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[VIDEOS] Slump deepens for England in ODIs: Crisis or just a rough patch?

The format has become a dud now with all the major players either retiring from it or withdrawing from tournaments. The format should disband and combine with T20 to make something like T30 one format for LOI.
 
Tbh Australia's luck is going to run out against a quality bowling side. They chased 300 plus against a variety less English bowling attack. Australia will struggle to chase 300 plus against India's bowling line up.
Indian bowling line up is average. Neither Rana nor Arshdeep have any kind of experience in ODIs. Mo Shami should retire from this format. His body has given up. He is trying to push himself. He will only aggravate the injury and he will put his Test career in jeopardy. Possibly IPL career too
 
Indian bowling line up is average. Neither Rana nor Arshdeep have any kind of experience in ODIs. Mo Shami should retire from this format. His body has given up. He is trying to push himself. He will only aggravate the injury and he will put his Test career in jeopardy. Possibly IPL career too

I disagree. India's bowling line up is very disciplined. Even if they dont have talent, they do the basics well and bowl with discipline i.e. bowl to their fields, land the ball six times out of six in the same spot, bowl with control and variations at the death unlike the so called talented Pakistani bowlers who run it without a plan and concede 70-80 runs in every ODI game.
 
England needs to fine tune their approach. You cant score 300 plus in 3 consecutive games and be a poor team. Yeah some deadwood in the team. Aome common sense needed in both batting and bowling.
Think the biggest problem is Butlers defensive reactive captaincy even though he is one of fave batter to watch. Disastrous as captain though. Monotonous run of the mill captaincy with no plan B or out of the box approach. But this will be a wake up call and they will come back better
 
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England are a profoundly irritating side with all the bumph about not caring about results, we are here to entertain etc.
That arrogance seeped from the Test arena to the ODI side — when they lost the ODI series before the CT they said it doesn’t matter, it’s the CT that counts.

They, Bazball and their arrogant attitude has been royally shown up for what it was — a fraud.
Middle ranking in the World Test Championship and bundled out of successive ICC ODI tournaments.

All fans are the same …. Results do matter and winning is the objective
 
This is a very disheartening slump for England's ODI team

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England's 2025 campaign has been a horror show. While no one expected England to win based of their performance against India in the recently concluded the odi and t20 series. I don't think anyone expected them to get clobbered so brutally against Aus, Sa, and Afghanistan.

At the time of writing, Sa has yet to bat, but I'm 100% sure SA will win and England will end their campaign on a 3-0 loss streak.

These guys have lost 18 out 25 odi games so far, make that 19 out of 26 soon. But why?

Has the talent pool dried up? Are they heading into a decline similar to WI and Sri Lanka? Or is it just a temporary phase?
 
Michael Atherton, while speaking to broadcasters:

"They have [saved the worst until last]. A dreadful performance just symptomatic of a team whose confidence has drained away when you think of the defeats they've suffered not just in this tournament but going back to the India Tour and then over a period of time. What is it? Eighteen out of the last twenty-five games in ODI's. Eventually that confidence just dissipates and that was reflected in that performance today."

"Just not enough batters in form. Root and Duckett have been in pretty good touch in this tournament but who else has been in decent touch? Nobody really."
 
In the past two years, England have gone at 5.7 RPO in Powerplay One (the most expensive in the world) and have taken their wickets at an average of 36.15 in this phase. Only three sides—Zimbabwe, Ireland, and the UAE—have a worse record.
 
England's emphasis on a batting-heavy approach has weakened their bowling in the middle overs, and the impact is evident—they've averaged 93.00 in this phase during the tournament.

This is their second-worst figure in any series or tournament since records began, with the only worse performance being an average of 121.50 against the West Indies in November.
 
Michael Atherton, while speaking to broadcasters after the England-South Africa group stage match in the ICC Champions Trophy 2025:

"England left the worst until last. Even the cat's had enough," says Atherton. "That was a shocking performance from a team that was lacking in any kind of confidence now. England have been on a roll for a while in ODI cricket and it's very hard to turn it around."

"This has been their third shocking tournament in a row, but they don't play now for a while. It's time for a reset."
 
Indian bowling line up is average. Neither Rana nor Arshdeep have any kind of experience in ODIs. Mo Shami should retire from this format. His body has given up. He is trying to push himself. He will only aggravate the injury and he will put his Test career in jeopardy. Possibly IPL career too
Why did they drop Siraj? He was taking fifers not too long ago?
 
Ravi Ashwin while speaking on his YouTube channel:

"There is no consistent template in your batting. You were marketing and branding Harry Brook as the next generation sensation. But Harry Brook's game is also sinking. He is now under immense pressure to produce match-winning knocks."

"It reflects their mindset. Is it so easy to go to a major competition and win the final?"

"I saw Jos Buttler's post-match interview (after losing to Afghanistan). He was very candid in saying, 'I do not know what my leadership aspirations are in the future'."

"England, I still feel, treats sub-continental tours just as a tick box. Has the time come for England to really dig in and think about it."

"What's happened with England in this Bazball generation is something that they have to retrospect."
 
Brendon McCullum- England post-match press conference, 1 March '25 shared following thoughts on England's recent slump and more:

[Reporter:]

Hi Brendon, how do you assess that performance? Obviously pretty poor.

[Brendon McCullum:]

We weren't good enough across, obviously very disappointed. We had high hopes of being able to finish the tournament with a bit of a bang, but we're very poor and we've got a lot of work to do. We'll put our thinking caps on over the next few weeks and start to try and navigate our way through what an improvement looks like across our white ball cricket and make sure we try and be pretty thorough with that and work out a way that we can get ourselves back to where we should be.

[Reporter:]

There's a bit of a baptism of fire going, coming to travel to India, coming to here as well, I guess the only way is up for the white ball teams.

[Brendon McCullum:]

Yeah, it is. It's definitely the only way up and that's the attitude you've got to have, right? I felt India was actually really good preparation for us, even though we obviously got beaten quite comfortably there. I thought that was as good a preparation as you could have coming into a major tournament and obviously we had our chance in those first couple but what we saw tonight was probably an example of why we're out of the tournament. We weren't able to withstand the pressure when it was applied and we weren't able to navigate our way through and I guess again I said to you yesterday that I felt that we lacked confidence and I thought today was another example of that. And we're going to find out pretty quickly ways to be able to make sure that our team walks out there a lot more confident than what we are at the moment.

[Reporter:]

Have you got a sense of what Jos has been like in the last 24 hours? Has the Captaincy been a freeing experience for him or have you not got that sense whatsoever?

[Brendon McCullum:]

I think we saw yesterday, he mentioned that he was really sad about leaving the post and that's natural right? He cared so much about it and he admittedly said that he wasn't able to get the best out of the guys at this stage. I thought it was a brave decision to make and it gives us now an opportunity to be able to start to plot and plan our way forward, knowing that at some stage we'll have to obviously choose a new captain and then work out ways to be able to ensure that the style of cricket that suits them best is also going to give us our greatest chance. We still see Jos as obviously a big player within that and he's got a huge role to play, but it will be an exciting time for a new captain to try and put their stamp on it.

[Reporter:]

Just lastly, what's next on the agenda for you?

[Brendon McCullum:]

Well, I'll get home in the next couple of days and then start to think about, and start having some conversations with Rob Key and the guys at the ECB about who is the right person for us to put in that position of white ball captain and then what do they need and how do we start to learn some of the lessons that we've been dealt on this tour and in this tournament to ensure that we're a lot more competitive than what we've been.

[Reporter:]

There's obviously a greater alignment in this white ball setup and the test setup since you've taken over. How do you ensure this winter you've had in white ball cricket and the negativity I guess it's bred doesn't bleed into that huge test summer?

[Brendon McCullum:]

Yeah, look, obviously, I think you guys know me well enough. I'm a very positive person and I like to try and create a positive environment. There is obviously a fair bit of alignment across those set-ups now, but at the same time there's some guys who have been very successful in test cricket in the last little while and I'd say the confidence levels of that unit are very high and the ability to execute the game plan we want to and the style of cricket that we want to. And obviously we've had a bit of success as well, albeit not quite at the level we want. I think we're a little further down the road with that. And I think we're big enough to work out that this is a slightly different task and we're going to try and ensure we put some the plans in place for this style of cricket and the demands of white ball cricket and try and separate them as best you can but I guess that comes down to your skills of your leaders and how calm they can remain under pressure and still keep trying to drive the team forward across all the different forms of the game.

[Reporter:]

How big a role does Ben Stokes have in maybe picking up a couple of players I'm thinking Jamie Smith, Harry Brook in terms of that test summer at the start of that test summer so the form the past few weeks doesn't affect them?

[Brendon McCullum:]

Well, you know what Stokes is like. He's uber confident all the time, and he's a great manager and a guy who gets the very best out of those guys around him. Harry Brook and Jamie Smith have been outstanding in Test cricket to date. They've had a bit of a tough month with the bat over here but they wouldn't be the first people to go through a bit of a tough period over a month or so. For them it's a matter of making sure that they learn the lessons of what's unfolded over here and also then sort of try and keep improving their games but also not let the confidence levels drop too low. But we've seen how good they've been in Test cricket and I'm sure they'll be very good in white ball cricket in time to come once we work through it a bit.

[Reporter:]

Will you consider two white ball captains? Is that possible? Like one for the T20 team and one for the 50-odd team? Or do you think it needs to be one white ball captain?

[Brendon McCullum:]

Again, sort of work it out over the next few weeks. Sort of make sure we have a good look at how the structure looks, how things are placed, and what each side needs. And if it's the same person, then great. If it's two different people, then great too. We'll spend a little bit of time, give me a couple of weeks to sort of work it out and then hopefully we'll have something for you and then we'll try and get this thing back on track.

[Reporter:]

One of your first sort of things you did when you took over the job was to bring a lot of the test players in team if you go with Ben Duckett and Jamie Smith as two examples, do you think that is the right way forward?

[Brendon McCullum:]

Look I think to me the best cricketers are your best cricketers and they're adaptable across formats. Obviously, there's some guys who do fit into different forms of the game a little easier, I guess. I look at Ben Duckett and I look at Joe Root, two guys who hadn't played of late a lot of white ball cricket and they've been our best batters out here in this competition. So, they're obviously locks when it comes to test cricket. I think it's not one rule fits all. Our game plan here was to try and bring fast bowling over here and to try and stock our batting and give ourselves that sort of conviction and that method, and we may not have got it totally right, and you've got to have conviction in something, and we went for that option this time, and on another tournament we get across the line those first two games, and that strategy worked, but on this occasion we weren't quite able to do what we wanted to. And I guess sometimes when you, you always hope you've crossed your entire team, everyone's performing, but sometimes guys are a little bit low on confidence and we don't necessarily get the output that we want and hence why you find yourself on the outside of the tournament. But look, there's so much work for us to do. I still have tremendous confidence in the talent that is across English cricket, not just in the dressing room now, but also guys that sit around the domestic scene at the moment and who have also played for England before and that gives you great confidence. It's just making sure that you get the right structure in place over the next little while to allow that to come out and give us a best chance to get back to where we want to be.

[Reporter:]

Could you, in theory, bring in a captain, a white ball captain who's not in the team at the moment maybe because they have qualities as a leader maybe I'm just thinking of Sam Billings or Sam Curran not in the squad at the moment but they have captaincy experience could you contemplate bringing someone in from outside of that sort?

[Brendon McCullum:]

Again Simon, give us a couple of weeks to work it all out and sort of digest what's happened over the last month and a half and then start to plot and plan our way forward from there.

[Reporter:]

Can you give us an appraisal of Jofra Archer's winter overall and on top of that, what the possible chances are of pulling the trigger on a test return this summer?

[Brendon McCullum:]

Yeah, I think if we look at Joff, he's been out of competitive cricket for a couple of years, right? And I think it's taken probably just a little bit of time to get that rhythm of gameplay back but I think he's been really good. He's bowled high pace, he's played a lot of cricket, he's been able to get significant workload under his belt throughout this time and we've seen moments of how great Jofra is, even tonight a couple of wickets he took the other night against Afghanistan 3 with the new ball. We know how great a player Jofra is at the very top of his game and to have him back and to have him fit and excited about playing is a real win for English cricket. We've got to make sure that we're always doing the right thing by Joff as well and understanding the risks involved. But I'm pretty sure he's pretty keen to play test cricket and you look at someone like Joff and you look at where - if you can add him to the battery of fast bowlers you're trying to build that have only strengthened his squad. So, you know, we'll wait and see. But overall, I'm really pleased with where Joff's at and it's great to see him back playing and injury free at the moment.

[Reporter:]

For this summer coming?

[Brendon McCullum:]

I guess so, we'll find out I guess but in the other conversations again I'll sit down with some of the players after this and work out what their ambitions are over the next little while. And I would imagine that Joff would be keen to play Test Creek this summer, yeah.

[Reporter:]

What's your quick assessment of the performance of the English team?

Do you think it's a case of a change in approach, needing to change the approach, and same set of players can produce output with a change of approach, or has it reached to a point where you would need a change of personnel, change of resources?

[Brendon McCullum:]

Well, I think I kind of answered that a little bit before, we're disappointed with how we performed in this tournament and we've got to put our hands up and acknowledge that it wasn't good enough and that's okay in sport, you don't get to be upset if you haven't played well. You want to be in the situation of playing international cricket and reps in your country and playing in front of the fans all around the world. Sometimes it doesn't work out and you've just got to wear that as best you can and try and keep moving forward and improving and try and, I guess, contribute to the team. From our point of view, we've obviously now got a structural change which is going to take place with a new captain coming in, and then with that they'll bring some of their own ideas and want to stamp their own style on things. So, there'll be a natural evolution of the team anyway. But the guys that are in that dressing room are very good cricketers. There's very good cricketers throughout England. And it's a matter for us as coaches and leaders to try and get the best out of that and to try and bring the right combination of players together for the task at hand. And that's what's in front of us over the next little while, which is exciting, by the way. Life's always more fun when you've got a move to make, and we've got a move to make over the next little while.
 
They are saying Playing ODI like T20 is why they fail. WHy did they fail in world T20 then? They played like T10 there? It is all nonsense. Jason Roy and Bairstow batted more aggressively as well.
 
7 Consecutive ODI defeats for England. It is their joint-second-longest losing streak in men's ODIs, behind their 11 successive defeats over 2000 and 2001.

England won only 18 out of 45 ODIs under Buttler. Buttler won only three out of 12 matches as captain across the ODI World Cup and Champions Trophy.
 

NASSER HUSSAIN: Going harder with the bat is not the answer to England's problems, a cultural overhaul is required to fix this mess - and why it's a weak excuse for Harry Brook to say he's learning on his feet

Back in 1999 when I was appointed England captain, we had hit rock bottom in the Test rankings after underperforming for a very long time.

Duncan Fletcher, the new coach, turned to me and said: 'You're not the best side in the world, but you shouldn't be the worst side, either.'

Now England have slipped down to seventh in the one-day rankings, I would be repeating Duncan's words to them.
As their now ex-captain Jos Buttler said there's a lot of talent in that dressing room, so why have they slipped so low?
Back then, we needed a bit of a kick up the backside; we needed consistency in selection; central contracts to come in to allow us to rest our fast bowlers; to make playing for England more important than just turning out for your county.
The details are slightly different this time, but similar cultural change is required.

Primarily what's needed is a very strong relationship between captain and coach. Myself and Duncan had never met before, but clicked immediately. He told me he wanted my loyalty and that meant never contradicting each other in front of people. Brendon McCullum and Ben Stokes are always on the same page with England's current Test team.
However, I do think whoever comes in as England's new limited-overs captain has a right to ask a lot of questions behind closed doors.
How will England going to play 50-over cricket going forward? Is it just seen as an extension of 20-over cricket? Because every time England are bowled out - across any format - I just hear: 'We didn't go hard enough.'

As a captain, I'd be having a word with McCullum, making the point that cannot always be the answer. Sometimes, you just need to be smarter. Afghanistan were 37 for three, took stock and ended up getting 325 on the board against England - a score they could defend. England were 37 for three against South Africa on Saturday, continued to go hard - and were bowled out for 179.

I would drag Phil Salt, Liam Livingstone and Harry Brook across and tell them that talent is about winning games, not playing the best shot of the day.

Salt plays every innings like it's a Twenty20 match. Livingstone talks about taking responsibility when he's batted a bit higher up the order, but lower down always plays as if it's the last four overs. On Saturday, Brook was batting with England's finest player in Joe Root and needed to take the innings deep.

Brook could learn from Root in this regard, someone who looked at his game and took out high risk elements like the reverse scoop and played situations.

I like Brook but it's a bit of a weak excuse for him to say: I'm learning on my feet. Well, learn a bit quicker. It's not that difficult to comprehend that you've got 30 more overs to bat. Adapt your scoring tempo according to what the scoreboard tells you.

Any international batter should be able to do this and although I accept that up-and-coming English cricketers do need access to a better 50-over competition to prepare for future ICC tournaments, these current England players have been around a long time.

It's not that difficult to work out. You just have to bat a little bit longer, soak up pressure, realise there's an ebb and flow to the game.

How much domestic 50-over cricket did some of the best players in the world play? How much did David Warner play when he got into Australia's side? He got in on a diet of Twenty20. How much did Virat Kohli or Rohit Sharma play? How much did Jos Buttler play?

The legacy of Rob Key, England's director of cricket, and McCullum will be determined by what happens this year, including a home series against India and the Ashes - it is one that they have been planning for 12 months.

Equally, in the back of their mind has to be a Twenty20 World Cup next February in India and Sri Lanka and they need to identify the right captain to start a new journey in white-ball cricket.

They also need to work out who they are going to pick. I believe in consistency of selection, but this England regime seems reluctant to go back, as if picking someone they have previously dropped is an admission they got it wrong.

But it's not about saving face, it's about winning. Equally, it's about refining how you play when things don't work. It's not just about going harder with the bat and bowling with extreme pace. The game is a bit more subtle than that.
Psychologically, it is difficult when you are on a losing streak, but the major thing we did when our Test team bottomed out was pick on character.


There was some mental scarring in the dressing room and when we were 20 for two against Australia, people were thinking, 'here we go again'.Needing change, in came Marcus Trescothick and Michael Vaughan, to align with people already in the side. Michael Atherton and Alec Stewart were two completely different characters, but gave absolutely everything in every game of cricket, realising the importance of playing for England.

We needed to take role models like them with us and for me that is why Root has to keep on playing as much as possible.
When he was batting in the second game against Afghanistan, he wasn't batting for himself, nor the team, he was batting for his mate Buttler, trying to save his job.

Root has been there before, and when he sat down at the end, head in hands, it was almost to say 'sorry, I let you down.' when actually he'd done nothing of the sort. He very rarely, if ever, does.

There is an abundance of talent with him, but it's his character that England could learn from.
 
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They’ve over complicated the format & squad selection. You don’t need Jamie Smith in the XI with Phil Salt included. Players like Sam Hain should be looked at.

In conditions that are alien to this England team, you need proper batters alike Joe Root. Salt & Duckett opening is fine, with Root, Brooks & potentially Sam Hain in the middle is fine, but Root & Buttler are not getting younger.

Livingstone is somehow still in the ODI team, when someone like Will Jacks would be a better option & also a second spinner with Rashid like Rehan Ahmed.
 
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