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[VIDEOS]Mohammad Haris over Iftikhar Ahmed - Should Pakistan make that choice in white-ball cricket?

apnapind said:
Should pakistan play mohammed harris instead of ifti looking at his form in lpl?
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Haris for me is a perfect No 7. He likes to attack from the get go, and can improve in the future since he is young. Iftikhar's time is up I'm afraid.
 
Haris has just started batting in the middle order. Iftikhar has been a middle order batter for majority of his career. Iftikhar should get preference but if he fails, Haris should get the nod. Although Haris seems more of a top order batter to me.
 
Iftikhar brings in more options due to his economical bowling spell.. so priority must be with iftikhar.
 
Actually there must be a competiotion between Iftikhar Ahmed and Salman Ali Agha for their all round capabilities.. Not between Harris and Iftikhar i guess.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Actually there must be a competiotion between Iftikhar Ahmed and Salman Ali Agha for their all round capabilities.. Not between Harris and Iftikhar i guess.
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Agha is miles ahead of Iftikhar. Iftikhar plays one good knock then fails for 10 matches
 
Ahmed216 said:
Agha is miles ahead of Iftikhar. Iftikhar plays one good knock then fails for 10 matches
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I think we can pick both of them into the side because one can bring stability to middle order and the other one can fininsh it well with good power hitting abilities as we know Ifti did well in recent past.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
I think we can pick both of them into the side because one can bring stability to middle order and the other one can fininsh it well with good power hitting abilities as we know Ifti did well in recent past.
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Do u think we should play harris as an opener instead of fakhar looking at his lpl form?
 
Cricket Warrior said:
I think we can pick both of them into the side because one can bring stability to middle order and the other one can fininsh it well with good power hitting abilities as we know Ifti did well in recent past.
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Yes I think both should play. Agha at 6 and ifti at 7. They both are very capable bowlers. Nawaz is proving to be a very unreliable player especially under pressure and Shadab has regressed badly. I won't play either of them.
Four pure bowlers plus ifti and Agha as 5th and 6th bowling options.
Other batsmen too can chip in with couple of overs if they practice hard in nets
 
apnapind said:
Do u think we should play harris as an opener instead of fakhar looking at his lpl form?
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Actually, as per the recent form of Fakhar, I don't think he is gonna make it to the playing 11.. so yeah Harris can be a good replacement as a quick fire openner who can provide a quick start.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Yes I think both should play. Agha at 6 and ifti at 7. They both are very capable bowlers. Nawaz is proving to be a very unreliable player especially under pressure and Shadab has regressed badly. I won't play either of them.
Four pure bowlers plus ifti and Agha as 5th and 6th bowling options.
Other batsmen too can chip in with couple of overs if they practice hard in nets
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i will keep shadab with them because he is a gun fielder and on aisain wickets he can do really well.
 
apnapind said:
Do u think we should play harris as an opener instead of fakhar looking at his lpl form?
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So you want to bench down Fakhar,your most impactful & dangerous batsman, the only player on your side who is capable of destroying any bowling attack; on the basis of a lower level t20 league where most of the elite world cricketers don't play! I must say I am tempted to see that scenario where guys like Imam & Rizwan can play but not Fakhar.
Harris is an excellent talent, possibly on generational caliber level. If you want to accommodate him on the main eleven then you need to cut either Rizwan or Imam or one of Ifti/Agha. It would be absurd to sacrifice Fakhar.
 
I would rather play Tayyab Tahir, instead of Iftikhar..not Haris.. Haris is not upto ODI level yet..hes good for t 20s only.. he cant build innings… as shown in his performance in emerging asia cup also…whereas Tayyab Tahir is a proper agrressive batsman, not just a slogger
 
Haris would only be helpful if would open the innings.

We need to drop Imam if we really want to compete and play our best XI.

Will Babar move out of friendship zone and stop playing his buddies in Nawaz and Imam. Will have to see.

Haris can open and be very useful with his quick runs. Opening with Haris would allow for either Abdullah to move to 3 or both Agha, Ifitkhar and Tayyab to play. Haris, Fakhar, Babar and Rizwan can make the top order followed by the lower order cushion.

That would mean we drop Nawaz and go with one spinner in Shadab.

Agha and Iftikhar bowl more than 10 overs. Playing in sub continent I think this ploy may work well. 7 reliable batsmen and Shadab plus Shaheen to support the tail at the end.
 
VForVendetta said:
So you want to bench down Fakhar,your most impactful & dangerous batsman, the only player on your side who is capable of destroying any bowling attack; on the basis of a lower level t20 league where most of the elite world cricketers don't play! I must say I am tempted to see that scenario where guys like Imam & Rizwan can play but not Fakhar.
Harris is an excellent talent, possibly on generational caliber level. If you want to accommodate him on the main eleven then you need to cut either Rizwan or Imam or one of Ifti/Agha. It would be absurd to sacrifice Fakhar.
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Fakhar will play 100%.
 
Mohammad Harris over Rizwan

Stop defending Rizwan. He isn’t half the player Haris is
 
Rizwan's performances earned him recognition and praise from fellow cricketers, analysts, and fans alike, further establishing his reputation as a promising talent in Pakistani cricket whereas Harris yet to prove alot at International arena. No doubt he is a serious talent but too early to pick him over rizwan.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Rizwan's performances earned him recognition and praise from fellow cricketers, analysts, and fans alike, further establishing his reputation as a promising talent in Pakistani cricket whereas Harris yet to prove alot at International arena. No doubt he is a serious talent but too early to pick him over rizwan.
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Na I’m pretty sure that those who understand cricket know that Rizwan’s pointless 50s in T20s against B/C string attacks on Pakistani roads don’t make him the ATG that he is made out to be.

Harris is the real deal. He is a good keeper and a perfect player for the number 6 or 7 position. Pakistan can play a proper middle order batsman like Saud instead of Rizwan
 
replacing rizwan how can you adjust 2 players for single position? whos gonna keep the wickets if u replace saud with rizwan?
 
Cricket Warrior said:
replacing rizwan how can you adjust 2 players for single position? whos gonna keep the wickets if u replace saud with rizwan?
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Harris plays at number 6

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Saud
Salman
Harris
Shahdab
Usama
Shaheen
Naseem
Rauf

It’s Rizwan who needs to go
 
Rana said:
Harris plays at number 6

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Saud
Salman
Harris
Shahdab
Usama
Shaheen
Naseem
Rauf

It’s Rizwan who needs to go
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Well shadab and Usama both are the leg spinners.. so in this lineup we are lacking tactical combination so i would rather go with nawaz or Imad.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Well shadab and Usama both are the leg spinners.. so in this lineup we are lacking tactical combination so i would rather go with nawaz or Imad.
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If it were up to me Shadab sits out instead of Imad or Nawaz but that will never happen.

Shadab is never going to be dropped regardless of how poor his form is. Usama is the match winner bowler, he has to play
 
Rana said:
If it were up to me Shadab sits out instead of Imad or Nawaz but that will never happen.

Shadab is never going to be dropped regardless of how poor his form is. Usama is the match winner bowler, he has to play
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If I had to choose between Shadab and Usama, I would definitely go for Usama.

Shadab's recent form is a major concern.
 
Conditions are slower in Sri Lanka under which Ifti tends to struggle. He should be better in India on flatter decks
 
Harris should come in for Rizwan . Rizwan is limited in stroke making , Harris should be in the WC XI as well.
 
Muhammad Harris:
- 39 List A matches with an average of 30 and SR of 107.
- 5 ODI matches with an average of 9 and SR of 103.
- Bats as an opener primarily.

Iftikhar Ahmed:
- 103 List A matches with an average of 49 and SR of 91.
- 12 ODI matches with an average of 41 and SR of 101.
- Bats in the middle order.

Pakistan for last few years have been looking for a middle order batter and a finisher. Iftikhar Ahmed has showed recently in the New Zealand series that he is the best option for Pakistan in ODIs to be that middle order batter who has the ability to finish games.

Iftikhar's only issue right now is that early on he struggles to put bat on ball against sharp spin and express pace.

Still with all his experience, performances, stats and team's requirement. Replacing Harris for Iftikhar in ODIs in the middle order is just being naive, bias or irrational.
 
Bad idea to play him over Iftikhar and even sillier to suggest he can take Rizwan's play. Don't think any team in the world would want the best LOI keeper replaced with a novice
 
how would m Haris fit in a top order of Babar rizwan and Fakhar we would have to shift Fakhar to no 4 which he has never played before
 
cricenjoyer said:
Bad idea to play him over Iftikhar and even sillier to suggest he can take Rizwan's play. Don't think any team in the world would want the best LOI keeper replaced with a novice
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Best LOI keeper??!

Butler
Conway
KL
Carey
Gurbaz
Pooran
DeQock

They are all much much better than Rizwan. Prove me wrong if you can

I would also argue Liton Das is better than Rizwan
 
Rana said:
Best LOI keeper??!

Butler
Conway
KL
Carey
Gurbaz
Pooran
DeQock

They are all much much better than Rizwan. Prove me wrong if you can

I would also argue Liton Das is better than Rizwan
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Like @Scoop_shot said Pooran couldn't even get his team to qualify for the T20 or ODI WC

Conway is first of all not a full time keeper and second averages less than Rizwan

Kl, Carey, De Kock and Gurbaz aren't even comparable. All three of them have never helped their respected teams qualify for any tournament final whereas under Rizwan's quality batsmen-ship Pakistan have made it to 3 tournament finals and won one (tri series vs NZ) and one semi final.

Butler is the only one comparable and I put Rizwan ahead due to two reasons: 1. He's ICC award for T20I player of the year and second for the fact that he was the 3rd highest run scorer in a T20 world cup while keeping for 20 overs in the heat of the UAE
 
cricenjoyer said:
Like @Scoop_shot said Pooran couldn't even get his team to qualify for the T20 or ODI WC

Conway is first of all not a full time keeper and second averages less than Rizwan

Kl, Carey, De Kock and Gurbaz aren't even comparable. All three of them have never helped their respected teams qualify for any tournament final whereas under Rizwan's quality batsmen-ship Pakistan have made it to 3 tournament finals and won one (tri series vs NZ) and one semi final.

Butler is the only one comparable and I put Rizwan ahead due to two reasons: 1. He's ICC award for T20I player of the year and second for the fact that he was the 3rd highest run scorer in a T20 world cup while keeping for 20 overs in the heat of the UAE
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Acha jee

Cricket isn’t played with a green tinted lens only.

All keepers I have named are BETTER Batsmen who can actually bat. Not hoick to deep square leg against the 4th/5th seamer. That’s not batting, that’s making people believe that you are a batsman when you clearly are not.
 
Why is no one talking about Tayyab Tahir? I think he deserves a place in playing 11… he is an agressive batsman who can build the innings also and can perform in big matches too, under pressure.. played a clutch knock in emerging asia cup final against India in same srilankan conditions
 
Rana said:
Acha jee

Cricket isn’t played with a green tinted lens only.

All keepers I have named are BETTER Batsmen who can actually bat. Not hoick to deep square leg against the 4th/5th seamer. That’s not batting, that’s making people believe that you are a batsman when you clearly are not.
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Please come up with statistics to prove your claim. Until you do that everything your saying I'll just consider hot air
 
This WC has come too soon for Mohammad Haris to be an automatic starter. Chacha might be on his last legs but at least he has experience to help shore up a weak middle/lower order.

I would start the tournament with Chacha and if he is obviously struggling then bring in Haris.
 
Iftikhar is a choker. Bring in Haris ahead of him and that other choker Rizwan
 
Most of you will disagree, but I think Sarfaraz should be considered. He has plenty of limited-over that will help our young, rising team. I think Rizwan is very limited in terms of his shot making and despite Haris’ current LPL performances, he lacks the pedigree to fill such a substantial in our frail middle order. I think Iftikhar is extremely overrated as a player. He has no inkling of how to play spin, as seen by his deplorable performances in the LPL.
 
They replaced Ifti with the wrong batter today? Should Haris been given a chance?
 
It's criminal to field a side without either one of them
 
With Saud Shakeel in the mix, how does that effect Ifti and Haris positions?
 
Haris is raw and needs to develop, but his positive attitude and spirit to always be attacking is why we need to invest in this lad. Important player and the perfect future no 7 for Pakistan.

Ifti isn't the future, not trying to Age discriminate or anything but why invest in him? He can't further develop?

One good series against NZ is not gonna convince me ifti is a must. He can't play spin, he blocks constantly and waits for a bowler to over pitch or bowl short and wide so he can smack it for a 4 or a 6. He's basically misbah 2.0 except misbah could actually play spin, ifti can't.

Haris however doesn't block and wait, the young lad is always trying to do something and get a move on with the game, their is a reason why England is ranked no 1, and its because their players have the same mindset as Haris, attack and always look to score.
 
No. Haris isn't filling in for Iftikhar; I'd actually continue with Iftikhar. If a substitution is needed, Agha Salman should be swapped with a capable batsman, like Khushdil. Also, having both Usama and Shadab as leg spinners in the lineup doesn't seem logical.
 
Haris should eventually replace Rizwan the stat-padder. Perfect #6 and a floater type batsman. The lad has some heart and natural talent unlike the laborious Rizwan. That will also give us the opportunity to play a proper opener in t20s like Saim Ayub and a proper batsman like Abdullah Shafiq at 4 in ODIs.
 
Third Man said:
Haris should eventually replace Rizwan the stat-padder. Perfect #6 and a floater type batsman. The lad has some heart and natural talent unlike the laborious Rizwan. That will also give us the opportunity to play a proper opener in t20s like Saim Ayub and a proper batsman like Abdullah Shafiq at 4 in ODIs.
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Only issue is neither Haris nor saim are fully ready yet. I saw their performances in acc Asia cup.

But saim should be cultivated as fakhar's eventual Successor considering fakhar has maybe 6 years left in him and by that time saim will be 26 amd should have grown into a solid bat.

Haris' attacking mentality is what you need in the modern era but he needs to refine his issues which is actually focus on timing and technique.

We are playing rizwan because we don't have a choice atm.
 
Not for me. I don't think Haris is there in his development yet, but has the potential. He still has a ton of time.

He should target the next 50over ODI WC.
 
Iftikhar is an untalented bottler. His only decent innings I’ve seen is the one against india in the T20 World Cup. But if we are gauging by t20 performances, then why not pick Haris who had a more impactful performance in the t20 World Cup than Iftikhar and the one who saw played a decisive knock in the semi.
 
Should we try Mohammad Haris as an opener in India match..replacing Fakhar? Like for like replacement but Haris has done well recently in LPL as an opener on Srilankan pitches.. an be an X factor against India… but i dont think Pak management can ever be so bold, to take that risk, that too against India
 
Farah Sohail said:
Should we try Mohammad Haris as an opener in India match..replacing Fakhar? Like for like replacement but Haris has done well recently in LPL as an opener on Srilankan pitches.. an be an X factor against India… but i dont think Pak management can ever be so bold, to take that risk, that too against India
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There is no harm in this suggestion. If Harris is replaced with Fakhar considering that Harris has the potential to provide a quick beginning if he remains at the crease for around 5 to 6 overs.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
There is no harm in this suggestion. If Harris is replaced with Fakhar considering that Harris has the potential to provide a quick beginning if he remains at the crease for around 5 to 6 overs.
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Also, I think Haris, like Fakhar loves big occasion and is undeterred by opposition..but FKhar is in terrible form.. Haris was the x factor in world t20 too… even, if Haris fails..even then, Pak has nothing to lose, because Fakhar also is a guaranteed wiclet in first 2-3 overs these days..but if Haris clicks, he can really bog the opposition down… but i can bet..PK team manGement can never be this dynamic, and will never take such a big step, that too against India.. they will play the same 11
 
Farah Sohail said:
Also, I think Haris, like Fakhar loves big occasion and is undeterred by opposition..but FKhar is in terrible form.. Haris was the x factor in world t20 too… even, if Haris fails..even then, Pak has nothing to lose, because Fakhar also is a guaranteed wiclet in first 2-3 overs these days..but if Haris clicks, he can really bog the opposition down… but i can bet..PK team manGement can never be this dynamic, and will never take such a big step, that too against India.. they will play the same 11
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Pakistan team management lacks innovative thinking; they appear rigid and unwilling to consider unconventional approaches. This approach of sticking to the existing lineup often leads to issues during significant tournaments. If a player isn't delivering results, it's essential to replace them with a more suitable option. After all, why were the other players brought along if they weren't meant to be utilized?
 
Farah Sohail said:
Should we try Mohammad Haris as an opener in India match..replacing Fakhar? Like for like replacement but Haris has done well recently in LPL as an opener on Srilankan pitches.. an be an X factor against India… but i dont think Pak management can ever be so bold, to take that risk, that too against India
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India will love you for dropping Fakhar
 
maybe ifti can bat up the order and muhammad haris can come in as a finisher . Fakhar is too important a player to miss out . he will come out good.
 
I think Fakhar must be replaced by Harris since fakhar is not in a good form bring on haris as an opener he can give u a swift start as well if he stays for few overs on the crease.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
I think Fakhar must be replaced by Harris since fakhar is not in a good form bring on haris as an opener he can give u a swift start as well if he stays for few overs on the crease.
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There's only one way to unlock Fakhar though, and that is to make him play through his bad patch until he finds his touch again.

It's all about confidence with Fakhar so there's no point sending him for more net practice or to watch from the balcony.

If he gets it wrong we will struggle a bit but if he starts getting it right...Pakistan can win the WC.

For that reason i stick with Fakhar at the top and give Mohammad Haris a chance as a lower middle order player.
 
By the time Fakhar gets into his groove the entire tournament might come to an end.

Other players are selected to provide them with opportunities in case someone fails to perform. So they must have given a chance. like saud shakeel and Harris.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
By the time Fakhar gets into his groove the entire tournament might come to an end.

Other players are selected to provide them with opportunities in case someone fails to perform. So they must have given a chance. like saud shakeel and Harris.
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I agree.
There are times when a batsman is not scoring runs, but he is just plain unlucky..and u can tell he will come good..
but Fakhar right now, seems terribly out of form. he should be replaced..and i will go for a like for like replacement in Haris.. plus India hasnt played Haris yet.. he will be the surprise paclage for them.. if Haris fails, well..nothing new, as Fakhar is already failing but if Haris clicks, he will provide a real boost to Pak as an opener
 
Babar has built this team with consistently playing the same players. Its foolish to make any changes now when the team is so settled. Yes, Fakhar is out of form but its alright to carry him. The guy has 3 150+ scores in ODIs, he recently scored big 100s against New Zealand. The last thing we want now is to disturb the stability and create more confusion for the places. The team is settled and doesn't warrant any changes.

Haris is undercooked for ODI cricket. We can't go back to Afridi and Imran Nazir's days of accepting mediocrity just for some odd brilliance here and there. Fakhar averages 46 and he deserves a longer rope.
 
If this was 3 months ago, there might be a chance for Haris to break into the side, but right now this same XI will play every game for the next couple months.
 
Personally, to quench our thirst for spinners, I would say to Babar….

Look - chacha can bowl so there’s no reason to have Nawaz. Bring in a pace bowler instead of Nawaz.

We really need some batsmen who can get a move on. Couple this with Rizwan’s horrendous keeping and his propensity to get hurt way too easily, it makes perfect sense to bring Haris in now. There’s no point waiting till the point of no return as we did in the last t20 World Cup. Make a choice now so he can get in to the groove for the World Cup.

So in summary:

Haris and Chacha both play

Nawaz and Rizwan are dropped

Pace bowler in place of Nawaz
 
He won't make the xi till after the world cup or due to one of the batters getting injured.
 
Ifti chosen over Haris for the World Cup main squad

Fair?
 
Mohammad Haris should be playing T20I cricket for Pakistan. Let him play for about a year in T20I cricket and then you may also play him in the ODIs as well.
 
hassan918 said:
Mohammad Haris should be playing T20I cricket for Pakistan. Let him play for about a year in T20I cricket and then you may also play him in the ODIs as well.
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As an opener? or in which position?
 
Mohammad Haris's quickfire 46 off 33 provided a solid start to Peshawar, leading them to victory over Karachi and clinching the Pakistan Cup 2023-24 trophy.

 
He has been very impactful for Peshawar in Pakistan Cup 2023-24. I think we can bring him back to T20Is.
 
FearlessRoar said:
He has been very impactful for Peshawar in Pakistan Cup 2023-24. I think we can bring him back to T20Is.
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Not ready yet. Technique will not survive beyond some hit and giggle innings at international level.

Haris has a lot of talent but there is still work to be done. He needs to decide he wants to become a batsman rather than a hack.
 
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