[VIDEOS] Is Babar Azam the best all format batter in the world currently?

[Rajdeep]

When you jump in a discussion, try at least to know they contest of the discussion.

This was about ODI's. Now try again.

But Starc, Cummins & Hazelwood didn't even play the ODIs. Australian bowling attack was Behrendorff, Green, Ellis & Zampa.

 

[Ab Fan]

If you are looking for a meek and timid statistician delight, Babar is a perfect man for this. But if you are looking for an out and out match winner, then Pant is the best test batsman among the U-30 age group of batsman. His impact is two levels higher than anyone of his age.

 

[Mobashir]

Did you not watch Rishabh Pant bat in Brisbane?

When you jump in a discussion, try at least to know they contest of the discussion.

This was about ODI's. Now try again.

 

[Mobashir]

But Starc, Cummins & Hazelwood didn't even play the ODIs. Australian bowling attack was Behrendorff, Green, Ellis & Zampa.

Read the discussion. I am not the one asking about dominating these bowlers. I was answering someone.

 

[oatmeal]

There are always a lot of subjective things to consider while labelling someone the best , but Babar is in the top 3 without doubt

 

[shamaan]

But Starc, Cummins & Hazelwood didn't even play the ODIs. Australian bowling attack was Behrendorff, Green, Ellis & Zampa.

Babar has scored a 100 against Australia front line bowlers.

 

[shamaan]

If you are looking for a meek and timid statistician delight, Babar is a perfect man for this. But if you are looking for an out and out match winner, then Pant is the best test batsman among the U-30 age group of batsman. His impact is two levels higher than anyone of his age.

I expect a match winner to atleast have an average of 35+

 

[shaz619]

If you are looking for a meek and timid statistician delight, Babar is a perfect man for this. But if you are looking for an out and out match winner, then Pant is the best test batsman among the U-30 age group of batsman. His impact is two levels higher than anyone of his age.

Meek and timid statistician delight = Sachin Tendulkar

 

[sweep_shot]

I think Babar is the best batter in the world currently (all 3 formats combined).

Kohli and Smith have declined. Root is more of a Test specialist.

 

[Ab Fan]

Meek and timid statistician delight = Sachin Tendulkar

Tendulkar is one of the greatest batsman to have ever lived up post Bradman. He is a giant of the game and an icon of the sports, very much in the league of Lionel Messi.

 

[Rana]

Babar has scored a 100 against Australia front line bowlers.

That was the infamous hundred where Babar declared his intent as the selfish accumulator

It just supports the argument that he cannot play for the team but can play for personal milestones when it matters.

Babar has one commendable hundred and that too against NZ in the WC. The 70 ball ton was good but how much criticism did he have to suffer for him to finally wake up?

From now, we will see if Babar truly has matured into this player who is willing to sacrifice his 60 average for the sake of the team. The expectations from him to deliver like the clutch players from the big 3 are humongous, he can’t escape criticism like he could in the past due to other senior players doing the bulk of the hard work for him!

 

[Rana]

Meek and timid statistician delight = Sachin Tendulkar

Sachin in his twilight was class as an ODI opener

He used to strike at 95-100 whilst Sehwag was going at 130-150

 

[Mobashir]

He really batted like a champion in all three formats in this series.

Surely you can pick things he could have done better but that's always the case with everyone.

In tests the pitches were a easy to bat on but he still did well even when the conditions were difficult. In LOIs australian attack was poor but that's not in his hands.

It's fullish to not put Babar in your top 3 all format batsmen going around.
There is a sort of concensus going around that he is THE best.

 

[Slim]

Tendulkar is one of the greatest batsman to have ever lived up post Bradman. He is a giant of the game and an icon of the sports, very much in the league of Lionel Messi.

He was mostly a stat padder similar to Messi. Wasnt ronaldo level champion player.

 

[ChTab]

He really batted like a champion in all three formats in this series.

And that champion at one stage in this T20 match vs Australia was playing at a S/R of less than 100 inside the powerplay which was instrumental in setting up under par score at a good batting surface.

Also there's nothing champion about his innings in the 1st ODI which was on the same level as Misbah's semi final knock in Mohali.

But yeah he did good, I wanted him to score at least 2 centuries in test matches this series.

 

[Mobashir]

And that champion at one stage in this T20 match vs Australia was playing at a S/R of less than 100 inside the powerplay which was instrumental in setting up under par score at a good batting surface.

Also there's nothing champion about his innings in the 1st ODI which was on the same level as Misbah's semi final knock in Mohali.

But yeah he did good, I wanted him to score at least 2 centuries in test matches this series.

So I checked when was Babar playing at a SR under 100. I thought it didn't happen, but actually you are right. At the end of the first over he was on 2 from 3 balls. That's a SR of 66. Criminal in a T20.
So super analysis from you. But in other news, at the end of the power play, we were at 6 overs 56/0 so we could have made any score from here had we batted well.

Now coming to the innings in the first ODI. Not a that good innings, but when he left the crease, Pakistan required another
194 from 26 overs with 8 wickets in hand. That's a RRR of 7.46 witch isn't THAT hard over 26 overs.
Comparing it to Misbah's innings in Mohali is totally fair . Misbah was at the crease till the end and even hitting sixes every ball wasn't enough.

You are either a hater, like many here either someone who doesn't know cricket well enough yet.

 

[MenInG]

Babar Azam on Australia's tour of Pakistan:

Tests:
36 (82)
36 (79)
196 (425)
67 (131)
55 (104)

ODIs:
57 (72)
114 (83)
105* (115)

T20I:
66 (46)

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He's smashing it in the 3 main formats but wasn't selected for the 4th format- 'the 100'

 

[Mobashir]

Babar has gone to number 15 on the all time ODI rankings.

He has surpassed greats of the pasts like Sachin and Bevan and also modern day good openers like Sharma and Warner.

Till where can he go?

 

[MHN1293]

Babar has gone to number 15 on the all time ODI rankings.View attachment 115585

He has surpassed greats of the pasts like Sachin and Bevan and also modern day good openers like Sharma and Warner.

Till where can he go?

Needs one more good series to break into the top 10

 

[Saj]

Babar Azam's ICC rankings:

1 in ODIs
1 in T20Is
5 in Tests

He is currently the only batter ranked in the top 10 in all 3 formats

 

[Rellu_Katta]

how i wish he was 1 in TESTs ... that would have been just amazing

 

[James]

how i wish he was 1 in TESTs ... that would have been just amazing

Looks like he is on the right trajectory.

Imo he is a better bat than Marnus, he is at least as good as Root, and soon he will go past both.

 

[James]

Babar Azam's ICC rankings:

1 in ODIs
1 in T20Is
5 in Tests

He is currently the only batter ranked in the top 10 in all 3 formats

Best all round batter in world cricket it seems.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

how i wish he was 1 in TESTs ... that would have been just amazing

Pakistan have to play more cricket for him to consistently score daddy 100s.

PCB must be proactive with their schedules.

 

[ChTab]

So I checked when was Babar playing at a SR under 100. I thought it didn't happen, but actually you are right. At the end of the first over he was on 2 from 3 balls. That's a SR of 66. Criminal in a T20.

Kindly check again Babar was on 12 facing 12 deliveries at the end of 3rd over just before he hit that new Aussie bowler Ellis for 3 fours in an over & yes it is criminal to play at a S/R of 100 in a T20 game that too in Powerplay. I was his admirer when he used to bat in T20's at a higher S/R during the powerplay.

Now coming to the innings in the first ODI. Not a that good innings, but when he left the crease, Pakistan required another
194 from 26 overs with 8 wickets in hand. That's a RRR of 7.46 witch isn't THAT hard over 26 overs.
Comparing it to Misbah's innings in Mohali is totally fair ������. Misbah was at the crease till the end and even hitting sixes every ball wasn't enough.

When Babar arrived the RRR was around 6.5 & when he left the RRR was 7.46 which causes a massive difference.
Also Misbah played that innings vs a good & experienced bowling line up in a massive semi final, Babar played that knock vs Aus C side at almost same S/R which Misbah was bashed for.

You are either a hater, like many here either someone who doesn't know cricket well enough yet.

I am not a hater I appreciate him always when he does something which is worth appreciating like his 196 in Karachi test or his century in 2nd ODI. I am not like you or most of his fans who are happy to live in mediocrity or the ones who only want Babar to perform & don't care whether Pakistan wins or loose because of Babar's performances.

 

[Mobashir]

Looks like he is on the right trajectory.

Imo he is a better bat than Marnus, he is at least as good as Root, and soon he will go past both.

Babar isn't at Root' level in tests these days. It will be unfair to Root who has been out of this world last year in the format.
Babar surely can do as well as him and maybe even better but so far Root is better in test cricket even on current form.

 

[Ab Fan]

He was mostly a stat padder similar to Messi. Wasnt ronaldo level champion player.

Ronaldo is not comparable to Messi.. It is like comparing Rizwan to Babar..

 

[Mobashir]

Kindly check again Babar was on 12 facing 12 deliveries at the end of 3rd over just before he hit that new Aussie bowler Ellis for 3 fours in an over & yes it is criminal to play at a S/R of 100 in a T20 game that too in Powerplay. I was his admirer when he used to bat in T20's at a higher S/R during the powerplay.


When Babar arrived the RRR was around 6.5 & when he left the RRR was 7.46 which causes a massive difference.
Also Misbah played that innings vs a good & experienced bowling line up in a massive semi final, Babar played that knock vs Aus C side at almost same S/R which Misbah was bashed for.



I am not a hater I appreciate him always when he does something which is worth appreciating like his 196 in Karachi test or his century in 2nd ODI. I am not like you or most of his fans who are happy to live in mediocrity or the ones who only want Babar to perform & don't care whether Pakistan wins or loose because of Babar's performances.

- You said Babar's slow start was the reason we couldn't made a big score. Even then we were at 3 overs 22/0. So from there you can't make a big score?
And then Babar brought the score to 6 overs 56/0.
You can't make a big score from there?
You have lost it mate.

- I myslef don't rate his fifty in the first ODI. So, no, I don't always support him. But he didn't lost the match at all. A RRR of 7.46 for 25 overs with 8 wickets in hand is more than achievable in modern day cricket.

You want him to win you every match, but that isn't possible.

As someone said, had he not been there :
2- 0 in tests, with nearly no fight in the last 2 tests.
2-1 in ODI'S
1-0 in T20's with a score around 130.

 

[PakPremi]

So I checked when was Babar playing at a SR under 100. I thought it didn't happen, but actually you are right. At the end of the first over he was on 2 from 3 balls. That's a SR of 66. Criminal in a T20.
So super analysis from you. But in other news, at the end of the power play, we were at 6 overs 56/0 so we could have made any score from here had we batted well.

Now coming to the innings in the first ODI. Not a that good innings, but when he left the crease, Pakistan required another
194 from 26 overs with 8 wickets in hand. That's a RRR of 7.46 witch isn't THAT hard over 26 overs.
Comparing it to Misbah's innings in Mohali is totally fair ������. Misbah was at the crease till the end and even hitting sixes every ball wasn't enough.

You are either a hater, like many here either someone who doesn't know cricket well enough yet.

He is just a hater. I told him in the commentry thread you cannot pick strike rate over by over, an over balled by a bowler could be so good that you play it as maiden or hardly ger couple runs, as long as you try to makeup fot it in next over you face. Finch played manyovers where he did not score much but he made up for those. Babar can score a fastest T20 100 or a triple century some agenda driven posters will find excuses to criticise those too. First it was due to bottom level teams , but now he scores 196 against the best test team but he still is not good enough.

 

[shaz619]

Across all forms no one else is better

 

[AdnanDuhdra]

Babar need to make his game further and aim high because he is such a outstanding player, he can be a goat and if he can perform for 5-6 years like this Aussie tour then certainly.

 

[TheSultan]

Babar is doing well but please fellow Pakistanis, let’s not become india and start celebrating only babar’s stats like they did with Tendulkar.

Time for us to break this last 10 years stats obsessed pakistani mentality.

Let’s win some stuff please

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Pakistan have to play more cricket for him to consistently score daddy 100s.

PCB must be proactive with their schedules.

True.. and Babar needs to understand that he needs to score big big big 100z at home... everyone boosts their records with home batting

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Looks like he is on the right trajectory.

Imo he is a better bat than Marnus, he is at least as good as Root, and soon he will go past both.

needs to bat bat n bat...

 

[shamaan]

Yes he's currently the best batter in the world but he needs to win player of the series awards in tests.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Think the best way to judge a player is by splitting up the formats. There isn't anyone currently who is equally good in all formats. Smith during 2015-2018 and Kohli from 2014-2019 were the only two batters in recent memory who were doing exceptionally well in all 3 formats.

Babar needs to do a lot more in Tests to become among the best batters. He doesn't score enough 100s in Tests and his pacing of innings in tests and batting with the tail leaves a lot to be desired. We could have easily given WI a bigger target to chase had Babar started going for his shots in the first test match last year. Smith has been in scratchy form in all formats for the first time in his career since becoming a batter. He can't pace his innings well enough in t20is now as has been evident from his last 2 years and feels more like a misfit. Even though he's been scoring runs in tests, he isn't scoring hundreds like he used to. Kohli on the other hand, still scores fifties with ease but hasn't been able to score 100s like he was till 2019. Joe Root hasn't played LOI in a long time but is bossing the tests like no other for last year and a half. Kane Williamson has been brilliant in tests but has slowed down in both ODIs and t20is and his SR has fallen down in recent years. Plus injuries haven't helped him.

So in all, there isn't a real all format batter currently in the world.

 

[Mobashir]

Think the best way to judge a player is by splitting up the formats. There isn't anyone currently who is equally good in all formats. Smith during 2015-2018 and Kohli from 2014-2019 were the only two batters in recent memory who were doing exceptionally well in all 3 formats.

Babar needs to do a lot more in Tests to become among the best batters. He doesn't score enough 100s in Tests and his pacing of innings in tests and batting with the tail leaves a lot to be desired. We could have easily given WI a bigger target to chase had Babar started going for his shots in the first test match last year. Smith has been in scratchy form in all formats for the first time in his career since becoming a batter. He can't pace his innings well enough in t20is now as has been evident from his last 2 years and feels more like a misfit. Even though he's been scoring runs in tests, he isn't scoring hundreds like he used to. Kohli on the other hand, still scores fifties with ease but hasn't been able to score 100s like he was till 2019. Joe Root hasn't played LOI in a long time but is bossing the tests like no other for last year and a half. Kane Williamson has been brilliant in tests but has slowed down in both ODIs and t20is and his SR has fallen down in recent years. Plus injuries haven't helped him.

So in all, there isn't a real all format batter currently in the world.

Strange I read 6 fifties in last 30 test match innings for Kohli.
That's scoring 50's with ease maybe.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Currently he is the best in the world but the bar is very low as Kohli and Smith are out of touch, Root was never an all format player same goes for Williamson.

Actually three out of fab 4 were never really all format players, Smith is of no use in t20s, Root again isn't even selected, Williamson is too slow.

 

[arif_2021]

Currently he is the best in the world but the bar is very low as Kohli and Smith are out of touch, Root was never an all format player same goes for Williamson.

Actually three out of fab 4 were never really all format players, Smith is of no use in t20s, Root again isn't even selected, Williamson is too slow.

exactly, and thats what 's amazing.
hes able to modify his game according to situation and format.

never in a million years i would have thought he could occupy crease for 2 days as he did

 

[Mesozoic]

There's no one else in the world who's as consistent as him in all the three formats but there's always the other side of the coin that gets overlooked.

Would you really pick Babar in a Test match over Smith, Root, Labu, Karunaratne, Elgar, Williamson , Rohit, Conway etc?

Over Butler, Bairstow, Warner, De Kock, in a T20i. Heck even Rizwan has been better than him for a long time.

Only format where he has a genuine top 3 claim is the ODIs and even there's a big elephant in the room of his stats being inflated by playing way too many games (proportionately) against under strength bowling attacks or.... Zimbabwe. He has only two 'top quality' knocks in his best format.. (one against NZ in the WC and the other against a gun SAF bowling attack last year).


Still a long way to go before he gets the "Best batsman in the world" tag but he's well on his way.

 

[TheSultan]

There's no one else in the world who's as consistent as him in all the three formats but there's always the other side of the coin that gets overlooked.

Would you really pick Babar in a Test match over Smith, Root, Labu, Karunaratne, Elgar, Williamson , Rohit, Conway etc?

Over Butler, Bairstow, Warner, De Kock, in a T20i. Heck even Rizwan has been better than him for a long time.

Only format where he has a genuine top 3 claim is the ODIs and even there's a big elephant in the room of his stats being inflated by playing way too many games (proportionately) against under strength bowling attacks or.... Zimbabwe. He has only two 'top quality' knocks in his best format.. (one against NZ in the WC and the other against a gun SAF bowling attack last year).


Still a long way to go before he gets the "Best batsman in the world" tag but he's well on his way.

I think this all format stuff is rubbish anyway, but some of the names you mentioned. Tests: Elgar? Rohit? Conway is just early on in his career too.

T20is I agree don’t think he’s a good player in the format

 

[Mesozoic]

I think this all format stuff is rubbish anyway, but some of the names you mentioned. Tests: Elgar? Rohit? Conway is just early on in his career too.

T20is I agree don’t think he’s a good player in the format

Elgar might not have the stats (due to him opening regularly in extremely challenging conditions) but he's been quite good in the second half of his career. Got hundreds in Aus, India, NZ and played quite a few handy knocks in tough home conditions.

Rohit has been phenomenal since he started opening.Averages 55 since 2019 despite playing zero number of games on batting friendly wickets. Also had a potential series winning performance in England.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan skipper Babar Azam overtakes Sachin Tendulkar in all-time ICC ODI batters' rankings list

Pakistan captain Babar Azam was on song against Australia in the three-match ODI series. The 27-year-old scored back-to-back hundreds in the second and third ODIs against Aaron Finch-led Australia. Because of his rich form, the world's number one batter has now surpassed Indian batting legend, Sachin Tendulkar, in the ICC’s all-time ODI batter rankings.

Pakistan skipper Babar Azam is the man in form at the moment. The 27-year-old recently featured in the all-format series against Australia and was amongst the highest run-getters in all three formats. With 390 runs in five innings of three Tests, Babar finished as the third highest run getter in the three-match series, which went in the visitors' favour after they beat the Azam-led side by 115 runs in the final Test played at Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore.

In the following three-match ODI series, Babar continued his ace form and scored two back-to-back hundreds in the second and third game to help the Men in Green chase down the target and win the series by a margin of 2-1. He finished as the second highest run getter in the ODI series and scored 276 runs in three innings.

And then in the one-off T20I as well, which was played in the same venue in Lahore, Babar top scored with a 46-ball 66 but couldn’t help the side beat the defending T20 World Cup winners.
Because of his rich form in the white-ball series against Australia, the world's number one ODI batter has now surpassed legendary Indian cricketer Sachin Tendulkar in the list of all-time ICC ODI Batters Rankings.

With 891 rating points to his name, the Pakistani skipper is now in the 15th spot in the all-time list and has replaced the leading run getter in ODI and Test match cricket history. Tendulkar was 15th on the list last week with 887 rating points.
West Indies great Sir Viv Richards is in the first position with 935 rating points and is followed by Pakistani legend Zaheer Abbas (931), former Australian skipper Greg Chappell (921), Englishman David Gower (919) and Australia’s Dean Jones (918). Former Indian skipper Virat Kohli is in the sixth spot with 911 rating points under his belt.

Here’s the complete list:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Babar Azam has moved up to 15th position in the ICC All-Time ODI Batting Rankings <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/2T6HZTZhT4">pic.twitter.com/2T6HZTZhT4</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1511752006700085261?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Babar, who is currently in the 15th spot, could soon enter the top ten list if he continues his purple patch in the upcoming series, where Pakistan is scheduled to play West Indies and the Netherlands in the ODI matches.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...cc-odi-batters-rankings-list-article-90713041

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Currently he is the best in the world but the bar is very low as Kohli and Smith are out of touch, Root was never an all format player same goes for Williamson.

Actually three out of fab 4 were never really all format players, Smith is of no use in t20s, Root again isn't even selected, Williamson is too slow.

Currently Babar Azam is the best all format cricketer in the world.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Currently Babar Azam is the best all format cricketer in the world.

That would be Jasprit Bumrah from Mumbai Indians. Considering he is way ahead of Babar in the premier format and easily the best all format bowler in the world.

 

[arif_2021]

That would be Jasprit Bumrah from Mumbai Indians. Considering he is way ahead of Babar in the premier format and easily the best all format bowler in the world.

What premier format? The ipl?with 7 Indian domestic cricketers that no one knows?

Lol

Remind me What happened in 2020 World Cup? Where you did your full premier tournament skills go?

152-0

 

[Mobashir]

There's no one else in the world who's as consistent as him in all the three formats but there's always the other side of the coin that gets overlooked.

Would you really pick Babar in a Test match over Smith, Root, Labu, Karunaratne, Elgar, Williamson , Rohit, Conway etc?

Over Butler, Bairstow, Warner, De Kock, in a T20i. Heck even Rizwan has been better than him for a long time.

Only format where he has a genuine top 3 claim is the ODIs and even there's a big elephant in the room of his stats being inflated by playing way too many games (proportionately) against under strength bowling attacks or.... Zimbabwe. He has only two 'top quality' knocks in his best format.. (one against NZ in the WC and the other against a gun SAF bowling attack last year).


Still a long way to go before he gets the "Best batsman in the world" tag but he's well on his way.

Welcome to the world of Babar Azam.

There is no batsman coming next to him right now in ODI's.
His averages near 100 with a strike rake over 100 this decade. He is unfortunate to haven't played more in this covid hit period.
His current ranking is at number 15 in the all time rankings, so how can someone else be better than him currently.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Strange I read 6 fifties in last 30 test match innings for Kohli.
That's scoring 50's with ease maybe.

Was talking about fifties in LOIs regarding Kohli who definitely has faced a decline but is still very good.

 

[Mobashir]

There's no one else in the world who's as consistent as him in all the three formats but there's always the other side of the coin that gets overlooked.

Would you really pick Babar in a Test match over Smith, Root, Labu, Karunaratne, Elgar, Williamson , Rohit, Conway etc?

Over Butler, Bairstow, Warner, De Kock, in a T20i. Heck even Rizwan has been better than him for a long time.

Only format where he has a genuine top 3 claim is the ODIs and even there's a big elephant in the room of his stats being inflated by playing way too many games (proportionately) against under strength bowling attacks or.... Zimbabwe. He has only two 'top quality' knocks in his best format.. (one against NZ in the WC and the other against a gun SAF bowling attack last year).


Still a long way to go before he gets the "Best batsman in the world" tag but he's well on his way.

Nowadays, everyone will pick babar in tests and ODI'S over any player you mentionned.

 

[light]

Sure, if we look at each format individually, other players could outperform him but there really isn't anyone better that's outperforming him if you combine all 3 formats. If Virat Kohli was in his prime form, it would not be a debate, but honestly, some of y'all need to learn to give your players credit where it's due.

He is doing an excellent job with the bat in all 3 formats. It's nice to see a talented player finally bloom and show his true potential.

 

[Mesozoic]

Welcome to the world of Babar Azam.

There is no batsman coming next to him right now in ODI's.
His averages near 100 with a strike rake over 100 this decade. He is unfortunate to haven't played more in this covid hit period.
His current ranking is at number 15 in the all time rankings, so how can someone else be better than him currently.

Because sometimes.. well most of the times, there is much more to it than just the 'stats' and rankings. If we go purely by 'stats', Rashid and Mujeeb are like the two best ODI spinners of all time but it doesn't work that way. And you know it too.

Of course, it's not the player's fault that they play too much against sub par attacks but there will always be an asterisk beside their numbers and rightly so.

 

[Mesozoic]

Nowadays, everyone will pick babar in tests and ODI'S over any player you mentionned.

No they wouldn't. Babar was mediocre in tests for a good period of time. He just had one good series on some of the flattest test wickets seen in the last decade. Long way to go before he overtakes Smith, Dimuth, Kane... let alone Root.

 

[Mobashir]

Because sometimes.. well most of the times, there is much more to it than just the 'stats' and rankings. If we go purely by 'stats', Rashid and Mujeeb are like the two best ODI spinners of all time but it doesn't work that way. And you know it too.

Of course, it's not the player's fault that they play too much against sub par attacks but there will always be an asterisk beside their numbers and rightly so.

I see what you mean.
Could you tell me the name of the best odi batsman in the last decade according to you?

 

[Mesozoic]

I see what you mean.
Could you tell me the name of the best odi batsman in the last decade according to you?

If by 'last decade' you mean 2010-19, then it's one of ABD Or Kohli.

 

[Pakhs]

If by 'last decade' you mean 2010-19, then it's one of ABD Or Kohli.

Well Babar still does not average 50 in tests and until then he cant be considered a great test batsman. Regarding best across formats at least on form yes currently he is the best (not great across all formats). Overall for a long period it was AB closely followed by Kohli however one is retired and another does not even average 50 in tests anymore and also struggling in LOI formats and not played a match winning innings for a little while.

 

[Mobashir]

If by 'last decade' you mean 2010-19, then it's one of ABD Or Kohli.

Would you list me Kohli's best 10 odi innings pls.

 

[Mesozoic]

Would you list me Kohli's best 10 odi innings pls.

Tough to pick 10. Will probably miss 2-3 of his other great knocks.

183 against Pak in Asia Cup - Dhaka, 2012

160 against South Africa - Cape town 2018

130 odd blitzkrieg against Sri Lanka - Hobart, 2012

51 ball hundred against Australia - Jaipur, 2013

150 against New Zealand , chasing 280 plus - Mohali, 2016

100 against Sri Lanka when we were 100/4 chasing 260 something - Colombo, 2012

Hundred Against England in his first game as full time captain when we were 60/4 chasing 350 plus - Pune, 2017

120 odd against New Zealand (albeit in a losing cause) - Napier, 2014

Big hundred against South Africa on a tacky wicket - Chennai, 2015

Hundred against South Africa chasing a big total - Durban, 2018

100 off 60 balls against Australia - Nagpur, 2013.


As I said , may have missed a few. Please feel free to add.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Because sometimes.. well most of the times, there is much more to it than just the 'stats' and rankings. If we go purely by 'stats', Rashid and Mujeeb are like the two best ODI spinners of all time but it doesn't work that way. And you know it too.

Of course, it's not the player's fault that they play too much against sub par attacks but there will always be an asterisk beside their numbers and rightly so.

If not stats and rankings then what is it? You are also taking help of stats to list out his 10 innings. How many of these innings came in World Cups or knock out matches of ICC tournaments? I am sure by 'there is much more to it than...' you meant exactly this?

Tough to pick 10. Will probably miss 2-3 of his other great knocks.

183 against Pak in Asia Cup - Dhaka, 2012

160 against South Africa - Cape town 2018

130 odd blitzkrieg against Sri Lanka - Hobart, 2012

51 ball hundred against Australia - Jaipur, 2013

150 against New Zealand , chasing 280 plus - Mohali, 2016

100 against Sri Lanka when we were 100/4 chasing 260 something - Colombo, 2012

Hundred Against England in his first game as full time captain when we were 60/4 chasing 350 plus - Pune, 2017

120 odd against New Zealand (albeit in a losing cause) - Napier, 2014

Big hundred against South Africa on a tacky wicket - Chennai, 2015

Hundred against South Africa chasing a big total - Durban, 2018

100 off 60 balls against Australia - Nagpur, 2013.


As I said , may have missed a few. Please feel free to add.

 

[Mesozoic]

If not stats and rankings then what is it? You are also taking help of stats to list out his 10 innings. How many of these innings came in World Cups or knock out matches of ICC tournaments? I am sure by 'there is much more to it than...' you meant exactly this?

Lol. I just listed his best knocks as asked by Mobashir. How does it equate to talking about stats and rankings? Classic case of an emotional straw man argument.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol. I just listed his best knocks as asked by Mobashir. How does it equate to talking about stats and rankings? Classic case of an emotional straw man argument.

You deliberately skipped my question. What did you mean by there is more it than stats and rankings? You have a habit of making stupid arguments and then getting owned everytime.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Kholi WAS
Babar IS

end of story

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Kholi WAS
Babar IS

end of story

 

[Mesozoic]

You deliberately skipped my question. What did you mean by there is more it than stats and rankings? You have a habit of making stupid arguments and then getting owned everytime.

I skipped it because it's a stupid question which made no sense in the context of this discussion (as most of your emotional grievances).

I just listed Kohli's best knocks (in my opinion) and you started rambling about stats and rankings. Now tell me what does an individual batting innings have to do with rankings and numbers?

 

[Mesozoic]

What did you mean by there is more it than stats and rankings?

Stats in isolation don't paint the full picture most of the times. Anyone with a functioning lump in their head can grasp this simple basic fact.

Imam ul Haq has superior "stats", but even Pakistani fans won't pick him over Dhawan, Warner , De kock etc.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Stats in isolation don't paint the full picture most of the times. Anyone with a functioning lump in their head can grasp this simple basic fact.

Imam ul Haq has superior "stats", but even Pakistani fans won't pick him over Dhawan, Warner , De kock etc.

I am pretty sure if we were talking about an Indian player here you wouldn't have come up with these theories lol. Pakistanis can also say the same about Sachin too or maybe some of them actually did and now you are just returning the favour.

 

[Mesozoic]

I am pretty sure if we were talking about an Indian player here you wouldn't have come up with these theories lol. Pakistanis can also say the same about Sachin too or maybe some of them actually did and now you are just returning the favour.

Nothing to add to the discussion. Thought so.

Cheers!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Nothing to add to the discussion. Thought so.

Cheers!

I threw Sachin's name which was enough to keep you out of discussion? Your theories are not making any sense now. Cheers.

 

[Mesozoic]

I threw Sachin's name which was enough to keep you out of discussion? Your theories are not making any sense now. Cheers.

You didn't "throw" Sachin anywhere lol.

He didn't score 3/4th of his ODI hundreds against low tier and third string bowling attacks. Try harder.

 

[Mesozoic]

Just can't understand how anyone can draw a parallel between SRT and all these new age kids.

A teenage Tendulkar had 4 Test hundreds in Australian, English and South African conditions. You have to be truly dumb and bitter to downplay a guy who dominated bowling attacks for more than 2 decades.

 

[shamaan]

There's no one else in the world who's as consistent as him in all the three formats but there's always the other side of the coin that gets overlooked.

Would you really pick Babar in a Test match over Smith, Root, Labu, Karunaratne, Elgar, Williamson , Rohit, Conway etc?

Over Butler, Bairstow, Warner, De Kock, in a T20i. Heck even Rizwan has been better than him for a long time.

Only format where he has a genuine top 3 claim is the ODIs and even there's a big elephant in the room of his stats being inflated by playing way too many games (proportionately) against under strength bowling attacks or.... Zimbabwe. He has only two 'top quality' knocks in his best format.. (one against NZ in the WC and the other against a gun SAF bowling attack last year).


Still a long way to go before he gets the "Best batsman in the world" tag but he's well on his way.

Most people would pick Babar ahead Rohit,Elgar and how old is Karunaratne and whats his average?

Babar is better than Labu.

 

[shamaan]

That would be Jasprit Bumrah from Mumbai Indians. Considering he is way ahead of Babar in the premier format and easily the best all format bowler in the world.

Cummings is the best he scored fastest 50 in the best league in the world.

 

[Mesozoic]

Most people would pick Babar ahead Rohit,Elgar and how old is Karunaratne and whats his average?

Babar is better than Labu.

Elgar may be touch and go but Rohit and Dimuth are better Test batters than Babar on current form. One good series on flat roads doesn't make Babar better than them, who have scored in challenging conditions.

And no Babar isn't better than Labu lol.

 

[shamaan]

Elgar may be touch and go but Rohit and Dimuth are better Test batters than Babar on current form. One good series on flat roads doesn't make Babar better than them, who have scored in challenging conditions.

And no Babar isn't better than Labu lol.

You just stated one good series for Babar but then you said on current form ?

Karunaratne averages less than 40 and he's proberly same age as fawad alam.he also averages less than 20 in Australia less than 35 in England and India.

 

[silentkiller187]

Elgar may be touch and go but Rohit and Dimuth are better Test batters than Babar on current form. One good series on flat roads doesn't make Babar better than them, who have scored in challenging conditions.

And no Babar isn't better than Labu lol.

In the last 5 seasons Karunaratne has outperformed Babar once, average wise not sure how we are claiming he is better than Babar, personal opinion is one thing but lets try and avoid bias.

 

[Mesozoic]

You just stated one good series for Babar but then you said on current form ?

Karunaratne averages less than 40 and he's proberly same age as fawad alam.he also averages less than 20 in Australia less than 35 in England and India.

Current form = Sample size of last 1/2 years.

Last 2 years, Dimuth averages 53 while Babar averages 47. DK scored two brilliant hundreds in South Africa and India in that time frame. That's twice the number of away hundreds Babar scored in his entire Test career.

 

[Mesozoic]

In the last 5 seasons Karunaratne has outperformed Babar once, average wise not sure how we are claiming he is better than Babar, personal opinion is one thing but lets try and avoid bias.

I said current form. Read the post above.

 

[silentkiller187]

I said current form. Read the post above.

Current as in this season? what are their numbers please? like i said 1 good season he has had last year but good use of skewing stats

 

[Mesozoic]

Current as in this season? what are their numbers please? like i said 1 good season he has had last year but good use of skewing stats

What part of 'last 2 years' is making it tough for you to grasp? That's a pretty big sample size.

 

[silentkiller187]

What part of 'last 2 years' is making it tough for you to grasp? That's a pretty big sample size.

Im struggling with the concept whereby 2 years ago is deemed as current form. Current season is not 2 years ago, it is what is happening in the present i.e this season.

Based on current form Babar > Karunaratne