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50 wickets in the first 24 games and just 33 more in the next 30 games. It is a cause of concern and he's bowled poorly once again today
 
I said it before and I’ll say it again, Hassan Ali isn’t our new ball bowler, he’s our best old ball bowler in LOI, sadly Pakistan’s pace bowling factory has closed and now we’re watching bowlers bowl in situations that aren’t suited to them.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
I said it before and I’ll say it again, Hassan Ali isn’t our new ball bowler, he’s our best old ball bowler in LOI, sadly Pakistan’s pace bowling factory has closed and now we’re watching bowlers bowl in situations that aren’t suited to them.
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I think after today we won't see Hasan Ali take the new ball again, but I don't see Rauf or Hasnain being an improvement.

It's a shame Imad isn't in the squad, he is probably one of the best new ball options we have.
 
He just needs to tap into his aggressive-self.

On that note, I'm not sure why our bowlers (especially Shaheen and Rauf) don't show the same level of aggression and tenacity in International games as they do in the PSL. If anything, you should raise your ferocity up a notch when playing Intl.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
I said it before and I’ll say it again, Hassan Ali isn’t our new ball bowler, he’s our best old ball bowler in LOI, sadly Pakistan’s pace bowling factory has closed and now we’re watching bowlers bowl in situations that aren’t suited to them.
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This is just pure incompetency of Waqar the bowling coach. If us fans can see that Hassan's strength lies with old ball, why can't waqar see that?

I recall, Umar Gul being a destructive old ball bowler. However during Waqar's coaching I remember that Umar Gul kept bowling with new ball and getting hammered. When is Waqar going to wake up?
 
In one day cricket Hasnain is miles ahead of the rest. He has the pace and stamina as well as the right line and length for 50 overs.

I would include him over Haris or even Faheem. Even Qadir for Faheem could be wise choice.

Hopefully safraz will bat at 5 instead of Saud shakeel.
 
Yes its a concern but considering the his overall recent form in tests post injury gives hope that he should soon be able to find his control in ODIs.

Also not to forget bowling with the new ball isn’t something he has done much at international level so controlling the early movement and getting the lengths right is still a work in progress. Not many better options available as well with the new ball so Hassan will have to develop in the role to give team some options.
 
Titan24 said:
Yes its a concern but considering the his overall recent form in tests post injury gives hope that he should soon be able to find his control in ODIs.

Also not to forget bowling with the new ball isn’t something he has done much at international level so controlling the early movement and getting the lengths right is still a work in progress. Not many better options available as well with the new ball so Hassan will have to develop in the role to give team some options.
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Hasnain is a better shout to pair with Shaheen.

It allows Hasan to bowl where he's comfortable.

We should adopt a 4 pacer strategy with Shaheen, Hasan, Hasnain, and Haris.

Shaheen and Hasnain to bowl with the new ball, whereas Haris and Hasan for the middle overs.
 
hitthestump said:
I think after today we won't see Hasan Ali take the new ball again, but I don't see Rauf or Hasnain being an improvement.

It's a shame Imad isn't in the squad, he is probably one of the best new ball options we have.
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It’s not the first time we’ve seen Hassan Ali bowl with the new ball for Pakistan, and with this clueless management it probably won’t be the last time.

Surely Babar can see it? Or maybe Hassan Ali does want to be the new ball bowler, maybe [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] could find out?



ahmedzee said:
This is just pure incompetency of Waqar the bowling coach. If us fans can see that Hassan's strength lies with old ball, why can't waqar see that?

I recall, Umar Gul being a destructive old ball bowler. However during Waqar's coaching I remember that Umar Gul kept bowling with new ball and getting hammered. When is Waqar going to wake up?
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Not just Waqar Younis, but what are our Team Analysts doing? Surely they see the stats and that Hassan Ali isn’t doing well with the new ball? And, if Waqar and Misbah choose to ignore the team analysts then why have them in the first place? These guys have played cricket at the top level, they’re supposed to hold more knowledge than us fans, but it always seems to be the opposite.

There’s so many things wrong with the team and the management, it’s sad that we’ll see players like Hassan Ali and Babar at their peaks being coached by clueless idiots.
 
ahmedzee said:
This is just pure incompetency of Waqar the bowling coach. If us fans can see that Hassan's strength lies with old ball, why can't waqar see that?

I recall, Umar Gul being a destructive old ball bowler. However during Waqar's coaching I remember that Umar Gul kept bowling with new ball and getting hammered. When is Waqar going to wake up?
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The broad consensus is that all of Waqar's coaching stints have been failures so i don't think there's anything to wake up to. What has he done with Pakistan's current crop of pacers?

1. Hassan was brilliant in domestics but hasn't improved at all since linking up with Waqar.

2. Shaheen might have ok stats, but despite years with Waqar he has never managed to look as brilliant as the reserve Mahmood did today.

3. Rauf has been around Waqar for years and remains a harmless rock thrower.

How Waqar still has a role is anyone's guess.
 
Maher96 said:
In one day cricket Hasnain is miles ahead of the rest. He has the pace and stamina as well as the right line and length for 50 overs.

I would include him over Haris or even Faheem. Even Qadir for Faheem could be wise choice.

Hopefully safraz will bat at 5 instead of Saud shakeel.
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As a pure batsman? Surely not. Saud is not just some random talent. If he's invested in properly, we'll definitely have another player of WC caliber at 4 in ODIs and at 3 in the Tests.
 
hitthestump said:
I think after today we won't see Hasan Ali take the new ball again, but I don't see Rauf or Hasnain being an improvement.

It's a shame Imad isn't in the squad, he is probably one of the best new ball options we have.
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Really never thought a day will come when a darter will become our best new ball option
 
Hasan also adds a lot of value as a pinch hitter who can really propel the team score at the death. Amazing middle overs bowler and can really support Shaheen well. Should be a must in all our games.
 
He hasn’t been the same after Rohit and Dhawan humiliated him in the Asia Cup. That was embarrassing.

He did his stupid celebration at the border which was very disrespectful and then he claimed that he would try to take all 10 wickets vs India.

However, he got a brutal reality-check when he got smashed and was treated like a club bowler.

Indian fans were trolling him when he was fielding on the boundary which added insult to injury.
 
Hasan always struggles with new ball.I don't understand why that genius management trying to make him a new ball bowler when he clearly is not a new ball bowler.
Misbah will keep destroying pakistan cricket.
 
Brilliant from Hassan - the setup of Malan and then the execution
 
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Ali is a good bowler with potential clearly but in the longer forms he needs to be a lot more disciplined with his line and length, he did well to pick the wicket here but then got carried away searching for more and got smashed a bit, the economy is very poor.
 
Hassan Ali taking on England single-handedly now

Brilliant bowling.

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He easily gets into our limited overs teams. He has pedigree and can score some useful runs
 
Our best middle overs bowler. Not our best new ball bowler. Hopefully we can find someone who can pair with Shaheen. Hassan Ali coming on fresh when the opposition is 2-3 down makes him the most lethal bowler in the world.
 
Hasan Ali is boom or bust, either he will get you a 3-5 wicket haul or go for plenty, nothing consistent or reliable in between
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hassan Ali has got Ben Stokes out 6 times across all formats. The only pace bowler to have dismissed Stokes more times than Hassan is Rabada (7) <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a> <a href="https://t.co/hjUfpK8qDT">pic.twitter.com/hjUfpK8qDT</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1413854745807237123?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 10, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Hassan has got past performances to prove his worth. Was a really threatening bowler before his injury.

Since his comeback he has performed well enough to warrant a place. Credit to him for putting in all the effort.

There are bigger issues in the team, outside of Hassan.
 
Overall Hasan Ali has been superb since his come back from injury
 
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Imagine celebrating against a C team. For shame
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I think people need to keep in mind that England's main squad is absurdly good and by far the best ODI batting lineup of all time. Clearly the guys behind them are quite good too who can't crack the A squad because their main squad is absolutely ridiculous.

Also, shaming a player for being happy and taking International wickets after bowling well. Pretty sure that comment is for shame.
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
Imagine celebrating against a C team. For shame
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He is playing international cricket, representing his country. Like any international cricketer he should be keeping his full intensity in every match.

Scorecard reads Pak vs Eng. There is no ABC involved and thats how its gonna be in the records book as well.
 
He bowled well with new ball today but he should always bowl with old ball.

He will always be very useful in middle overs.He deserved that fifer.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some of Hassan Ali's figures since his return from injury:<br><br>5/54 Test<br>5/60 Test<br>4/18 T20I<br>5/36 Test<br>4/53 Test<br>5/27 Test<br>5/51 ODI<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/2C4Ttfr11H">pic.twitter.com/2C4Ttfr11H</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1413878326045954052?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 10, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Mamoon said:
He hasn’t been the same after Rohit and Dhawan humiliated him in the Asia Cup. That was embarrassing.

He did his stupid celebration at the border which was very disrespectful and then he claimed that he would try to take all 10 wickets vs India.

However, he got a brutal reality-check when he got smashed and was treated like a club bowler.

Indian fans were trolling him when he was fielding on the boundary which added insult to injury.
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😂 It will always be about Sharma, Dhawan, Wagah border for you. You literally have nothing else to add
 
Hassan Ali's 5-51 are the best figures by a Pakistani bowler in a ODI against England at Lord's


Best figures by Pakistani bowlers in ODIs at Lord's:

6/35 Shaheen Afridi v Bangladesh in 2019

5/51 Hassan Ali v England today

4/28 Shoaib Akhtar v England in 2006

4/32 Umar Gul v England in 2010
 
Saj said:
Hassan Ali's 5-51 are the best figures by a Pakistani bowler in a ODI against England at Lord's


Best figures by Pakistani bowlers in ODIs at Lord's:

6/35 Shaheen Afridi v Bangladesh in 2019

5/51 Hassan Ali v England today

4/28 Shoaib Akhtar v England in 2006

4/32 Umar Gul v England in 2010
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The 4 fer by Shoaib was him schooling English batters.

That Umar Gul performance came on that spot fixing tour, England were 120-0 in 20 overs chasing 240 odd and then Gul turned the game on its head.
 
Mamoon said:
He hasn’t been the same after Rohit and Dhawan humiliated him in the Asia Cup. That was embarrassing.

He did his stupid celebration at the border which was very disrespectful and then he claimed that he would try to take all 10 wickets vs India.

However, he got a brutal reality-check when he got smashed and was treated like a club bowler.

Indian fans were trolling him when he was fielding on the boundary which added insult to injury.
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Not the first time for a bowler to get carted around after being overconfident, nor will be the last. The strong comeback shows his character which is an admirable thing. He is looking really good and delivering the goods for Pakistan. Plus getting smashed around by a batter like Rohit isn't a humiliation.
 
He is so unlikable.

Bad attitude, celebrates wickets of every Tom, Dick and Harry as if he has performed a miracle. That stupid generator celebration is so cringe-worthy.

Acts like a bully against domestic players but turned into a kitten against the Indian batsmen in the Asia Cup and the World Cup.

Unfortunately, we have hit the bottom of the barrel so he is an automatic choice at this point.
 
Mamoon said:
He is so unlikable.

Bad attitude, celebrates wickets of every Tom, Dick and Harry as if he has performed a miracle. That stupid generator celebration is so cringe-worthy.

Acts like a bully against domestic players but turned into a kitten against the Indian batsmen in the Asia Cup and the World Cup.

Unfortunately, we have hit the bottom of the barrel so he is an automatic choice at this point.
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That stupid celebration is gonna injure him again sooner or later and if you watch the highlights of todays match I was surprised at how Salt and Vince were smashing him to all the corners.
 
Mamoon said:
He is so unlikable.

Bad attitude, celebrates wickets of every Tom, Dick and Harry as if he has performed a miracle. That stupid generator celebration is so cringe-worthy.

Acts like a bully against domestic players but turned into a kitten against the Indian batsmen in the Asia Cup and the World Cup.

Unfortunately, we have hit the bottom of the barrel so he is an automatic choice at this point.
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Ironic your like for Archer but hate for Hassan for a similar thing. And before you say ‘Archer is the only player to be fast tracked etc’, Hassan has outperformed him over a more consistent period of time.

And his attitude is way better than Archers who is the most entitled moody brat.
 
His over the top celebrations make him look stupid when his team are getting humiliated.
 
Forum363 said:
Ironic your like for Archer but hate for Hassan for a similar thing. And before you say ‘Archer is the only player to be fast tracked etc’, Hassan has outperformed him over a more consistent period of time.

And his attitude is way better than Archers who is the most entitled moody brat.
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We can talk about geology and you will still somehow divert the topic to Archer. It appears that Archer winning the World Cup for England has had a deep psychological impact on you.
 
Mamoon said:
We can talk about geology and you will still somehow divert the topic to Archer. It appears that Archer winning the World Cup for England has had a deep psychological impact on you.
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Well I like to call out double standards where I see them.

LOL Archer winning the World Cup for England… because Stokes Morgan butler et all were there for moral support.

Like I said, Archer had a good tournament and one great test match. Since then he’s been getting ‘humbled’ all over the place yet you don’t call it out like Hasan’s performance in the Asia cup.
 
Snatch said:
His over the top celebrations make him look stupid when his team are getting humiliated.
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Yes … he shouldn’t celebrate his wickets because he knows his team mates will collapse like idiots later in the match.. amazing logic.
 
Get 5 wickets. Get criticized.

Get 0 wickets. Get criticized.

People get what they deserve.
 
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Forum363 said:
Yes … he shouldn’t celebrate his wickets because he knows his team mates will collapse like idiots later in the match.. amazing logic.
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Yeah, because normal celebration of wickets & Ali's over-the-top malarkey are the same thing. Great logic yourself in not spotting the difference from my previous statement.
 
Shoaib Akhtar has gone one step ahead and said Hassan Ali should be captain

"I would have played him [Babar Azam] as a batsman. If I had to select a captain from this team, it would have been Hasan Ali as he has the spark and intelligence. My approach is completely different, I would have made Babar a great batsman and put pressure on him to play a certain type of innings so that the entire Pakistan team plays around him,”
 
MenInG said:
Shoaib Akhtar has gone one step ahead and said Hassan Ali should be captain

"I would have played him [Babar Azam] as a batsman. If I had to select a captain from this team, it would have been Hasan Ali as he has the spark and intelligence. My approach is completely different, I would have made Babar a great batsman and put pressure on him to play a certain type of innings so that the entire Pakistan team plays around him,”
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He is smoking some serious crack. One defeat and all emotions have come out. Hasan Ali is not suited to the captaincy role at present.
 
MenInG said:
Shoaib Akhtar has gone one step ahead and said Hassan Ali should be captain

"I would have played him [Babar Azam] as a batsman. If I had to select a captain from this team, it would have been Hasan Ali as he has the spark and intelligence. My approach is completely different, I would have made Babar a great batsman and put pressure on him to play a certain type of innings so that the entire Pakistan team plays around him,”
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Do we still take anything Shoaib Akthar says seriously? :)) He's funny to listen to but that's about all
 
He bowled really well, good for him! Need him to bowl like that again if we are to have a chance at beating England in the last ODI here.

He had a horrible 2019 averaging 90 at an economy rate of 6.60 in 12 matches. At the time I criticized him as well because we needed him to step up for the World Cup, but apart from that one horrendous year he's been very good. If you exclude 2019 he averages 23.7 in ODI's with 81 wickets in 44 matches.
 
He works hard, performs consistently and most importantly enjoys whether you put ball or bat in his hands.

A very underrated player. I pray he remains healthy and injury free.
 
Hasan ali is our best bowler and player he is our genuine all-rounder.

People just hate to admit it

Hasan ali is our only player who is capable performing and carrying out a match winning performance .

If anything its shaheen who people need to question because I see no development in his bowling when is he gonna go to the next level .
 
Titan24 said:
He is playing international cricket, representing his country. Like any international cricketer he should be keeping his full intensity in every match.

Scorecard reads Pak vs Eng. There is no ABC involved and thats how its gonna be in the records book as well.
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Bro why do you become so defensive whenever someone criticises anything related to Pakistan cricket?

Are you the PCB spokesperson or something?
 
topspin said:
Bro why do you become so defensive whenever someone criticises anything related to Pakistan cricket?

Are you the PCB spokesperson or something?
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Bro I say things as I see them and I try to go by logic, facts and stats.

However, I am always open to change, to alter my stance if someone can bring in valid points rather than emotions, personal likes and dislikes into discussion.

Sharing your opinion or saying things which one feels is right doesnt mean someone is a spokesperson. Lol! I have criticized number of decisions and selections as well multiple times but, dont usually do them for the sake of it.

Please feel free to call out any thing from my post which you tagged and think is factually incorrect or doesn't seem logical. If anything doesnt fall in that criteria then those are just opinions which can be subjective and thus can vary from person to person.
 
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QalandarFan said:
He bowled really well, good for him! Need him to bowl like that again if we are to have a chance at beating England in the last ODI here.

He had a horrible 2019 averaging 90 at an economy rate of 6.60 in 12 matches. At the time I criticized him as well because we needed him to step up for the World Cup, but apart from that one horrendous year he's been very good. If you exclude 2019 he averages 23.7 in ODI's with 81 wickets in 44 matches.
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He was coming off a back injury.. hassan gets undue hate because of his off field antics..
 
Mamoon said:
He is so unlikable.

Bad attitude, celebrates wickets of every Tom, Dick and Harry as if he has performed a miracle. That stupid generator celebration is so cringe-worthy.

Acts like a bully against domestic players but turned into a kitten against the Indian batsmen in the Asia Cup and the World Cup.

Unfortunately, we have hit the bottom of the barrel so he is an automatic choice at this point.
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Hes not there to be liked... hes there to perform. You cant have double standards when you like kohli or archer or any other player that has a bad attitude.. kohli literally celebrates everything.. lmao

Hes our best allrounder in odis. Should not be opening the bowling tho..
 
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