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I can't think of any three young batters (all of whom are 23 years old) that look like they will take the places of the Fab 4 more than these three. Okay, maybe Finn Allen might be a bit of a stretch at this point considering he hasn't done anything in FC cricket. But I don't think anyone who has seen him bat can deny that he has loads of talent and potential.

Brook and Gill on the other hand are rising remarkably quickly. And even more than Smith, Root and Williamson, they feel like they have a bit of Kohli in them. Because they are aggressive players, they understand the demands of the modern game and seem destined to dominate all formats in the next few years.

I'm sure there are younger batters that impress posters more. But I'm not talking about them. I'm talking specifically about this class of 2018.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
I can't think of any three young batters (all of whom are 23 years old) that look like they will take the places of the Fab 4 more than these three. Okay, maybe Finn Allen might be a bit of a stretch at this point considering he hasn't done anything in FC cricket. But I don't think anyone who has seen him bat can deny that he has loads of talent and potential.

Brook and Gill on the other hand are rising remarkably quickly. And even more than Smith, Root and Williamson, they feel like they have a bit of Kohli in them. Because they are aggressive players, they understand the demands of the modern game and seem destined to dominate all formats in the next few years.

I'm sure there are younger batters that impress posters more. But I'm not talking about them. I'm talking specifically about this class of 2018.
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Dewald Brevis well ahead of Finn Allen
 
Gill, Cameron Green & Marco Jansen. Don't rate Brook and others that highly.
 
Gill has a very high ceiling. From under-19 days he is being groomed as Next Kohli. Brewal next ABDV. Gill has just announced himself.
 
Finn isn't in that class. Seems hell bent on playing recklessly and can't knuckle down to see off good bowlers early on.

Gill and Brook are definite stars of the now who will define the next generation.
 
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Finn Allen is gonna be another Nathan Astle or Martin Guptill. Don't expect him to be in the club of all format great batters.

Brook and Gill are the only likely candidates from the 2018 class. Shaw has been a disappointment. His fans hyped him to be in the league of Lara and Tendulkar but now they have run away as the going got tougher for them :inti
 
I know it’s too early but if they fulfill their potential and we handle them appropriately, I expect Saim and Huraira in this list in the future. Perhaps abduallah as well.
 
Brook,Gill,Belvis,Green. I Would love guys like Harris & Ayub to make it big,but I have no confidence in PAK cricket culture. They have zero idea how to cultivate young batsman.
 
For Gill to be a all format monster, he first needs to be played consistently in all formats.

Currently, they are just wasting his roaring form for some tried and tested failures.
 
shamaan said:
In tests he's better than Gill
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Don't think so. Gill played a starring role in one of India's greatest test victories in Australia, and confidently took on Australia's fearsome pace attack in Australia. Shafique's finest hour was that century against Sri Lanka...and some centuries on dead-flat tracks that don't mean anything because we didn't win any of those matches. Since then he has since then he has struggled deeply against left-arm spin.
 
Brook is a special talent. Absolutely sure he will make it real big, like Kevin Pietersen. Gill is a very good player and yeah he also should be one of the best in upcoming years.

Finn Allen not at all.

Amongst others I think Dewald Brevis and Jordan Hermann both have a lot of potential but obviously they haven't played at international level yet. Amongst bowlers Ihsanullah and Abrar Ahmad, both from Pak have impressed me a lot.
 
Brook looks something special. Plays on the back foot as well as front foot equally well and same is the case when it comes to playing pace bowling or spin till now. Exceptional so far.

Gill is looking like the next in line but in terms of impact fair way away from Brook currently. Rest are fine and few others upcoming ones as well, will have to see them play more at international level and the impact they create. Finn Allen's technique leaves a lot to be desired currently.
 
Harry Brook will get marmalised in India. I will rate him when he does well over there.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Don't think so. Gill played a starring role in one of India's greatest test victories in Australia, and confidently took on Australia's fearsome pace attack in Australia. Shafique's finest hour was that century against Sri Lanka...and some centuries on dead-flat tracks that don't mean anything because we didn't win any of those matches. Since then he has since then he has struggled deeply against left-arm spin.
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What about his 96 against Australia in the drawn game.
 
Finn Allen. :91:

This is as hilarious as clamoring for Masood to be the next captain.
 
RexRex said:
Harry Brook will get marmalised in India. I will rate him when he does well over there.
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Ponting got marmalised in India throughout his career. It doesn’t mean he is not one of the greatest ever.

Performing in India doesn’t make or break a career. It simply elevates your status. Brook is destined to be a legendary player irrespective of how he fares in India, although I think he will do better than what people think.
 
shamaan said:
In tests he's better than Gill
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The delusion continues, but the reality will be accepted soon. Forget Shafique - Gill is levels above Babar and there will be no comparison between the two in 10 years.
 
Mamoon said:
The delusion continues, but the reality will be accepted soon. Forget Shafique - Gill is levels above Babar and there will be no comparison between the two in 10 years.
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Levels above but replaced by a nobody Rahul.
 
It is upto players to keep their motivation level higher at the end of the regardless of the talent. Some fizzled out after an year or two. Some end up having a great career. When Alilstair cook started his career i never expected him to go on to make 10k runs. Had a disciplined career.
 
Harry Brook is the real deal. The man already looks better than Joe Root whenever I see him play. He will be an ATG in the making.

Gill is a very good ODI batsman. His T20 skills are not up to the mark. He is a very good player against Pace. His ability to play turning ball is nothing to be proud of. Overall, he will be there as an Indian great. He has the tools to be an ATG if he improves his play against spin.
 
Gill is most probably going to be better than Babar in limited overs. But Babar will shine in tests where he can just continuously bat in his comfort zone.
 
Fin Allen - Not really.

Shubman Gill - Most probably.

Harry Brook - Certainly.
 
Mamoon said:
Finn Allen. :91:

This is as hilarious as clamoring for Masood to be the next captain.
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Not as hilarious as calling Haris Rauf "a street bowler though" or Naseem Shah "one of the worst bowlers to ever play for Pakistan".

So sit down and stop acting like you know anything about what you're saying.

Had you bothered to actually read the post instead of blabbering incessantly you would have known that I already said that Finn Allen might be a bit of a stretch at this point but there's no denying that he has alot of talent.
 
Harris Brook is the next big batter as per me. He should do well on turners in India. You need controlled aggression with solid defence which he possesses.
 
Brook looks the real deal. A "lambi race ka ghoda". Plenty of records in his future.

Gill still has some development left to go. His frontfoot play is still juvenile. Not solid enough yet for challenging conditions. A "Kholi" syndrome. But the boy is hard working so it may work itself out.

I don't know about Allen, he hasn't exhibited any signs of longevity yet. Hand eye coordination will only take you so far.
 
Check Harry Brook's first class record. His average is less than 40 after playing 40+ matches. No doubt he has started well in his early career, but those matches were played on the flattest cricketing pitches against very loose bowling attack of Pakistan. Newzealand too had two debutant bowlers.
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Check Harry Brook's first class record. His average is less than 40 after playing 40+ matches. No doubt he has started well in his early career, but those matches were played on the flattest cricketing pitches against very loose bowling attack of Pakistan. Newzealand too had two debutant bowlers.
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Brook's domestic record is mediocre but it's not the end all of a batter. You develop rapidly in early part of your career. Sudden improvements aren't uncommon. He passes all my admittedly amateur eye tests.
 
JattMaula said:
Brook's domestic record is mediocre but it's not the end all of a batter. You develop rapidly in early part of your career. Sudden improvements aren't uncommon. He passes all my admittedly amateur eye tests.
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I have only watched him against India and he was suspect against Spinners. Got out cheaply to them. Again, sample size is too small.
 
WengerOut said:
I have only watched him against India and he was suspect against Spinners. Got out cheaply to them. Again, sample size is too small.
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I watched him bat in tests. He is alright against spin on relatively flat pitches. That's good enough.

Not many modern batters are good against real spin anyway.
 
zarak said:
Gill is most probably going to be better than Babar in limited overs. But Babar will shine in tests where he can just continuously bat in his comfort zone.
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With the type of pitches PCB produces, Babar can certainly produce better stats than Gill.
 
No batsman had the exact same form right through his career. There will be slump. There was a period of 3 yeasr where Kohli did not put a foot wrong. That will decide the career of a player.
 
JattMaula said:
Brook's domestic record is mediocre but it's not the end all of a batter. You develop rapidly in early part of your career. Sudden improvements aren't uncommon. He passes all my admittedly amateur eye tests.
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Brook often bats down the order. By the time he walks in ball is likely to be old and already battered/bruised by other players. Gill is a top order player. So he will have more inconsistency until he establishes himself.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Brook often bats down the order. By the time he walks in ball is likely to be old and already battered/bruised by other players. Gill is a top order player. So he will have more inconsistency until he establishes himself.
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Gill will probably bat at 4 long term.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Not as hilarious as calling Haris Rauf "a street bowler though" or Naseem Shah "one of the worst bowlers to ever play for Pakistan".

So sit down and stop acting like you know anything about what you're saying.

Had you bothered to actually read the post instead of blabbering incessantly you would have known that I already said that Finn Allen might be a bit of a stretch at this point but there's no denying that he has alot of talent.
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What I said about Rauf and Naseem is totally correct. They are great bowlers in the heads of their delusional fans only.

Rauf ran away from Test cricket after 1 Test where he got smashed left right and center, he is ordinary in ODIs and at best a T20 specialist. Even in that format it is all downhill for him ever since Kohli embarrassed him.

Naseem averages 50+ against the top sides in Test cricket. Again, the hype is laughable.

To say that putting Finn Allen alongside Gill and Brook is “a bit of a stretch” is an understatement. It is totally absurd but expected from someone who was adamant that Masood is the right man to lead Pakistan.
 
shamaan said:
Levels above but replaced by a nobody Rahul.
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That has nothing to do with performance but everything to do with the backing that Rahul has within BCCI.

Gill is an incredible player. The best batsman to come out of Asia since Kohli.
 
Mamoon said:
Ponting got marmalised in India throughout his career. It doesn’t mean he is not one of the greatest ever.
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Would you consider any batsman who's repeatedly failed in England while scoring loads everywhere else 'one of the greatest ever' ? I doubt it. Same should apply to Ponting in India. India was one of the only teams along with SA that challenged the great Aussie team of the noughties so that context matters.
 
Mamoon said:
That has nothing to do with performance but everything to do with the backing that Rahul has within BCCI.

Gill is an incredible player. The best batsman to come out of Asia since Kohli.
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He only has 1 hundred in the last 6 Innings all the rest have been under 20.He also averages less than 30 in India so yes he dropped based upon this and rightly justified.
 
Regardless of where they stand currently these 3 are comparable in the sense all 3 hail from the same 2018 batch much like (smith/kane/kohli came from 2008 batch). Brook scored a match winning 100 against Bangladesh. Gill stood well above everyone there. Over a period all 3 have started making their mark. I think Finn Allen was probably a good batsman turned into a hack in an effort to become Guptill's replacecment. So i won't write him off yet.

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Mamoon said:
What I said about Rauf and Naseem is totally correct. They are great bowlers in the heads of their delusional fans only.

Rauf ran away from Test cricket after 1 Test where he got smashed left right and center, he is ordinary in ODIs and at best a T20 specialist. Even in that format it is all downhill for him ever since Kohli embarrassed him.

Naseem averages 50+ against the top sides in Test cricket. Again, the hype is laughable.

To say that putting Finn Allen alongside Gill and Brook is “a bit of a stretch” is an understatement. It is totally absurd but expected from someone who was adamant that Masood is the right man to lead Pakistan.
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No you were not and you've been made to look like a joke numerous times since you made that laughable statement. But seeing how you live in a delusional fantasy to begin with, it doesn't surprise me that you still think you were right.
 
Unreal talent, this Harry Brook. Right now he significantly ahead of Gill. But I don't expect Gill to be trailing him for long.
 
Very few batsman in their career went after almost every ball they faced. Kapil Dev, Afridi, Gilchrist, Sehwag, Pant now Brook.
 
RexRex said:
Would you consider any batsman who's repeatedly failed in England while scoring loads everywhere else 'one of the greatest ever' ? I doubt it. Same should apply to Ponting in India. India was one of the only teams along with SA that challenged the great Aussie team of the noughties so that context matters.
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Yes. A bad record in one country and a great record everywhere else is perfectly acceptable and shouldn’t diminish your legacy.

I mean, Ponting would have been an even greater player had he dominated in India, but the fact that he didn’t doesn’t mean he wasn’t one of the very best of all time.

Harry Brook is also destined for greatness. Simply amazing.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
No you were not and you've been made to look like a joke numerous times since you made that laughable statement. But seeing how you live in a delusional fantasy to begin with, it doesn't surprise me that you still think you were right.
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Naseem has a clownish average against the top sides. Rauf will only play 1 Test in his career where he got destroyed.

Both are facts. Your mental gymnastics and justifications do not interest me.

I forgot another gem though - “Joe Root is not fit to lace Kane Williamson’s boots” :91:
 
shamaan said:
He only has 1 hundred in the last 6 Innings all the rest have been under 20.He also averages less than 30 in India so yes he dropped based upon this and rightly justified.
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Rahul’s recent Test performances are not great either, and Gill is in tremendous form right now. There is no doubt he will do better than him. He is clearly a much a better player.

Not a justified decision and he will be back in the playing XI soon. History books will not remember KL Rahul but it will remember Gill.
 
Mamoon said:
Naseem has a clownish average against the top sides. Rauf will only play 1 Test in his career where he got destroyed.

Both are facts. Your mental gymnastics and justifications do not interest me.

I forgot another gem though - “Joe Root is not fit to lace Kane Williamson’s boots” :91:
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Keep dredging up old things. Atleast I had the guts to own up to things I was wrong about. I'm not a gutless coward like you who goes into hiding when Naseem or Haris does well. And still sticks by his laughable statements even when everyone else laughs at them.
 
Brook is way ahead of anyone at the moment. I found Rishabh Pant very exciting to watch in test cricket, as a genuine fan of the sport, Harry Brook is another treat to the game.
 
In light of the Ashes and the West Indies series, it seems a lot of these players fans have been brought back to reality and their limitations being observed thoroughly.

Gill has a lot to prove and since the IPL it seems he has let the fame get to him. Forget about good oppositions, Gill has underperformed against the likes of West Indies! The same West Indies that many were calling Babar a minnow basher for absolutely decimating them back when he was Gill's age. There isn't one area it seems Gill lacks in but a multitude of issues from his outside edge, lack of ability to play spin and correct shot selecting when attacking. Gudakesh Motie seemed to have his number and he seemed to struggle to rotate strike against him. Unless the track is completely flat, Gill seems to struggle even with very mediocre attacks.

Harry Brook almost seemed to good to be true, his attacking brand of cricket and his average in Test was mind boggling but the cracks Harry's batting were coming out and we saw this in his lack of performance in the IPL and the ordinary method he plays spin as well as his very average Ashes where his performance could of made the difference. For someone who was touted as being better than Root, we sure did see how that was untrue with the likes of Crawley, Root and Stokes all out scoring him in the Ashes. He didn't do poorly but he also didn't do well with his only game winning innings in the 3rd Test being tarnished by the fact he lost his wicket with 21 runs to get and 3 wickets remaining. Overall, he reminded me a lot of Jonny Bairstow than Root this Ashes, someone that could play a great innings and change the game, but lack the temperament and game awareness to succeed and finish things off.
 
A few personal observations

1. Brook - Primarily closed off and side on stance and gets that short front and across stride in and holds his bat in a completely unweighted manner that allows maximum bat speed. Can play the stumps line, hit spin and anything wide of offstump. But will struggle against good channel bowling especially on wickets with bounce. He had troubles with Cummins even in this Ashes. Cummins and Hazlewood were definitely not at their fastest or most accurate.

2. Finn Allen - He's actually not that bad even technically. Shaheen got him out with a fast inswinger . But Finn had opened his stance up but that bat downswing was coming down straight instead of coming down at an angle.

3. Shubman Gill - Back foot goes across but that front foot is a little too static and sometimes too side on. Indian batsmen generally prefer to stay more side-on early in the innings(only open up their stances at the death for power hitting) . This makes us extra vulnerable to left arm swing. They should either open up their stances and look to attack the bowlers or come down the pitch to negate the swing or take a leg stump/slighty outside leg stump guard. My fear is that Gill will not do any of that decisively enough just like KL and the rest.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
A few personal observations

1. Brook - Primarily closed off and side on stance and gets that short front and across stride in and holds his bat in a completely unweighted manner that allows maximum bat speed. Can play the stumps line, hit spin and anything wide of offstump. But will struggle against good channel bowling especially on wickets with bounce. He had troubles with Cummins even in this Ashes. Cummins and Hazlewood were definitely not at their fastest or most accurate.

2. Finn Allen - He's actually not that bad even technically. Shaheen got him out with a fast inswinger . But Finn had opened his stance up but that bat downswing was coming down straight instead of coming down at an angle.

3. Shubman Gill - Back foot goes across but that front foot is a little too static and sometimes too side on. Indian batsmen generally prefer to stay more side-on early in the innings(only open up their stances at the death for power hitting) . This makes us extra vulnerable to left arm swing. They should either open up their stances and look to attack the bowlers or come down the pitch to negate the swing or take a leg stump/slighty outside leg stump guard. My fear is that Gill will not do any of that decisively enough just like KL and the rest.
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Fin Allen is Shaheen Parwaz personified
 
Gill had a terrible WI tour. His success rate was 1 in 4 innings. A forgettable tour. On the contrary, Jaiswal out batted him completely.
 
Scandalous!' - Yorkshire CCC ready to offer Harry Brook solace after World Cup axe.

Ottis Gibson, the Yorkshire head coach, has described Harry Brook’s omission from England’s World Cup squad as “scandalous” and said the door is “wide open” for him if he wants to “find comfort” by turning out for Yorkshire.

Gibson has criticised the decision to leave out the 24-year-old batsman for the competition that begins in India in October.

Yorkshire have four games left in the County Championship and although they can no longer win promotion due to the points deductions arising from the racism saga, Gibson said that he would love to have Brook available.

Brook could not play in the first of those games - against Derbyshire at Scarborough from September 3 - as it clashes with the T20 series against New Zealand for which he has been picked.

However, he would theoretically be available for the fixtures at Glamorgan (Sep 10-13), at Leicestershire (Sep 19-22) and at home to Worcestershire (Sep 26-29) - although Brook could yet be called into the World Cup squad as one of three travelling reserves, with squads not having to be finalised until September 28.

“I haven’t had that conversation with ‘Brooky’ or the ECB (England and Wales Cricket Board),” said Gibson of the current state of play. “He’s obviously a quality player and we would love to have him.

“If he’s keen to play for us then, of course, the door is wide open for him to come and have a play, have a game with his mates, and try and find some comfort; there’s always comfort in our dressing room for a player like him.

“To think that he’s not in the World Cup squad is scandalous in my opinion. I’m sure he’ll be very disappointed but, at the same time, this is international sport, this is sport at the highest level, and these decisions are taken out of your hands and you just have to get on with it, so to speak.

"But it’s very surprising that he’s not in the World Cup squad.”

Brook, who is currently at the Hundred, said on Friday that he was “trying not to think about it anymore” after he was left out in place of Ben Stokes following the Test captain’s decision to reverse his one-day international retirement.

“He (Stokes) is one of the best players to ever play cricket, so I can’t really complain, can I?” Brook mused.
 
Brook on fire once again.

So good to watch and incredible that he might not be included in England's World Cup squad.
 
Shubman Gill is a best of the lot, he has variety of shots in his books.

Most importantly he is technicaly so sound!
 
At the moment Shubhman Gill looks like the best of these three and we all saw his batting class what in the Asia Cup.
 
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