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His team-mates weren't convinced but Shadab stuck to his guns.

Very impressive that from him considering he was so inexperienced and young.
 
If the final were held in India, the DRS would have taken an eternity to load and the ball would have definitely clipped the outside of leg stump :yk

:))
 
He is still in the team because of this meme. In the last 5 years, he has achieved nothing apart from one fluke ODI innings and a couple of half-decent spells in T20Is.
 
No set of fans are better than Pakistani fans when it comes to overhyping mediocre players and pretending that they are elite talents.

The likes of Shadab, Haris, Naseem and Abdullah Shafique are prime examples.
 
Mamoon said:
No set of fans are better than Pakistani fans when it comes to overhyping mediocre players and pretending that they are elite talents.

The likes of Shadab, Haris, Naseem and Abdullah Shafique are prime examples.
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I believe you were trying to answer the topic of this thread but seem to have gone off a tangent. So unlike you :D

Ok so tell me when you first saw that ball hit Yuvraj pads - what did you think? I thought not out and overreaction.
 
Mamoon said:
No set of fans are better than Pakistani fans when it comes to overhyping mediocre players and pretending that they are elite talents.

The likes of Shadab, Haris, Naseem and Abdullah Shafique are prime examples.
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I still do not understand how you determined Abdullah Shafique is a “mediocre talent”? 🤔
 
Good to see Shadab has become a vital player for Pakistan team, building on the promise he showed in his early days despite lot of injuries. Good performance in the ODI world cup as well as T20 world cup too.
 
MenInG said:
I believe you were trying to answer the topic of this thread but seem to have gone off a tangent. So unlike you :D

Ok so tell me when you first saw that ball hit Yuvraj pads - what did you think? I thought not out and overreaction.
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We both know Mamon won't answer this question in a straightforward way saying "yes, that was indeed a great review by a youngster playing a big game vs India"
 
Mamoon said:
No set of fans are better than Pakistani fans when it comes to overhyping mediocre players and pretending that they are elite talents.

The likes of Shadab, Haris, Naseem and Abdullah Shafique are prime examples.
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Please name 3 other leg spinners in world cricket who can bat and field like him.

Thank you.
 
Never understood why this moment was celebrated... Yes they went for review and it over turned...

But it is a nothing special moment really....

Even though i hate amir to the guts, but his 2 wicket taking deliveries against kohli just showed his class and that was the moment to be celebrated as it was pure class.....
 
During a recent shoot of islamabad united with i think iqra university and one student asked shadab to recreate the moment and even shadab felt abit awkward as it was to cringworthy to recreate a reaction...
 
Major said:
Never understood why this moment was celebrated... Yes they went for review and it over turned...

But it is a nothing special moment really....

Even though i hate amir to the guts, but his 2 wicket taking deliveries against kohli just showed his class and that was the moment to be celebrated as it was pure class.....
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Thats a simple answer.
It was celebrated for the confidence shadab showed, and really his conviction. This was when he was half the age as yuvraj. not sure if you have followed pakistan cricket the last two decades - the issue has not been skill or talent, the issue has been confidence and handling pressure.
This was a change from usual.

No one is downplaying M. Amir's contribution.
 
arif_2021 said:
Thats a simple answer.
It was celebrated for the confidence shadab showed, and really his conviction. This was when he was half the age as yuvraj. not sure if you have followed pakistan cricket the last two decades - the issue has not been skill or talent, the issue has been confidence and handling pressure.
This was a change from usual.

No one is downplaying M. Amir's contribution.
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Sorry, but every bowler who thinks he bowled a wicket taking delivery will want his captain to review it no matter what. Doesn't matter how young or old, junior or senior you are.

If fans went gaga on face snaps than that really just show how guillable we are.

It was infact this match that made me realize that shadab khan was not as good as i thought he was as Pandya just destroyed his bowling figures.

Our issue is talent and skill. Not confidence or pressure handling.
 
Thanks for the long essay but I disagree that our issue is talent and skill not being able handle pressure.

2007 t20 final as well as bowl out loss. Pressure
2011 World Cup loss Vs india in sf. All due to pressure
1996 World Cup loss due to
Pressure

90s and 2000s the difference between pakistan and india in terms of talent was with pakistan being superior and maybe a little behind. Now the difference is exaggerated.

2017 ct first game was a pressure loss.

Numerous other big matches lost due to mis handling of pressure and when we won is because we handled
Pressure.

2017 CT and 2021 icc t20 were won bevause of players who didn’t have any scars. Fakhar zaman was a huge contributor and then shaheen and rizwan won the t20.

But this should be common sense. If you want to argue upto you. Doesn’t change facts.
 
arif_2021 said:
Please name 3 other leg spinners in world cricket who can bat and field like him.

Thank you.
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What sort of question is this? Next you would be asking me name a better cricketer than Shadab whose name starts with S and ends with B.

Or name three left-handed batsmen who wear glasses and are better than Imam.

Shadab is the definition of a bits and pieces cricketer.

In ODI cricket, he averages 41 with the ball and 26 with the bat against England, New Zealand, South Africa and India, and he hasn’t played Australia in ODIs yet.

These are the four best batting lineups that he has faced in his ODI career and he has been exposed.

These are atrocious numbers and our deluded fans act as if he is a special talent.

Shadab has made a career out of memes, pretending to be a superstar and overacting in the field.

The fact that the main limited overs spinner of Pakistan has part-timer like figures against the best ODI batting units of his time sums up the dearth of talent in Pakistan, and fielding like Jonty Rhodes won’t make up for that.

Shadab along with Sharjeel, Rauf and Naseem are the most overjoyed players Pakistan has produced in the last 10 years and the type of players who wouldn’t even find themselves on the bench when Pakistan had a quality side.

Shadab is an average batsman and an average bowler. You will find bits and pieces spin bowling all-rounders like him in every nook and corner of the country but they haven’t had the luck or haven’t found themselves at the right place at the right time like Shadab.

Players like Shadab and Afridi are prime examples that luck plays a massive role. It is not about talent and hard work only.

Shadab has played 6 PSL seasons now, and he has only bowled well in one of those seasons and that was his first season in 2017.

Pakistan needed a spinner at the time, he got fast-tracked and his first assignment was a T20I series against West Indies on spin-friendly wickets.

West Indies batsmen are brutal hitters on flat pitches, but they are jokers against spin on turning tracks, and they couldn’t pick his googly. Shadab became an overnight sensation.

Right after that series, Pakistan won the Champions Trophy. Shadab had barely anything to do in the entire tournament, he just happened to be part of a winning team and there was no other spinner in the squad other than Imad.

His last memory in the final was getting destroyed by Pandya, but this Yuvraj review went viral, he became even more popular and was given this golden boy tag and his place in the side became indispensable.

Few years ago, Pakistan had another bits and pieces spin bowling all-rounder called Saad Nasim, his batting was more solid than Shadab, an excellent fielder in his own right but didn’t field for the cameras, and his bowling was as poor as Shadab’s against the good teams.

However, at the time, Saeed Ajmal was pelting rocks and Afridi was still an active player, so he never got a look in and was banished for good.

Long time ago, Pakistan had a leg spinner called Mansoor Amjad, twice the bowler Shadab is, but he never got a chance because of Afridi and Kaneria.

Shadab is not as good as he thinks or his fans think. He has capitalized on favorable circumstances and a huge vaccum of quality spinners in the country.

Had he emerged a few years earlier, he would be nowhere near the team.

Nawaz is actually a better spin bowling all-rounder than him. Give him 5 uninterrupted years as a first choice player and he will outshine him with both and ball, but unfortunately he doesn’t have his PR and doesn’t have any memes.

Has Shadab bowled and batted well enough over the last 5 years to be an undisputed first-choice? The answer is no, and please don’t bring his fielding to the table - Pakistan is not a strong enough team to carry a liability with the bat and ball no matter how big of a tarzan he is in the field.

It has been 5 years and both Shadab and his fans are confused over what his strength is other than dramay baazi and overacting in the field. Every all-rounder, including every great all-rounder in history, had a strong suit.

There is no such thing as a genuine all-rounder. It is a myth. Every great all-rounder has a primary skill and a secondary skill.

Both Shadab and his fans are yet to figure out if he is a better batsman or a better bowler. When he bats well once in a blue moon they say he is a better batsman and should bat up the order. When he bowls well once in a blue moon they say he is a better bowler.

The fact that it is still a mystery is enough indication that he is deeply mediocre in both departments.
 
arif_2021 said:
Thanks for the long essay but I disagree that our issue is talent and skill not being able handle pressure.

2007 t20 final as well as bowl out loss. Pressure
2011 World Cup loss Vs india in sf. All due to pressure
1996 World Cup loss due to
Pressure

90s and 2000s the difference between pakistan and india in terms of talent was with pakistan being superior and maybe a little behind. Now the difference is exaggerated.

2017 ct first game was a pressure loss.

Numerous other big matches lost due to mis handling of pressure and when we won is because we handled
Pressure.

2017 CT and 2021 icc t20 were won bevause of players who didn’t have any scars. Fakhar zaman was a huge contributor and then shaheen and rizwan won the t20.

But this should be common sense. If you want to argue upto you. Doesn’t change facts.
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Pakistani fans are always in denial.

2011 semifinal was lost due to skill and talent. The semifinal was lost when Dhoni and the spinners choked Younis and Misbah. That partnership gave India the momentum and they never gave it back.

Dhoni blocked the singles and the spinners didn’t give any freebies, and neither Younis or Misbah had the skill or the talent to find a way out.

Younis did not have the talent and the skill to have a great ODI career and that was exposed in the Mohali semifinal.

Speaking of scars and all, can you explain what happened in the 2018 Asia Cup when India dismantled Pakistan twice in consecutive ODIs?

The players had no scars, in fact, they were riding on the momentum of the CT final and people were expecting them to blow India away, but the gulf in the batting quality of the respective sides on the slowish Dubai pitches was obvious.
 
Mamoon said:
Thank you for not reading my post that completely destroys the myth that Shadab is a quality cricketer.
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I did read it. I did not dignify it with a response as it did not answer the simple question that was asked of you. Instead you substituted it with barrage of non sense, which in your mind seems logical. Copacetic for you. Doesn't work for me.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistani fans are always in denial.

2011 semifinal was lost due to skill and talent. The semifinal was lost when Dhoni and the spinners choked Younis and Misbah. That partnership gave India the momentum and they never gave it back.

Dhoni blocked the singles and the spinners didn’t give any freebies, and neither Younis or Misbah had the skill or the talent to find a way out.

Younis did not have the talent and the skill to have a great ODI career and that was exposed in the Mohali semifinal.

Speaking of scars and all, can you explain what happened in the 2018 Asia Cup when India dismantled Pakistan twice in consecutive ODIs?

The players had no scars, in fact, they were riding on the momentum of the CT final and people were expecting them to blow India away, but the gulf in the batting quality of the respective sides on the slowish Dubai pitches was obvious.
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Wrong again. 12-1 India in high pressure matches, but the win-loss ratio is higher in bilateral explains that phenomenon clearly.

One off examples and mis-representing what you think happened in those contests does not change the facts.
 
arif_2021 said:
I did read it. I did not dignify it with a response as it did not answer the simple question that was asked of you. Instead you substituted it with barrage of non sense, which in your mind seems logical. Copacetic for you. Doesn't work for me.
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Your question actually gave away the fact that you don’t think much of Shadab as a cricketer.

If you did, you would have asked me to name three better leg-spinners than him. The fact that you had to add three leg-spinners who can bat and field better than him as part of the terms & conditions clearly shows that you don’t think much of him as a bowler.

If you want to rephrase your statement and assert that Shadab is one of the best bits and pieces cricketers in the world, well you might be onto something.

But please refrain from calling someone an all-rounder with such miserable output against the top sides.
 
Good to see Shadab is still around as he was starting to fade during these intervening years since the CT17 final and actually becoming a key member of the team. I think he's learned his lesson about staying away from all the masala and masti and started to knuckle down a bit.

He needs to keep working hard and I can see him becoming our most valuable spinner in the team to go along with his improving batting skills.
 
arif_2021 said:
Wrong again. 12-1 India in high pressure matches, but the win-loss ratio is higher in bilateral explains that phenomenon clearly.

One off examples and mis-representing what you think happened in those contests does not change the facts.
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Pressure might have been a factor in the 90s, but not in 2000s. India was a better side after 1999.

You also fail to realize or perhaps choose to fail to realize that the ability to handle pressure goes hand in hand with talent and skill.

When you have the talent and skill, you also develop the confidence to reproduce your skills under pressure.

Otherwise that execution under pressure is a fluke which is not repeatable. This is what happened in the 2017 CT Final.

The same set of Pakistani and Indian players played 5 ODIs from 2017 to 2019 and Pakistan lost 4 of them, which clearly illustrates that the CT final was a fluke result.
 
Mamoon said:
Your question actually gave away the fact that you don’t think much of Shadab as a cricketer.

If you did, you would have asked me to name three better leg-spinners than him. The fact that you had to add three leg-spinners who can bat and field better than him as part of the terms & conditions clearly shows that you don’t think much of him as a bowler.

If you want to rephrase your statement and assert that Shadab is one of the best bits and pieces cricketers in the world, well you might be onto something.

But please refrain from calling someone an all-rounder with such miserable output against the top sides.
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More words. No real answer. Keep on going.
It just shows that you're incapable of producing logical, succinct responses - and rather utilize word soup to hide your deficiencies.
You can read that question and try again.
 
Kroll said:
Good to see Shadab is still around as he was starting to fade during these intervening years since the CT17 final and actually becoming a key member of the team. I think he's learned his lesson about staying away from all the masala and masti and started to knuckle down a bit.

He needs to keep working hard and I can see him becoming our most valuable spinner in the team to go along with his improving batting skills.
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Exactly, no one in world cricket is better than Shadab as a complete package. May not be the best legspinner, but his fielding and batting will edge out most in his competition.
 
Mamoon said:
What sort of question is this? Next you would be asking me name a better cricketer than Shadab whose name starts with S and ends with B.

Or name three left-handed batsmen who wear glasses and are better than Imam.

Shadab is the definition of a bits and pieces cricketer.

In ODI cricket, he averages 41 with the ball and 26 with the bat against England, New Zealand, South Africa and India, and he hasn’t played Australia in ODIs yet.

These are the four best batting lineups that he has faced in his ODI career and he has been exposed.

These are atrocious numbers and our deluded fans act as if he is a special talent.

Shadab has made a career out of memes, pretending to be a superstar and overacting in the field.

The fact that the main limited overs spinner of Pakistan has part-timer like figures against the best ODI batting units of his time sums up the dearth of talent in Pakistan, and fielding like Jonty Rhodes won’t make up for that.

Shadab along with Sharjeel, Rauf and Naseem are the most overjoyed players Pakistan has produced in the last 10 years and the type of players who wouldn’t even find themselves on the bench when Pakistan had a quality side.

Shadab is an average batsman and an average bowler. You will find bits and pieces spin bowling all-rounders like him in every nook and corner of the country but they haven’t had the luck or haven’t found themselves at the right place at the right time like Shadab.

Players like Shadab and Afridi are prime examples that luck plays a massive role. It is not about talent and hard work only.

Shadab has played 6 PSL seasons now, and he has only bowled well in one of those seasons and that was his first season in 2017.

Pakistan needed a spinner at the time, he got fast-tracked and his first assignment was a T20I series against West Indies on spin-friendly wickets.

West Indies batsmen are brutal hitters on flat pitches, but they are jokers against spin on turning tracks, and they couldn’t pick his googly. Shadab became an overnight sensation.

Right after that series, Pakistan won the Champions Trophy. Shadab had barely anything to do in the entire tournament, he just happened to be part of a winning team and there was no other spinner in the squad other than Imad.

His last memory in the final was getting destroyed by Pandya, but this Yuvraj review went viral, he became even more popular and was given this golden boy tag and his place in the side became indispensable.

Few years ago, Pakistan had another bits and pieces spin bowling all-rounder called Saad Nasim, his batting was more solid than Shadab, an excellent fielder in his own right but didn’t field for the cameras, and his bowling was as poor as Shadab’s against the good teams.

However, at the time, Saeed Ajmal was pelting rocks and Afridi was still an active player, so he never got a look in and was banished for good.

Long time ago, Pakistan had a leg spinner called Mansoor Amjad, twice the bowler Shadab is, but he never got a chance because of Afridi and Kaneria.

Shadab is not as good as he thinks or his fans think. He has capitalized on favorable circumstances and a huge vaccum of quality spinners in the country.

Had he emerged a few years earlier, he would be nowhere near the team.

Nawaz is actually a better spin bowling all-rounder than him. Give him 5 uninterrupted years as a first choice player and he will outshine him with both and ball, but unfortunately he doesn’t have his PR and doesn’t have any memes.

Has Shadab bowled and batted well enough over the last 5 years to be an undisputed first-choice? The answer is no, and please don’t bring his fielding to the table - Pakistan is not a strong enough team to carry a liability with the bat and ball no matter how big of a tarzan he is in the field.

It has been 5 years and both Shadab and his fans are confused over what his strength is other than dramay baazi and overacting in the field. Every all-rounder, including every great all-rounder in history, had a strong suit.

There is no such thing as a genuine all-rounder. It is a myth. Every great all-rounder has a primary skill and a secondary skill.

Both Shadab and his fans are yet to figure out if he is a better batsman or a better bowler. When he bats well once in a blue moon they say he is a better batsman and should bat up the order. When he bowls well once in a blue moon they say he is a better bowler.

The fact that it is still a mystery is enough indication that he is deeply mediocre in both departments.
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Wrong on Saad Nasim.

He actually made his debut in Ajmals last series and after Afridi retired - the ODI series against Bangladesh in 2015.

He got discarded because of his batting - low SR and the fact that we lost 3-0 to Bangladesh probably also made it worse..

I fully agree though that Nawaz is a better spinner than Shadab - whilst also having significantly improved his batting!
 
When Mamoon hates on a Pakistani player you know that player is going to achieve big things.
 
What a moment it was. Shadab's confidence lifted the entire nation
 
Yuvraj was such a spare tyre post 2011.

He was a star performer in the 2007 WT20 and the 2011 WC for us, but equally he was responsible for losing the WT20 2014 final and was lukewarm throughout this Champions Trophy.
 
Varun said:
Yuvraj was such a spare tyre post 2011.

He was a star performer in the 2007 WT20 and the 2011 WC for us, but equally he was responsible for losing the WT20 2014 final and was lukewarm throughout this Champions Trophy.
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Cancer took away his edge and reflexes.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is clearly devastated to be reminded his beloved India got face-wrecked in the CT2017 final.

Hilarious to see some random cricketer has forced [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] to make several posts on the trot insisting on his mediocrity. Talking about triggered.

It's a shame that Shadab's admirers barely get to see him since he's evidently to busy chilling in Mamoons mind rent-free :shadab
 
Mamoon said:
No set of fans are better than Pakistani fans when it comes to overhyping mediocre players and pretending that they are elite talents.

The likes of Shadab, Haris, Naseem and Abdullah Shafique are prime examples.
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Abdullah Shafique? He's an ATG. If only they'd play him every game.
 
Mamoon said:
What sort of question is this? Next you would be asking me name a better cricketer than Shadab whose name starts with S and ends with B.

Or name three left-handed batsmen who wear glasses and are better than Imam.

Shadab is the definition of a bits and pieces cricketer.

In ODI cricket, he averages 41 with the ball and 26 with the bat against England, New Zealand, South Africa and India, and he hasn’t played Australia in ODIs yet.

These are the four best batting lineups that he has faced in his ODI career and he has been exposed.

These are atrocious numbers and our deluded fans act as if he is a special talent.

Shadab has made a career out of memes, pretending to be a superstar and overacting in the field.

The fact that the main limited overs spinner of Pakistan has part-timer like figures against the best ODI batting units of his time sums up the dearth of talent in Pakistan, and fielding like Jonty Rhodes won’t make up for that.

Shadab along with Sharjeel, Rauf and Naseem are the most overjoyed players Pakistan has produced in the last 10 years and the type of players who wouldn’t even find themselves on the bench when Pakistan had a quality side.

Shadab is an average batsman and an average bowler. You will find bits and pieces spin bowling all-rounders like him in every nook and corner of the country but they haven’t had the luck or haven’t found themselves at the right place at the right time like Shadab.

Players like Shadab and Afridi are prime examples that luck plays a massive role. It is not about talent and hard work only.

Shadab has played 6 PSL seasons now, and he has only bowled well in one of those seasons and that was his first season in 2017.

Pakistan needed a spinner at the time, he got fast-tracked and his first assignment was a T20I series against West Indies on spin-friendly wickets.

West Indies batsmen are brutal hitters on flat pitches, but they are jokers against spin on turning tracks, and they couldn’t pick his googly. Shadab became an overnight sensation.

Right after that series, Pakistan won the Champions Trophy. Shadab had barely anything to do in the entire tournament, he just happened to be part of a winning team and there was no other spinner in the squad other than Imad.

His last memory in the final was getting destroyed by Pandya, but this Yuvraj review went viral, he became even more popular and was given this golden boy tag and his place in the side became indispensable.

Few years ago, Pakistan had another bits and pieces spin bowling all-rounder called Saad Nasim, his batting was more solid than Shadab, an excellent fielder in his own right but didn’t field for the cameras, and his bowling was as poor as Shadab’s against the good teams.

However, at the time, Saeed Ajmal was pelting rocks and Afridi was still an active player, so he never got a look in and was banished for good.

Long time ago, Pakistan had a leg spinner called Mansoor Amjad, twice the bowler Shadab is, but he never got a chance because of Afridi and Kaneria.

Shadab is not as good as he thinks or his fans think. He has capitalized on favorable circumstances and a huge vaccum of quality spinners in the country.

Had he emerged a few years earlier, he would be nowhere near the team.

Nawaz is actually a better spin bowling all-rounder than him. Give him 5 uninterrupted years as a first choice player and he will outshine him with both and ball, but unfortunately he doesn’t have his PR and doesn’t have any memes.

Has Shadab bowled and batted well enough over the last 5 years to be an undisputed first-choice? The answer is no, and please don’t bring his fielding to the table - Pakistan is not a strong enough team to carry a liability with the bat and ball no matter how big of a tarzan he is in the field.

It has been 5 years and both Shadab and his fans are confused over what his strength is other than dramay baazi and overacting in the field. Every all-rounder, including every great all-rounder in history, had a strong suit.

There is no such thing as a genuine all-rounder. It is a myth. Every great all-rounder has a primary skill and a secondary skill.

Both Shadab and his fans are yet to figure out if he is a better batsman or a better bowler. When he bats well once in a blue moon they say he is a better batsman and should bat up the order. When he bowls well once in a blue moon they say he is a better bowler.

The fact that it is still a mystery is enough indication that he is deeply mediocre in both departments.
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No fan of Shadab's since he doesn't give me any confidence yet when batting or bowling that he will be on top of the opposition.

But I do see a trajectory of constant improvement from his early years at least in T20s.

For example, unlike what you said, he was 2nd highest wicket taker in PSL this season with 19 wickets @11 with economy <6.5.

He was also effective in T20 world cup with an economy of 6 and amongst top 10 bowlers in all stats. Arguably was the bowler of the final along with Zampa.

In ODIs definitely, he has struggled in the last couple of years away from home against the two opposition he has played - England and SA. Has played only one test.

He really needs to prove he belongs with his bowling.

But really he is lucky that the competition is light. Pakistan's spin performance in the last test series was horrifying - how far have they fallen. In white ball, Nawaz is good but he is no Vettori or even Jadeja either.

All in all, the jury is still out which is sad given how long he has been around. But I do think on his evidence of improvement in batting and bowling, he makes the team in certain condition based on merit.
 
Mamoon said:
What sort of question is this? Next you would be asking me name a better cricketer than Shadab whose name starts with S and ends with B.

Or name three left-handed batsmen who wear glasses and are better than Imam.

Shadab is the definition of a bits and pieces cricketer.

In ODI cricket, he averages 41 with the ball and 26 with the bat against England, New Zealand, South Africa and India, and he hasn’t played Australia in ODIs yet.

These are the four best batting lineups that he has faced in his ODI career and he has been exposed.

These are atrocious numbers and our deluded fans act as if he is a special talent.

Shadab has made a career out of memes, pretending to be a superstar and overacting in the field.

The fact that the main limited overs spinner of Pakistan has part-timer like figures against the best ODI batting units of his time sums up the dearth of talent in Pakistan, and fielding like Jonty Rhodes won’t make up for that.

Shadab along with Sharjeel, Rauf and Naseem are the most overjoyed players Pakistan has produced in the last 10 years and the type of players who wouldn’t even find themselves on the bench when Pakistan had a quality side.

Shadab is an average batsman and an average bowler. You will find bits and pieces spin bowling all-rounders like him in every nook and corner of the country but they haven’t had the luck or haven’t found themselves at the right place at the right time like Shadab.

Players like Shadab and Afridi are prime examples that luck plays a massive role. It is not about talent and hard work only.

Shadab has played 6 PSL seasons now, and he has only bowled well in one of those seasons and that was his first season in 2017.

Pakistan needed a spinner at the time, he got fast-tracked and his first assignment was a T20I series against West Indies on spin-friendly wickets.

West Indies batsmen are brutal hitters on flat pitches, but they are jokers against spin on turning tracks, and they couldn’t pick his googly. Shadab became an overnight sensation.

Right after that series, Pakistan won the Champions Trophy. Shadab had barely anything to do in the entire tournament, he just happened to be part of a winning team and there was no other spinner in the squad other than Imad.

His last memory in the final was getting destroyed by Pandya, but this Yuvraj review went viral, he became even more popular and was given this golden boy tag and his place in the side became indispensable.

Few years ago, Pakistan had another bits and pieces spin bowling all-rounder called Saad Nasim, his batting was more solid than Shadab, an excellent fielder in his own right but didn’t field for the cameras, and his bowling was as poor as Shadab’s against the good teams.

However, at the time, Saeed Ajmal was pelting rocks and Afridi was still an active player, so he never got a look in and was banished for good.

Long time ago, Pakistan had a leg spinner called Mansoor Amjad, twice the bowler Shadab is, but he never got a chance because of Afridi and Kaneria.

Shadab is not as good as he thinks or his fans think. He has capitalized on favorable circumstances and a huge vaccum of quality spinners in the country.

Had he emerged a few years earlier, he would be nowhere near the team.

Nawaz is actually a better spin bowling all-rounder than him. Give him 5 uninterrupted years as a first choice player and he will outshine him with both and ball, but unfortunately he doesn’t have his PR and doesn’t have any memes.

Has Shadab bowled and batted well enough over the last 5 years to be an undisputed first-choice? The answer is no, and please don’t bring his fielding to the table - Pakistan is not a strong enough team to carry a liability with the bat and ball no matter how big of a tarzan he is in the field.

It has been 5 years and both Shadab and his fans are confused over what his strength is other than dramay baazi and overacting in the field. Every all-rounder, including every great all-rounder in history, had a strong suit.

There is no such thing as a genuine all-rounder. It is a myth. Every great all-rounder has a primary skill and a secondary skill.

Both Shadab and his fans are yet to figure out if he is a better batsman or a better bowler. When he bats well once in a blue moon they say he is a better batsman and should bat up the order. When he bowls well once in a blue moon they say he is a better bowler.

The fact that it is still a mystery is enough indication that he is deeply mediocre in both departments.
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I am actually a big fan of shadab khan. I like to stop all things to watch him bowl and bat.

But even i know this guy is limited and not a great. For some reason, people cant accept this
 
Just to add the above post..

Or many people if they like a cricketer they think he is the greatest

Shadab doesnt have the strength to last as eventually he will be again injured.

As for mansoor amjad, the guy had a devestating finger injury because of which he lost his spon ability. Plus he had a terrible county season.

Although i disliked afridi, his line and length was ahead of everyone else as a leggie
 
If you watch the full clip, you can hear the disappointment from the backroom members as hawk-eye projected the line.

This wicket was phenomenal, because at this point Indian fans started to exit the stadium. :)
 
One of the most memorable moments of that day!
 
Sorry, but for me it was one of the most over rated moments.

Bhai, he asked a for a review, who makes a moment like that such a big thing??
 
Major said:
Sorry, but every bowler who thinks he bowled a wicket taking delivery will want his captain to review it no matter what. Doesn't matter how young or old, junior or senior you are.

If fans went gaga on face snaps than that really just show how guillable we are.

It was infact this match that made me realize that shadab khan was not as good as i thought he was as Pandya just destroyed his bowling figures.

Our issue is talent and skill. Not confidence or pressure handling.
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This, said it back than.

Pandya's innings exposed how bad Shadab actually was. We went gaga and thought he was a good bowler, but i knew from the way pandya batted that shadab sucked
 
I wonder where this version of shadab has gone
Nowadays he looks disinterested as he goes through the motions of delivering his full tosses and half trackers
 
If I was Shadab, I would put up a picture of Fakhar and Amir who pretty much destroyed India and the hopes of its 1.5 billion cricket fanatics and thank them.
 
This and the others CT thread, is a decent symptom of why Pakistan lets players well past their peak, linger on in the team for years and years. Very sharp memories of the highs but consistent lows are quickly forgotten. So much emotions attached to this one win that it leads to systemic decay spread and grow for years and years.
 
No doubt it was a game-changing review but I think Pakistan should come out that 2017 winner fever and focus on today. Shadab is a nothing bowler atm and should be left out for good. That review made him famous overnight but I think people should move forward from that.
 
Shadab Khan recalls his epic catch that led to Virat Kohli’s dismissal in the ICC Champions Trophy 2017 final against India

"When Azhar Ali dropped the catch, I was at point, and I went back to back him up. I was thinking, 'He's that type of player who can win a game from anywhere.'"

"I didn't see it the first time because as a point fielder, you always see where the blade goes. But I don't know how I grabbed it. Thank God we did, otherwise, we might not have won."

 
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