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Ok even if i dont go into the details (few already given above by other posters) why i think he has captaincy potential, I will anwser it like this:
Pakistan don't have a vice-captain. Sarfraz is wicket keeper plus batsman and now captain in all formats. Soon the load will be too much on Sarfraz and he should retire from t20s after next world cup. Till then we have to groom a captain who can take over from Sarfraz. Dont see captaincy potential in the likes of Amir, Babar etc and also they play in all formats so it will be too much for them. Want them to focus on becoming world class in their fields. Peechay rh gya kon? Think Fakhar or Shadab can be captaincy candidates after Sarfraz retires.

The only thing which might count against him is his age, but he definitely has captaincy potential (for all the reasons provided by you and other posters).

Regarding his eye for talent, it's worth remembering it was Fakhar who picked Sahibzada Farhan to play in the One Day cup despite Farhan having only played two list A matches at that point.
 
He is what 4 ODI's old and people are already talking about grooming him for captaincy.

He was only 3 ODIs old when he slapped that brilliant century against you guys dishing out an epic phainti and humiliation the kind of which was unprecedented in the history of finals :))


Big match performance:

Fakhar >>>>>> Kohli
 
He was only 3 ODIs old when he slapped that brilliant century against you guys dishing out an epic phainti and humiliation the kind of which was unprecedented in the history of finals :))


Big match performance:

Fakhar >>>>>> Kohli

Let us not get ahead of ourselves. Kohli is an ODI ATG who can not be matched by any current batsman.
 
Let us not get ahead of ourselves. Kohli is an ODI ATG who can not be matched by any current batsman.

Yeah he sure showed that in the CT final.



I clearly said "Big match performance"
 
Well Kohli has also performed very well on the big stage. Look at the Asia cup for example :)

Lmao Afridi has two back to back centuries in Asia Cup and perennial underachievers Bangladesh regularly make the final of that tournament. Well done to Kohli for performing in such a high end tournament :))
 
Lmao Afridi has two back to back centuries in Asia Cup and perennial underachievers Bangladesh regularly make the final of that tournament. Well done to Kohli for performing in such a high end tournament :))

Cricket is cricket. And runs are runs.

Bangladesh are a quality cricketing side
 
Lmao Afridi has two back to back centuries in Asia Cup and perennial underachievers Bangladesh regularly make the final of that tournament. Well done to Kohli for performing in such a high end tournament :))

Kohli is a big match player and you will see many legendary performances in upcoming tournaments InShaAllah :) Enjoy the humble pie MrSyed1
 
Kohli is a big match player and you will see many legendary performances in upcoming tournaments InShaAllah :) Enjoy the humble pie MrSyed1

I will gladly enjoy when he serves it. For now I'm enjoying the humbling he got in the CT final :)
 
I will gladly enjoy when he serves it. For now I'm enjoying the humbling he got in the CT final :)

You know that we fluked the CT. The more and more we play India we will receive more of a phaintee. India is just on a whole different level to us..
 
Plus he's a military guy as well, that would also help his character in general as a captain because you need to be strong mentally and consume all the pressure. Candidate for the future but we got to back Sarfraz all the way for now and let Fakhar focus on his batting because his goal should be to cement his place for good moving forward because anything can happen in Pakistan cricket but am sure he has earned a long rope for now, stay humble ! and work hard ! hard work! DEDICATION ! [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] we need a Floyd Smiley :lara

haha, tbf Lara was also was hard working decidated sportsman. But fully agree, Fakhar has worked really hard since leaving the navy and will continue to do so. Pakistan just need to stick with him while he develops further.
 
Fakhar has earned a long rope and will be a very important member of our team in our preparations for the 2019 world cup in the grand scheme so he should be backed all the way
 
Decent knock to begin the tour, more fans need to get behind the lad; we're so quick to crucify even though he has earned a long rope. Now Hafeez is someone we need to throw eggs at and I honestly believe he needs to be arrested for the crimes committed against Pakistan and also the goons who worship a genuine passenger.
 
Pretty decent series for Fakhar in the end [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] hopefully it was a great learning experience. He ends the ODI series with an average of 50 at an S/R of 80+, also in the top 5 leading run scorers. Not bad for a debut tour there and I'd take that any day of the week from the POV of a Pakistani opener in those conditions against a challenging bowling attack.
 
Backed him ever since I saw him in the PSL.

He’s always been written off by the majority but time and time again he delivers a big slap in the face to all the PP experts who thought he wouldn’t be suitable for international cricket.
 
Backed him ever since I saw him in the PSL.

He’s always been written off by the majority but time and time again he delivers a big slap in the face to all the PP experts who thought he wouldn’t be suitable for international cricket.

True, me to, we're among the few who have supported him from day one. He always has his haters for some weird reason, have found it bizarre even after his CT heroics. The fact is he has earned a long rope so people need to back off and give him some space to breath because he is still a work in progress but despite that has played knocks beyond his years and experience levels.
 
Fakhar is a throwback, he's a very tough bloke mentally and that will hold him in good stead going into the future because it will be more important over his alleged technical deficiencies. Am sure the management and Arther value his potential which is what matters in the end.
 
The thing that I love about Fakhar is how mentally tough he is, never gets bogged down like the rest. So refreshing to see a Pakistan batsman play with absolutely no fear.
 
Supported this guy from his early days. Even when everybody was calling him a hack. Admittedly the pakistan management did try to make him a hack by making him bat at 6 and 7 and asking him to slog blindly early on in his career but it needed real eye for talent to see hos potential which only a select few had.
 
Pretty decent series for Fakhar in the end [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] hopefully it was a great learning experience. He ends the ODI series with an average of 50 at an S/R of 80+, also in the top 5 leading run scorers. Not bad for a debut tour there and I'd take that any day of the week from the POV of a Pakistani opener in those conditions against a challenging bowling attack.

Fakhar has improved a lot since he first made the team. The way he played in the first odi with a lot of composure and very good shot selection, shows the coaching has done him good. I would like him to duck a few more short balls as he seems to have a go every time but shouldnt lose his attacking instinct.

If wickets werent falling at the other end, it would have been interesting to see how he would have done but yes overall a good series for him. Let's hope he finds a good opening partner to complement his style.
 
Mentally tough cricketer. Not the prettiest to watch but he gets the job done. We need more batsmen with his attacking mentality.
 
Can't wait for Fakhar and Sharjeel opening together... I hope corrupt Sethi is put behind bars for his corruption soon and justice is done with Sharjeel.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fakhar Zaman in the tri-series:<br>61 off 40 balls<br>6 off 11<br>47 off 38<br>73 off 42<br>91 off 45 balls<br>Total of 278 runs at a strike rate of 157.95<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1015915119203749889?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most runs in a T20I series for Pakistan:<br>278 - Fakhar Zaman in the tri-series versus Zimbabwe & Australia in 2018<br>223 - Salman Butt in the 2010 World T20 in West Indies<br>218 - Misbah-ul-Haq in the 2007/2008 World T20 in South Africa<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1015916127938064389?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Highest scores in a T20I tournament final:<br>91 Fakhar Zaman - today versus Australia<br>85* Marlon Samuels - versus England in 2016<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1015916993923436544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Fakhar Zaman, big match player:<br>Century in the Champions Trophy Final versus India<br>91 in today's tri-series final against Australia<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1015917582443008005?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 8, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I've always supported this guy from day one unlike [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] who is never smart enough to see that guts , mental fortitude and heart trump talent / technique any day of the week but he didn't listen to me :mv
 
I use to stay up until 2am or 4am to see the rattle manj aka Sharjeel Khan bat and when he got out would go to sleep, but the man above works in strange ways; he took away the fatty and gave us a chisled out 6 pack in the form of Fakhar Zaman and my word it was a pleasure to see Australia get Fakhar'd in a tournament final, he may not be aesthetically pleasing for some but I enjoy watching Fakhar bat and his ressilience / mental strength remains his biggest weapon. Hope and expect him to continue to grow and get better given his attitude and work ethic.
 
I've always supported this guy from day one unlike [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] who is never smart enough to see that guts , mental fortitude and heart trump talent / technique any day of the week but he didn't listen to me :mv



He still has a lot of weaknessses in his technique which is why he hasn't been given a chance in test cricket. In LOI he has done brilliantly and well done to him.

Stop the tears man.
 
He still has a lot of weaknessses in his technique which is why he hasn't been given a chance in test cricket. In LOI he has done brilliantly and well done to him.

Stop the tears man.

:)) And you're still very one dimensional, thought you'd have accepted by now that mental fortitude trumps technical flaws, we know of talent which have been a lot more technically sound but they flop big time. Even after this bloke scored a hundred vs India in a final there is still no patience and more criticism when there should be support for his admirable qualities which are greater then any flaw. And this is all in regard to LOI's not Tests, that is being bought up now since he has performed well in limited overs.
 
Had an awful Asia cup but he will bounce back from this. Too good a player not to.
 
Looks like he'll get a debut in the next game if Imam is injured! Although they may open with Azhar Ali and give someone like Salahuddin a chance, especially as Zaman had an awful Asia Cup.
 
Fantastic performance in the Test series, many have said his style of play is suited to wickets with pace and bounce but he had a decent debut series. What I feel is people have ultra high expectations and expect the kid to performance from the word go despite his lack of experience, even Kohli didn't exactly set the world on fire when he first burst on to the scene. It takes time, experience and hard work; premature conclusions at this stage should be supported but from what I have seen although there are some flaws Fakhar is a fighting champion.
 
Great knock from Fakhar today, there's a feeling that for us to stand a chance when it comes to putting on big totals or chasing them it is safe to say a big chunk of our fortunes are with him. He has had a decent run but the criticisms have been unfair in my view.
 
And Almost everyone here used to call him a hack and ugly slogger and what not. If hes a hack, I want more such hacks in Pakistani team and not favourites/softies who can only hit few good looking 4s but chickens out when a team needs them in pressure situation.

Fakhar is a champ but is very unfortunate to be surrounded by good for naught softies
 
If Fakhar is a “hack“, then pls give me 6 proper “hacks”.

Guy is so mentally tough :fz

Indeed he is a soldier, way to go Fauji!
 
He has issues but we need him. He can get us off to a fast start and can take spinners apart when set.
 
Where is [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ? Would rather have Imam and drop Fakhar?
 
Where is [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ? Would rather have Imam and drop Fakhar?

Neither. Imam makes the team on merit and so does Fakhar. My issue is with people singling out Imam but giving Fakhar a free ride even though he has not set the world on fire. He flopped in the Asia Cup and in South Africa while Imam was top scorer in both series.

I don't want to take any credit from Fakhar, but England did not test his weak zones today. Almost 85% of his runs came on the leg side - if you keep bowling the wrong lengths on his pads, he is going to hack you for runs all day long. It eventually took a wide delivery outside the off-stump to get him out. The fourth stump channel and well-directed bouncers are his major weak zones.

Both Imam and Fakhar have their respective strengths and weaknesses. Imam has better composure, occupies the crease and doesn't throw in the towel easily. However, he is not very aggressive. Fakhar can score quickly against any opposition, but his technique is very streaky and he often looks helpless when you target his weaknesses.

If you could combine the two into one player, you will get a world class opener. However, in their individual capacity, neither of them are anything special. However, we are a rubbish 6th ranked team so beggars cannot be choosers.

I don't have an agenda against Fakhar - my point is that we should not single out Imam for criticism when Fakhar has not outperformed him. If Imam fails in the World Cup while Fakhar excels, by all means drop Imam, but if Imam outperforms Fakhar once again, at least we should be honest and praise Imam instead of protecting Fakhar from criticism.
 
Feels good that he actually done good for once, will watch highlights tomorrow
 
Neither. Imam makes the team on merit and so does Fakhar. My issue is with people singling out Imam but giving Fakhar a free ride even though he has not set the world on fire. He flopped in the Asia Cup and in South Africa while Imam was top scorer in both series.

I don't want to take any credit from Fakhar, but England did not test his weak zones today. Almost 85% of his runs came on the leg side - if you keep bowling the wrong lengths on his pads, he is going to hack you for runs all day long. It eventually took a wide delivery outside the off-stump to get him out. The fourth stump channel and well-directed bouncers are his major weak zones.

Both Imam and Fakhar have their respective strengths and weaknesses. Imam has better composure, occupies the crease and doesn't throw in the towel easily. However, he is not very aggressive. Fakhar can score quickly against any opposition, but his technique is very streaky and he often looks helpless when you target his weaknesses.

If you could combine the two into one player, you will get a world class opener. However, in their individual capacity, neither of them are anything special. However, we are a rubbish 6th ranked team so beggars cannot be choosers.

I don't have an agenda against Fakhar - my point is that we should not single out Imam for criticism when Fakhar has not outperformed him. If Imam fails in the World Cup while Fakhar excels, by all means drop Imam, but if Imam outperforms Fakhar once again, at least we should be honest and praise Imam instead of protecting Fakhar from criticism.

I think you didn't watch a match.. otherwise you would have known that Fakhar got out because at the other end Babar wasn't getting a move on , was playing for himself as always , so Fakhar was going after every delivery and in order to keep up the run rate he lost his wicket not because he's weak in that area.

Blind hate made you compare Fakhar with Imam, even you know inside there is no comparison between the two Fakhar is a far better opener than the nephew ....nephew can't play a match changing innings of 138 on 106 against a decent side while chasing even if he plays 5000 ODis...even ur Babar can't.. That comparison is laughable.. That's like comparing Saeed Anwar with Wajahat ullah Wasti.lol...(not saying Fakhar is as good as SA or anything)
 
I think you didn't watch a match.. otherwise you would have known that Fakhar got out because at the other end Babar wasn't getting a move on , was playing for himself as always , so Fakhar was going after every delivery and in order to keep up the run rate he lost his wicket not because he's weak in that area.

Blind hate made you compare Fakhar with Imam, even you know inside there is no comparison between the two Fakhar is a far better opener than the nephew ....nephew can't play a match changing innings of 138 on 106 against a decent side while chasing even if he plays 5000 ODis...even ur Babar can't.. That comparison is laughable.. That's like comparing Saeed Anwar with Wajahat ullah Wasti.lol...(not saying Fakhar is as good as SA or anything)

I won't call it hate or agenda, I would call it preference. I make no bones about the fact that Fakhar is not my cup of tea. I believe he is a streaky player who needs a lot of things to go in his favor in order to score runs against good opposition. Every time he faces a ball, he looks like getting out.

His technique is poor and he has visible weak zones (mainly deliveries angling across his body and well-directed bouncers).

Both India (after the Champions Trophy) and South Africa worked him out and he could only cross 50 once in 7 games against them. On 6 of those occasions, he was bounced out. He is almost 30, and especially for a player like him, this is the prime of his career. His technique is abysmal and once he inevitably loses his hand-eye coordination with age, he will have a steep decline.

However, I have absolutely no issues with people rating him. After all, he is our only genuinely aggressive batsman who can strike at 120-130 on his day, as he showed yesterday.

My only problem is with the witch-hunt against Imam and people's refusal to acknowledge that although he was not selected on merit, he has justified his selection through his performances.

Inzamam did not help him score a hundred on ODI debut, Inzamam did not help him score an unbeaten 74 on his Test debut to prevent Pakistan from a shameful defeat against Ireland, Inzamam did not help him top score for Pakistan in the Asia Cup and in the South African ODI series when Fakhar was flopping badly, and neither did Inzamam help him average three times higher than Fakhar in the South African Test series.

All of these performances deserve at least a quarter of the appreciation Fakhar gets, even though his good performances in the last two years can be counted on one hand.

Furthermore, I don't share your weird fascination of labelling every batsman who bats at a SR of 85-90 and spends time at the crease as selfish. Babar needs to improve his power hitting and Imam need to improve his strike rotation as well as power hitting, but that doesn't make them selfish. You don't have be a cowlasher and swing blindly at everything to be considered as a team player.

When Fakhar was hacking like Awais Zia to low scores in the Asia Cup and in South Africa, was he not being selfish? Had he not taken the bait of the bowlers over and over again and put a price on his wicket, he would weathered the storm and ended up scoring runs, but that would have been selfish in your eyes.

If Imam can work on his SR, which is possible considering the learning curve at his age and his propensity for working hard, he can be a better player than Fakhar who is not going to change at the age of 30.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you are wrong about Fakhar's weak zone. Fakhar is an off side player and he rarely plays towards the leg side, which was my main issue with him. Indians honed on his weakness of leg side by narrowing the bowling channel and bowling him between the pads and bat. England did the same thing today but Fakhar has improved on his weakness.

You simply saw that 80% of his shots were on the leg side and decided to make an argument around it but you actually forgot that it was never Fakhar's strong suit to begin with LOL

Like i said, just like Game of Throne writers you have lost the plot in terms of reasoning. It is getting absurd and absurd and this is coming from a friend, you know that.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you are wrong about Fakhar's weak zone. Fakhar is an off side player and he rarely plays towards the leg side, which was my main issue with him. Indians honed on his weakness of leg side by narrowing the bowling channel and bowling him between the pads and bat. England did the same thing today but Fakhar has improved on his weakness.

You simply saw that 80% of his shots were on the leg side and decided to make an argument around it but you actually forgot that it was never Fakhar's strong suit to begin with LOL

Like i said, just like Game of Throne writers you have lost the plot in terms of reasoning. It is getting absurd and absurd and this is coming from a friend, you know that.

Fakhar's strong area is the leg side. He struggles on the off-side unless he gets a lot of width, but hardly any player at this level misses out when there is width on offer. However, the margin of error on the leg-side is quite low, but if you bowl to him on the fourth or fifth stump, he is prone to hacking at the ball without any foot movement.

That is how he got out in the first ODI, in the Champions Trophy Final (the no ball), against South Africa in the Champions Trophy as well as on a few other occasions. That along with the short ball are the most common modes of dismissals with him.
 
I won't call it hate or agenda, I would call it preference. I make no bones about the fact that Fakhar is not my cup of tea. I believe he is a streaky player who needs a lot of things to go in his favor in order to score runs against good opposition. Every time he faces a ball, he looks like getting out.

His technique is poor and he has visible weak zones (mainly deliveries angling across his body and well-directed bouncers).

Both India (after the Champions Trophy) and South Africa worked him out and he could only cross 50 once in 7 games against them. On 6 of those occasions, he was bounced out. He is almost 30, and especially for a player like him, this is the prime of his career. His technique is abysmal and once he inevitably loses his hand-eye coordination with age, he will have a steep decline.

However, I have absolutely no issues with people rating him. After all, he is our only genuinely aggressive batsman who can strike at 120-130 on his day, as he showed yesterday.

My only problem is with the witch-hunt against Imam and people's refusal to acknowledge that although he was not selected on merit, he has justified his selection through his performances.

Inzamam did not help him score a hundred on ODI debut, Inzamam did not help him score an unbeaten 74 on his Test debut to prevent Pakistan from a shameful defeat against Ireland, Inzamam did not help him top score for Pakistan in the Asia Cup and in the South African ODI series when Fakhar was flopping badly, and neither did Inzamam help him average three times higher than Fakhar in the South African Test series.

All of these performances deserve at least a quarter of the appreciation Fakhar gets, even though his good performances in the last two years can be counted on one hand.

Furthermore, I don't share your weird fascination of labelling every batsman who bats at a SR of 85-90 and spends time at the crease as selfish. Babar needs to improve his power hitting and Imam need to improve his strike rotation as well as power hitting, but that doesn't make them selfish. You don't have be a cowlasher and swing blindly at everything to be considered as a team player.

When Fakhar was hacking like Awais Zia to low scores in the Asia Cup and in South Africa, was he not being selfish? Had he not taken the bait of the bowlers over and over again and put a price on his wicket, he would weathered the storm and ended up scoring runs, but that would have been selfish in your eyes.

If Imam can work on his SR, which is possible considering the learning curve at his age and his propensity for working hard, he can be a better player than Fakhar who is not going to change at the age of 30.


People slate Imam because his SR is just not good enough, and no he doesn't bat with a SR of 85-90 his career strike rate is 72 if you exclude Zim series. is it good enough ? he doesn't need improvement what he needs are massive changes in his batting ,his attitude he needs to transform big time and all that should happen in a domestic set up not while he's in Pakistan team .Tell me an another opener in the world right now who has strike rate of 72 against top 9 teams since the start of 2016? Openers nowadays have strike rates of more than 95 ,even strike rate of 85 isn't good enough nowadays for openers and we have imam with a strike rate of 72 and you are defending him. are you saying we don't have any opener who can do better job than that? seriously?

Pakistan have far better openers than Imam yet he's playing ahead of them that's why people show anger and you defending him is very strange and unbelievable.

Fakhar often gets out early because of Imam and babar ,why do you ignore that? Imam's number in first 5-10 overs are often like 10 of 22 balls, 20 of 38 balls against decent sides. what do you expect fakhar to do from the other end? Should he also start playing like nephew ? He plays for the team that why He starts to go after every other delivery or plays an absurd shot in order to keep up the RR which makes him lose his wicket. who would you blame for that? Give Fakhar better partner, give him Sharjeel,Shahzaib Hassan or even Abid he will perform even better and more consistently just like he was doing when he had Azhar with him who was selfless unlike imam and didn't use to put him under pressure.


As for technique ,to hell with it, If he is scoring runs and has game changing potential. who cares really? look at his numbers ; avg,strike rate,six hitting ratio which is far better than any player in Pakistan's history . we need him unlike technically sound players who chicken out when Pakistan need them to perform. What good is babar Azam and his technique if he can't win Pakistan a single game against decent side in tough run chase or help Pakistan score big while batting first against decent bowling ups? Fakhar has given us more in his 2 years in big matches than babar and imam combined from their respective debuts.

And don't compare Fakhar with Awais Zia, Fakhar's domestic numbers in all 3 formats always been outstanding while Awais' record show he's just another mediocre slogger. Fakhar's FC avg is 42 ,higher than your babar,imam,Shan,Azhar etc and you know how tough our FC is for batters. Fakhar is a proper bat ,a game changer, despite his issues he is the one we need in every format .Infact we need more players like him who can play with heart and make full use of their potential .

If imam was not selfish then his strike rate would not be 72 as i said earlier, there is no opener in the world who has such strike rate in modern day cricket . He is either selfish or not good enough to be even in the C team of Pakistan if that's the best he can offer. Why are you hurting then if fans rightly criticize him and call him selfish/useless?
 
Fakhar Zaman not only played selfless innings but carried 2 deadwood players like selfish Azam and selector's nephew Imam.

He made a century with 130-140 SR and when he got out his Strike Rate was 130.

He is a real valuable player who needs support from the other side. Abid Ali or Azam need to be promoted in the first powerplay to assist him. Zaman can get more consistent and help Pakistan get towards any target.
 
Fakhar's strong area is the leg side. He struggles on the off-side unless he gets a lot of width, but hardly any player at this level misses out when there is width on offer. However, the margin of error on the leg-side is quite low, but if you bowl to him on the fourth or fifth stump, he is prone to hacking at the ball without any foot movement.

I'm sorry but that is not true at all.

If you go back to late last year he was struggling to time his balls on the leg side and couldn't even play proper shots. Once bowlers stopped feeding him balls on the off side and were targeting his legs he was found out.

He's definitely worked on his leg side game.
 
[MENTION=148737]Khwaja78[/MENTION]

I am not comparing Fakhar to Awais Zia; my point is that he looked very awful in the Asia Cup and in South Africa and his weaknesses were exposed.

Also, the excuse that he threw his wicket away because he was forced to take risks because of Imam is not factual. Let’s look at each of his failures game by game.

First match vs India in the Asia Cup:

Imam got out first while charging down the track. He was on 2 in 6 balls, while Fakhar on the other hand was on 0 in 9.

One can also claim that Fakhar’s inability to get off the mark forced Imam to go for an expansive short. So should we blame Fakhar for forcing Imam to get out?

vs Afghanistan in the Asia Cup:

Fakhar was dismissed before Imam faced a ball.

Second match vs India in the Asia Cup:

When imam was dismissed for 10 in 20 balls, Fakhar was on 9 in 28 balls. Again, using your logic, we can say that Fakhar’s selfish batting forced Imam to take risks and get out.

vs Bangladesh in the Asia Cup:

Fakhar was dismissed on 1 in 4 balls when imam was on 1 in 1.

So far, the notion that Fakhar has thrown his wicket away because of Imam appears to be baseless. The bottom line is that Fakhar flopped badly while Imam was our top scorer.

Let’s look at what happened in the South African ODI series:

1st ODI:

Imam was on 20 in 27 when Fakhar got bounced out. Yes he was batting slowly, but that is not an excuse for throwing your wicket away when you are chasing 267.

Pakistan were perfectly played at 45/0 in 8 overs, and there was no reason for Fakhar to play a reckless shot. Had Imam done the same instead of playing a match-winning 86, Pakistan would have probably lost.

2nd ODI:

Fakhar batted at a SR of 59. Can’t blame others when you are yourself doing tuk tuk and playing selfishly.

3rd ODI:

Imam scored a hundred at a SR of 85 while Fakhar scored 2 in 10 balls. Again, Fakhar was the so-called selfish player here.

4th ODI:

Fakhar scored 44 in 44 and Imam 71 in 91. Fakhar was more aggressive, but Imam did see us home.

5th ODI:

Fakhar scored 70 while Imam scored 8 in 10.

In all the innings that Fakhar failed, he had no one to blame but himself. The notion that he was forced to take risks because of Imam’s tuk tuk on the other end is baseless.

I am not hurt at people criticizing Imam. My point is that if you are going to criticize him, you should also appreciate the fact that he has almost always delivered when Fakhar has failed.

Does he need to improve his SR? Absolutely, but he is only 23 at this point, and he has shown the ability to improve.

For example, he matched Fakhar’s performance in the PSL and batted at the same SR even though T20s is not his format. This clearly shows that Imam has the ability to play quickly.

If his SR doesn’t improve over the next year or so, perhaps we can contemplate dropping him.

However, we need to remember that we are a mediocre, 6th ranked team and we cannot drop players who average 50+ and recently produced a Man of the Series performance in South Africa as well as top scoring in the Asia Cup.

Contrary to what we like to believe, there is not an abundance of talent in Pakistan itching for opportunities and the PSL continues to prove that there are no modern aggressive openers who deserve to play ahead of Imam.

Kamran and Imam were our two leading scorers in PSL which says it all.
 
I'm sorry but that is not true at all.

If you go back to late last year he was struggling to time his balls on the leg side and couldn't even play proper shots. Once bowlers stopped feeding him balls on the off side and were targeting his legs he was found out.

He's definitely worked on his leg side game.

He was struggling to hit deliveries that were angled into his body. India and South Africa cramped him for room. He has always been able to punish loose deliveries on the leg side.
 
He was struggling to hit deliveries that were angled into his body. India and South Africa cramped him for room. He has always been able to punish loose deliveries on the leg side.

That wasn't true last autumn.

Despite his weaknesses he'll still maintained a decent record against the top teams.

Rohit Sharma with all his talent still struggles against the moving ball.

Every single batsman has weaknesses and despite Fakhar being a "rich mans Awais Zia' he's definitely good enough for this pathetic Pakistani side.

Shafiq, Amin, Umar Akmal with all of their talunt still couldn't achieve half of what Fakhar already has.
 
Fakhar Zaman not only played selfless innings but carried 2 deadwood players like selfish Azam and selector's nephew Imam.

He made a century with 130-140 SR and when he got out his Strike Rate was 130.

He is a real valuable player who needs support from the other side. Abid Ali or Azam need to be promoted in the first powerplay to assist him. Zaman can get more consistent and help Pakistan get towards any target.

he did not play a selfless innings. he played an inning that is expected of him. He did really well. I think Imam did ok yesterday. but yes I want to see abid ali get a couple of games.
 
That wasn't true last autumn.

Despite his weaknesses he'll still maintained a decent record against the top teams.

Rohit Sharma with all his talent still struggles against the moving ball.

Every single batsman has weaknesses and despite Fakhar being a "rich mans Awais Zia' he's definitely good enough for this pathetic Pakistani side.

Shafiq, Amin, Umar Akmal with all of their talunt still couldn't achieve half of what Fakhar already has.

I think he has really worked on improving his game vs. the short ball. Not too many top edges yesterday. Engalnd bowled rubbish to him as well. True test will be the next three innings when they come back with new plans to him. Should expect a lot of length bowling on off stump with short deliveries pitch on off-stump, not middle or leg.
 
Neither. Imam makes the team on merit and so does Fakhar. My issue is with people singling out Imam but giving Fakhar a free ride even though he has not set the world on fire. He flopped in the Asia Cup and in South Africa while Imam was top scorer in both series.

I don't want to take any credit from Fakhar, but England did not test his weak zones today. Almost 85% of his runs came on the leg side - if you keep bowling the wrong lengths on his pads, he is going to hack you for runs all day long. It eventually took a wide delivery outside the off-stump to get him out. The fourth stump channel and well-directed bouncers are his major weak zones.

Both Imam and Fakhar have their respective strengths and weaknesses. Imam has better composure, occupies the crease and doesn't throw in the towel easily. However, he is not very aggressive. Fakhar can score quickly against any opposition, but his technique is very streaky and he often looks helpless when you target his weaknesses.

If you could combine the two into one player, you will get a world class opener. However, in their individual capacity, neither of them are anything special. However, we are a rubbish 6th ranked team so beggars cannot be choosers.

I don't have an agenda against Fakhar - my point is that we should not single out Imam for criticism when Fakhar has not outperformed him. If Imam fails in the World Cup while Fakhar excels, by all means drop Imam, but if Imam outperforms Fakhar once again, at least we should be honest and praise Imam instead of protecting Fakhar from criticism.

I hold you in high regard as a poster and you provide great insight into cricket but I think your comments on Fakhar with statements citing "hack" and "needing all the stars to align" etc are worse than those involved in the witch-hunt against Imam because they have valid concerns.

Earlier this week I was plugging a way on excel to deduce Imam's SR against the top 5 (SENAI). I bet even you don't know, that it is actually as low as 71! Even you cannot defend this with the "this is good for a mediocre Pakistan team" excuse because Babar, Haris and Fakhar are all striking it at 80+, equating to a significant 15%+ difference.

Fakhar is actually is striking it at 90+ against the top 5 (except Aus who has yet to play against) and apart from SA, his averages are well beyond Imam's numbers.

When you say "Imam makes the team on merit and so does Fakhar", it's as if you're trying to say they're the same calibre, so I find that highly disingenuous.

Imam's low strike rate against the better bowling sides (top 5) of 71 shows he's not ready to be start in this WC - and yes even for a mediocre 6th ranked ODI side it is not good enough. Don't get me wrong I like Imam and pleased to see him improve, but the WC has come 1-2 years too soon at this stage, so I would rather open with Babar instead and promote Haris to number 3 (preferred spot).

After the WC, Imam should be an automatic starter and deserves to be invested for at least 12-18 months because he has shown mental toughness and ability to enhance his game.

I appreciate Fakhar is not your cup of tea, but he deserves more respect and you need to be more objective of Imam.
 
He was struggling to hit deliveries that were angled into his body. India and South Africa cramped him for room. He has always been able to punish loose deliveries on the leg side.

Fakhar does have some weakness especially his lack of off-side stroke play, it is a shame management have not addressed this over the past 2 years; but he is very strong mentally and while not pleasing on the eye he is very effective in this era where you are required to score very quickly. Imam is like the opposite side of the coin to Fakhar where their strengths and weaknesses are switched. Neither are perfect but this is the best / most settled opening pair we could hope for if am honest and they deserve a lot of credit, batting has never been our forte and top order batting, the less said the better. A lot depends on what our top 3 produce in the tournament, after that you can wish for a Hail Mary but be it Imam or Fakhar it seems both are overly criticised for different reasons and most of the time it's not justified objectively.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you are spot on with your analysis regarding Imam-ul-Haq and Fakhar Zaman. Honestly, some posters disagree with you but more often than not you are right. You have debunked the myth that 'iMaM fOrces ZaMan tO geT oUt' perfectly and I hope no one dares making that claim again
 
As with most comebacks or debuts in Pakistan, what matters now is whether this return to form is sustainable. Fakhar should expect a different line of attack and maybe even exposure to spin early tomorrow. Let’s see how he does. Same goes for Asif Ali
 
I think he has really worked on improving his game vs. the short ball. Not too many top edges yesterday. Engalnd bowled rubbish to him as well. True test will be the next three innings when they come back with new plans to him. Should expect a lot of length bowling on off stump with short deliveries pitch on off-stump, not middle or leg.

Yeah, there was only one top edge yesterday which landed safely.

I don't know why these guys don't improvise against the short ball.

Always trying to play a pull shot that ends up going straight up in the air.
 
I don't know why these guys don't improvise against the short ball.

Always trying to play a pull shot that ends up going straight up in the air.
Its about muscle memory and practice. Like most folks who have played cricket, the inclination when hitting the ball hard is to mow across the line. Its a split second in which you have to decide whether you want to ramp the ball, or cut it over point, or to pull to midwicket, or to pull to fine leg depending on the field set. You have to practice endlessly so that you are ready to execute any of these shots when under pressure in a game situation. Imad Wasim was a classic case of that the other day. He go two short deliveries before the one that dismissed. The field was set for short-pitch bowling, it was obvious. Under pressure he reverted to slogging across the line rather than try any other option.
 
FZ has restored our faith. Needs to back it up with another good score and win the game for Pak
 
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I am wrong more often than I am right, but I think people easily fall for certain perceptions because that is what they want to believe. It is very easy for people who dislike Imam but like Fakhar to fall for the notion that since Imam is defensive and Fakhar is aggressive, he must be responsible whenever the latter throws his wicket away.

This line of though was repeatedly used to project the failures of Umar Akmal on Misbah.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Fakhar, it is beyond any doubt that he is an asset for Pakistan when he fires. Considering the way he bats, he is the difference between Pakistan scoring 260-270 or 320+. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see Fakhar belt bowlers all around the park in the World Cup, but his long list of failures in the last 7-8 months has made me skeptical.

Teams will try to nullify him knowing that he is the big threat (in terms of impact) in the Pakistan lineup, and I am not sure if he has the technique or the versatility to respond.

As far as Imam is concerned, the problem is that for all the objective criticism (low SR, high dot ball % etc.) he gets too much undue hate. Some people refused to give him a chance before he had played a single ball for Pakistan because of the perceived nepotism.

There is no doubt that Inzamam helped him get an international cap earlier than he would have otherwise, but his connection with Inzamam has also subjected him to a lot of hate. If he wasn't Inzamam's nephew, he would have received half the criticism with the same performances.

He has been around for less than 2 years, and for all his shortcomings that no should deny, he has already made a considerable mark for a 22-23 young Pakistani batsman.

- He became the first Pakistani since Saleem Elahi in 1995 to score a hundred on ODI debut.

- He scored 74* on Test debut to see Pakistan home in a very tricky run chase against Ireland.

- He top scored for Pakistan in the Asia Cup where 99% of our players were completely disastrous.

- He top scored and won MoS in an ODI series in South Africa, and scored more runs and averaged three times higher than Fakhar.

- In spite of not getting picked in the original PSL draft, he gets his chance at the last moment and he ends up performing at the same level as Fakhar, at a very similar average and SR.

In my opinion, that is quite an impressive track-record for his first 1.5 years in international cricket, especially when you take into account our batting struggles. It is also easy to forget that in the 2014 U-19 World Cup, he top scored for Pakistan and finished as the second highest scorer overall.

Yes he is not the finished article at 22/23, and he is not the most talented batsman in the world, but based on the above, does he really deserve all the abuse and the "p@rchi" chants every time he steps onto the field?

For the first year or so, he dealt with the trolling and the insults with dignity, and only in the last 5-6 months or so has he started to vent his frustration. Perhaps he needs to tone it down, but there is only so much that one can take. The fact that he has continued to perform for Pakistan and has kept his composure multiple times when other batsmen went bonkers shows his mental strength and resilience.

A lesser character would have not been able to cope with it. Someone like Faisal Iqbal couldn't, even though it wasn't the age of social media and he didn't face as much abuse as Imam does now. He was a very good domestic player and at 21, he played Shane Warne better than most players, but he couldn't cope with the pressure of being Miandad's nephew and thus never fulfilled his potential in international cricket.

The valid, objective criticism of some people is overshadowed by the irrational detestation of the majority. When Imam scores and Pakistan win, they put him down because he made selfish runs and boosted his average while glorifying some other player(s) who performed in that game.

When he scores and Pakistan lose, they again put him down because his selfish batting was the reason why we lost, even though he is often one of the very few players who performed.

When he fails, he must be the reason why Pakistan lost as if the other players who failed had no part in it.

We need to change our collective attitude and give this young kid a chance. He has performed well enough to merit a place in the team and it is not his fault that he is Inzamam's nephew.

He has shown maturity and the ability to handle pressure and we must back him to see if he can take his game up a notch over the next few years. He is 23, Fakhar is almost 30. Imam has shown the ability to improve, and we don't know what his level would be 7 years from now when he will be at his peak, which Fakhar is now.

If he fails, he fails - he won't be the first or the last player. People will say that he was an average player and I was a fool to have faith in him, but life will go on.

However, if he succeeds, the people who are not giving him a chance because of their bias and prejudgement will be the ones who will end up looking like fools.
 
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I am wrong more often than I am right, but I think people easily fall for certain perceptions because that is what they want to believe. It is very easy for people who dislike Imam but like Fakhar to fall for the notion that since Imam is defensive and Fakhar is aggressive, he must be responsible whenever the latter throws his wicket away.

This line of though was repeatedly used to project the failures of Umar Akmal on Misbah.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Fakhar, it is beyond any doubt that he is an asset for Pakistan when he fires. Considering the way he bats, he is the difference between Pakistan scoring 260-270 or 320+. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see Fakhar belt bowlers all around the park in the World Cup, but his long list of failures in the last 7-8 months has made me skeptical.

Teams will try to nullify him knowing that he is the big threat (in terms of impact) in the Pakistan lineup, and I am not sure if he has the technique or the versatility to respond.

As far as Imam is concerned, the problem is that for all the objective criticism (low SR, high dot ball % etc.) he gets too much undue hate. Some people refused to give him a chance before he had played a single ball for Pakistan because of the perceived nepotism.

There is no doubt that Inzamam helped him get an international cap earlier than he would have otherwise, but his connection with Inzamam has also subjected him to a lot of hate. If he wasn't Inzamam's nephew, he would have received half the criticism with the same performances.

He has been around for less than 2 years, and for all his shortcomings that no should deny, he has already made a considerable mark for a 22-23 young Pakistani batsman.

- He became the first Pakistani since Saleem Elahi in 1995 to score a hundred on ODI debut.

- He scored 74* on Test debut to see Pakistan home in a very tricky run chase against Ireland.

- He top scored for Pakistan in the Asia Cup where 99% of our players were completely disastrous.

- He top scored and won MoS in an ODI series in South Africa, and scored more runs and averaged three times higher than Fakhar.

- In spite of not getting picked in the original PSL draft, he gets his chance at the last moment and he ends up performing at the same level as Fakhar, at a very similar average and SR.

In my opinion, that is quite an impressive track-record for his first 1.5 years in international cricket, especially when you take into account our batting struggles. It is also easy to forget that in the 2014 U-19 World Cup, he top scored for Pakistan and finished as the second highest scorer overall.

Yes he is not the finished article at 22/23, and he is not the most talented batsman in the world, but based on the above, does he really deserve all the abuse and the "p@rchi" chants every time he steps onto the field?

For the first year or so, he dealt with the trolling and the insults with dignity, and only in the last 5-6 months or so has he started to vent his frustration. Perhaps he needs to tone it down, but there is only so much that one can take. The fact that he has continued to perform for Pakistan and has kept his composure multiple times when other batsmen went bonkers shows his mental strength and resilience.

A lesser character would have not been able to cope with it. Someone like Faisal Iqbal couldn't, even though it wasn't the age of social media and he didn't face as much abuse as Imam does now. He was a very good domestic player and at 21, he played Shane Warne better than most players, but he couldn't cope with the pressure of being Miandad's nephew and thus never fulfilled his potential in international cricket.

The valid, objective criticism of some people is overshadowed by the irrational detestation of the majority. When Imam scores and Pakistan win, they put him down because he made selfish runs and boosted his average while glorifying some other player(s) who performed in that game.

When he scores and Pakistan lose, they again put him down because his selfish batting was the reason why we lost, even though he is often one of the very few players who performed.

When he fails, he must be the reason why Pakistan lost as if the other players who failed had no part in it.

We need to change our collective attitude and give this young kid a chance. He has performed well enough to merit a place in the team and it is not his fault that he is Inzamam's nephew.

He has shown maturity and the ability to handle pressure and we must back him to see if he can take his game up a notch over the next few years. He is 23, Fakhar is almost 30. Imam has shown the ability to improve, and we don't know what his level would be 7 years from now when he will be at his peak, which Fakhar is now.

If he fails, he fails - he won't be the first or the last player. People will say that he was an average player and I was a fool to have faith in him, but life will go on.

However, if he succeeds, the people who are not giving him a chance because of their bias and prejudgement will be the ones who will end up looking like fools.

Quality post. Batsmen have to be persisted with. Its not like there is an outstanding option that Imam in domestic cricket.
 
I like Fakhar, needs to be backed up. He is the only match winner batsman in the side. Imam also isn’t that bad - need him to work on his SR.

I don’t rate Babar - king of softy. Look at the way he got out to Rashid. I don’t remember him winning a match in his career so far.
 
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Fakhar is not a natural opener, he should play at number 4/5 which is his actual number & this Pakistani team need him more at 4/5. In his later part of career he will suffer as an opener & may be we will see his early exit.
 
Fakhar is not a natural opener, he should play at number 4/5 which is his actual number & this Pakistani team need him more at 4/5. In his later part of career he will suffer as an opener & may be we will see his early exit.

We already get to poor starts at the top most of the time. We at least need one aggressor and Fakhar does that job.
 
We already get to poor starts at the top most of the time. We at least need one aggressor and Fakhar does that job.

Indeed he is doing but he will be more useful at 4/5. Pakistan need to try someone like ahsan ali or saud shakil as an opener.
 
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I am wrong more often than I am right, but I think people easily fall for certain perceptions because that is what they want to believe. It is very easy for people who dislike Imam but like Fakhar to fall for the notion that since Imam is defensive and Fakhar is aggressive, he must be responsible whenever the latter throws his wicket away.

This line of though was repeatedly used to project the failures of Umar Akmal on Misbah.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Fakhar, it is beyond any doubt that he is an asset for Pakistan when he fires. Considering the way he bats, he is the difference between Pakistan scoring 260-270 or 320+. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see Fakhar belt bowlers all around the park in the World Cup, but his long list of failures in the last 7-8 months has made me skeptical.

Teams will try to nullify him knowing that he is the big threat (in terms of impact) in the Pakistan lineup, and I am not sure if he has the technique or the versatility to respond.

As far as Imam is concerned, the problem is that for all the objective criticism (low SR, high dot ball % etc.) he gets too much undue hate. Some people refused to give him a chance before he had played a single ball for Pakistan because of the perceived nepotism.

There is no doubt that Inzamam helped him get an international cap earlier than he would have otherwise, but his connection with Inzamam has also subjected him to a lot of hate. If he wasn't Inzamam's nephew, he would have received half the criticism with the same performances.

He has been around for less than 2 years, and for all his shortcomings that no should deny, he has already made a considerable mark for a 22-23 young Pakistani batsman.

- He became the first Pakistani since Saleem Elahi in 1995 to score a hundred on ODI debut.

- He scored 74* on Test debut to see Pakistan home in a very tricky run chase against Ireland.

- He top scored for Pakistan in the Asia Cup where 99% of our players were completely disastrous.

- He top scored and won MoS in an ODI series in South Africa, and scored more runs and averaged three times higher than Fakhar.

- In spite of not getting picked in the original PSL draft, he gets his chance at the last moment and he ends up performing at the same level as Fakhar, at a very similar average and SR.

In my opinion, that is quite an impressive track-record for his first 1.5 years in international cricket, especially when you take into account our batting struggles. It is also easy to forget that in the 2014 U-19 World Cup, he top scored for Pakistan and finished as the second highest scorer overall.

Yes he is not the finished article at 22/23, and he is not the most talented batsman in the world, but based on the above, does he really deserve all the abuse and the "p@rchi" chants every time he steps onto the field?

For the first year or so, he dealt with the trolling and the insults with dignity, and only in the last 5-6 months or so has he started to vent his frustration. Perhaps he needs to tone it down, but there is only so much that one can take. The fact that he has continued to perform for Pakistan and has kept his composure multiple times when other batsmen went bonkers shows his mental strength and resilience.

A lesser character would have not been able to cope with it. Someone like Faisal Iqbal couldn't, even though it wasn't the age of social media and he didn't face as much abuse as Imam does now. He was a very good domestic player and at 21, he played Shane Warne better than most players, but he couldn't cope with the pressure of being Miandad's nephew and thus never fulfilled his potential in international cricket.

The valid, objective criticism of some people is overshadowed by the irrational detestation of the majority. When Imam scores and Pakistan win, they put him down because he made selfish runs and boosted his average while glorifying some other player(s) who performed in that game.

When he scores and Pakistan lose, they again put him down because his selfish batting was the reason why we lost, even though he is often one of the very few players who performed.

When he fails, he must be the reason why Pakistan lost as if the other players who failed had no part in it.

We need to change our collective attitude and give this young kid a chance. He has performed well enough to merit a place in the team and it is not his fault that he is Inzamam's nephew.

He has shown maturity and the ability to handle pressure and we must back him to see if he can take his game up a notch over the next few years. He is 23, Fakhar is almost 30. Imam has shown the ability to improve, and we don't know what his level would be 7 years from now when he will be at his peak, which Fakhar is now.

If he fails, he fails - he won't be the first or the last player. People will say that he was an average player and I was a fool to have faith in him, but life will go on.

However, if he succeeds, the people who are not giving him a chance because of their bias and prejudgement will be the ones who will end up looking like fools.

Quality post.
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION] POTW for me.
 
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I am wrong more often than I am right, but I think people easily fall for certain perceptions because that is what they want to believe. It is very easy for people who dislike Imam but like Fakhar to fall for the notion that since Imam is defensive and Fakhar is aggressive, he must be responsible whenever the latter throws his wicket away.

This line of though was repeatedly used to project the failures of Umar Akmal on Misbah.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Fakhar, it is beyond any doubt that he is an asset for Pakistan when he fires. Considering the way he bats, he is the difference between Pakistan scoring 260-270 or 320+. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see Fakhar belt bowlers all around the park in the World Cup, but his long list of failures in the last 7-8 months has made me skeptical.

Teams will try to nullify him knowing that he is the big threat (in terms of impact) in the Pakistan lineup, and I am not sure if he has the technique or the versatility to respond.

As far as Imam is concerned, the problem is that for all the objective criticism (low SR, high dot ball % etc.) he gets too much undue hate. Some people refused to give him a chance before he had played a single ball for Pakistan because of the perceived nepotism.

There is no doubt that Inzamam helped him get an international cap earlier than he would have otherwise, but his connection with Inzamam has also subjected him to a lot of hate. If he wasn't Inzamam's nephew, he would have received half the criticism with the same performances.

He has been around for less than 2 years, and for all his shortcomings that no should deny, he has already made a considerable mark for a 22-23 young Pakistani batsman.

- He became the first Pakistani since Saleem Elahi in 1995 to score a hundred on ODI debut.

- He scored 74* on Test debut to see Pakistan home in a very tricky run chase against Ireland.

- He top scored for Pakistan in the Asia Cup where 99% of our players were completely disastrous.

- He top scored and won MoS in an ODI series in South Africa, and scored more runs and averaged three times higher than Fakhar.

- In spite of not getting picked in the original PSL draft, he gets his chance at the last moment and he ends up performing at the same level as Fakhar, at a very similar average and SR.

In my opinion, that is quite an impressive track-record for his first 1.5 years in international cricket, especially when you take into account our batting struggles. It is also easy to forget that in the 2014 U-19 World Cup, he top scored for Pakistan and finished as the second highest scorer overall.

Yes he is not the finished article at 22/23, and he is not the most talented batsman in the world, but based on the above, does he really deserve all the abuse and the "p@rchi" chants every time he steps onto the field?

For the first year or so, he dealt with the trolling and the insults with dignity, and only in the last 5-6 months or so has he started to vent his frustration. Perhaps he needs to tone it down, but there is only so much that one can take. The fact that he has continued to perform for Pakistan and has kept his composure multiple times when other batsmen went bonkers shows his mental strength and resilience.

A lesser character would have not been able to cope with it. Someone like Faisal Iqbal couldn't, even though it wasn't the age of social media and he didn't face as much abuse as Imam does now. He was a very good domestic player and at 21, he played Shane Warne better than most players, but he couldn't cope with the pressure of being Miandad's nephew and thus never fulfilled his potential in international cricket.

The valid, objective criticism of some people is overshadowed by the irrational detestation of the majority. When Imam scores and Pakistan win, they put him down because he made selfish runs and boosted his average while glorifying some other player(s) who performed in that game.

When he scores and Pakistan lose, they again put him down because his selfish batting was the reason why we lost, even though he is often one of the very few players who performed.

When he fails, he must be the reason why Pakistan lost as if the other players who failed had no part in it.

We need to change our collective attitude and give this young kid a chance. He has performed well enough to merit a place in the team and it is not his fault that he is Inzamam's nephew.

He has shown maturity and the ability to handle pressure and we must back him to see if he can take his game up a notch over the next few years. He is 23, Fakhar is almost 30. Imam has shown the ability to improve, and we don't know what his level would be 7 years from now when he will be at his peak, which Fakhar is now.

If he fails, he fails - he won't be the first or the last player. People will say that he was an average player and I was a fool to have faith in him, but life will go on.

However, if he succeeds, the people who are not giving him a chance because of their bias and prejudgement will be the ones who will end up looking like fools.


Don't usually agree with a lot of your posts but this is spot on.
 
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I am wrong more often than I am right, but I think people easily fall for certain perceptions because that is what they want to believe. It is very easy for people who dislike Imam but like Fakhar to fall for the notion that since Imam is defensive and Fakhar is aggressive, he must be responsible whenever the latter throws his wicket away.

This line of though was repeatedly used to project the failures of Umar Akmal on Misbah.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Fakhar, it is beyond any doubt that he is an asset for Pakistan when he fires. Considering the way he bats, he is the difference between Pakistan scoring 260-270 or 320+. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see Fakhar belt bowlers all around the park in the World Cup, but his long list of failures in the last 7-8 months has made me skeptical.

Teams will try to nullify him knowing that he is the big threat (in terms of impact) in the Pakistan lineup, and I am not sure if he has the technique or the versatility to respond.

As far as Imam is concerned, the problem is that for all the objective criticism (low SR, high dot ball % etc.) he gets too much undue hate. Some people refused to give him a chance before he had played a single ball for Pakistan because of the perceived nepotism.

There is no doubt that Inzamam helped him get an international cap earlier than he would have otherwise, but his connection with Inzamam has also subjected him to a lot of hate. If he wasn't Inzamam's nephew, he would have received half the criticism with the same performances.

He has been around for less than 2 years, and for all his shortcomings that no should deny, he has already made a considerable mark for a 22-23 young Pakistani batsman.

- He became the first Pakistani since Saleem Elahi in 1995 to score a hundred on ODI debut.

- He scored 74* on Test debut to see Pakistan home in a very tricky run chase against Ireland.

- He top scored for Pakistan in the Asia Cup where 99% of our players were completely disastrous.

- He top scored and won MoS in an ODI series in South Africa, and scored more runs and averaged three times higher than Fakhar.

- In spite of not getting picked in the original PSL draft, he gets his chance at the last moment and he ends up performing at the same level as Fakhar, at a very similar average and SR.

In my opinion, that is quite an impressive track-record for his first 1.5 years in international cricket, especially when you take into account our batting struggles. It is also easy to forget that in the 2014 U-19 World Cup, he top scored for Pakistan and finished as the second highest scorer overall.

Yes he is not the finished article at 22/23, and he is not the most talented batsman in the world, but based on the above, does he really deserve all the abuse and the "p@rchi" chants every time he steps onto the field?

For the first year or so, he dealt with the trolling and the insults with dignity, and only in the last 5-6 months or so has he started to vent his frustration. Perhaps he needs to tone it down, but there is only so much that one can take. The fact that he has continued to perform for Pakistan and has kept his composure multiple times when other batsmen went bonkers shows his mental strength and resilience.

A lesser character would have not been able to cope with it. Someone like Faisal Iqbal couldn't, even though it wasn't the age of social media and he didn't face as much abuse as Imam does now. He was a very good domestic player and at 21, he played Shane Warne better than most players, but he couldn't cope with the pressure of being Miandad's nephew and thus never fulfilled his potential in international cricket.

The valid, objective criticism of some people is overshadowed by the irrational detestation of the majority. When Imam scores and Pakistan win, they put him down because he made selfish runs and boosted his average while glorifying some other player(s) who performed in that game.

When he scores and Pakistan lose, they again put him down because his selfish batting was the reason why we lost, even though he is often one of the very few players who performed.

When he fails, he must be the reason why Pakistan lost as if the other players who failed had no part in it.

We need to change our collective attitude and give this young kid a chance. He has performed well enough to merit a place in the team and it is not his fault that he is Inzamam's nephew.

He has shown maturity and the ability to handle pressure and we must back him to see if he can take his game up a notch over the next few years. He is 23, Fakhar is almost 30. Imam has shown the ability to improve, and we don't know what his level would be 7 years from now when he will be at his peak, which Fakhar is now.

If he fails, he fails - he won't be the first or the last player. People will say that he was an average player and I was a fool to have faith in him, but life will go on.

However, if he succeeds, the people who are not giving him a chance because of their bias and prejudgement will be the ones who will end up looking like fools.

Well done
@POTW
 
Disagree, mamoon's post should not be POTW as it is the usual wrist slitting rubbish.

His championing of Imam comes at the expense of Fakhar.

The fact is, both are top level ODI batsmen and the best Pak have had in years. Their styles compliment each other perfectly and should be playing for Pakistan for years to come.
 
If Fakhar is a “hack“, then pls give me 6 proper “hacks”.

Guy is so mentally tough :fz

Indeed he is a soldier, way to go Fauji!

Agreed absolutely.

Not sure how many hacks average 50 or so with a sr of 100+.
 
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I am wrong more often than I am right, but I think people easily fall for certain perceptions because that is what they want to believe. It is very easy for people who dislike Imam but like Fakhar to fall for the notion that since Imam is defensive and Fakhar is aggressive, he must be responsible whenever the latter throws his wicket away.

This line of though was repeatedly used to project the failures of Umar Akmal on Misbah.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Fakhar, it is beyond any doubt that he is an asset for Pakistan when he fires. Considering the way he bats, he is the difference between Pakistan scoring 260-270 or 320+. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to see Fakhar belt bowlers all around the park in the World Cup, but his long list of failures in the last 7-8 months has made me skeptical.

Teams will try to nullify him knowing that he is the big threat (in terms of impact) in the Pakistan lineup, and I am not sure if he has the technique or the versatility to respond.

As far as Imam is concerned, the problem is that for all the objective criticism (low SR, high dot ball % etc.) he gets too much undue hate. Some people refused to give him a chance before he had played a single ball for Pakistan because of the perceived nepotism.

There is no doubt that Inzamam helped him get an international cap earlier than he would have otherwise, but his connection with Inzamam has also subjected him to a lot of hate. If he wasn't Inzamam's nephew, he would have received half the criticism with the same performances.

He has been around for less than 2 years, and for all his shortcomings that no should deny, he has already made a considerable mark for a 22-23 young Pakistani batsman.

- He became the first Pakistani since Saleem Elahi in 1995 to score a hundred on ODI debut.

- He scored 74* on Test debut to see Pakistan home in a very tricky run chase against Ireland.

- He top scored for Pakistan in the Asia Cup where 99% of our players were completely disastrous.

- He top scored and won MoS in an ODI series in South Africa, and scored more runs and averaged three times higher than Fakhar.

- In spite of not getting picked in the original PSL draft, he gets his chance at the last moment and he ends up performing at the same level as Fakhar, at a very similar average and SR.

In my opinion, that is quite an impressive track-record for his first 1.5 years in international cricket, especially when you take into account our batting struggles. It is also easy to forget that in the 2014 U-19 World Cup, he top scored for Pakistan and finished as the second highest scorer overall.

Yes he is not the finished article at 22/23, and he is not the most talented batsman in the world, but based on the above, does he really deserve all the abuse and the "p@rchi" chants every time he steps onto the field?

For the first year or so, he dealt with the trolling and the insults with dignity, and only in the last 5-6 months or so has he started to vent his frustration. Perhaps he needs to tone it down, but there is only so much that one can take. The fact that he has continued to perform for Pakistan and has kept his composure multiple times when other batsmen went bonkers shows his mental strength and resilience.

A lesser character would have not been able to cope with it. Someone like Faisal Iqbal couldn't, even though it wasn't the age of social media and he didn't face as much abuse as Imam does now. He was a very good domestic player and at 21, he played Shane Warne better than most players, but he couldn't cope with the pressure of being Miandad's nephew and thus never fulfilled his potential in international cricket.

The valid, objective criticism of some people is overshadowed by the irrational detestation of the majority. When Imam scores and Pakistan win, they put him down because he made selfish runs and boosted his average while glorifying some other player(s) who performed in that game.

When he scores and Pakistan lose, they again put him down because his selfish batting was the reason why we lost, even though he is often one of the very few players who performed.

When he fails, he must be the reason why Pakistan lost as if the other players who failed had no part in it.

We need to change our collective attitude and give this young kid a chance. He has performed well enough to merit a place in the team and it is not his fault that he is Inzamam's nephew.

He has shown maturity and the ability to handle pressure and we must back him to see if he can take his game up a notch over the next few years. He is 23, Fakhar is almost 30. Imam has shown the ability to improve, and we don't know what his level would be 7 years from now when he will be at his peak, which Fakhar is now.

If he fails, he fails - he won't be the first or the last player. People will say that he was an average player and I was a fool to have faith in him, but life will go on.

However, if he succeeds, the people who are not giving him a chance because of their bias and prejudgement will be the ones who will end up looking like fools.

You're bang on, POTW [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
 
Misbah on Fakhar Zaman ---

There is no doubt that Fakhar Zaman's performance has come down but even after that his ODI average is around 45; In the last few series his performance hasnt been up to par but still he is an impact player and is someone who, if he plays 10 overs, increases the chances of winning the game

So we will try and work on Fakhar's problems and instead of wasting him as a player, we need to see how we can utilize him in a better way as such players for you are match winners
 
What an innings today! better then anything I have seen from Sachin Tendulkar
 
Regardless of his deficiencies as a batsman, Fakhar still finds a way to churn out runs through grit and determination. Although, I hope this 193 is not a fluke and is the beginning of new found form as Pakistan really needs a batter like him to fire at the top.
 
Great innings today, but i hope this does not mean he is undroppable.

When Razzaq pulled that blinder against SA in UAE, he continued to play every match for pakistan. Interestingly, after that 100 he whine how he neverr got proper chance etc. After that 100, razzaq only once got a score of 50+ and became big reliability for us.

Great innings by Fakhar today. You dont win a MOTM in losing cause unless the innings is magnificent. But i really hope he becomes more consistent from now on.
 
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