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RedwoodOriginal said:
If he wants to play as a batting all-rounder he will have to do better than guys like Haris Sohail, Salman Agha, Mohammad Haris, Iftikhar...all of whom would likely be preferred over Imad by the selectors. And all of whom bring something more to the table than just their batting.
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There is confusion here. Imad is a not batting or bowling allrounder. He is unique.

He is one of those guys who will win you one match with bowling and next with batting. A bit like Razzaq.

Hence his competition is not with Haris, Ifti, Agha or Haris.
 
topspin said:
I don't think Rizwan is fit to captain Pakistan for 2 reasons:

1. I don't want to see the return of Tableeghi in full swing like we experienced during the Inzi era.
2. More importantly, his lack of offside game is a telling sign that he's not going to last long in Pakistan colours. He's a medicore player who had a purple patch and his time will be up soon. The only reason I would select him is because there's no viable alternatives with the gloves.
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Re: Rizwan’s suitability as captain, here are my retorts

1) Rizwan is personally religious, but he’s never imposed on anyone. That’s the difference between him and Inzi, who was an all powerful captain

2) His lack of offside game is an issue, but it only affects a specific type of length. He continues to work on it, and has enough other shots to keep a decent enough s/r. Were he mediocre, his purple patch wouldn’t start again, as it has done this PSL. It also shows the man’s strength of character, that he keeps coming back. Whilst I take the point on there being a timidity issue in the Pakistan squad, Rizzy ain’t one of them. Just because he’s less show than tell, doesn’t make him any less of a fighter.

3) The guy is a born leader. You just need to see Khushdil, Usama Mir and guys like Abbas Afridi under Rizzy’s captaincy Vs elsewhere. He gets the best out of his players. It’s the reason why foreign players enjoy playing for Multan. Just see Rilee Roussow’s instagram. The bonding and team camaraderie is one of their main strengths, and the results are on the pitch, where Multan are very competitive.
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Wow, there’s some generous rewriting of history here.

Imad didn’t lead KK to the PSL title because of some captaincy mastery. KK get into the playoffs based on the weight of Babar’s runs, Sharjeel’s cameos, Amir and Jordan’s performances.

They then got lucky with the season break because of covid. At the time, Multan were absolutely demolishing everyone.

The season then breaks for Covid and the world turns upside down.

In the meantime, Dean Jones sadly passes away and that gives further impetus for the KK boys to win it for ‘Ustad’.

The PSL then comes back for the playoffs, to empty stadia with undercooked pitches.

Multan lose all their main overseas guys to availability as well.

Karachi win the toss everytime on stodgy pitches and then chase down underwhelming totals Vs undercooked 2nd XIs. Credit to them for doing that, but it was not done via some exceptional captaincy.

Thereby lies my point. Imad is not an exceptional captain. He’s not a tangible improvement over Babar, even if he’s a marginal one. His captaincy in this PSL has underlined that. Had he been aggressive w/ his bowling plans and lost, I would applauded him. But he kept it painfully safe.

I’ve never questioned Imad’s ability and merit in being in the T20 squad, but his captaincy abilities are PR.
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No problem if you don't want Imad to be the next Pakistan captain however you're showing your bias here since you can't give any credit to him for the role he played to help KK to win their first PSL. But this what happens when Misbah has created a generation of Softie Troops who just want an obedient captain with loafers and no socks.

Babar has led KK and Pakistan in the past. The less said about his performance as skipper for both sides the better.
 
topspin said:
No problem if you don't want Imad to be the next Pakistan captain however you're showing your bias here since you can't give any credit to him for the role he played to help KK to win their first PSL. But this what happens when Misbah has created a generation of Softie Troops who just want an obedient captain with loafers and no socks.

Babar has led KK and Pakistan in the past. The less said about his performance as skipper for both sides the better.
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Rather than stating he can't give credit and he is biased perhaps it would be better to detail why you think Imad's captaincy contributed to their PSL victory.

Chances are you can't and therefore have to continue to hide behind ad homenim attacks on posters and other players.
 
gazza619 said:
There is confusion here. Imad is a not batting or bowling allrounder. He is unique.

He is one of those guys who will win you one match with bowling and next with batting. A bit like Razzaq.

Hence his competition is not with Haris, Ifti, Agha or Haris.
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Has he won any T20is with his batting?

Let's not rewrite history here. He is a fine bowler who can bat a bit and deserves to be selected on that basis.

No need to elevate him to unique status :))
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Rather than stating he can't give credit and he is biased perhaps it would be better to detail why you think Imad's captaincy contributed to their PSL victory.
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You must have a short memory because I actually addressed this in a discussion we had last week.

DeadlyVenom said:
Chances are you can't and therefore have to continue to hide behind ad homenim attacks on posters and other players.
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With all due respect, I can't explain this to you again because a Misbah fan would never understand what a good captain entails.

I also think it would be useful to learn how to spell "ad hominem" before coming up with such claims as well.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
If he wants to play as a batter than he will have to continue performing with the bat. Not just in the PSL but in the Pakistan Cup too. He has outstanding batting numbers but he also hasn't played an ODI in 3 years.

Right now, it will be hard for him to crack into team as a batting all-rounder at 5 or 6 when there are guys like Haris Sohail, Salman Agha, Iftikhar, Mohammad Haris all vying for those spots.
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Firstly, Salman Agha didn't even get picked for any of the PSL squads. If he was highly rated in white ball cricket there's no way he would've been overlooked by any of the franchises. He's done well in ODIs after 6 matches however half of those games were played against the Netherlands.

Haris Sohail has played 3 ODIs this year after making his first reappearance to the ODI side since 2020. He's averaged 21 so far and I'm not entirely convinced he's gonna do much better because his fitness and work ethic isn't the best.

Ifti's ODI career has never taken off and that's because he averages in the mid 20s with a strike rate of c.84.

Mohamamad Haris is a good prospect but I would rather see him open the bat.

I think you can pick the best one out of Haris, Salman Agha and Ifti to bat at 5 and have Imad at 6.
 
topspin said:
No problem if you don't want Imad to be the next Pakistan captain however you're showing your bias here since you can't give any credit to him for the role he played to help KK to win their first PSL. But this what happens when Misbah has created a generation of Softie Troops who just want an obedient captain with loafers and no socks.

Babar has led KK and Pakistan in the past. The less said about his performance as skipper for both sides the better.
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I never questioned the role Imad played in KK’s title win. His ability as a player has never been in question.

Multiple things can be right at the same time:

Imad is NOT a special captain. He’s as generic as it gets.

Babar is not a great as a captain.

The Pakistan team needs a mentality shift.

All three things can be true. Also, don’t understand how Misbah somehow affects my opinions?!?!
 
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topspin said:
Firstly, Salman Agha didn't even get picked for any of the PSL squads. If he was highly rated in white ball cricket there's no way he would've been overlooked by any of the franchises. He's done well in ODIs after 6 matches however half of those games were played against the Netherlands.

Haris Sohail has played 3 ODIs this year after making his first reappearance to the ODI side since 2020. He's averaged 21 so far and I'm not entirely convinced he's gonna do much better because his fitness and work ethic isn't the best.

Ifti's ODI career has never taken off and that's because he averages in the mid 20s with a strike rate of c.84.

Mohamamad Haris is a good prospect but I would rather see him open the bat.

I think you can pick the best one out of Haris, Salman Agha and Ifti to bat at 5 and have Imad at 6.
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PSL has very little to do with international cricket. In the precent past Shoaib Malik and Wahab Riaz have dominated the charts but they didn't get selected for Pakistan. Similarly, it doesn't matter what the franchises think of Salman Agha. He has an average of 61 and a SR of 109 and there's no way he is getting dropped.

Iftikhar is in the form of his life and unlikely to just get ignored based on the way he is playing.

Haris Sohail may not have delivered but he is a player who has done very well for Pakistan in ODI cricket. And there's no reason why he couldn't do well again. Probably needs to do more in domestic himself but he too is ahead in line from Imad.

And Mohammad Haris is simply not displacing Fakhar Zaman and Imam-Ul-Haq...nor should he.

Imad has done well but let's not act like he has earned a spot back. So far he has played a couple of good innings. One of which couldn't even win his side the match. He needs to do alot more with the bat to even be considered for selection as a batting all-rounder.
 
gazza619 said:
There is confusion here. Imad is a not batting or bowling allrounder. He is unique.

He is one of those guys who will win you one match with bowling and next with batting. A bit like Razzaq.

Hence his competition is not with Haris, Ifti, Agha or Haris.
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I can only recall one situation where Imad did this and that was the match against Afghanistan at the World Cup. Some of his best knocks have come in losing causes. Especially those at the start of his career when he was averaging 70 or something.

He's a good player who probably got the short end of the stick when he was dropped. But he is not some great all-rounder in mold of someone like Razzaq.

And if you want him playing at No.6 than he has to prove himself to be someone you can rely on.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
PSL has very little to do with international cricket. In the precent past Shoaib Malik and Wahab Riaz have dominated the charts but they didn't get selected for Pakistan. Similarly, it doesn't matter what the franchises think of Salman Agha. He has an average of 61 and a SR of 109 and there's no way he is getting dropped.

Iftikhar is in the form of his life and unlikely to just get ignored based on the way he is playing.

Haris Sohail may not have delivered but he is a player who has done very well for Pakistan in ODI cricket. And there's no reason why he couldn't do well again. Probably needs to do more in domestic himself but he too is ahead in line from Imad.

And Mohammad Haris is simply not displacing Fakhar Zaman and Imam-Ul-Haq...nor should he.

Imad has done well but let's not act like he has earned a spot back. So far he has played a couple of good innings. One of which couldn't even win his side the match. He needs to do alot more with the bat to even be considered for selection as a batting all-rounder.
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If Salman Agha was actually half decent there's no way any of the PSL sides would've ignored him. I've just had a look at his List A and domestic T20 stats and as expected it doesn't warrant him a selection for the PSL. If you're striking it at 112 in domestic T20s how is he suited to batting at 5 or 6? How do you expect him to deliver when the run rate is mounting?

There's no doubt that Iftikhar has played some gems of late but I've also seen him beaten for pace resulting him to be often trapped LBW over the last 4 months. He's a lot older than the age that's been specified by him and I just think his reflexes are started fade away.

Mohammad Haris isn't going to last long enough to be a permanent number 5 or 6 at this stage of his career.

You say PSL has "very little to do with international cricket". I would disagree especially in the case of Imad. The guy played a gem on Sunday against the Lahore Qalanders where he hit Pakistan's best bowler for 2 x sixes when it looked like LQ had clawed their way back in the contest. We need players who can rise to the occasion when the stakes are high during the 2023 World Cup.

Imad has that self belief and confidence to rise to the occasion when his team needs it the most. I'm not convinced guys like Salman Agha, Haris Sohail, Iftikhar and etc can stand up and pull it off against Shaheen and other bowlers of similar calibre especially when the team is on the ropes.

Imad's ODI stats are no fluke. He has a proven track record and I think someone with his strong mental attributes is what's needed in the World Cup later this year. After the World Cup, Pakistan should move on from him and look to give a younger player a chance to cement one of the lower middle order spots.
 
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KingOfPakBreakfast said:
I never questioned the role Imad played in KK’s title win. His ability as a player has never been in question.

Multiple things can be right at the same time:

Imad is NOT a special captain. He’s as generic as it gets.

Babar is not a great as a captain.

The Pakistan team needs a mentality shift.

All three things can be true. Also, don’t understand how Misbah somehow affects my opinions?!?!
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There’s no problem if you don’t rate Imad as captain but I get the feeling this is based on an image you have of him, as someone who is disruptive and hostile. This to me comes across as soft and reminds me of the Misbah era just because he’s not your typical timid and obedient Pakistani cricketer.

I don’t think you have a personal dislike of Imad because you’ve given him his due credit as a player but when it comes to captaincy I think you’re too fixated on the comments he made towards Babar. I don’t have a problem with what he said because I genuinely think he cares about the best interests of Pakistan cricket because unlike our current captain he doesn’t look to pad up his stats and play for his milestones.
 
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Imad has just as much a right to be Pakistan T20I captain as Babar or Rizwan.

If he does well in PSL, then by all means he should be made captain, if it benefits Pakistan.
 
Next T20 Captain should be the current VC Shadab. Enough of these mediocre Babar, Shan, or Imad.
 
topspin said:
There’s no problem if you don’t rate Imad as captain but I get the feeling this is based on an image you have of him, as someone who is disruptive and hostile. This to me comes across as soft and reminds me of the Misbah era just because he’s not your typical timid and obedient Pakistani cricketer.

I don’t think you have a personal dislike of Imad because you’ve given him his due credit as a player but when it comes to captaincy I think you’re too fixated on the comments he made towards Babar. I don’t have a problem with what he said because I genuinely think he cares about the best interests of Pakistan cricket because unlike our current captain he doesn’t look to pad up his stats and play for his milestones.
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Whilst I was annoyed about Imad’s media comments, that’s a very small part of my issues with his captaincy. Again, want to reiterate that I have no issues with him as a player.

He is as risk averse a captain as Babar is. Keep men on the edge of the circle when you have the opposition under pressure. Not keeping slips in long enough. Indecisive Team selections (see KK’s ever changing line ups). Not trusting and developing young players properly (see Qasim Akram and Umer Khan). Choosing the TTF option (Yamin) over the younger quick (Mohammad Umar).

So, whilst Imad may be more of a ‘sparky’ character than Babar, he’s demonstrably not a big enough upgrade over Babar.

In comparison, someone like a Rizwan instils belief in his charges. Just look at how Abbas Afridi, Usama Mir and Ihsanullah are performing under him. Even the foreign players like Roussow, Tim David and Brathwaite love playing under him. Because he leads, rather than instructs.

Shaheen and Shadab have also done very well as well. In my opinion, regardless of results, they’ve all out captained Imad.
 
I remember one time during a PSL match a few years v Lahore he chickened out from bowling at all.

Today he only bowled 2 overs.

When a player is scared to bowl himself in domestic cricket then to me it's not a good sign.

Especially today when he saw spinners were doing ok.
 
Leading all-rounder in PSL

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Asif321 said:
Legend . No way Nawaz can do this . Should be proud of his effort
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He played very well. Credit to him.

However his ultra fans on this forum are not in favour of celebrating losses and making runs in losing causes. They are fans of hard men who play aggressive credit and get their team over the lane.

Out of respect for them we should not cut any metaphorical cakes to celebrate a good knock in what was ultimately a losing cause.
 
Imad tried his best yet again.

A team that has kachra like Haider and Cutting in the playing XI doesnt deserve to win unfortunately.
 
No need, he sucked against Ihsanullah who is a proper bowler.
 
The only question that matters is: Is Imad better than Nawaz?

Based on current form, the answer is a resounding YES! Imad is head and shoulders above Nawaz.

Deserves a place in the side
 
Snowflake said:
The only question that matters is: Is Imad better than Nawaz?

Based on current form, the answer is a resounding YES! Imad is head and shoulders above Nawaz.

Deserves a place in the side
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He should be brought into the squad.

But I think a more pertinent question is - can he bat like this in international cricket?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He should be brought into the squad.

But I think a more pertinent question is - can he bat like this in international cricket?
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We can only answer this by giving him a go. He's been terrific this season and deserves a call back.
 
Snowflake said:
The only question that matters is: Is Imad better than Nawaz?

Based on current form, the answer is a resounding YES! Imad is head and shoulders above Nawaz.

Deserves a place in the side
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100% deserves a place in the side. But not as captain.

One of the strengths of a captain is to know when to bowl your bowlers.

Anybody who’s got even an inkling of domestic cricket would know that it’s better to give Muhammad Umar and Akif the new ball. Give these two the death overs on a road, against a well set Rizwan was always only going to go one way. The best captains know how to develop players.

The fact that he didn’t bowl himself out, on a pitch where spinners were getting hit less, is equally weird.
 
Imad is going to WC it’s certain . Babar likes it or not . I think he will be forced into it
 
Will his fans (who criticise pakistans nearly men and say its not about stat padding but about winning) criticise his failure of not crossing the finisihing line?

Its becoming a bit of a habit imad being not out at the end and karachi losing by a handful of runs

What do they have to say about the above today
 
Zaz said:
Will his fans (who criticise pakistans nearly men and say its not about stat padding but about winning) criticise his failure of not crossing the finisihing line?

Its becoming a bit of a habit imad being not out at the end and karachi losing by a handful of runs

What do they have to say about the above today
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Malik and Haider 29 of 36 combined on a flat pitch where 200 plus is par poor batting.
 
Zaz said:
Will his fans (who criticise pakistans nearly men and say its not about stat padding but about winning) criticise his failure of not crossing the finisihing line?

Its becoming a bit of a habit imad being not out at the end and karachi losing by a handful of runs

What do they have to say about the above today
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I think today you have to look at:

Haider Ali 12 off 17
Cutting 12 off 10
Malik 13 off 19

37 runs off 46 balls
Imad made 46* off 26 balls
 
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Zaz said:
Will his fans (who criticise pakistans nearly men and say its not about stat padding but about winning) criticise his failure of not crossing the finisihing line?

Its becoming a bit of a habit imad being not out at the end and karachi losing by a handful of runs

What do they have to say about the above today
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He took us over the line against the Afghanis in the last ODI World Cup which I watched live at Leeds...so he is always okay in my books...should have never been kicked out of the squad over the likes of Asif Ali and HappyHeart...
 
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Cric1234 said:
Malik and Haider 29 of 36 combined on a flat pitch where 200 plus is par poor batting.
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Who picked these two for KK? No one forced Imad and Wasim to villainize Babar and draft in two losers instead. Both Imad and Wasim created a team for failures and now they're shocked when they're losing games.

Most of PP saw an incoming disastrous season for KK that these two stooges were blind to see. KK is reaping the reward of their terrible selections.
 
Zaz said:
Will his fans (who criticise pakistans nearly men and say its not about stat padding but about winning) criticise his failure of not crossing the finisihing line?

Its becoming a bit of a habit imad being not out at the end and karachi losing by a handful of runs

What do they have to say about the above today
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I think this post and going by the responses (above) shows either you have a clear agenda against Imad or you don't understand who's truly worthy of the blame.
 
I feel sorry for the guy because he has so many trash players in his team.
 
ima did playing good cricket in PSL 8 but can he perform against international teams?.
 
Major said:
No need, he sucked against Ihsanullah who is a proper bowler.
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This is poor logic.

Most if not all Pakistan players would've "sucked" against Ihsanullah especially your beloved Misbah.
 
After Abdul Razzaq, Imad has given me some Joy contributing with both bat and ball down the order. HE DIDNT finish since he bats down the order and on two occasions malik choked causing Karachi to lose momentum.

I will even take non performing Imad in place of Nawaz and other wannabe All rounders, it was just the Internal politics or maybe the paindus didnt like the well groomed person that Imad is! dosti and yari company destroying the team period.
 
Saj said:
I think today you have to look at:

Haider Ali 12 off 17
Cutting 12 off 10
Malik 13 off 19

37 runs off 46 balls
Imad made 46* off 26 balls
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And As captain this is where imad should be making better calls

Considering the form hes in should he not be batting above the likes of haider and cutting rsther than coming in when the run rates touching the sky and hes got too much to make up?
 
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Zaz said:
And As captain this is where imad should be making better calls

Considering the form hes in should he not be batting above the likes of haider and cutting rsther than coming in when the run rates touching the sky and hes got too much to make up?
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What do you want him to do? Hold the bat for the likes of Malik, Haider and Cutting?
 
Rana said:
The trash players have the same mentality as the current pakistan players
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Haider Ali is even worse than Sharjeel.

The only reason why Sharjeel has been benched is because he's a liability on the field.
 
Imad Wasim's superb numbers so far at PSL8:

166 runs
Average 83.00
Strike-rate 172.91

5 wickets
Economy-rate of 7.05
 
topspin said:
Haider Ali is even worse than Sharjeel.

The only reason why Sharjeel has been benched is because he's a liability on the field.
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They may as well drop Haider and bring back Sharjeel.
 
Saj said:
They may as well drop Haider and bring back Sharjeel.
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If Sharjeel plays, he either opens or bats at 7

No way should he play in the middle. Imad is better off coming at 3 himself
 
I miscalculated Malik and Haiders contribution it was actually 25 of 36 that’s 6 overs for 25 runs 5 an over on a pitch where 10 an over was scored.

An award for the worst combined innings in history should be given.

:kakmal
 
Cric1234 said:
I miscalculated Malik and Haiders contribution it was actually 25 of 36 that’s 6 overs for 25 runs 5 an over on a pitch where 10 an over was scored.

An award for the worst combined innings in history should be given.

:kakmal
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It was actually almost 4 an over combined it looks like 210 was a par score on that wicket.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
He should be brought into the squad.

But I think a more pertinent question is - can he bat like this in international cricket?
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no need. he is not a batsman, he is a spinner. He cant even spin the ball. hes useless.
 
Major said:
no need. he is not a batsman, he is a spinner. He cant even spin the ball. hes useless.
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I wouldn't say he is useless.

Hes a handy player.

I think you are underrating him.

In the most recent T20 wc would our squad have been poorer if he was in it?

Certainly not in my eyes.
 
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Still a better captain and a more clutch T20 batsman than Babar
 
Imad in this PSL alone has played 3 innings Babar has never played in his entire career of 10k plus runs
 
Saj said:
What do you want him to do? Hold the bat for the likes of Malik, Haider and Cutting?
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Perhaps, but he could have forced a lower score by bowling his own overs and then bowling his younger bowlers with the new ball. Good captaincy is all about decisiveness through all phases of play. His teams don’t do that enough and therefore they lose more than they win. Also, let’s not forget that it’s Imad who asked for Haider and Malik in the trade.
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
Perhaps, but he could have forced a lower score by bowling his own overs and then bowling his younger bowlers with the new ball. Good captaincy is all about decisiveness through all phases of play. His teams don’t do that enough and therefore they lose more than they win. Also, let’s not forget that it’s Imad who asked for Haider and Malik in the trade.
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Imad definitely should have bowled one more in the powerplay to Rizwan who had no intention of getting out to him and becoming the talk of the town
 
Saj said:
What do you want him to do? Hold the bat for the likes of Malik, Haider and Cutting?
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Well dropping the likes of haider would be a start Why is he continuing to occupy a vital positiion Hes clearly not the batsman every one wants him to be
 
Rana said:
Imad in this PSL alone has played 3 innings Babar has never played in his entire career of 10k plus runs
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Thats rubbish and even more rubbish is the fact here you are celebrating personal milestones of a losing captain whos team bring up the rear of psl once again
 
Zaz said:
Thats rubbish and even more rubbish is the fact here you are celebrating personal milestones of a losing captain whos team bring up the rear of psl once again
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Oh it’s true

The bitter truth. Imad is destroying Babar with the bat in this PSL as it is
 
Rana said:
Oh it’s true

The bitter truth. Imad is destroying Babar with the bat in this PSL as it is
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Im more interested in whos team is doing better to be honest

Personal performances are nothing when the team is losing repeatedly

Imad needs to sort his team out and his captaincy because for all his talk against babar and his captaincy bravado his team have been shockingly poor this psl so far
 
Zaz said:
Well dropping the likes of haider would be a start Why is he continuing to occupy a vital positiion Hes clearly not the batsman every one wants him to be
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No I'm asking you what do you want him to do when Haider, Cutting etc are out there batting?
 
Imad unsurprisingly showed some frustration in the post match interview saying we should have won it and shown game awareness. I think was referring to Cutting hitting the ball straight down to long on’s throat when you need 6 from 4.
 
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