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[VIDEOS] Concerns about Shadab Khan's bowling

Been saying for ages that Zafar Gohar needs an extended run. Genuine spinner, gets good turn on the ball, has loads of domestic experience in Pakistan and England and has the numbers to back it up. Also a handy batsman
 
Shadab appears to have lost his bowling touch, consistently delivering short-pitched deliveries to Rohit Sharma who effortlessly dispatched them for sixes.

This is a concerning sign especially with the World Cup approaching where spinners are expected to play a pivotal role.
 
He will never learn, will never buckle down and take his progress seriously. In a few months he'll forget all about this while he's bowling half trackers in the Tibet Super League.
Zero desire or hunger to improve, this is the result. You can never stand still at the elite level.
 
He is more caught up in being a showman, jumping from one pyjama league to another and playing for the gallery rather than putting the hard yards in by playing first class cricket and putting his hands up for test contention. To sum it up he prefers itvtye easy way and will always be found out against better opposition specially in longer formats like ODI.
 
Huge issue for Pakistan now if Shadab being taken to the cleaners with ease.
 
Takes something special to be the best fielder in the team, yet you're still the biggest liability.
 
I'm happy to see people have finally accepted what I have been saying since 2019. Shadab is a scam.
You weren't the only one. This is one of the few areas we've been totally aligned from the start.

Shadab Khan's numbers since 2019 WC updated:

Batting avg - 29
Bowling avg - 40

If we just include the teams participating in the 2023 WC (so removing WI, Zim, Nepal bashing):

Batting avg - 24
Bowling avg - 56

It's disgraceful this is our Vice Captain and premier all rounder. When is enough ?
 
Wahab Riaz on this topic:

"Shadab has been inconsistent. Yes, there are talks about giving confidence to the players but you give confidence to those who are new to the team. Shadab has been around for a while now and needs to understand what's expected from a player of his calibre"
 
Can we also make a thread on concerns about Shadab’s batting.

Shadab is a waste of space in our team
 
He is more caught up in being a showman, jumping from one pyjama league to another and playing for the gallery rather than putting the hard yards in by playing first class cricket and putting his hands up for test contention. To sum it up he prefers itvtye easy way and will always be found out against better opposition specially in longer formats like ODI.
He has given up on FC cricket and that is important. Even now you have to spin the ball to get people out and his bowling like that of Imad, Nawaz is to bowl into the wicket and keep it tight. And Usama has the same problem and he would be at the same level as Shadab.
 
Feel free to make the thread.

The stats will be interesting.
He is utterly rubbish, his Father in law must and should step in and guide him.


He is bowling utter rubbish, the spin overs cost dearly. Missed a trick should have batted on this pitch and played Nawaz today.

Haris not bowling his 5 hurt badly too.
 
Wahab Riaz on this topic:

"Shadab has been inconsistent. Yes, there are talks about giving confidence to the players but you give confidence to those who are new to the team. Shadab has been around for a while now and needs to understand what's expected from a player of his calibre"
What calibre Wahab? Shadab has never been of any calibre at all to date.
 
Shadab needs to be benched, not dropped from the squad.

It’s time he realises that his place in the xi isn’t guaranteed.
 
Shadab needs to be benched, not dropped from the squad.

It’s time he realises that his place in the xi isn’t guaranteed.
His place is guaranteed until his best friend Babar is captain.

These friendships and grouping politics in the team have destroyed Pakistan cricket since Day 1
 
He is basically Anwar Ali 2.0.

Anwar Ali was a specialist fielder and so is Shadab. Extremely average cricketer who has been given the status of a superstar because he dives around like a goalkeeper during fielding.

Get rid.
 
This is the reason it becomes pointless to play your best XI every game for every bilateral. You come into situations like these where your first choice spinner is in terrible form and you have no backups, forcing you to persist with him and risk worsening his form or selecting a newbie and throwing him to the wolves for a debut on the big stage. Every other nation does this right but our team is still stuck in the 90s. Stupid management
 
Soft cricketer. Already he will be thinking about the next T5 leauge to bowl his lollypops. He cant even bowl in ODIs.
 
I won’t be exaggerating if I say that Shahid Afridi can give Shadab stiff competition even today.

Shadab’s numbers are absolutely shocking against the formidable opposition. A terrible cricketer.
 
It’s beyond ridiculous that Usama, a proper leggie, is sitting on the bench because Shadab is too entrenched with the leadership group and therefore cannot be dropped
 
You weren't the only one. This is one of the few areas we've been totally aligned from the start.

Shadab Khan's numbers since 2019 WC updated:

Batting avg - 29
Bowling avg - 40

If we just include the teams participating in the 2023 WC (so removing WI, Zim, Nepal bashing):

Batting avg - 24
Bowling avg - 56

It's disgraceful this is our Vice Captain and premier all rounder. When is enough ?

He’s a must while playing West Indies, Nepal, Afghanistan.
 
A good analysis on commentary by Sanjay Bangar when watching Shadab bowling today.

He was talking about his wrist position and the fingers position when he's trying to bowl the leg-spinner and highlighted some flaws which means he doesn't get the rotation on the ball he should be getting.
 
A good analysis on commentary by Sanjay Bangar when watching Shadab bowling today.

He was talking about his wrist position and the fingers position when he's trying to bowl the leg-spinner and highlighted some flaws which means he doesn't get the rotation on the ball he should be getting.

Where is the Pakistan coaching staff? How come they are not picking this flaw?
 
Shadab did try to spin the ball but can't keep control when he does hence the terrible roll outs from under the hand
 
Where is the Pakistan coaching staff? How come they are not picking this flaw?
Morne Morkel is the bowling coach.

I doubt he knows much about leg-spin.

Shadab needs to get playing first-class cricket - Wasim Akram and others said it on commentary too.
 
Babar Azam when asked in his post game presser:

Did Shadab Khan underperform in this tournament ?

"Yes, Shadab Khan was bowling very well but just not taking wickets which is why you may feel that he was not bowling well; He is our best bowler, as is Mohammad Nawaz"
 
Shadab khan plays in the team as a frontline spinner. If he fails in his primary role, what's the point of him being in the team. On the other hand, Iftikhar who does not bowl regularly was bowling like saqlain mushtaq on these lankan pitches. When a part-timer is overshadowing you the writing is on the wall...
 
Shadab Khan needs to step up his bowling, if Pakistan need to go deep in the upcoming world cup. There is no way a team will be winning too many matches if their spinners don't perform well in India. If he struggles with his bowling during the middle overs then it would be trouble for team Pakistan.
 
I have lost patience with him. How are the PCB allowing this guy to play again and again.

I actually feel sorry for him. He cannot land a single ball. His confidence is so shot that he is bowling full toss and half trackers 6 balls an over.
 
Not good bowling from Shadab today.
We need to consider Usama Mir for the next game.
 
Rubbish bowler.

Can't even blame the pitch when he's bowling 3 half-trackers and/or full tosses per over. Not even acceptable for a part-timer.
 
I know Pakistani bowlers like to take the pitch out of the equation..but this is normally for express bowlers quicker through the air irrespective of the ground conditions.

Shadab with his full tosses has taken this principle to a new level. At this stage I’d be happy to see him land it on the strip.
 
So if he helps Pakistan win this match v SL by his batting, would that be fine for Pakistan fans?
 
If a bowler can’t consistently bowl at the right line and length despite years of playing international cricket..
 
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All he do is post lots of post on social media. This full toss short ball bowler is absolutely the worst spinner playing at the world cup I think even netherland spinners bowled better than him
 
needs to stop playing year round and take some off-season time to work on his bowling. As the primary leg spinner and the team's vice-captain - this has been awful.
 
All he do is post lots of post on social media. This full toss short ball bowler is absolutely the worst spinner playing at the world cup I think even netherland spinners bowled better than him
He is definitely not in the best of forms with his bowling and it is a big worry for team Pakistan. Today, he against went for 55 runs in 8 overs and only picked up a wicket. In order to win matches consistently, your main spinner must perform better than this.
 
Good win today but the 1st innings made the case for his exclusion stronger. Again the same long hops and full tosses.
He probably won't be excluded due to the VC role and for being a good fielder, but I hope he can prove me wrong by bouncing back.
 
Pakistan succeeded by dropping Fakhar.

It’s time to do the same to Shadab.

Usama, I hope you’re up for the biggest challenge of your life on Saturday. The stage is yours.
 
I’d play him as a substitute fielder, he’s the only one that can change the game with the fielding.
 
Shadab and Nawaz are having their own tournament of who can bowl more long hops. Shadab is winning at the moment, but Nawaz is giving him a run for his money.
 
Pakistan should consider replacing him with Usama Mir otherwise get ready to concede an extra 70 runs against India through full tosses and half crackers.
 
Shadab could not bowl 3 or 4 deliveries on the same length in an over. He is either too short or too full, no real venom in his bowling. He needs to come good against India because the Indian batters play spin very well.
 
When will we finally have a captain that selects players sitting on the bench on merit rather than friendships and groupings.
 
Usama really needs to be looked at. Atleast he gets more bounce and is a proper leg spinner.
 
Usama Mir and Mohammad Wasim would be very interesting changes for Saturday.

Nawaz and Shadab have done nothing to inspire us, so we need to make an inspiring change.
 
Deep down he knows his position is safe. He knows no questions will be asked of him. That's why he has been sat in his confort zone for way too long.
 
He is by far the worst player in the team. He offers nothing even iftikhar Ahmed is better bowler than this shadab.
He should have been dropped a long time ago.
It's just so disappointing to see him play match after match.
 
Playing him at this stage is only doing him harm.
Usama should play the next game. 4 pacers would be a better strategy considering Nawaz has been unable to contain runs either. It will lengthen the tail and M Wasim isn't a better option either. But that's what could be tried. Iftikhar and Saud's spin should be utilized more.
 
Bowled better on debut than he does 7 years later, astonishing
A thing we see with many Pakistan bowlers. Start of well, get hyped up by us supporters and the media. Then the data analysts of other teams work them out and they have nothing to counter that as they have not developed their game enough.

The same could be said of Hasan Ali & Shaheen.
 
A thing we see with many Pakistan bowlers. Start of well, get hyped up by us supporters and the media. Then the data analysts of other teams work them out and they have nothing to counter that as they have not developed their game enough.

The same could be said of Hasan Ali & Shaheen.
With Shadab it’s not even just being worked out, his accuracy has nosedived over the last few years. Abbas for example got worked out when teams started standing outside the crease, however his bowling remained largely the same with a slight drop in pace
 
When players first priority is making money, and there is plenty of it in various franchise leagues around the world, then they will invariably chose to play the leagues and pocket the dosh.

This will happen to plenty of young talent until and unless the PCB stops them and forces them to play more first class cricket.
 
I think Shadab Khan should be reserved for T20 cricket only.

If he continues to play ODI cricket his performance might even get worse compared to his T20 cricket form. He has never been a suitable ODI bowler don't how he got selected for the World Cup 2023.
 
He's basically a t20 spinner who relies on bats mistakes. In odis they can sit on him and wait for his gifts.

Usama Mir must be given a run in the side.
 
I've seen a lot of spin bowlers on the international scene, and perhaps there hasn't really been a leg-spinner like Shadab Khan on the international scene.

A leg-spinner with a load up of an off-spinner, one whose stock leg-break does not get much spin on surfaces outside Asia or even much in Asia, and a player who prioritized more so his batting to become a more favorable asset to the team rather than settling down as a genuine wicket taking bowler to compliment a fast-bowling attack that was working its haunches off (before anyone talks about the recent form of the pacers, one has to remember that our pacers would not be under such immense pressure if the spin department could hold itself and step up from time to time).

I think that managements that we have had did not communicate the needs of the team to Shadab Khan. It kind of led to a player who was constantly in the ropes of national selection without really having to improve or change his bowling style. In T20s, he is an incredibly favorable spinner, because his wicket-taking largely occurs from players taking risks and getting out.

However, what I would certainly be interested in seeing is how often Shadab Khan strikes a bowled or LBW dismissal. The reason being that as a spinner, his deliveries rarely end up on the stumps. For a spinner who does not extract too much spin (this being mostly due to the fact that his rather linear load up forces him to strain his side and lose his head position to impart more revolutions), this then means that on Asian conditions, it's quite safe to play risky strokes because LBW and bowled are out of the equation.

There is little element of risk involved, and all the more potential for batsmen to profit off a mistake of his rather than look to take a chance off a good delivery. So from a technical standpoint, his first failure is not being able to keep the ball in the stumps.

Secondly, his bowling mindset is too one-dimensional. A bowler should be making his own field placements to try and take wickets and build pressure. Shadab Khan follows the T20 bowling mindset - he is letting singles and doubles occur due to fear of conceding a boundary. In ODIs, a spinner has 60 deliveries to conjure wickets. A bowler needs to have the patience to set up batsmen in their spell, exploit any spin available on the surface, and use natural variation along with their own variations to cast doubt in the mind of a batsman.

Take for example Kuldeep Yadav or Adil Rashid. Both are bowlers who toss the ball up in the line of the stumps, making use of angles, drift, and natural variation wherever applicable. They bowl slower than Shadab Khan, but more so, they don't rush their overs. They build dot balls and keep pressure on the batsmen. They try and set up batsmen intelligently, forcing them to take unnecessary risks whilst also having the skill to deceive batsmen in front of the stumps.

For Shadab Khan to make himself into an ODI bowler, he needs a better bowling plan, he needs to strategize and create opportunities by depriving batsmen of runs. He needs to get players on the front foot and bowl according to the field.

Usama Mir isn't really a great improvement over Shadab, though he gets more spin from the pitch, he also lacks control. But perhaps he is the best option for Pakistan at the present moment.

If Pakistan had Abrar Ahmed in the setup, I would have tossed my hat in that corner. At least a test match spinner has that pinpoint accuracy and mindset to set up a batsman. We need a patient spinner who bowls wicket to wicket. He has the mystery too, would have been a good shout.
 
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