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[VIDEOS] Bring back Imad Wasim!
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Batting has failed for Imad now - needed him to stay there a bit longer.
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Another loss as skipper for Captain Loudmouth. This guy is delusional if he thinks he can replace Babar 
Another loss as skipper for Captain Loudmouth. This guy is delusional if he thinks he can replace Babar
He's tactfully far better as captain.
And a more utility player than Babar. Better SR, non-selfish and a top top bowler.
All Babar's output in 7 T20 WC games was a SR of 93. Asia Cup performance was similarly poor.
Team's final results are not the only determinant of one's individual abilities
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If so why have they lost 3 out of 3 so far
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They have terrible players.
I also mentioned yesterday that although I don't rate Babar's captaincy, he's can't be held responsible for PZ losing when he has a dreadful bowling attack.
I think it's important to look at things from a more broad perspective rather than blame the player who is actually performing.
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Stay strong Maddy
He’s performed in one facet at least in all 3 games
He’s performed in one facet at least in all 3 games
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Better than Nawaz.
But has poor relations with Babar.
It would be good for Pakistan cricket if the pair can put their problems to the side. We need Imad in the t20 side.
But has poor relations with Babar.
It would be good for Pakistan cricket if the pair can put their problems to the side. We need Imad in the t20 side.
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Not a fan of his cuptaany but yu gotta have him in a t20 squad..
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Well wasim, imad and co were fine when pinning all the blame last year on babar and scapegoating him
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He would be good with better players
The overseas players in KK this season truly suck
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Tbf they should have won 2 out of the 3
Imad is being let down by his key players at crucial moments
Imad is being let down by his key players at crucial moments
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This Tye guy - what is he doing in this team?
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Nailed it.
They badly attempt to criticise Babar and Rizwan individually for not winning trophies (mainly because they have nothing else they can pin on them)
Then all of a sudden when Imad is failing as captain, winning becomes a "team game" and he is being "let down"
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Bizarre
He is a renown T20 bowler but Karachi is not suiting him at all
I doubt Multan or Lahore will suit him either. That over to Guptil (30 runs) is something I wouldn’t even expect from Musa Khan
And did I say it doesn't win you games ?
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You can remove all the water from planet earth and then try to fit his ego there, trust me you will need more space. Keep these politicians away from my team. Thank you.
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They were not wrong in respect of last season.
Babar refused to bat at 3 even though it's blindingly obvious that he shouldn't be opening.
Imad and Wasim get unfairly vilified on here by those who don't know understand the issue.
Wasim mentioned that Babar was batting selfishly. He isn't wrong there. He was vindicated after Babar's awful showing in the Asia Cup and WT20.
What I see is how Misbah has left Pakistan cricket softies for generations to come who get triggered whenever someone challenges Babar's intent with the bat and his role as a T20 opener.
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It is laughable how people are calling him egoist, toxic blah blah, as if they know him personally.
You can take out ego out of Pakistan team of the 80s and 90s and you will be left with a sweet harmless unicorn.
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They don’t like him because of what he did to Rizwan
He will forever be the villain now
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Lol . Lol. Lol.
They lost the game specifically because of his captaincy. When QG were 4 down, he let the pressure off by sticking men on the boundary whilst Ifti and Guptill merrily accumulated and got in.
When Babar has done this type of defensive captaincy we’ve questioned him. Why then does Pakistan’s next great potential captain Imad get a pass?
Also, he needs to bowl the majority of his overs outside the PP to merit a Pakistan place. He’s not bowling in the PP ahead of Shaheen/Naseem/Haris/Amir
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Ah yes, mentality monster Imad. Where was that aggressive winning mentality when he let the pressure off by letting a 4 down QG back into the game?
I’m not especially impressed by Babar’s captaincy, but let’s relax on the Imad hyperbole.
There are better captaincy options then either of these two.
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Babars showing in asia cup and world cup wasnt due to selfishness He was out of form
If you had any idea youd know the difference between a player being selfish and out of form
Babar has left now
On your other point So why arent karachi winning games now? Babars not in the team so you cant blame him this year
The point is imad and co made these big claims about being aggressive this year Having faith in haider sharjeel etc and pinning babar down as the cause of all evil So whats happened now?
Why all of a sudden is the squad being blamed when it wasnt last yr?
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Babar fans behaving like a jealous ex )
“I’m not in your life anymore”
)“I’m not in your life anymore”
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Yup. It’s some folks like Rana on here who want a team comprised of Haider, Sharjeel and Umar Akmal. As if, these tullay will replicate what Butler, Roy and Hales can do because of their “aggressive intent”.
Obviously, skills, fitness and attitude is not part of the equation.
Babar and Rizwan are luxuries for Pakistan who are at least keeping Pakistan competitive.
Yup. It’s some folks like Rana on here who want a team comprised of Haider, Sharjeel and Umar Akmal. As if, these tullay will replicate what Butler, Roy and Hales can do because of their “aggressive intent”.
Obviously, skills, fitness and attitude is not part of the equation.
Babar and Rizwan are luxuries for Pakistan who are at least keeping Pakistan competitive.
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It’s a shame because his much better than Nawaz at 8 but I don’t see him making it back in the foreseeable future unless the captaincy of T20 is removed from Babar.
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Sometimes you have to admire the opposition. The innings Guptill played today wasn't just the best hundred in PSL history but the best knock since the commencement of the competiton.
And what Imad hyperbole? We're talking about what happened behind the scenes last season when Babar was at KK.
The point I was making was Wasim and Imad get too much stick because a bunch of soft and oversensitive Babar fans are getting upset with how their hero got kicked out of the KK team.
As for captaincy options, I mentioned earlier in the week that there were other contenders such as Shaheen and Shadab. In my opinion, Imad would only be ideal if there is no one else suitable because he's just a short term option.
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You're wrong and I'll explain why.
Babar isn't a T20 opener and for those who are in touch with the modern game also know he's not fit to be playing T20s but that's another discussion to be had at another time.
Babar deep down knows he isn't best suited to open but what makes matters worse is the fact that he was unable to utilise the powerplay because of how trash his batting was. He should've swallowed his ego and let Haris open with Rizwan during the WT20 in Australia but he didn't let that happen because he's selfish. There's no 2 ways about it. Stop living in denial.
You ask why KK aren't winning but that's the wrong way to look at it. Babar has failed miserably as captain for not just KK, but also for Pakistan in all formats.
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Babar fans behaving like a jealous ex
“I’m not in your life anymore”
They really need to stop living in denial and accept the following:
1. He's not a T20 batsman - just like how England and Australia ditched Root and Smith in the shortest format, Pakistan should have adopted the same approach for Babar but they're not in touch with the modern game.
2. Even if he was a T20 batsman - he certainly isn't an opener. What kind of opener goes at a run a ball strike rate during the powerplay?
3. He refuses to bat at 3 because he's selfish
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He also refuses to bat at 3 because he isn’t good enough to accelerate and set the tone of an innings like Kohli, Smith or RVD.
Babar knows that the only way he can score runs and sustain the ‘brand’ is by opening and scoring P poor runs.
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Big game tomorrow from Imad.
Last time he was captain during this hotly contested derby he got out for a duck and then chickened out of bowling to Fakhar Zaman by saying it was a 'strategy'
Will he have the guts to bowl to the military man tomorrow?
Last time he was captain during this hotly contested derby he got out for a duck and then chickened out of bowling to Fakhar Zaman by saying it was a 'strategy'
Will he have the guts to bowl to the military man tomorrow?
Babar is not a great t20i player. But if you have him in your team you have to build everything around him. He has to be the sole anchor and he has to open.
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Imad Wasim is a Must Have in our limited over teams.
He is bowling well and he is hitting them big , can bowl economical overs in first powerplay. There is no way he should be out of our next t20/odi squad.
He is bowling well and he is hitting them big , can bowl economical overs in first powerplay. There is no way he should be out of our next t20/odi squad.
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More heartburn for his haters. Scores an unbeaten 35 off 19 balls.
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Absolutely bossed big mouth Shaheen
Sochna bhi mana hai my foot!
Sochna bhi mana hai my foot!
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It was good to see Imad perform against Pakistan's best bowler. There's no way Babar can leave him out of the side now.
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No issues w/ him being in the T20 squad. His ODI numbers have not been great.
In any case, he needs to show that he can bowl the majority of his overs outside the power play to merit a place. We have enough super PP options.
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There is because Imad isn’t his friend and he’s toxic apparently
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Credit to Imad, he’s bowled well outside the power play here. That’s the potential role he needs to play for Pakistan,( along with not slagging off his future teammates in public.)
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Great bowling today so far.
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In comparison to Nawaz it's like a Ferrari versus a Ford Focus.
Pakistan cannot afford to play favourites. Imad needs to be in the side, and it's Babar's responsibility as captain to put his personal beef to the side for the sake of the country.
It's good to see Imad perform in a way that nobody can ignore him anymore. This is the way to get your own back - do all your talking with the bat and ball.
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Yea and Pakistan needs to replace Babar as captain with Imad
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If he didn’t think he was Gary Sobers on the pitch and Tino Best off it, maybe he would be in the team.
In any place of work you need to humble yourself, but my guy thinks he is the best thing since Jesus walked on water.
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This is true, but Babar needs to learn to manage big personalities. It's all well and good having a bunch of guys respect him but sometimes the best players are people who are your rivals and trying to usurp you.
The Pakistani mentality seems to be to sideline those who aren't in your 'group'. This is not the way forward. The best captains need to grit their teeth and learn not only how to accomodate their difficult players but also get the best out of them.
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I would agree with you but why should he go out of his way for Imad, don’t get me wrong he is good, but he isn’t THAT good. England didn’t think twice about dropping KP and Imad isn’t half the player and in his category, he isn’t exactly Shakib Al Hassan or Jadeja that they need to move mountains for a guy with a horrible attitude even though he is ok in T20’s
In t20s fair enough should be in the squad but not in odis unless he bats at and 6.
In t20s he's very good in odis he's very average.
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To be honest I dislike the guy for his ego but in purely cricketing terms I think he can be a decent option if he’s chosen as a bowling all-rounder in T20Is and as a batting AR in ODIs.
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The Gary Sobers of T20’s wont drastically change Pakistan’s fortunes, do they really need to trouble themselves?
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Michael Vaughan you will always have players with bigger egos that will be harder to manage. Examples of those during his time as England captain were KP and Flintoff but he always maintained it's about learning how to manage these players.
Babar is an insecure softie to be brutally honest. What I mean by that is he'll do anything possible to stay in his comfort zone with his mates and other players who admire him. He's a meek and timid individual who can't handle big egos and as he's not a natural leader there's no way you can expect him to manage those bigger personalities who will speak their mind and challenge his decisions.
Pakistan cricket unfortunately has a toxic seniority culture that needs to be killed off. In this context, Babar doesn't want anyone in the team who can stand up to his poor tactical nous and selfishness as he refuses to bat at 3.
There needs to be a culture shift in Pakistan cricket where players can challenge each other regardless of seniority. This is how you learn from each other and develop ideas.
The audacity for anyone to claim Imad is the one with the "ego" is well off the mark because it's actually Babar who is his putting his personal interests above meritocracy. There's only one man who has an ego and it's certainly not Imad. He's just standing up for himself and saying it as it is.
Babar is an insecure softie to be brutally honest. What I mean by that is he'll do anything possible to stay in his comfort zone with his mates and other players who admire him. He's a meek and timid individual who can't handle big egos and as he's not a natural leader there's no way you can expect him to manage those bigger personalities who will speak their mind and challenge his decisions.
Pakistan cricket unfortunately has a toxic seniority culture that needs to be killed off. In this context, Babar doesn't want anyone in the team who can stand up to his poor tactical nous and selfishness as he refuses to bat at 3.
There needs to be a culture shift in Pakistan cricket where players can challenge each other regardless of seniority. This is how you learn from each other and develop ideas.
The audacity for anyone to claim Imad is the one with the "ego" is well off the mark because it's actually Babar who is his putting his personal interests above meritocracy. There's only one man who has an ego and it's certainly not Imad. He's just standing up for himself and saying it as it is.
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Well said. Let’s call these posters “The Softie Troops”.
Their urge for humbleness bores me to the core.
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Performances:
Imad is far outperforming Nawaz with the bat right now. Imad is also bowling well outside the power play, except for when TKC walloped him all over Imad’s home ground. Nawaz has been good with the ball, but Imad is a better all round package ATM.
So Imad definitely should be in Pakistan’s T20 squads, and if he bowls all his overs outside the PP, he could be in the team.
Mentality:
I keep hearing about the Mentality monster that Imad is. And how he should be captain instead of Babar.
Make no mistake, Imad is an ordinary captain. Before today, the three losses were down to misjudged team combinations. He was also directly responsible for letting Quetta back into the game by letting them have easy singles. He did the same today when Fakhar and Baig were batting. He’s got the PR of having an ‘aggressive’ , but there’s nothing aggressive about his captaincy. Babar isn’t a great captain, but Imad’s no improvement either.
So happy to have Imad in T20 squads (and possibly in the team), but in no way is he a contender for the captaincy.
Imad is far outperforming Nawaz with the bat right now. Imad is also bowling well outside the power play, except for when TKC walloped him all over Imad’s home ground. Nawaz has been good with the ball, but Imad is a better all round package ATM.
So Imad definitely should be in Pakistan’s T20 squads, and if he bowls all his overs outside the PP, he could be in the team.
Mentality:
I keep hearing about the Mentality monster that Imad is. And how he should be captain instead of Babar.
Make no mistake, Imad is an ordinary captain. Before today, the three losses were down to misjudged team combinations. He was also directly responsible for letting Quetta back into the game by letting them have easy singles. He did the same today when Fakhar and Baig were batting. He’s got the PR of having an ‘aggressive’ , but there’s nothing aggressive about his captaincy. Babar isn’t a great captain, but Imad’s no improvement either.
So happy to have Imad in T20 squads (and possibly in the team), but in no way is he a contender for the captaincy.
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Two things can be correct at the same time:
1) Babar is not a natural leader, who’s de facto selected too many ‘company men’ in his squads.
2) Imad is egotistical figure who needs to be reign his public comments in. I have zero issues with team mates challenging each other, but it needs to be done behind closed doors. Mouthing off to the public isn’t leadership, not is it a sign of a strong mentality. It’s just look at me pageantry that Imad’s doing.
I was waiting to see mentality monster Imad’s captaincy this PSL. I’ve been severely disappointed. His shoddy team combinations are in him. The Quetta loss is directly on him, given how he let them in w/ defensive fields, after reducing QG to 25/4. That’s the sort of meek, cake cutting captaincy that you’ve accused Babar of. Imad was up to it again in this LQ game, when he was letting Fakhar and Baig take easy singles. Babar is not a great captain, but neither is Imad, even if he talks a big game.
The best captain in PSLs for a few years now, has been Rizwan. His players enjoy playing for him and have over performed. Just look at how the likes of Abbas Afridi and Khushdil have done under him.
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Mate, you can be tough without resorting to acting like a tw** . See Mahinder Singh Dhoni.
Problem is, this has become an Imad Vs Babar the softie issue. Problem is, when you look at Imad on his own merits, there’s not much there at all, leadership wise, that stands out.
Problem is, this has become an Imad Vs Babar the softie issue. Problem is, when you look at Imad on his own merits, there’s not much there at all, leadership wise, that stands out.
The best players are always outside the national team.
Probably don't need to trouble themselves tbh.
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Imad needed to shut his mouth and let his performances do the talking
Like afridi said to amir With what face are you gonna play with babar in the same team whilst behaving like that?
Its no way to go on disrespecting the captain of the national team and wanting him to be sacked
Like afridi said to amir With what face are you gonna play with babar in the same team whilst behaving like that?
Its no way to go on disrespecting the captain of the national team and wanting him to be sacked
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Imad is one of most professional and charismatic individuals in Pakistan cricket circuit. He does not need to shut his mouth.
He has achieved and accomplished more than most players.
What's he accomplished ?
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He bowled at a 2.88 economy rate after the opening loss against India. One of the reasons why Pakistan was such a lethal force as a bowling side in that tournament.
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Winning U19 WC, Winning CT, Winning PSL, Winning CPL.
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Do we need another all-rounder in ODIs though who won't even pick up wickets? Imad is a great T20 bowler but his bowling numbers in ODIs are terrible. He has a bowling average of 44 and the bulk of his wickets have come against low-quality oppositions.
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Imad should not only be in our IT20 team but should be made captain as well.
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You have beautifully ignored his bowling economy rate of 4.88 in ODIs. He is an allrounder who would be forming part of a 6 man bowling attack.
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I would play him primarily as a lower middle order batsman at number 6. He averages 40+ at a strike rate of 110. I can’t think of anyone else who can fulfil this role better than him.
I would say his bowling is a bonus. Nawaz and Shadab should be our frontline spinners
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At the moment he is probably a better option than Harris Sohail
Imad is a good batsman. Don’t know why he doesn’t taking his batting seriously and works more on his bowling
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I think the way the current Pakistan T20 team is set up it doesn’t quite suit having Imad in the side
Babar prefers to go with Shaheen first over and Naseem 2nd over. This is fine
Rizwan would probably prefer Imad to open first over as he clearly has a strategy of using a left arm darter first over to build up dots from one end for a couple of overs
It’s a weird situation. I don’t like Babar and Rizwan as leaders or even T20 players but strategy wise I understand why Imad might not fit in at least in Babar’s plan
Babar prefers to go with Shaheen first over and Naseem 2nd over. This is fine
Rizwan would probably prefer Imad to open first over as he clearly has a strategy of using a left arm darter first over to build up dots from one end for a couple of overs
It’s a weird situation. I don’t like Babar and Rizwan as leaders or even T20 players but strategy wise I understand why Imad might not fit in at least in Babar’s plan
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There you go. It was never about Imad not being good enough. If he bowls the majority of his overs outside the power play, he’s in my Pakistan T20 team. The only time is drop him in place of Nawaz, was if the pitch was a true turner.
And this is regardless of where Babar/Rizwan bat themselves. Imad, despite his fireworks, will always be a bowler who can bat. He needs to be treated as such.
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Imad Wasim has already led KK to a PSL win but you're writing him off based on one game against QG, where Guptill played the greatest innings in PSL history. Sometimes you just have to give credit to the opposition where due.
You've rightfully acknowledged Babar's flaws as captain but you're making it sound as if Imad is on his level which is comical to say the least.
I think there's a lot of misplaced criticism towards Imad. His exclusion is completely unjustified and is harming the best interests of Pakistan cricket. Whether one likes him or not is simply irrelevant.
Babar is the problem because he's too selfish to bat down at 3 and his poor captaincy has been exposed time and time again for everyone to see. Imad can see it and has had enough of it. I really don't blame him because it's holding Pakistan cricket back.
I don't think Rizwan is fit to captain Pakistan for 2 reasons:
1. I don't want to see the return of Tableeghi in full swing like we experienced during the Inzi era.
2. More importantly, his lack of offside game is a telling sign that he's not going to last long in Pakistan colours. He's a medicore player who had a purple patch and his time will be up soon. The only reason I would select him is because there's no viable alternatives with the gloves.
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Haris Sohail is the more talented batsman but I would trust Imad more when the stakes are high/tough situations.
I think is taking steps to increase his responsibility with the bat. He promoted himself up to 5. What made me laugh during the match thread yesterday, there was a Misbah fan who said "he think's highly of his batting". Seeing him hit Shaheen for a couple of sixes humbled him for sure. Imad's blind haters and Misbah fans are so clueless.
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If he wants to play as a batter than he will have to continue performing with the bat. Not just in the PSL but in the Pakistan Cup too. He has outstanding batting numbers but he also hasn't played an ODI in 3 years.
Right now, it will be hard for him to crack into team as a batting all-rounder at 5 or 6 when there are guys like Haris Sohail, Salman Agha, Iftikhar, Mohammad Haris all vying for those spots.
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If he wants to play as a batting all-rounder he will have to do better than guys like Haris Sohail, Salman Agha, Mohammad Haris, Iftikhar...all of whom would likely be preferred over Imad by the selectors. And all of whom bring something more to the table than just their batting.
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Wow, there’s some generous rewriting of history here.
Imad didn’t lead KK to the PSL title because of some captaincy mastery. KK get into the playoffs based on the weight of Babar’s runs, Sharjeel’s cameos, Amir and Jordan’s performances.
They then got lucky with the season break because of covid. At the time, Multan were absolutely demolishing everyone.
The season then breaks for Covid and the world turns upside down.
In the meantime, Dean Jones sadly passes away and that gives further impetus for the KK boys to win it for ‘Ustad’.
The PSL then comes back for the playoffs, to empty stadia with undercooked pitches.
Multan lose all their main overseas guys to availability as well.
Karachi win the toss everytime on stodgy pitches and then chase down underwhelming totals Vs undercooked 2nd XIs. Credit to them for doing that, but it was not done via some exceptional captaincy.
Thereby lies my point. Imad is not an exceptional captain. He’s not a tangible improvement over Babar, even if he’s a marginal one. His captaincy in this PSL has underlined that. Had he been aggressive w/ his bowling plans and lost, I would applauded him. But he kept it painfully safe.
I’ve never questioned Imad’s ability and merit in being in the T20 squad, but his captaincy abilities are PR.
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