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Lol, amateur. Make it rhyme. Spectacular, sensational, superb, super, scorching, sumptuous, sexy, striking, seductive already taken and invalid.
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Lol, forgot that mostly because of two much use of 'Fab' word here these days.
Anyways, it's gonna be sensational six.
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Mediocrity of other players in your team doesn't make the pitches easier or the bowlers less lethal. If anything it adds to the pressure as you become the person to carry the burden of scoring runs and take the team out of trouble.
If you give Tendulkar example here, then [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] will change his logic.
By Mamoon's logic, Tendulkar performing in a weak team means he wasn't a top batsman.
Although many times, people have said his good performance in a weak team really amplifies his stature.
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QdK over Babar.)
Cut your parosi-bias and hate.
What makes you think that list is based on their batting performance, it can be on basis of their age also, it's not mentioned anywhere. Insecure folks.
Anyways, I don't see bias any if someone rates Qdk ahead of Babar at this point of time.
QDk has more ODI hundreds than Babar at much better strike rate. He is a wicket-keeper batsmen in tests and bats at 7 and yet has same number of test century as Babar. His test hundred in Australia was a superior one compare to Babar's. He also has a test hundred in India where his team was made to look minnows by the earth-shattering Indian team at home.
In T20s, Babar has excellent record but de kock considering his attacking game can't be undermined in this format as well. You don't really have to be bias, Indian and a hater to consider both at same level.
Bias would be to compare Babar Azam with say, Shreyas Iyer.
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It is safe to say that Babar Azam is the best batsman in the world according to OP's criteria. In fact, he's the best under-29 batsman in the world. If he keeps improving in test cricket and his performances in LOIs do not dip severely, he could go on to become Pakistan's greatest ever and an ATG.
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It was nice to see Azam Khan looking up to Babar Azam's batting as the benchmark and what he wants to do.
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Watch out for Will Young and Mark Chapman.
Especially excited for Mark Chapman, he clutched Auckland to a title win last week.
Especially excited for Mark Chapman, he clutched Auckland to a title win last week.
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Mark Chapman should have been tried at 3 in the absence of Williamson for the first 2 ODI's against India.
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He's been crazy good in domestic cricket but isn't get any chances because Williamson and Taylor are there. Only spot is Nicholls but he's scoring runs otherwise he would have been playing international cricket for a few years now. Really hope him and Will Young get chances because they're most likely the future of NZC and seem to be the obvious replacements for Kane and Taylor.
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It’s refreshing to see Pakistani batsmen being mentioned as the benchmark for batsmen of their generation - Babar Azam today and of course there is Hafeez but then to be fair the latter alongside Bradman and Sobers are the benchmark for great batsman of any generation.
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22 of 21 so far in his opening game for PSL 2020 Babar Azam
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Your bias is blatant when you use silly parameters to compare players. Why would you compare the number of centuries between De Kock and Babar when de Kock has played 44 more ODI's?
). If you were really interested in comparing the number of 100's scored, you would be better off comparing how many 100's were scored per innings... de Kock has a century per 7.86 innings wheras Babar has a century per 6.72 innings...You're also ignoring Babar averaging over 54 runs per game. That's almost 10 more runs than de Kock!
The fact that de Kock has the same number of Test centuries as Babar despite playing 32 more innings is not a positive for him. You are crearly deluded but your hatred for Pakistani players wont allow you to see Babar's greatness.
I would rank him only behind Smith and Kohli. Williamson/Root are fighting for the final spot in the Fab 4 but QdK doesn't come close to any of them.
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Your bias is blatant when you use silly parameters to compare players. Why would you compare the number of centuries between De Kock and Babar when de Kock has played 44 more ODI's?
You're also ignoring Babar averaging over 54 runs per game. That's almost 10 more runs than de Kock!
The fact that de Kock has the same number of Test centuries as Babar despite playing 32 more innings is not a positive for him. You are crearly deluded but your hatred for Pakistani players wont allow you to see Babar's greatness.
I would rank him only behind Smith and Kohli. Williamson/Root are fighting for the final spot in the Fab 4 but QdK doesn't come close to any of them.
Hahaha.. Delusion at its best. De Kock is a wicket keeper batsmen while Babar is a specialist. If we only compare the hundreds then Gilchrist has 15 hundreds at average of 45 compared to Clarke's 28 at AVG of 49. But anyone would rather pick Gilchrist in their team than Clarke. It's much harder to hit hundreds at 7 as keeper batsmen than specialist batters doing at 4 or 5.
Coming to ODI cricket, yes Babar has more average but strike rate also matters. Gilly averages only 35 with bat but is rated higher than say, Hayden who averages 44.
So, according to you and other posters in PP, just because Babar has higher average but lesser runs, lesser hundreds and lesser strike rate and de Kock also keeps gloves that makes Babar superior to him and me even comparing him with Qdk makes me a hater lol. Any comparisons with fab four is just hype propoganda right now. He should first focus on surpassing the South African best active batter, Qdk.
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If we are talking about League cricket
Babar Azam in PSL
35 innings 1121 runs 33.96 avge 116.77 strike rate
Kane williamson in IPL
41 innings 1302 runs 38.29 avge 135.06 strike rate
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Not that I agree with the poster you quoted but it's impossible to compare stats from IPL with stats of PSL. The playing conditions were very different between India and UAE.
Personnaly, regarding his comment, I think Smith is underrated in LOI's and if he plays regularly he will prove to be the best even in LOI's.
Am on about all leagues and internationally for example vitality also psl be played in uea were the score is below standards
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They don't regularly play T20. Someone like Kohli has to manage his workload given that he plays in all formats. Also guys like Smith/Kohli have longer test series like 4 test series, 5 test series. They play in the IPL. So they will continue skipping T20 internationals from time to time. Their stats should be taken with a context. Both can be really good when needed.
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Kohli's stats are already superb.
The problem is the underrating Smith has because of his T20I stats.
By the look of things he will play regularly till the T20 world cup so his stats should improve.
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yes he has done some crazy acceleration in death overs. Can look ugly. But mighty effective. He will be one of the most important part of Australia's T20 campaign more than we think. We think Maxwell, Stoinis, Warner, Finch will be the key. But i think Smith will be the key.
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That's completely biased way to look at it .Its u guys who are always bashing babar for Scoring on uae slow pitches in other 2 formats.
.We Should look at his psl stats from here on to see The real strike rate On true pitches
Babar Azam in It20 Excluding UAE
SENA + Pakistan
SR : 142. Average : 59.2. Runs : 942
In Vitality Blast
540+ runs With 150 SR And An Average of 54
And that's not small sample size its At least 40 + matches
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Hahaha.. Delusion at its best. De Kock is a wicket keeper batsmen while Babar is a specialist. If we only compare the hundreds then Gilchrist has 15 hundreds at average of 45 compared to Clarke's 28 at AVG of 49. But anyone would rather pick Gilchrist in their team than Clarke. It's much harder to hit hundreds at 7 as keeper batsmen than specialist batters doing at 4 or 5.
Coming to ODI cricket, yes Babar has more average but strike rate also matters. Gilly averages only 35 with bat but is rated higher than say, Hayden who averages 44.
So, according to you and other posters in PP, just because Babar has higher average but lesser runs, lesser hundreds and lesser strike rate and de Kock also keeps gloves that makes Babar superior to him and me even comparing him with Qdk makes me a hater lol. Any comparisons with fab four is just hype propoganda right now. He should first focus on surpassing the South African best active batter, Qdk.
Gilchrist will be picked over Clarke precisely because he is a keeper-batsman. Gilly as a specialist batsman would NOT be picked over Clarke by most people.
Its the same with Babar and de Kock. If the latter is playing purely as a batsman, I don't believe there will be many people in the world who would rank him ahead of Babar.
Nice try.
You have been completely owned in the post below. What are your thoughts after reading it?
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Not owned. Even by PSL standards his strike rate is low.
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Not owned. Even by PSL standards his strike rate is low. You have to look at it relatively. Bopara had a strike rate of 162.56 in the same vitality. What does that tell you? Delport 167, Morgan 168, Finch 167. Moeen ali 171,
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Gilchrist is better than Clarke as a batsman in LO easely and even in tests he is better.
QdK has done more Than Babar for the moment, especially in the most important format: Test cricket.
Not only hundreds count, in low scoring matches, important fifties value more than hundreds on flatter tracks.
QdK has many of those important fifties and have impacted many test matches so far. He is unfortunate to be part of the worst SA XI.
One thing that goes in Babar's favor is that QdK has played more tests.
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Kane when on song is a different level to Babar.
That innings he played against India in the recent T20 series was one of the best I've seen in the format.
He absolutely slaughtered Bumrah.
Babar from what I've seen is a player who can get you a solid base, but he's not an out and out match winner in T20s because he doesn't have a really strong power game. Kind of like Kane but then Kane has the odd game like this.
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I think we all can agree on one thing after. Seeing Babar Sr in recent Test matches ,His run a ball SR in odis and 140+ SR in T20 its safe to assume he naturally plays a free flowing game he might not win you matches on his own but Little support From One End ( bowling or batting) will be enough for him to win you matches.He Couldn't be more similar to Tendu then this
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Babar Azam is a benchmark for up coming Pakistan batsmen.
Williamson average is 33 at 125 in international
Babar average 50 at 128 international stats dont lie
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The definition of benchmark is that every other player in the world looks up to you. As long as there will be active players like Mr. Kohli and Mr. Smith, they will always be considered as benchmark of batting ( Kohli for all-round all formats combined and Smith for test cricket). Once they retire, the next big player who is expected or on the way to reach that level will be considered the next benchmark.
When Lara and Tendulkar used to play, thery were the benchmark. Dravid and Kallis weren't. It was when all these retired, the next big player(Sangakkara became a benchmark in test cricket while AB for LOIs for a shorter period).Kohli came and took over sooner while Smith made his own mark in tests.
When Lara and Tendulkar used to play, thery were the benchmark. Dravid and Kallis weren't. It was when all these retired, the next big player(Sangakkara became a benchmark in test cricket while AB for LOIs for a shorter period).Kohli came and took over sooner while Smith made his own mark in tests.
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Well put.
Babar is not becoming a benchmark until he eclipses Kohli and Smith, which at this stage of his career is unfair on him in-terms of expectations.
Did people read the first post?
The claim is he could be the benchmark for players his generations...Kohli, Smith, Root and Williamson are around 5 years older than him and have about 5 years more cricket under their belt. That is not Babar's generation.
Then you can clearly see the poster comparing to QDK (27), Iyer (25), Rahul (28) and a few others. Babar is 25. I think his only real competition from this gen is QDK, but QDK is nowhere near as consistent and as Babar improves his test game, he will only leave them further in the dust.
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Tom Latham is actually one of the best batsmen in his position and has come up with some big knocks to lead NZ to victories.
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Nvm, he's 28 and Babar is 25.
He can definitely be better than his contemporaries, though I’ll wait for couple more years but it’s true that there is no one with such potential around his age. But, to be benchmark is all together at a different level - you have to be someone that your contemporaries esteem to reach your level.
We are killing the crafts of this game and that’s evident in the stock of 25 & younger batting generation at the start of this decade. At present, it stands like Babar, Shaw, Labus, Markram, Kock, Iyer, Hetmyer, Hope .....
If had I ran that list 10 years back, it would have read - Abraham de Villiers, Kohli, Root, Smith, Williamson, Amla, Cook, Pujara, Tamim, Bravo, Angelo Mathews, Ross, Warner ....
20 years back - Ponting, Kallis, Sanga, YK, MoYo, Sehwag, Shiva, KP, Mahela..
30 years - BC, SRT, Anwar, De Silva, Hick, Inzi, Mark Waugh, Atherton, Thorpe, Taylor, Steve, Jones, Azhar ....
40 Years back - AB, Javed, GG, GG, Martin, Hughes, Gower, Vengsarkar, Roy Dias, Haynes......
50 years back - IVA Richards, GS Chappel, BA Richards, Gavaskar, GR Vishy, Zaheer, Mazid, Boycott, Rowe, Kali
60 Years back - Sir Gary, Rohan K, GPollock, IM Chappell, Cowdrey, Simpson, Lawry, Amiss ......
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Babar can definitely be better than his contemporaries, but to be the benchmark, he has to match the top 1-2-3 names of my list - he is still not there, potentially.
We are killing the crafts of this game and that’s evident in the stock of 25 & younger batting generation at the start of this decade. At present, it stands like Babar, Shaw, Labus, Markram, Kock, Iyer, Hetmyer, Hope .....
If had I ran that list 10 years back, it would have read - Abraham de Villiers, Kohli, Root, Smith, Williamson, Amla, Cook, Pujara, Tamim, Bravo, Angelo Mathews, Ross, Warner ....
20 years back - Ponting, Kallis, Sanga, YK, MoYo, Sehwag, Shiva, KP, Mahela..
30 years - BC, SRT, Anwar, De Silva, Hick, Inzi, Mark Waugh, Atherton, Thorpe, Taylor, Steve, Jones, Azhar ....
40 Years back - AB, Javed, GG, GG, Martin, Hughes, Gower, Vengsarkar, Roy Dias, Haynes......
50 years back - IVA Richards, GS Chappel, BA Richards, Gavaskar, GR Vishy, Zaheer, Mazid, Boycott, Rowe, Kali
60 Years back - Sir Gary, Rohan K, GPollock, IM Chappell, Cowdrey, Simpson, Lawry, Amiss ......
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Babar can definitely be better than his contemporaries, but to be the benchmark, he has to match the top 1-2-3 names of my list - he is still not there, potentially.
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Man outside Babar the U25 players have been pretty rubbish.
Too early to say much about Marnus.
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Babar Azam 43* off 31 at the moment
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56* at the moment - looks unstoppable
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Good opportunity for Abdullah Shafique in CP and even other young batsmen in other teams to try to learn from him.
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100 for the taking for Babar - makes it look so easy.
showed his class today. it appeared Shadab and him had a word in one of the earlier overs. then next two overs of Shadab he hit the first ball for six with ease. looked in command throughout and most of his boundaries were due to timing/placement not a brute force/slog like Fahim.
Never saw a 6 reaching gallery in national t20.....wheather Sharjeel or Asif or Abdullah.....only once of Haider Ali may be....but not many.....if the boundary rope had been not brought in by so much most them would have been catches...
Today Babar 's six reached the stands and it would be 6 no matter what the boundary size.....that's the difference between a great batsman and good batsman......superb timing.....
Abdullah should come in at oppening and babar at 3 to see how babar does coming in at 3
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Was batting with so much ease. Incredible!
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Dude is a beast. Inzi esque. Relatively speaking who was ahead when they were around the same age? Babar or Virat?
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Stats suggest Babar. He's ahead average wise in all formats. However Virat had played innings such as the 183 against PAK and against SL in hobart. Babar's 101* against NZ were arguably better innings than both of them though. One thing that goes in Babar's favour is that he's not had a disastrous tour like Kohli 2014 england or aane do series or even recently Kohli against NZ.
Virat was ahead but one thing Babar has over virat is that he had an excellent world cup which virat has'nt managed in 3 Gos
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Babar is a class batsman but more in mould of 90s batsman. He is more like Sachin. World class batsman surrounded with mediocrity. Babar neither has intensity like Kohli nor does have gears in batting like Rohit Sharma. Tell me Babar is best when he scores double centuries for fun in ODIs like Rohit. Tell me Babar is best when he plays clutch innings in chases like Kohli. I really don't understand on what basis he is already declared as a legend. Seems desperate to me.
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Fair enough. I rate test performances more but babar has been good there too. His support cast let's him down.
That's why its hard to compare players when one plays for a strong team and the other for a weaker side.
Babar is indeed special. From his peers withing his age group I think he is well ahead. I don't think Marnus will catch Babar or Rahul or QDK. Mayank is older.
Maybe from the new gen like Shaw, Gill etc but they are not ready yet.
Babar might be the best under 30. There are only 2 I would take above him at the moment.
Root nor Williamson are better than Babar to me.
ofocurse I am only talk about tests.
Babar is already better than them 2 in Odis
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KL Rahul is as talented or more than Virat in my opinion when it comes to stroke playing. He is very easy on eyes. However, he hasn't really showed any consistency to back my claim.
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I think there can be many players with bit more natural raw ingredients than some of the greats but that is only one aspect of the game. Temperament, attitude, will to improve and putting in the hard yards etc. are equally and sometimes more important traits that make the difference.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam’s class was unending. <br><br>Outclassed!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NationalT20?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NationalT20</a></p>— Muhammad Wasim (@MuhammadWasim77) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuhammadWasim77/status/1314562330877886469?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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68* off 40 today - making it look so easy
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This is what, I believe, they call cherry picking.
Anyways, let's do this:
Sharma is crap in tests. He can only dream of playing like Babar in tests.
Kohli has done Jack in ODI world cups. He is yet to play "clutch chasing innings" in a "real proper old school clutch game" (vs NZ in WC / Pak in CT) come to mind.
Again, both are legends for me.
Babar is younger than both and this damn virus has stopped little cricket Pak already play. He will only improve Insha'Allah.
Babar and Shaheen are the real deal mate, from the day of their debut.
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out for 86 Babar - was not out for same score yesterday 
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Legend? Sorry who declared him a legend as of yet? Rohit was averaging 29 odd in ODI cricket in close to 100 matches when he was the same age as Babar.
Anyways Babar is 25 and title of the thread is benchmark of his generation. Kohli, Rohit etc are not his generation so not sure whats point.
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Yes, and not to forget its just recently that Pak has started to play at home which makes a huge difference for any player or team.
Legend in the making. Miles ahead of everyone in his age group and is a phenom when you think he's atleast 3 to 4 years away from reaching a batsman's "peak" age. That's scary good. Is down to earth, and has that selfish streak and thirst for runs that all greats have. Needs to increase his strength which he's already working on and needs to impose more which he will. How captaincy will play a role remains to be seen but if he embraces it, he will be unstoppable.
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Covid, not playing at home, lack of fixtures, not being a member of a big 3 nation and pathetic senior journalists/youtubers have held back Babar a bit in terms of reputation and how he could be an even bigger deal in international cricket. I don't have an inch of doubt though that he'll be a legend In Sha Allah. The pride and face of Pakistan Cricket. Hopefully he's the cricketer of the 2020's.
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I'm not going to hype him as much as I used to. Despite the long lay off, he never quite lived up to reputation in the England series. Although it wasn't a bad series for him.
Going to wait and watch to see what he comes up with next in the international circuit - where he will ultimately be judged.
Going to wait and watch to see what he comes up with next in the international circuit - where he will ultimately be judged.
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Babar is doing very well, this is right time to reach no-1 spot.
Unfortunately we are missing international series.
Unfortunately we are missing international series.
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Kohli has dominated test series in Australia,South Africa, and England. Babar is never going to do that.
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Babar has many years still to do those things. Unless you have a time machine, best not to make these kind of statements
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Kohli plays for a strong top team and performed well.
Babar plays for a weaker side and performed well.
That's also a factor. Babar has time on his hands. I don't think he will be better than Kohli in shorter formats. Kohli is actually very clutch in T20. Only in odi semi final he struggled.
But in tests Babar can be as good as kohli. He is still young.
Babar plays for a weaker side and performed well.
That's also a factor. Babar has time on his hands. I don't think he will be better than Kohli in shorter formats. Kohli is actually very clutch in T20. Only in odi semi final he struggled.
But in tests Babar can be as good as kohli. He is still young.
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The lone Ranger
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Lol a hundred off 130 balls is never considered as good that too when chasing just 230 after getting a live. It would be a dream for azam to score 180+ against his arch rival at such young age and don't think he has the ability to chase 320 in just 35 overs and scoring 130 off 80 balls.
And nothing goes in babar's favour as he's had a few disastrous tour answell. Averaged 11 in Australia in 2016-17 where he kept getting out to Hazelwood almost everytime. and averaged 5 in 5 ODIs in newzealand in 2018 which is even worse than the aane do series . his first 20 tests itself a disastrous.
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Quite simpley the Greatest batsman in the world right now.
Ahead of Kohli.
Ahead of Warner
Ahead of Bairstow
And ahead of Kane.
Ahead of Kohli.
Ahead of Warner
Ahead of Bairstow
And ahead of Kane.
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All are coming for babar
Babar is the best under 30 player right now
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All are coming for babar
Babar is the best under 30 player right now
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India have Rahul, Agarwal and Iyer.
SA have Qdk.
Eng have Buttler.
NZ have Latham.
Aus have Labuschagne.
But none of them are going guns across all formats of the game. Clearly, Babar is the greatest under-30 batsmen in the world. The closest probably is Qdk who is a successful all format player.
However, it is unfair to already declare Babar better than a Root or Williamson as both are averaging better than Babar in tests and have 7k-8k test runs already in the kitty with performances across all formats.
SA have Qdk.
Eng have Buttler.
NZ have Latham.
Aus have Labuschagne.
But none of them are going guns across all formats of the game. Clearly, Babar is the greatest under-30 batsmen in the world. The closest probably is Qdk who is a successful all format player.
However, it is unfair to already declare Babar better than a Root or Williamson as both are averaging better than Babar in tests and have 7k-8k test runs already in the kitty with performances across all formats.
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You don't need a time machine to offer opinions. In my opinion he will not dominate series overseas in the manner which Kohli did. Hardly any Asian batters in history have done what Kohli did in those countries. So why should I expect Babar to do it lol?
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