[VIDEOS] "India was 7 times the size of Pakistan and we regularly thrashed them" : Imran Khan

[ahemadgani]

But current time, the situation is Opposite.

 

[Sidilicious]

People might hate PM Imran Khan for this but the fact is even if India keeps winning like currently it will take at least a couple of more decades for them to replace Pakistan as the greatest cricket nation from Asian bloc. That's is while taking into consideration Pakistan will continue to remain average and lose more than India which is also not likely.

Not True.

ODI
1. India is the better ODI team already, with 2 WCs and 2 CTs (or 1.5) when compared to Pakistan's 1 each of CT and WC.
2. India also has a better W/L ratio against the top nations (excl. Zim and Bang here). India's W/L is 1.002, compared to Pakistan's 0.923. Including minnows, India's W/L ratio is 1.218 compared to Pakistan's 1.176.
3. Of course, Pakistan has a better H2H against India, but that does not tell the full story, as everyone will agree WC and CT wins are the most important.

India is clearly the much better ODI team, the #2 ODI team of all time.

Tests

I will give an advantage to Pakistan here.
1. Excluding minnows + Home & Away, Pakistan has W/L ratio of 0.921 vs India's 0.858. Including, minnows, it's 1.053 for Pakistan, vs 0.951 against India.
2. Pakistan has a better H2H against India
3. Pakistan and India, have 3 test series wins in Eng. But India has 1 series win in Aus vs 0 for Pak. Both have done Jack in SA, and Pakistan is the better team in NZ.

So, its clear the Pakistan is the better test team. For India to be the better team ever, they would need to be the better team in 2 out of the above 3 criteria (with #1 mandatory). i.e. they need to at least have the better W/L ratio and either have a better SENA away series win record or a better H2H.

With the inclusion of Test Championship, that might replace the H2H, but that discussion is for another day.

T20s

Though, the least important, we can still factor in the numbers.
1. Both have 1 T20 WC each, and losing finalists, once each. So, tie here.
2. Against, non minnows, India has W/L ratio of 1.463 vs Pakistan's 1.153
3. India has a better H2H against Pakistan.

So, India is the better team here.

My Assessment is that the TestDI:T20 importance is something like 60 : 30 : 10.

Given the above assessment, Pakistan is still the better team due to their test exploits. However, if India can get a better W/L ratio and win the test championship, they would close the gap with Pakistan in tests, and since they have the ascendancy in ODIs and T20s, they would be the better team. This could very well happen in the next year and a half.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Not True.

ODI
1. India is the better ODI team already, with 2 WCs and 2 CTs (or 1.5) when compared to Pakistan's 1 each of CT and WC.
2. India also has a better W/L ratio against the top nations (excl. Zim and Bang here). India's W/L is 1.002, compared to Pakistan's 0.923. Including minnows, India's W/L ratio is 1.218 compared to Pakistan's 1.176.
3. Of course, Pakistan has a better H2H against India, but that does not tell the full story, as everyone will agree WC and CT wins are the most important.

India is clearly the much better ODI team, the #2 ODI team of all time.

Tests

I will give an advantage to Pakistan here.
1. Excluding minnows + Home & Away, Pakistan has W/L ratio of 0.921 vs India's 0.858. Including, minnows, it's 1.053 for Pakistan, vs 0.951 against India.
2. Pakistan has a better H2H against India
3. Pakistan and India, have 3 test series wins in Eng. But India has 1 series win in Aus vs 0 for Pak. Both have done Jack in SA, and Pakistan is the better team in NZ.

So, its clear the Pakistan is the better test team. For India to be the better team ever, they would need to be the better team in 2 out of the above 3 criteria (with #1 mandatory). i.e. they need to at least have the better W/L ratio and either have a better SENA away series win record or a better H2H.

With the inclusion of Test Championship, that might replace the H2H, but that discussion is for another day.

T20s

Though, the least important, we can still factor in the numbers.
1. Both have 1 T20 WC each, and losing finalists, once each. So, tie here.
2. Against, non minnows, India has W/L ratio of 1.463 vs Pakistan's 1.153
3. India has a better H2H against Pakistan.

So, India is the better team here.

My Assessment is that the TestDI:T20 importance is something like 60 : 30 : 10.

Given the above assessment, Pakistan is still the better team due to their test exploits. However, if India can get a better W/L ratio and win the test championship, they would close the gap with Pakistan in tests, and since they have the ascendancy in ODIs and T20s, they would be the better team. This could very well happen in the next year and a half.

Pakistan's win loss ratio in England is much better than India. India has a better record in Australia and South Africa than Pakistan.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Not able to win a single test match against Australia leave alone series *
Srilankan record in short international timeframe has better records to show.. probably second best team in Asia

hahaha, Pakistan won a test against every team in their first series against them. India and Sri Lanka both took a long time to do that.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Current indian team is tghe greatest the GOAT Asian team of all time. Haters can hate.

 

[Sidilicious]

Pakistan's win loss ratio in England is much better than India. India has a better record in Australia and South Africa than Pakistan.

Yup, India are better in SA and Aus, and Pakistan in Eng and NZ. However, I would give Pakistan the upper hand there, as series win is more important than drawing series (even though that is an achievement too).
And Pakistan have a stellar record against NZ.

 

[Abid Z]

Pakistan is 10 times the size of Australia but we regularly get thrashed by them.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Imran's entire life has been around lies, from personal to professional. So called elected Pakistani PM when the world questioned the rigged results. Just like that his captaincy was always rigged, not the mark of courageous people. Once in a game in Lahore Pakistan was 28/3 after 14 overs against India when Pakistani jazbaati public started throwing stones and the game was abandoned. Imran was seen laughing when that happened because true to his character, he was happy with a rigged abandoned game than losing like a man.

Keep crying, truth hurts.

 

[lahoriyah1234]

Khan Saab just hit the bulls eye. We will starts to thrash them once again in 1 or 2 yrs inshallah. But Ghar ke Sher doesn’t want to play us.

 

[MRSN]

to be fair Wasim is paid too much for his unprofessionalism. First Misbah's appointment and now this. This is not how a professional who is paid so heavily handles things. Very disappointed in him.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

If we start playing in Pakistan, instead of anti-cricket-uae then our record will improve.

There is no doubt that (current) Indian test team is better than Pak test team.

We must factor in that Indian players play at home and their confidence is regularly boosted. On the other hand, Pak players have been playing in UAE and then they tour where we receive regular phaintas.

Almost everything has gone against Pak cricket since that coward terrorist attack against SL team.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Imran's entire life has been around lies, from personal to professional. So called elected Pakistani PM when the world questioned the rigged results. Just like that his captaincy was always rigged, not the mark of courageous people. Once in a game in Lahore Pakistan was 28/3 after 14 overs against India when Pakistani jazbaati public started throwing stones and the game was abandoned. Imran was seen laughing when that happened because true to his character, he was happy with a rigged abandoned game than losing like a man.

Waqar got Srikkanth out lbw; Srikkanth was fuming; Imran called him back (despite not having any authority to do so ).

 

[Technics 1210]

On to the topic yes this is just to please a bunch of people. I am sure i won't see Obama bragging about him beating Russia in olympics or Modi bragging about India beating in world cups. I can see that from Trump though. This is straight from Trump playbook.

Of course you won't because Modi and Obama never had a sporting career representing their country.

 

[Aman]

It's true, with the resources and advantages India have over other nations, their accomplishments in the sport are pretty ordinary.

Aus have a population of 25m and are without a doubt the GOAT cricket nation. This is a country where they other sports like AFL, Rugby League and Union as well competing for the best talent.

 

[Junaids]

He capitalized on a weak Indian team in Test cricket. They were quite average after the retirement of their spin quartet.

Kohli’s India is a far better Test team than Imran’s Pakistan.

Gavaskar
Srikkanth
Amarnath
Vengsarkar
Azharuddin
Shastri
Kapil Dev
More
Binny
Yadav
Maninder Singh

I reckon that only Kohli and Bumrah from the current team would get into that team.

Eight months earlier they had won a series in England 2-0.

Whereas eighteen months ago the current India team lost 4-1 in England a month after Pakistan drew 1-1.

 

[waleed88]

It was in the context of Pakistan being on the right track in the 60s which manifested itself in performances in cricket, squash, and hockey amongst other things. It was a mostly Pakistani audience, I think.

This is the first time I've heard Imran speak about how his era was the most amazing, and how he turned around his cricketing career, seriously groundbreaking stuff to hear

 

[waleed88]

Not sure why my fellow Indians are getting hurt about his comments. To be honest it's the Pakistani fans who should be getting hurt, considering that they are still living and deriving their happiness from past events and not the present.

IK and his team was a good cricket team and did very well for themselves. Now it's 2020 and India and Kohli's men are an even better team and are doing alright for themselves. Tomorrow someone else will come up that's how things roll. Rather than living on past glories one should focus on the present and how to secure the future.

We are in IK's Pakistan now, which means all of this information down our throats everyday for the next 5 years, kids and teenagers have also been trained and oriented to believe Imran Khan is the greatest thing to have happened to Pakistan since Jinnah, and we are fortunate to have such an educated english speaking captain, who's smile can win hearts and his charisma can win people over, along with his contributions to Pakistani cricket which are unparalleled.

 

[Pakistanian]

It's true, with the resources and advantages India have over other nations, their accomplishments in the sport are pretty ordinary.

Aus have a population of 25m and are without a doubt the GOAT cricket nation. This is a country where they other sports like AFL, Rugby League and Union as well competing for the best talent.

Except Australia has the highest per capita income in the cricketing world, it's the wealthiest nation that plays the game and England is a close second if not tied for first so I wouldn't consider it so impressive, I think success is expected from wealthy nations.

 

[Buffet]

Gavaskar
Srikkanth
Amarnath
Vengsarkar
Azharuddin
Shastri
Kapil Dev
More
Binny
Yadav
Maninder Singh

I reckon that only Kohli and Bumrah from the current team would get into that team.

Srikkanth - batting carrer and away avg 20s
Vengsarkar - away avg 32
Azharuddin - Away avg 36

Maninder - Away bowling avg in 50s
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All there players can be replaced by better players. Hyping past for sake of hyping ....

 

[RajBan]

Gavaskar
Srikkanth
Amarnath
Vengsarkar
Azharuddin
Shastri
Kapil Dev
More
Binny
Yadav
Maninder Singh

I reckon that only Kohli and Bumrah from the current team would get into that team.

Eight months earlier they had won a series in England 2-0.

Whereas eighteen months ago the current India team lost 4-1 in England a month after Pakistan drew 1-1.

Not true. It's the opposite. Only three players from that 11 can join the current 11. Kapil , Vengsarkar and Amarnath. As good as More was, Saha is a better keeper. Bowling wise there is no comparison.

The reason why India has lost so many matches is because of our super intelligent captain and coach.

 

[RajBan]

As I said Pakistan was a better team in the 80s and 90s till arrival of Ganguly , Dravid And Lakshman in 96-97. Post that it was a pretty even contest till 2009-2010. It's the last decade where Indian team has been ahead.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Gavaskar
Srikkanth
Amarnath
Vengsarkar
Azharuddin
Shastri
Kapil Dev
More
Binny
Yadav
Maninder Singh

I reckon that only Kohli and Bumrah from the current team would get into that team.

Eight months earlier they had won a series in England 2-0.

Whereas eighteen months ago the current India team lost 4-1 in England a month after Pakistan drew 1-1.

No that's what you qantvto believe because imran khan's overrated team played in thay era.

far from the truth.

current indian team has already become the GOAT Asian team of all time. the best ever.

 

[tyron_woodley]

It's true, with the resources and advantages India have over other nations, their accomplishments in the sport are pretty ordinary.

Aus have a population of 25m and are without a doubt the GOAT cricket nation. This is a country where they other sports like AFL, Rugby League and Union as well competing for the best talent.

what resources?, india have had poor facilities and were inhibited by corruption till 2010. Thing only changed after ipl.

Now we see the results. india is good in every format. if anything australia always had the advantage when it comes to resources.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Except Australia has the highest per capita income in the cricketing world, it's the wealthiest nation that plays the game and England is a close second if not tied for first so I wouldn't consider it so impressive, I think success is expected from wealthy nations.

this. Biggest load of rubbish if australia can't win. Australia has a huge advantage over other nations due to wealth gap.

 

[BaankeJi]

It's true, with the resources and advantages India have over other nations, their accomplishments in the sport are pretty ordinary.

Aus have a population of 25m and are without a doubt the GOAT cricket nation. This is a country where they other sports like AFL, Rugby League and Union as well competing for the best talent.

Can you list down the resources that India have and Australia don't? Apart from population off course.

 

[tyron_woodley]

England has been the most pathetic team of all time given their resources and wealth. wealth that was stolen by the way from india and Pakistan lol.

Pathetic piece of trash team could never dominate test cricket ever until 2010-2012 for a grand total of 2 years rofl.

 

[tyron_woodley]

man imagine if india and Pakistan never split. Would be unbeatable till eternity.

Let alone splitting, imagine if both nations had the resources countries like australia and England have access too rofl. Wouldn't even be a competition.

india changed with the intro of ipl and now they are best in the world in test cricket for the past 4 years.

pakistan always step up in the shorter formats as usual.

 

[Pakistanian]

England has been the most pathetic team of all time given their resources and wealth. wealth that was stolen by the way from india and Pakistan lol.

Pathetic piece of trash team could never dominate test cricket ever until 2010-2012 for a grand total of 2 years rofl.

Yeah and per capita income is an important metric because the average person from the "SENA" countries grow up with an exceptionally high standard of living, being raised by wealthy educated parents is a huge privilege and sets you up for generational success. Sports like cricket are very different "poor people" sports like soccer, basketball etc which require no equipment other than a ball, cricket is an expensive sport like hockey, golf, baseball, tennis and lacrosse.

 

[Pakistanian]

Srikkanth - batting carrer and away avg 20s
Vengsarkar - away avg 32
Azharuddin - Away avg 36

Maninder - Away bowling avg in 50s
........
........


All there players can be replaced by better players. Hyping past for sake of hyping ....

That was a very different era. Average totals were also way lower and pitches outside Asia were more bowler friendly compared to now.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yeah and per capita income is an important metric because the average person from the "SENA" countries grow up with an exceptionally high standard of living, being raised by wealthy educated parents is a huge privilege and sets you up for generational success. Sports like cricket are very different "poor people" sports like soccer, basketball etc which require no equipment other than a ball, cricket is an expensive sport like hockey, golf, baseball, tennis and lacrosse.

I would say hockey isn't too expensive bro. I agree with the rest though.

 

[ZamanFan]

man imagine if india and Pakistan never split. Would be unbeatable till eternity.

Let alone splitting, imagine if both nations had the resources countries like australia and England have access too rofl. Wouldn't even be a competition.

india changed with the intro of ipl and now they are best in the world in test cricket for the past 4 years.

pakistan always step up in the shorter formats as usual.

The world would never have seen a Wasim Akram or a Javed Miandad.

I've seen Indians make these what if statements before but it would've never meant many Pakistani bowlers ever representing given how India's rigid zonal setup and state boards work inherited from the Maharaja days. Wasim Akram and Inzamam were selected from the nets, I doubt they would've ever played cricket from the country.

If any Indian makes what if we were one nation again, request Pakistanis to tell them to google and see the 1946 India cricket team and compare it with the team of today. The irony is that even after 74 years you would see Brahmin and Kshatriya caste players dominating most of the XI with an odd or two Sikh or Muslim player.


If it was not for Pakistan team of the 80s and 90s. Cricket would've never spread to the Middle East, Afganistan and Bangladesh.

I can safely say if it was not for Pakistan v India, cricket would not have been the dominant sport in Subcontinent.

 

[Pakistanian]

I would say hockey isn't too expensive bro. I agree with the rest though.

ice hockey certainly is.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The world would never have seen a Wasim Akram or a Javed Miandad.

I've seen Indians make these what if statements before but it would've never meant many Pakistani bowlers ever representing given how India's rigid zonal setup and state boards work inherited from the Maharaja days. Wasim Akram and Inzamam were selected from the nets, I doubt they would've ever played cricket from the country.

If any Indian makes what if we were one nation again, request Pakistanis to tell them to google and see the 1946 India cricket team and compare it with the team of today. The irony is that even after 74 years you would see Brahmin and Kshatriya caste players dominating most of the XI with an odd or two Sikh or Muslim player.


If it was not for Pakistan team of the 80s and 90s. Cricket would've never spread to the Middle East, Afganistan and Bangladesh.

I can safely say if it was not for Pakistan v India, cricket would not have been the dominant sport in Subcontinent.

yes but who instilled this attaitude upon them? the Brits. So blame the Brits.
Anyway it doesn't matter now. india have been a world class team since 2000. as soon india finally started improving facilities and focusing on fitness, they became a true global powerhouse.

pakistan were the great in 80s and 90s.

they are still good but not consistent.

 

[Aman]

Can you list down the resources that India have and Australia don't? Apart from population off course.

A talent pool of hundreds of millions for one sport seems pretty significant, no?

 

[Aman]

You could combine the talent pools for every other top 8 country and it still wouldn't be as big as India's.

 

[Test lover]

A talent pool of hundreds of millions for one sport seems pretty significant, no?

We are playing so many sports & we are more than good in all those sports

 

[tyron_woodley]

A talent pool of hundreds of millions for one sport seems pretty significant, no?

Not when they lack funds and resources. That just means there is less resources to nurture the millions of talents. wealth gap is a huge factor that wasn't overcome till the Intro of ipl.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Gavaskar
Srikkanth
Amarnath
Vengsarkar
Azharuddin
Shastri
Kapil Dev
More
Binny
Yadav
Maninder Singh

I reckon that only Kohli and Bumrah from the current team would get into that team.

Eight months earlier they had won a series in England 2-0.

Whereas eighteen months ago the current India team lost 4-1 in England a month after Pakistan drew 1-1.

Srikkanth the hack? Shastri? More? Maninder? What are you smoking man? The 15th string fast bowling attack of today's India would wipe the floor with the counterparts of that era. We didn't even have proper spinners in the 80s. Saha is the greatest pure keeper of the modern era. Max 4 players from that era would have a chance to play in this Indian XI. I don't understand the hyping of old era players.

 

[proud_pakistani]

That is not the point. The point is that he is responsible for giving birth to India’s World Cup streak against Pakistan. It is an undisputed fact.

Wow man you will find a way of blaming Imran for anything.

 

[MenInG]

Cricketer turned commentator Sanjay Manjrekar sees a lot of similarities between Indian team under Virat Kohli and Pakistan under Imran Khan, saying both instilled strong self-belief in the team.

Manjrekar also said that Pakistan under Imran Khan used to find different ways of winning matches, often from losing positions. Manjrekar tweeted after India clinched a 7-run win and sealed a historic series over New Zealand. In a series of tweets, Manjrekar also called 'batsman keeper' KL Rahul as the find of the T20 series in New Zealand.

Manjrekar also praised Rishabh Pant and Sanju Samson, saying the next batting brigade of India obviously have the skill & the power game they just need to infuse a small dose of Virat's batting 'smarts'( mind) into their game.

In the five match series, India held on to their nerves and sealed three back to back nail-biting contest against hosts New Zealand to become the 1st team in men's cricket to clinch a 5-0 scoreline in a 5-match T20I series.

Earlier, former Pakistani cricketers Shoaib Akhtar and Abdul Qadir had also likened Virat Kohli's captaincy to that of Imran Khan on different occasions.

"Both lead from the front. Kohli takes responsibility and performs and then expects other players to also perform," Abdul Qadir had said. "Imran has the personality and ability to get performance out of his players. Kohli is not yet there (at the level of Imran). But no doubt the Indian captain also leads by example by performing himself."

Virat Kohli also became the captain with the most bilateral series wins after 15 T20I. Kohli now have 10 bilateral T20I series win as captain - the most by any skipper in T20Is as he surpassed the tally of South Africa's Faf du Plessis (9).

Kohli is also the most successful Test captain in Indian cricket history with overall 33 wins, record 13 overseas test wins and highest ever win percentage recorded with greater than 2 matches as captain.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...-sanjay-manjrekar-kl-rahul-1642736-2020-02-03

 

[ManFan]

It is a fact that people want to run away from.

While they can certainly argue that Imran dominated India over the course of his career and that match meant nothing because we won the World Cup, but it is an indisputable fact that Imran gave birth to India’s World Cup streak.

Had we won that match, India would not be in a position to boast about its 100% record against Pakistan in World Cups. It is by far the most humiliating record when it comes to Pakistan-India cricket history.

While Pakistan can boast about its superior H2H in Tests and ODIs, or the record win in the Champions Trophy Final, it is this “0” in World Cups that stands out. Imran was the first captain to put that “0” there.

Same thing could be said about Cronje’s SA choking in 99’ SF.

Is he directly responsible for the continuous chokes they have performed over the years?

NO.

And the WC record was not a big deal until after 2011, when India and Pakistan faced off in the SF.

 

[Mainul]

If we start playing in Pakistan, instead of anti-cricket-uae then our record will improve.

There is no doubt that (current) Indian test team is better than Pak test team.

We must factor in that Indian players play at home and their confidence is regularly boosted. On the other hand, Pak players have been playing in UAE and then they tour where we receive regular phaintas.

Almost everything has gone against Pak cricket since that coward terrorist attack against SL team.

Definitely the record will improve provided that Pakistan team is selected based on performances in domestics and in right combination. But I have a suspicion o er it as Misbah is I'm charge. He is continuing with a lot of players over aged 30,32, not picking young players who is in prime form.

 

[aukhan]

Imran started the tradition of losing against India in World cups. So when it really mattered he choked big time.

Btw Imran lost to the most weakest and pathetic indian side ever in world cup.