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Who's the 4th bowler provided Ammad is 5th?
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Then what's the point of playing an allrounder if he's going to play as a bowler?
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Since you asked fifth bowler than you edited to make it 4th.
We need 5 bowlers in Tests in Australia, England, South Africa & New Zealand. If Hafeez is 6th bowler than its gold. But Hafeez as 5th bowler in these places won't be as useful or productive as a fast medium allrounder.
So best balance is 4 pacers out of whom one is a genuine allrounder and one who can bat like Amir of 2010 atleast and 1 spinner.
Hafeez cannot take 1 to 3 wickets every innings in these places while going at 2 to 2.5 runs an over.
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5 bowling Options.
Look at England. 4 quality pacers. 1 leaves the attack other comes in. Long Batting line up. This prevents injuries aswell with less workload and efficient management.
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Both Butt and Yamin were average on the Pakistan A tour.
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If Ammad plays at 8 then he's playing as a bowler not all-rounder unless you have Yamin playing as well?
Name your lineup.
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Really need either this kid or Yamin to add balance to the side. For tests I'd choose Amad as he is a better bowler and in this role, the players main job will be to bowl. Yamin is more of a batting all rounder while Amad seems to be more of a bowling all rounder.
We need to accommodate him into the team somehow. The only way I see this being possible is if Hafeez goesand we slot him at 6 or 7, depending on weather Sarfraz wants to come earlier or later. This also gives Shafiq a well earned promotion.
Sami
Azhar
Younis
Misbah
Shafiq
Sarfraz
Butt
the only problem with this is, I don't think Amad is that good of a bat. I haven't seen him bat enough to just know that, but going by stats he doesn't look to be that great. Although he does have a highest of 83* meaning he has the potential to score runs.
At the end of the day, just like Wasim said, he needs to be groomed well!
We need to accommodate him into the team somehow. The only way I see this being possible is if Hafeez goesand we slot him at 6 or 7, depending on weather Sarfraz wants to come earlier or later. This also gives Shafiq a well earned promotion.
Sami
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Sarfraz
Butt
the only problem with this is, I don't think Amad is that good of a bat. I haven't seen him bat enough to just know that, but going by stats he doesn't look to be that great. Although he does have a highest of 83* meaning he has the potential to score runs.
At the end of the day, just like Wasim said, he needs to be groomed well!
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You are not getting my point.
From where has Yamin come in the Test Line up ?
Amad and Yamin dont own Pakistan National team for them both to play in playing eleven or none to make it.
In Odis they can if we play Yamin at 6. Otherwise no chance.
I was referring to Amad at 8 ideally initially. But definitely As Allrounder and if we have 5 bowling options without Hafeez than Amad has to bat at 7. For that we have 4 options of dropping Hafeez, Asad, Azhar or Younis. But none of that is going to happen until younis retires or someone gets unfit.
But our team is not balanced with 4 bowlers.
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I understood you and your initial mistake which you just realized.
All you had to say was Hafeez is your 5th bowler if Ammad is at 8.
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No.
Hafeez shouldn't be 5th bowling option in tests in these 4 countries. Should be 6th.
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Yes, that's if Ammad bats at 7.
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We are carrying passengers on the team right now like Younis Khan and Mohammad Hafeez.
Both of them have to go. That would open up the window for Pakistan to draft in good allrounders like Amad Butt and Hasan.
Both of them have to go. That would open up the window for Pakistan to draft in good allrounders like Amad Butt and Hasan.
What would your 11 be for Australia tour?
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1. Hafeez
2. Sami
3. Azhar
4. Younis
5. Misbah
6. Asad
7. Sarfraz
8. Amad
9. Yasir
10. Amir
11. Asif
If Hafeez does not clear his bowling Action and does not score enough runs in next 3 tests (both of these things happening is a rare chance) than i would replace Hafeez with Jaahid or every one moves 1 place and Ali Imran or Hasan Ali come into playing eleven.
Similarly if Younis retires before Australian tour provided he does not perform in last 3 innings here or against Windies in UAE than too Asad can move to number 4 and Ali or Hasan could come into playing eleven.
With No Test hundred outside Asia for 6 years actually Azhar Ali was going to be dropped from playing eleven in Tests in Australia but thanks to Root and Moeen for dropping him at 38 and 62 He scored a test ton on Edgbaston so he has booked his Spot in playing eleven for Tests in Australia unless He fails to score 50 in his next 7 innings which is highly unlikely considering 4 innings will be against West Indies in UAE.
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After the retirement of younis and misbah and kicking out hafeez we should draft some of the all rounder in. Personally I hope Mickey Arthur make Azhar open which will solve a lot of our problems .
This will be my team
Sami
Azhar
Saud shakeel
Asad shafiq( if he is not performing then we should go with haris when fully fit)
Babar Azam
Sarfraz ( ideal position for him)
Amir yamin ( Play him as a batting all rounder all he has to do is give 5 _8 economical overs)
Mohammad nawaz ( play him in asia) while away replace him with amad butt)
Hasan ali
Yasir
Amir
This team is perfect with enough bowling option and excellent batting depth with Hasan at 9. I believe this team really looks solid and has more or less covered the areas which we are missing in our current team. What do you think guys?
This will be my team
Sami
Azhar
Saud shakeel
Asad shafiq( if he is not performing then we should go with haris when fully fit)
Babar Azam
Sarfraz ( ideal position for him)
Amir yamin ( Play him as a batting all rounder all he has to do is give 5 _8 economical overs)
Mohammad nawaz ( play him in asia) while away replace him with amad butt)
Hasan ali
Yasir
Amir
This team is perfect with enough bowling option and excellent batting depth with Hasan at 9. I believe this team really looks solid and has more or less covered the areas which we are missing in our current team. What do you think guys?
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Needs to be ready along with Hasan Ali before the Australian tour, for the West Indies series we should have a squad which looks something like this:
Sami Aslam
Jaahid Ali
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Asad Shafiq
Mohammad Rizwan
Mohammad Nawaz
Amad Butt
Yasir Shah
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Amir
Mir Hamza
Saud Shakeel
Zafar Gohar
Sarfraz Ahmed
All the youngsters that put in some good performances should make way for duds like Hafeez, Younus e.t.c
Sami Aslam
Jaahid Ali
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Asad Shafiq
Mohammad Rizwan
Mohammad Nawaz
Amad Butt
Yasir Shah
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Amir
Mir Hamza
Saud Shakeel
Zafar Gohar
Sarfraz Ahmed
All the youngsters that put in some good performances should make way for duds like Hafeez, Younus e.t.c
Pretty decent team but knowing we will get hafeez, misbah and younis filling their boots after this hourendess tour for both hafeez and younis. As for misbah I hope he rests and gives a chance to someone new but that will be a miracle if it does happen.
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Asif is not coming back, that's for sure. So people should stop living in the past, should look for the future.
For the Pink Ball Test at The Gabba:
1. Sami Aslam
2. Jaahid Ali
3. Azhar Ali
4. Misbah
5. Asad Shafiq
6. Sarfraz Ahmed
7. Aamer Yamin
8. Hasan Ali
9. Amad Butt
10. Yasir Shah
11. Mohammad Amir
Reserves:
Babar Azam
Salman Butt
Mohammad Rizwan
Ehsan Adil
Wahab Riaz
Rahat Ali
1. Sami Aslam
2. Jaahid Ali
3. Azhar Ali
4. Misbah
5. Asad Shafiq
6. Sarfraz Ahmed
7. Aamer Yamin
8. Hasan Ali
9. Amad Butt
10. Yasir Shah
11. Mohammad Amir
Reserves:
Babar Azam
Salman Butt
Mohammad Rizwan
Ehsan Adil
Wahab Riaz
Rahat Ali
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Nobody is pointing towards disastrous Cricket Set Up.
Why did Amad Butt miss 2014-2015 Fc season when Sami Aslam played that Season ? Who is responsible ?
1. Sialkot Cricket Association ?
2. Director Game Development Pcb ?
3. Director Domestic Cricket Pcb ?
4. Director NCA PCB ?
Than when He had a Good Debut Fc Season, Good Debut List A Season, Good Pakistan Cup than why he wasn't picked for Pakistan A Fc squad ? Mohammad Nawaz & Bilawal Bhatti were preferred over him ? Why ?
Do not blame Inzamam. He was out of touch of domestic cricket for 5 years and He selected teams after taking Feedback from NCA & Ex Selection Commitee.
We Knew Aamer Yamin, Anwar Ali, Faheem Ashraf, Bilawal Bhatti, Sohail Tanveer aren't Test Quality Allrounders most aren't allrounders but we knew We are going to visit England after 6 years and we need a fast medium allrounder atleast in the squad to push for selection as number 7 batsman and 5th bowling Option.
NCA Failed, Haroon failed.
For Sami Aslam & Imam ul Haq though I would give credit to Haroon Rashid. For Saud & Babar aswell.
Why did Amad Butt miss 2014-2015 Fc season when Sami Aslam played that Season ? Who is responsible ?
1. Sialkot Cricket Association ?
2. Director Game Development Pcb ?
3. Director Domestic Cricket Pcb ?
4. Director NCA PCB ?
Than when He had a Good Debut Fc Season, Good Debut List A Season, Good Pakistan Cup than why he wasn't picked for Pakistan A Fc squad ? Mohammad Nawaz & Bilawal Bhatti were preferred over him ? Why ?
Do not blame Inzamam. He was out of touch of domestic cricket for 5 years and He selected teams after taking Feedback from NCA & Ex Selection Commitee.
We Knew Aamer Yamin, Anwar Ali, Faheem Ashraf, Bilawal Bhatti, Sohail Tanveer aren't Test Quality Allrounders most aren't allrounders but we knew We are going to visit England after 6 years and we need a fast medium allrounder atleast in the squad to push for selection as number 7 batsman and 5th bowling Option.
NCA Failed, Haroon failed.
For Sami Aslam & Imam ul Haq though I would give credit to Haroon Rashid. For Saud & Babar aswell.
Even though I want amad in the team but there is no way he should be batting at 7 we should have a batting all rounder at 7. At the moment amad is bowling all rounder at best.
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If you mean Aamer Yamin who is 5'6 5'7 medium fast than Sorry we don't need him. Thank You.
For Me Aamer Yamin is a number 6 Odi Batsman who can bowl abit depending upon Opposition and nature of Pitch but I do not consider him an Allrounder for any format and certainly not at all for test Cricket.
With that height you need to have pace and skill of Malcom Marshall to succeed at Test Level.
If You mean Mohammad Nawaz who couldn't put bat on Ball against 40 years old Ajmal or Bilawal or Faheem etc than Sorry not good enough not int material.
Don't get deceived by Amad's Averages. More than 70 % of times he has been sent at below number 8 and mostly he has played on pitches where his team got dismissed under 300.
Amad has Batted at number 5,6 & 7 in Inter region & inter department 2 day and 3 day matches at Under 19 level. He is No Stokes or Woakes but currently He is at level near Chris Morris. And He is better than all Pakistani available allrounders or pseudo allrounders. Moreover he is fast medium.
Sarfraz at 6 & Amad at 7 will be fine. There is a world outside Uae, Zim, SL & Bd also wrt Test Cricket for which you need 4 pacers and 1 spinner with 1 of those pacers being allrounder and 1 who can hold a bat to some degree.
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I don't go by numbers but I have seen amad batting which is no way near number 7 in test but I hope he can improve and bat at number 7. Plus his batting is pretty much similar to Anwar Ali. Personally I would play amir Yamin at 7 and can bowl you 10 economical over. And Amad at 8. While I would replace Yamin with Nawaz in uae or the sub continent. With this the batting is strong and also you have 5 bowling options which we need. If you are gonna go with Amad at 7 then you need a world class tail which unfortunately we don't have. What we have is the weakest tail in the world. Plus amad should not bat above 8 for time being.
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Ppers and those who think Aamer Yamin is an Allrounder will destroy his International Career by getting him hammered in one or two games. Pakistan will Suffer Only.
Because Pakistan needs him at number 6 as a batsman only in Odi's who ocassionslly rolls his Arm bowler.
Give him to SA, Aus & Eng and tell them to play him as a Test Allrounder than let me know what they say.
Anwar Ali & Amad Butt in same line ? Yawns yaar.
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For a start we are not as blessed as the teams you mentioned. So what's wrong us giving him a go. We are not playing him to get us 5 wickets a match all we need from him to average 30 plus with the bat and bowl few economic over which I can't see why he can't do that. I am expecting him to play a role some what similar to moin Ali which is not asking for too much. Furthermore, with that logic tell them teams about playing amad at 7 and tell me what they say. Don't get me wrong I believe amad has huge potential and can definitely play at 7 if he improves his batting. Finally I am only comparing Anwar Ali batting with amad, not his bowling. And their batting is not to dissimilar.
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Moin Ali is a Spinner while Aamer Yamin is a Medium Fast Pacer. How can you compare them or there roles ?
England Play Moeen as a single Spin Option plus an Allrounder.
Amad's batting needs grooming and maturity but He isn't Anwar Ali who is half trick pony.
Razzaq had good Tests when He was Fast Medium. Even with him being 4-5 inches taller than Aamer Yamin he lost his Test Place when he became medium fast because his efficiency decreased vastly.
Aamer Yamin is a Batsman who is far better than Amad Butt as a Batsman. But Test Team doesn't need his 10 overs where he will be taken to cleaners by Opposition whenever they need quick runs or throw the 5th bowling option out of attack to over load remaining 4 bowlers yet Again. We nees reliable 5th bowling Option.
I would like to see how many times Anwar Ali came in to bat at number 9 in Fc Cricket against Strong Bowling Line up of a Departmental side while his side reeling at 7-90 odd and took them to 225 odd with 83* from that Position. Ahmed Jamal, Ataullah, Faheem Ashraf & Mohammad Asghar being the bowlers.
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Yamin bowls a nagging 5th stump line which might not work in ODIs but it's a line that most test players will not risk playing shots against. He can definitely offer 10-15 overs in a day, especially in England where there's movement available for longer periods.
I agree having a bowler like Ammad as your 5th option would be great but he needs a year or two to develop as a batsman.
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Ammad or Yamin, either would too.
People disagree to their inclusions because they are not "good enough" for them to feature in tests, which may or may not be fair to say, but that is not the point. They are to be played as support seamers to Rahat/Amir/Sohail, so even if they are not Waqar or Wasim, they will be enough to let the frontliners take a break and reduce the workload on them, yet still being superior to part time options like Azhar which the opposition can tee off against.
And besides, would they honestly be worse batsmen than Younis or Hafeez? They'd at the very least go with a nothing to lose approach and attack the opposition bowlers.
They will at worst contribute the same as Younis's or Hafeez's best in this series, but will probably have more to offer in all innings. Need to recruit one of these guys now.
People disagree to their inclusions because they are not "good enough" for them to feature in tests, which may or may not be fair to say, but that is not the point. They are to be played as support seamers to Rahat/Amir/Sohail, so even if they are not Waqar or Wasim, they will be enough to let the frontliners take a break and reduce the workload on them, yet still being superior to part time options like Azhar which the opposition can tee off against.
And besides, would they honestly be worse batsmen than Younis or Hafeez? They'd at the very least go with a nothing to lose approach and attack the opposition bowlers.
They will at worst contribute the same as Younis's or Hafeez's best in this series, but will probably have more to offer in all innings. Need to recruit one of these guys now.
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Technically, Yamin is much more organized than Hafeez and Younis.
Is Aamer Yamin really that short?
By my reckoning if you remove a batsman to push Sarfraz up to Number 6 in Tests, then Number 7 must be a batsman who will bowl three 5 over spells of seam per day. But also numbers 8 and 9 have to then be good enough batsmen to average 25 and 20 respectively with the bat while still being decent second and third quick bowlers.
I can see Hasan Ali at 8 and Amad Butt at 9, above Yasir Shah and Mohammad Amir.
But if Aamer Yamin is less than 5 foot 11, then you suddenly need to settle on Hammad Azam at Number 7 and work very hard on both his batting and bowling.
By my reckoning if you remove a batsman to push Sarfraz up to Number 6 in Tests, then Number 7 must be a batsman who will bowl three 5 over spells of seam per day. But also numbers 8 and 9 have to then be good enough batsmen to average 25 and 20 respectively with the bat while still being decent second and third quick bowlers.
I can see Hasan Ali at 8 and Amad Butt at 9, above Yasir Shah and Mohammad Amir.
But if Aamer Yamin is less than 5 foot 11, then you suddenly need to settle on Hammad Azam at Number 7 and work very hard on both his batting and bowling.
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Got to get one of amad, Hammad or Yamin on the plane for Oval test. It is as simple as that.
Even Hammad would do batting at no. 7 if we drop Hafeez, he is very decent against pace and can bowl wicket to wicket 10 overs a day at 78-82 mph
Even Hammad would do batting at no. 7 if we drop Hafeez, he is very decent against pace and can bowl wicket to wicket 10 overs a day at 78-82 mph
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Yamin's like 5'7 but he has control over his length. Pitches in the corridor of uncertainty consistently. He's a far better batsman than Ammad though.
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Not possible, simple.
Look at the English Australian model they are picking all rounders and bowlers who are 6ft plus stokes woakes are not naturally talented they just work hard in the gym conditioning and nets to be better athletes same as jade ball , Steve Finn they don't have natural ability like m Amir or wahab or sohail Khan but they are much fitter stronger and better athletes than their Pakistani counterparts
Imo 5ft 10 should be the minimum anyone shorter should not be picked for fast bowling in Pakistan
We have had some tall lads like ehsan Adil , irfanullah shah recently but we failed to develop them as athletes , if they were trained properly and their bodies strengthened conditioned , and bowling actions improved we would have had some proper tall fast bowlers who could have bowled some 90mph+ deliveries and gotten extra bounce
Instead of investing in tall fast consistent line length bowlers we
Are busy looking to the heavens for the next reincarnation of wasim akram which is never gonna happen .
Also there is no place for long tail anymore if bowlers can't hold a bat or field properly and run out of steam and start bowling 75 mph pies need to be kicked out
Imo 5ft 10 should be the minimum anyone shorter should not be picked for fast bowling in Pakistan
We have had some tall lads like ehsan Adil , irfanullah shah recently but we failed to develop them as athletes , if they were trained properly and their bodies strengthened conditioned , and bowling actions improved we would have had some proper tall fast bowlers who could have bowled some 90mph+ deliveries and gotten extra bounce
Instead of investing in tall fast consistent line length bowlers we
Are busy looking to the heavens for the next reincarnation of wasim akram which is never gonna happen .
Also there is no place for long tail anymore if bowlers can't hold a bat or field properly and run out of steam and start bowling 75 mph pies need to be kicked out
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Love this guys aggression, the sort of personality the LOI side needs. He's a wicket taker, just needs to work on his control.
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Golden opportunity missed by Pak Team mgmt?
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Flew him to England to warm the bench for one game. Brilliant.
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TTF disease continues. Inzi selections are no different. Disappointed.
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Some things don't change in Pakistan no matter who is the captain. The unwritten rule of playing seniors (we needed experience): wonder what Wahab is doing in the t20 side?
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taken over from afridi and yk as the designated back patter
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yeah that was one of the most random posts here
ghulam is more short though, still has a great power, but ammad actually looks intimadating
this is all visual though at the end of the day.
Shane watson became succesful when he started cutting down on muscle, prior to that he was hercules but kept getting injured, so we shouldnt go overboard
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Could've rested Amir.
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Bechara flew 15 hours to watch the match from the best seat in the house 
But atleast now he knows he is in the selectors plans and should push him to work harder to get in the first eleven.
But atleast now he knows he is in the selectors plans and should push him to work harder to get in the first eleven.
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Don't worry, he'll get his turn. Has a lot of growing to do anyway.
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I'll take any back patter that can get me 3 wickets.
On topic, harsh on Amad but great learning experience for him.
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Not picked for WI tour.
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What a shame, I wouldn't have said anything if he only got 2 overs
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Well summed up
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Shameful tbh 
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They needed to play the best XI and they did. He's a good prospect, his time will come.
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Amad Butt's time will come, he didn't do anything wrong, maybe he was just a bit raw and Inzi regretted picking him
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One of Our Sports Channel is very Strong very Powerful. Not the Old One but the Other One.
One Ex Pakistan Captain Criticised his Selection so so so much and made it to look as If His Selection is Not on Merit. They Cited that He has only played 7 Fc matches and No Hundred and where should those All rounders go who have been performing for Seasons.
They Forgot to tell the Masses that out of 7 Fc matches 5 were played on Seamers friendly wickets with Sides bundling out under 300 mostly and Amad Butt Mostly Batted at Number 8,9 and number 10. On such wickets You expect him to score Fc hundreds on these batting numbers ?
Than the Anchor said that Moodi-Paa (Mudassar Nazar) Director NCA suggested Inzamam to Select him and He got selected on his recommendation at this thr Ex Captain said that I know Moodi Paa, He would never do it. He would never recommend a player after one season. The Anchor maintained that He has Pakki Khabbar.
They Absolutely Nailed the Selection Committee for Selecting him.
3 Ex Test Crickets were in Discussion Panel.
Because of This The Poor Player did not get a game and wss needlessly dropped.
Amongst all the Seam Up Allrounders in Pakistan Amad has these distinct Assets :
1. He is the Fastest amongst All.
(Not Counting B.Bhatti as Allrounder)
2. He is the One with Best Fitness Levels.
This distinguishes him from Others.
His Highesr Fc score 83* came in at number 9 batting position when HBL were 99-7 and he single hamdedly carried them to 225 score and than took wickets with the Ball Aswell agsinst Quality Batting and Bowling Unit of NBP and single handedly saved HBL from defeat and did all this in his Debut Season.
But Former Test Captain cannot see it as it needs Research.
We have Short Memory. In Pakistam Cup the Most Impressive Right Arm Pacer was Amad Butt with most wickets aswell. After Pakistan Cup Inzamam in a Press Conference said that He was impressed by Amad Butt even just as a Bowler and he can Bat aswell. So even just as a Bowler He impressed Inzamam more than all other bowlers.
He was fittest player amongst All Pakistan A fitness Camp players at NCA and deservedly got picked for Pakistan Team and
Dropped by Unjust, False Notorious Electronic Media Propaganda.
This is Very Bitter & Unjust.
I just Hope against Hope that it does not destroy Amad Butt's Confidence.
One of Our Sports Channel is very Strong very Powerful. Not the Old One but the Other One.
One Ex Pakistan Captain Criticised his Selection so so so much and made it to look as If His Selection is Not on Merit. They Cited that He has only played 7 Fc matches and No Hundred and where should those All rounders go who have been performing for Seasons.
They Forgot to tell the Masses that out of 7 Fc matches 5 were played on Seamers friendly wickets with Sides bundling out under 300 mostly and Amad Butt Mostly Batted at Number 8,9 and number 10. On such wickets You expect him to score Fc hundreds on these batting numbers ?
Than the Anchor said that Moodi-Paa (Mudassar Nazar) Director NCA suggested Inzamam to Select him and He got selected on his recommendation at this thr Ex Captain said that I know Moodi Paa, He would never do it. He would never recommend a player after one season. The Anchor maintained that He has Pakki Khabbar.
They Absolutely Nailed the Selection Committee for Selecting him.
3 Ex Test Crickets were in Discussion Panel.
Because of This The Poor Player did not get a game and wss needlessly dropped.
Amongst all the Seam Up Allrounders in Pakistan Amad has these distinct Assets :
1. He is the Fastest amongst All.
(Not Counting B.Bhatti as Allrounder)
2. He is the One with Best Fitness Levels.
This distinguishes him from Others.
His Highesr Fc score 83* came in at number 9 batting position when HBL were 99-7 and he single hamdedly carried them to 225 score and than took wickets with the Ball Aswell agsinst Quality Batting and Bowling Unit of NBP and single handedly saved HBL from defeat and did all this in his Debut Season.
But Former Test Captain cannot see it as it needs Research.
We have Short Memory. In Pakistam Cup the Most Impressive Right Arm Pacer was Amad Butt with most wickets aswell. After Pakistan Cup Inzamam in a Press Conference said that He was impressed by Amad Butt even just as a Bowler and he can Bat aswell. So even just as a Bowler He impressed Inzamam more than all other bowlers.
He was fittest player amongst All Pakistan A fitness Camp players at NCA and deservedly got picked for Pakistan Team and
Dropped by Unjust, False Notorious Electronic Media Propaganda.
This is Very Bitter & Unjust.
I just Hope against Hope that it does not destroy Amad Butt's Confidence.
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He is less than 5'11.
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You are hyping him as some world beater just like Nauman and Ahsan. Let the poor guy perform first in Domestics
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Brother, he still needs time to develop into an all rounder, you can't call him an all rounder right now, if I were to select him, would only select him in the longer format as a bowler, his FC bowling average is impressive.
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Nauman has Lost It after Terrible Technique Change. Read Chacha Cricket's Post in Nauman's thread. He is now not even Shaddow of his First Season where He was a complete hybrid of Imran Nazir & Hafeez.
If You saw Ahsan's Innings of 85 and Innings of 76 Live than You won't say that. Ask [MENTION=138958]Khan12[/MENTION] & [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION].
No i did not say that Amad is a World Beater. The Resources you have He is the Best wrt Bowling.
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Selecting a Player for 4 days, not giving him a game and than dropping him not only from Pakistan but also Pakistan A team on False E.Media Propaganda is not development. It could be self destruction.
If He had played not enough matches than He should not have been selected in first place for 4 days only.
Confidence is a Main thing.
Really disappointing not see him selected. Don't know how someone can justify dropping a player without even getting a game. Really disappointing from inzi as well. I hope he makes the ODI team a much better bowler then the like of umar gul and wahab riaz at least. Plus also a much better fielder them them as well as a better batsmen. This is how you shatter players confidence so well done the team management and inzi.
Dear brother Inzi isn't the one who should be blamed rather its Micky n Co and "Blame" is not the right word you should use here. May be Micky n Co asked Ammad to improve certain things and if you noticed he is not playing for Lahore (whites) from last two games, may be he went directly to NCA to sort out something. Take it positively brother don't take your grudge over something small you don't know yet.
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Was Playing well 
Nobody can Stop him InshaAllah.
May Allah Bless him. Aameen.
Nobody can Stop him InshaAllah.
May Allah Bless him. Aameen.
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Was Playing well
Nobody can Stop him InshaAllah.
May Allah Bless him. Aameen.
I missed the math, what did he do?
Was Playing well
Nobody can Stop him InshaAllah.
May Allah Bless him. Aameen.
I saw him for the first time.He has good action and also looks pacy.While batting he played some very good shots.Seems are real talent.Not sure why they dropped him from Pak team.
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15 (7) with 2 sixes.
His team needed 20 of 10 balls and while hitting out he missed a well disguised slow ball and got out.
Isb united owner said that unfortunately Last year he got unfit so he could not play but this year he has been impressed again by him in nets. He said He hits the ball very hard.
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I mentioned the truth ( I believe ) in this thread. It was regarding a Tv Channel Propaganda brigade.
InshaAllah He will be in Pakistan team Soon. Hope he stays injury free. He is a future Assett.
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I hope "SOON" doesnt arrive within next year.
Ammad Butt Should keep himself away for the time being. Should spend next 12 months understanding his game and exploiting his untested traits.
He is an asset but so was Hammad Azam. Very early in his career Hammad was treated as a workhorse, playing many nonsense matches nonstop. This practice should stop.
Its pity that PCB guys dont realize the significance of structuring the workload format for under 21 players. No wonder that some players become very average after being excellent performers at U19 levels. There should be a limit to number of maximum domestic matches a player can play in one year. This should be categorised further into limit for List-A, First Class and T20 each. In between this, some of their Match-Free days should be spent in NCA or somewhere like it.
Playing too many matches too early is ridiculous. This could have worked till 1999. Won't work in 2016.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13k3fBVy5Co
that amad butt?
looks very impressive?
watched him and zafar gohar at u19 http://www.icc-cricket.com/cricket-...amad-butt-england-v-pakistan-icc-u19-cwc-2014
looks like zafar gohar is a good batsman
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21 years old Allrounder Amad Butt has only played 8 Fc matches until now.
Those who rate or dismiss a player only by searching his Stats without considering any other factor or factors should see this example.
Many of you have dismissed him as an Allrounder stating his Fc batting average of 17.
In 9 Fc matches Amad Butt has twice been highest runscorer in the innings for HBL.
1. 83* at number 9 vs NBP last year where Asad Shafiq was 2nd highesr scorer of the innings with 19 runs and HBL scored 188. His bowling figures in that match were 2-73 and 4-59. Only because of him HBL succeeded in drawing that Match.
2. 42 at number 9 vs Islamabad today where Imam ul Haq was 2nd highest scorer with 40 and HBL made 168. Shehzad Azam Rana took 7-49 for Isb. Amad's bowling contribution in this match have been 2-23 and 3-42.
The quality of a player is tested in pressure situations and it is analysed in such situations that how a player reacts to the challenge and what are his performances under those circumstances. Amad has shown excellent signs uptil now in such circumstances.
I wish & pray that he becomes the Best Allrounder of Quaid e Azam Trophy this year and gets selected for Pakistan Test Tour of New Zealand & Australia. Instead of a spin bowling allrounder we will be needing a Tall Fast Medium Allrounder in New Zealand & Australia. We can either have him at Number 7 with Sarfraz moving to number 6 or we can have Amad on the bench as a back up for Sohail or Wahab incase they have an injury or if they are in bad form. Nawaz should remain in the squad.
Those who rate or dismiss a player only by searching his Stats without considering any other factor or factors should see this example.
Many of you have dismissed him as an Allrounder stating his Fc batting average of 17.
In 9 Fc matches Amad Butt has twice been highest runscorer in the innings for HBL.
1. 83* at number 9 vs NBP last year where Asad Shafiq was 2nd highesr scorer of the innings with 19 runs and HBL scored 188. His bowling figures in that match were 2-73 and 4-59. Only because of him HBL succeeded in drawing that Match.
2. 42 at number 9 vs Islamabad today where Imam ul Haq was 2nd highest scorer with 40 and HBL made 168. Shehzad Azam Rana took 7-49 for Isb. Amad's bowling contribution in this match have been 2-23 and 3-42.
The quality of a player is tested in pressure situations and it is analysed in such situations that how a player reacts to the challenge and what are his performances under those circumstances. Amad has shown excellent signs uptil now in such circumstances.
I wish & pray that he becomes the Best Allrounder of Quaid e Azam Trophy this year and gets selected for Pakistan Test Tour of New Zealand & Australia. Instead of a spin bowling allrounder we will be needing a Tall Fast Medium Allrounder in New Zealand & Australia. We can either have him at Number 7 with Sarfraz moving to number 6 or we can have Amad on the bench as a back up for Sohail or Wahab incase they have an injury or if they are in bad form. Nawaz should remain in the squad.
In Sha Allah hope he does well this season, should be promoted to 6 or 7 ahead of abdur rehman and also wish Islamabad United releases him rather being benched whole PSL.
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They won't release him because Islamabad United Owner Ali Naqvi rates him very highly and he is on record saying that Amad is a bighitter in the nets and he was unfortunate to miss out playing last season as he got unfit.
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[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]
I agree with almost all of this - it's the best post on this forum that I have seen for months.
I only disagree about where he should bat. I think 7 is still a bit high, but he'd be a terrific Number 8.
My "Bottom Five" for the Tests in Australia would be:
Pink Ball Test at Brisbane
6. Babar Azam
7. Sarfraz Ahmed
8. Mohammad Nawaz
9. Hasan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Ehsan Adil
I need a strong tail in case my batsmen collapse under lights, but innings won't last more than 65 overs so four bowlers are enough.
Red Ball Tests at Melbourne and Sydney
6. Sarfraz Ahmed
7. Mohammad Nawaz
8. Amad Butt
9. Yasir Shah
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Wahab Riaz
Here I need five bowlers - so that Wahab and Amir can bowl shorter, faster spells. And short quick bowlers won't get anybody out.
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