back on the game, but PCB definitely had a huge role to play in his demise.
 
Whats to feel bad about? He was extremely lucky to get the 2nd chance to play to Pakistan after his cheating scandal (which M.Asif and Salman Butt couldn't) and he blew it up due to his lack of fitness, inconsistent bowling and poor form..

Read op again
 
I'll digress here, I believe the real talent was Asif, not Aamir.

Agreed, in hindsight Asif's loss was so much greater and it will stings what could have been such a great career.
Morally and ethically though, not much difference between the two.
 
After the last couple of years with his statements, no. Initially I did feel bad because he essentially got used & thrown away when his body broken down and his pace/skills diminished. He even asked for additional rest but instead, they're playing in him series in Zimbabwe while his pace continued to decline to the point where he's a trundler now.

I think it's been a bad look for the player & PCB IMO.
 
Forget what he did professionally in the game, if you want to know what type of a person he is in real life look no further than his Twitter spat with Harbhajan. Just look at the quality of those tweets, and the language he used for someone 11 years his senior.

That was a window into the real Aamir, as was his "cheap selector" cheap shot. When you put his spot fixing, reported attitude problems and then his tongue all into the same equation it builds a picture where his career downfall was probably self-inflicted.

As far as i know people who have met Aamir in real life also don't have great things to say about the guy.
 
He sold out his nation for a few bucks. I can't feel bad for him.

He was never that good outside of UK anyway. Was quite harmless on flat tracks.
 
Anyone feeling sad for this guy is a sucker. We , including myself, got suckered once and we chose to blame the captain and his age.

But after turning his back on the country again there’s is no way I feel sorry for this guy.
 
He got a second chance and blew it with his antics. Read a tweet where he ridiculed the team selection like a petulant kid. All he needed to do was keep his head down and perform, tolerate all the injustices with dignity and spot-fixing would suddenly become his second claim to fame. We need to adopt the US strategy of not negotiating with terrorists.
 
Agreed, in hindsight Asif's loss was so much greater and it will stings what could have been such a great career.
Morally and ethically though, not much difference between the two.

Asif was pure magic. I was in awe of him during India's tour of Pakistan in 2006. Watching him on youtube still gives me goosebumps.
 
You aren't wrong, however, I feel most of your points about him resulted from the factors I mentioned. Pakistan handled him poorly, and thus he became what he is. If you remember, the Amir from 2016-19 was just excited to be back and give it his all... had he been managed properly and played moderately, then he'd still be in the roster. I mean it's ridiculous that he was being made to bowl more than anyone in the world considering he was the one who suddenly returned from a 5 year ban. It's as if he was being forced to play.

I do still agree with you to an extent and I wouldn't free Amir of any fault here. I don't believe he should've completely turned his back on the game, but PCB definitely had a huge role to play in his demise.

I agree on what the PCB did, but what has Amir done while outside the loop of the PCB set up with all the mentorship from Mickey, his awareness for how fast bowlers should conduct themselves and the resources he could utilise to rehabilitate his body. Truth is though, when he dropped the mic on the PCB / retired from certain forms, he knew his career may be over and decided to make quick buck in T20’s instead. Amir could have reinforced his views by reinventing himself as a cricketer and taking advantage of the resources available to him and looked to secure a county deal, this way not only would Amir be financially rewarded but we’d see the true fruits of his hard work in the FC format. But Amir instead wanted to make the most money for the least effort, he cared not for Pakistan or his own legacy, despite his success he went out on a low and that’s what fans will remember, the spot fixer who ran away.
 
Garbage over rated bowler whose stock was inflated because of the once in a life time series he enjoyed in England on the most green bowling friendly pitches.

His stats overall clearly show he was for the most part an average over rated bowler.
 
Incredible bowler and a match winner , a big match player . I feel bad for Pakistan team to lose the services of one of the best WB bowler , thanks to Misbah's persona issues which he had with many players.
 
Sorry but whatever the issues he had with coaches, selectors or being over bowled The one thing you dont do is turn your back on your national team

Now im not saying he should forever stay in debt for his actions in 2009 But surely someone in his position would do what he can to serve his country for the remaining years he had left in intnl cricket and make people forget his actions

What does amir do Retire for what now seems money and burn his bridges by acting like a rude brat on social media and goes around criticising all and everyone

I mean if your gonna go go quietly

To me he just seems a dishonourable man who has noones interests in his heart but his own

Maybe he thought the pcb would come begging again Players come and go and he should know he had a chance to redeem himself and he blew it
 
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He unfortunately hasnt done himself any favours Youd think hed have learnt a thing or two and be contrite after 5 years away

I mean he may be esrning money now but hes a nobody playing random t20 lesgues

The honour and fame and prsyers are playing for your country which the likes of babar shaheen rizwan are getting

After 2009 he shouldve learnt money comes and goes Success is earnt by hard work and being humble Not by being selfish and self serving
 
Not after reading his tweets or statements. :inti

Exactly this, I don’t understand why players who are on the fringes of the squad & all they need is a good dozen outings to force their way in start to make a fool of themselves on social media!! plus the entitlement will be end of him too , he’s only 30 though & surely does reserve his best for icc events
 
Sorry but whatever the issues he had with coaches, selectors or being over bowled The one thing you dont do is turn your back on your national team

Now im not saying he should forever stay in debt for his actions in 2009 But surely someone in his position would do what he can to serve his country for the remaining years he had left in intnl cricket and make people forget his actions

What does amir do Retire for what now seems money and burn his bridges by acting like a rude brat on social media and goes around criticising all and everyone

I mean if your gonna go go quietly

To me he just seems a dishonourable man who has noones interests in his heart but his own

Maybe he thought the pcb would come begging again Players come and go and he should know he had a chance to redeem himself and he blew it

What do you mean, “whatever issues you have with being overbowled”. Unlike batting, bowling is very strenuous on your back, your knees and your ankles, your shoulders. And the PCB managed that incredibly badly by over bowling him. him taking test retirement to preserve his own body was the reasonable thing to do. It’s on the PCB then to pick him fairly for remaining formats, which Misbah spectacularly messed up. Is his current attitude likeable? Of course not, but this state of affairs doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
 
No.not at all.
Shaheen Naseem Rauf have come on leaps and bounds.
Even hasnain started well today and has shown promise, as has dahani though neither of them are quite where we want them to be yet.
We did it for years by playing waha Riaz over and over , and thankfully we haven't had to keep doing it with Amir.
It's allowed others to come and develop
 
Let's say PCB was charitable enough to spend millions of dollars on Amir -- that's a pretty brainless move to me with no thought process behind it. They thought Amir was going to be some kind of saviour or something, forgetting that he's just human and it's ridiculous to fast-track him back after 5 years of no cricket at all.

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You dont make any sense.

PCB invested money to bring Amir back because you can look at the bowling squad of WC 2015 to get your answer. Sohail Khan, Rahat Ali and Wahab Riaz.

Thats your answer.

Then look at the bowling squad of CT 2017.

Do you see the difference?

Clearly Amir had talent.

However, he refused to accept the responsibility and work hard.

Look at Australian bowlers by comparison. For instance Pat Cummings. Plays Sheffield Shield. Plays BBL. Has been the workhorse of Australian team.

He was not a natural talent but he worked hard.

We expected the same from Amir.

But Amir chose to walk away when it got tough. Also, keep in mind he did not perform at all in many series. Used to go wicketless and wicketless.

I have zero empathy for him.
 
Some people love to play God, don't they? Ridiculous how people can say that he should have acted contrite after his comeback. Why should he? He paid for his crimes and once back in the team, he's just like other players. Cant hang a knife on his head for the rest of the life.

Amir became an ego issue for two terrible man managers in Misbah and Waqar. They made sure he's not part of team in any form, despite being the best bowler in WC, due to his test retirement.

He should've put his head down and worked hard on his fitness and made a comeback once the two phonies were gone.
 
Some people love to play God, don't they? Ridiculous how people can say that he should have acted contrite after his comeback. Why should he? He paid for his crimes and once back in the team, he's just like other players. Cant hang a knife on his head for the rest of the life.

Amir became an ego issue for two terrible man managers in Misbah and Waqar. They made sure he's not part of team in any form, despite being the best bowler in WC, due to his test retirement.

He should've put his head down and worked hard on his fitness and made a comeback once the two phonies were gone.

This, a billion times. Thank you. Ppl base their opinions on him based on his recent bad social media conduct and his initial fixing. That’s it. There’s a lot of revisionism regarding Amir’s effect on the team. It’s not black and white, but it’s a lesson for the PCB in how to manage players. As we’re seeing with Sarfaraz and Imad now, they’re continuing to not pay full attention to the man management aspect, which goes a long way in keeping players motivated, positive.
 
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His career should have ended after what he did in 2010.

He played the innocent teenager card, making the world believe that he was trapped by Salman and Asif because of his young age.

From what I have seen and learnt from his post-comeback behaviour, it is quite apparent that he was well aware of the crime he was commiting back in 2010, and he was not trapped or forced by anyone. He spot-fixed because he wanted to.

The PCB went against the world and gave him a secind chance, at a time when some of his own teammates were refusing to play with a convicted fixer like him.

In return, instead of being grateful and gracious, he started picking and choosing what match/series he wanted to play, he prioritised franchise cricket over national duty, and even left Test cricket to play in T20 leagues.

I am not even talking about his paindu kind of tweets aimed at the PCB, selectors and his nonsense with Harbhajan.

As [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] said, he was never the bowler everyone thought he was. Asif was 10 times the bowler Amir will ever be, and he should have never represented Pakistan after his ban.

We could have won the CT without his spell, that title was won on the back of Fakhar and Hafeez's innings which put too much pressure on India's top order. Any other bowler would have taken those 3 wickets.

No, I don't feel bad for this ungrateful, moralmy corrupt fixer.
 
Some people love to play God, don't they? Ridiculous how people can say that he should have acted contrite after his comeback. Why should he? He paid for his crimes and once back in the team, he's just like other players. Cant hang a knife on his head for the rest of the life.

Amir became an ego issue for two terrible man managers in Misbah and Waqar. They made sure he's not part of team in any form, despite being the best bowler in WC, due to his test retirement.

He should've put his head down and worked hard on his fitness and made a comeback once the two phonies were gone.

Why shouldnt he be grateful to PCB? After what PCB did for him?

Ofcourse the country demanded more.

He did get many chances - he bowled the most number of balls. He just wasnt good enough. His pace dropped to 130s.
That is lack of effort nothing else.
 
The guys a first grade s***head.

Properly run teams shouldn’t keep him around. So in a lot of ways I’m surprised we axed him. However he deserves it.

Move on
 
This, a billion times. Thank you. Ppl base their opinions on him based on his recent bad social media conduct and his initial fixing. That’s it. There’s a lot of revisionism regarding Amir’s effect on the team. It’s not black and white, but it’s a lesson for the PCB in how to manage players. As we’re seeing with Sarfaraz and Imad now, they’re continuing to not pay full attention to the man management aspect, which goes a long way in keeping players motivated, positive.

PCB tried it's best convince Amir to return, then PCB CEO Wasim Khan visited Amir personally trying to talk him out of retirement but Amir showed no interest to play for Pakistan.

Can't blame PCB atleast in this case.
 
Feel sorry for people feeling sorry for Amir. On the other hand, It appears he does not care about Pakistan or his fans.
 
Aligned. I feel really bad for Amir. And for Pak.

I remember the first time I saw him bowl in a televised warm up game vs India back in 2009 before his debut. The whole bowling unit was taken apart including Amir, but Amir stood out with his pace and accuracy. Amir has always been Intelligent, nerveless, and skillful, but before the ban he was also nippy and pacy hitting 90+ MPH in shorter formats. Checkout T20s vs Aus in Eng in 2010? He was QUICK!

After the ban, he was comfortably 5-10 MPH slower and the nip mostly deserted him, which makes sense due to the long break from top level sport. Yet, he was Pak’s best bowler from 2016-2019 at CT17, Asia Cup, and WC19 before he was dropped.

The comparisons with the past and expectations didn’t align with reality and that was a problem with many of the fans. I wonder how traumatic it must be mentally to have to live through all of the embarrassment and ridicule of spot fixing, having to wait all those years and then realize you’re half the bowler after it.. and fall short of expectations. It feels like a lot for one person to go though. And wonder how it impacted his thought processes and some of the decisions that transpired?


I really don’t know whose speaking the truth, whether Amir quit to play leagues or because we was avoiding test cricket. I would not be surprised either way. But the saga cost Pakistan a good bowler in ODIs, but not necessarily the greatest ever bowler or even the pre-ban Amir.
That said, it forced Pakistan into backing the new crop and that crop is now ready, whether it is Rauf, Naseem, or Shaheen.

I continue to think Amir can be tried again in ODI cricket still, which was his strongest suit to start with. Amir can offer that control and reliability and he can be the perfect foil to young guns like Rauf and Shaheen. But Amir needs help and guidance to get there.
 
Amir injured after taking one wicket 1/16 in 1.5 overs

The physio escorted him off the field. Seems to have done his left groin.

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I was one of Amir’s biggest fans. I wanted him to do well post comeback. I genuinely believed he was our best bowler. But he gave up. And when you give up, you lose my respect.

This has nothing to do with match fixing or some debt he needs to pay back to the country etc. I don’t buy in to that nonsense. I also don’t care who was right or wrong regarding his disagreements with Misbah and Waqar. However, the fact that he gave up and lost his ambition, became a cowardly bowler who only tried to cover his back side and protecting his economy rate by bowling all these cutters, slower balls 70% of the time told me this is not the bowler we need. He accepted mediocrity.

We don’t need him at all. We have plenty of fast bowlers now.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir is to have a scan on a groin injury he suffered during Jamaica Tallawahs 37 run win over Guyana Amazon Warriors and which saw Jamaica reach the Caribbean Premier League final <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CPL22?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CPL22</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1575501137850953730?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2022</a></blockquote>
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I feel bad for the fans who support him- and I mean that genuinely.

Here you have a guy who betrayed his nation, but was lucky he was young enough to live out the ban and STILL be invited back into the team while still being relatively young at age 23-25. I emphasize the young part because Asif, despite being far more talented a bowler, did not have age on his side, and was about 37- p much the age a fast bowler begins to fade.

So he got lucky age-wise
Got incredibly lucky to be able to walk back into the team. Imagine you defraud a company, and a few years later the company offers you a job yet again. Same job you had before you back stabbed them.

And then you start acting like a diva.

He could’ve at least played out the rest of his career as reparations for selling out his country- but no- took an early retirement instead.

What is there to feel bad about?
 
Have never seen a hyped up player become so irrelevant.
 
I feel pakistani people have pessmistic attitude and poor intentions for their own people compared to Indians. I have lived in west my entire life and Pakistani's in general never want the best for you. May God guide them

My promotion was blocked at TD Bank in 2015 by the only other Pakistani in the team. Hiring manager was ready and impressed, just needed a rubber stamp from the "brother". My career hasn't recovered since.

As a nation, we all also collectively moved on because we had a shiny new toy in Shaheen, whilst Amir, who had been incredibly over bowled, unsurprisingly lost form and pace.

Everyone's disposable in Pakistan, our lives have no value.
 
Have never seen a hyped up player become so irrelevant.

I would say this about U Akmal instead. At least Amir has his fair share of achievements as a bowler and is still out there being wanted by league franchises. U Akmal, who was once compared to Tendulkar and Kohli doesn't have much to show for a wasted career. So much talent... just wasn't applied.
 
I would say this about U Akmal instead. At least Amir has his fair share of achievements as a bowler and is still out there being wanted by league franchises. U Akmal, who was once compared to Tendulkar and Kohli doesn't have much to show for a wasted career. So much talent... just wasn't applied.

U Akmal was the worst person to have played for Pak

1) His attitude at the beginning was garbage. Remember there were news when he refused to play if K-Akmal was dropped (i think this was in Aus)

2) His off the field attitude & fitness issues

3) his stupidity to play stupid shots and sink the team further was probably only matched by Afridi

4) His ticktock videos are enough to have him banned for life ( its seriously disgusting lol)


Aamir had everything to begin his career and , won T20 WC, had a phenomenal series in SL & Aus & Eng ... had the world at his feet

even after his comeback, he had it going good.

I dont think he was treated fairly but he has more of himself to blame than anyone else ....He ran after money-matches and now is nowhere
 
Good for Amir - didnt play the final due to injury

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Mohammad Amir: Early on I was disappointed (at not playing today). But now it is all fine. It is an amazing feeling and I don't have words to explain. Great feeling for the Jamaica to have won for the first time since 2016. I was frustrated after the start they got. It was a pure, pure team effort. It is my second season in the CPL and it was an amazing experience. I look forward to the next year.


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No denying that he is a big occasion bowler in white ball cricket.

Every big tournament he played, he turned up for Pak and has delivered knife twist in 2 big icc Cup finals.

Critics may feel he turned his back on country but there is major fault of PCB and management handling him also

Boards around world should understand that days of players suffering their whims are over with presence of leagues and alternative employment options. Try and reach compromise situations rather than issue ultimatums.
 
When he got banned in 2010, a time traveller should have whispered in Pakistani fans' ear: his bowling average would end up worse than Salman Butt's batting average.

They would have been spared the half a decade of hope.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir at this year's Caribbean Premier League:<br><br>Overs 38.5<br>Wickets 16 (4th highest)<br>Runs conceded 250<br>Economy-rate 6.43<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CPL22?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CPL22</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/qXsYSTHOmo">pic.twitter.com/qXsYSTHOmo</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1576113248935743492?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2022</a></blockquote>
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He still has it in him. If he played the 6th t20 he would not have gotten smashed around like the other pacers.
 
Hint hint...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">right man for the right job congratulations to <a href="https://twitter.com/najamsethi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@najamsethi</a> sir .</p>— Mohammad Amir (@iamamirofficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamamirofficial/status/1605873423049056256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 22, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
With the prodigious pace bowling talent Pak has, why do still they drool over a criminal like Amir? Rather investing on their emerging talent should do a world of good to Pakistan and the world of cricket..
 
If Naseem, Haris and Shaheen are fit i dunno where to place him in T20s and ODIs. However would still have him in the squad as a 4th bowler.
 
If Naseem, Haris and Shaheen are fit i dunno where to place him in T20s and ODIs. However would still have him in the squad as a 4th bowler.

I think the one format he needs to play is ODI

Ideal new ball bowler. Naseem can play as 4th seamer
 
Let's bring back all the dead wood. Akmal brothers next..hell let's get malik out of retirement. Oh my Lord.
 
Let's bring back all the dead wood. Akmal brothers next..hell let's get malik out of retirement. Oh my Lord.

Did Mickey Arthur play deadwood when he was under Sethi regime employment? Why are you overreacting?

It was Misbah who brought back Shahzad, Umar, Mohammad Irfan and Rizwan in his tenure under Waseem Khan.

Be fair and consistent in your assessment of who loves deadwood!
 
Would be a great addition to our ODI team

His last list A match was October 02, 2019 He should be playing domestic cricket to prove his form. Why should he get a free ticket?

He hasn't performed in PSL in recent times. On what basis he should be picked
 
2021 PSL stats

11 matches - 5 wicket with an economy of 8. 37. :)))
 
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