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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">19 year old in only his 4th Test, but he's batting as if he's been playing Tests for many years. That's three 50s in 3 Tests for Shadab Khan <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1002554670714359809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">19 year old in only his 4th Test, but he's batting as if he's been playing Tests for many years. That's three 50s in 3 Tests for Shadab Khan <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1002554670714359809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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What a player he's turning out to be. All of his 50s including the ones in NZ came at difficult times.
 
Shadab is real deal. He is a genuine all rounder and will retire after 20 years as legend of the game.
 
He and Amir have this never say die effort with bat.Good attitude. One day in future he will produce a match winning cameo.
 
Shadab should play outside Asia and work on his bowling, so when Yasir's time comes to hang the boots he'll be ready to play the front line spinner role home and away.

He has potential as a batsman to average 30-35 batting at 8.
 
Like I said , looked as good as many of our full time batters.
The future for us has to be 5-2-3. Shadab has runs in each of his last 4 away tests, and faheem has wickets in each of his tests.
The 2 need to be invested in and work on their weaker suits. Then we pick our 3 best bowlers.
I would want shadab as the long term 6 even ahead of Rizwan.
The boy has the right attitude ( faheems attitude im unsure of)

I'm talking purely test match cricket here.
 
iPakistani said:
Started off a bit shaky, but after a while he was blocking Steyn with the full face of the bat comfortably.
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I noticed him defending better in the first innings too even tough he didn't get many runs. He batted better then hafeez has against styen in his entire career.
 
Shadab first burst onto the scene as a great limited over prospect who can score quick and trouble batsmen with his variations. But looking at how his batting has developed so far I don't think he'll make a good LOI batsman but should become a more than decent test batsman. As far as bowling goes he has already been successfull in LOIs but in tests he has to improve a fair bit, but his bowling style is better for the bouncing tracks of SA bad Australia than Yasir
 
Fahdi said:
Shadab first burst onto the scene as a great limited over prospect who can score quick and trouble batsmen with his variations. But looking at how his batting has developed so far I don't think he'll make a good LOI batsman but should become a more than decent test batsman. As far as bowling goes he has already been successfull in LOIs but in tests he has to improve a fair bit, but his bowling style is better for the bouncing tracks of SA bad Australia than Yasir
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He should go on some county stints do you agree? If so I don't know when it would be best for him considering he plays all 3 formats for Pak + PSL and other leagues.
 
iPakistani said:
He should go on some county stints do you agree? If so I don't know when it would be best for him considering he plays all 3 formats for Pak + PSL and other leagues.
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Will counties make him the offer considering his international obligations, plus they can only have one international player would they be willing to go with Shadab of all people?
 
I think he should be our full time number 6, we need to invest in the future, even if it means a lean 18 months as a side. We have had the same last 18 months, with very little investment ,( only imam and now Shaheen really)

I'm hoping in 18 months our core group will be

Imam ( need him to come good after this much investment) he will not be batting In tougher conditions after this, so he needs to get his head down and work hard and take it seriously
Shan
Babar
Haris ( knees permitting)
Rizwan
Shadab
Abbas
Shaheen
Amir
Hasan( needs to find consistency in test cricket)

There is enough to work with there plus faheem. ( U can not even try to argue with his bowling)

Even most of the above are relatively young compared to Azhar shafiq sarfaraz but we need to replace at least 2 straight away and invest in a few others, saud, saad usman
 
I think that's a bit far fetched to compare his shot range to those players. He's mediocre in my eyes and hasn't done much his only eye catching moments at international level was the t20 game against SL.

Honestly him and Faheem really need to start performing with the bat especially Faheem as i've been bitterly left disappointed by him.
 
Played some nice shots today. What a shot off the hat trick ball!
 
hadi123 said:
Played some nice shots today. What a shot off the hat trick ball!
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He's only played 9 innings in his test career so far, and already has a 55 in Dublin against Ireland (ok, they're minnows, but it was relatively bowler friendly pitch and he came in under pressure so deserves credit for that knock regardless), a 52 against England at Lord's, that was a vital innings and helped us in getting a 1st innings lead that set us up for victory. He has a 56 against England at Leeds as well, and that too coming in a pressure situation and giving our bowlers something to bowl at. Today he scored 47* and am sure he would have got another half century if it wasn't for everyone else being out. These are some of the harder places to bat, and he's done well, so I think he is definitely capable of scoring Test centuries for Pakistan.
 
I think people need to understand Shadab’s true contributions to the team.

T20’s aside, he is a goldmine for the current lineup in both ODI’s and Tests.

In the former, he can provide decent control in the middle overs obtaining a few wickets in the process and is probably the best fielder by a large margin in the squad.

His only liability in limited-overs is his batting, which is neither too poor to be placed and justified lower down the order and too good to be placed and justified in a promotion in the batting lineup.

He has very little power, very few shots, and rather average defense. However, he has shown on occasions that he has a solid temperament and ability to perform under pressure.

The last point can be an ample explaination for his success with the bat in Test cricket. Coming in at Number 8, he is provided with the perfect platform: get runs however you can and stay as long as possible on the crease.

His fielding aside, his bowling has shown that he is a genuine hard-worker in the nets. In South Africa, where Mahraj has not been played and Yasir been plundered for runs, Shadab has shown great strength for a young twenty-year-old.

He has not mastered the traditional leg-break and how to set-up batsmen, especially with his googly. He bowls half-trackers because he believes they will cause a lapse in concentration and be caught in an aggressive stroke, which although happens for him quite often in both ODI’s and T20’s, will not serve him well in the longer format.

I believe that he should continue to bat at Number 8 and be a permanent member of our squad. He should replace Yasir in the U.A.E because he can provide 20-35 runs more in a Test match that has been shown to be the difference on pitches that accelerate on Days 4 and 5.

Furthermore, he extracts more spin than Yasir and only lacks his control and accuracy, which can be improved only by bowling more balls.

Call him overrated or simply having an attitude problem, he is here to stay in the midst of Pakistan cricket for years to come.
 
hadi123 said:
He's only played 9 innings in his test career so far, and already has a 55 in Dublin against Ireland (ok, they're minnows, but it was relatively bowler friendly pitch and he came in under pressure so deserves credit for that knock regardless), a 52 against England at Lord's, that was a vital innings and helped us in getting a 1st innings lead that set us up for victory. He has a 56 against England at Leeds as well, and that too coming in a pressure situation and giving our bowlers something to bowl at. Today he scored 47* and am sure he would have got another half century if it wasn't for everyone else being out. These are some of the harder places to bat, and he's done well, so I think he is definitely capable of scoring Test centuries for Pakistan.
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He's a glorified tail ender who should not be batting above 11.
 
He is fine at 7 for Test matches.

for ODIs he should play as a bowler not all rounder.
 
He out performed many senior players with both bat and ball. He remains a special talent.

Still feel that we could have won the Centurion test had Shadab, Faheem played. Just needed 80-100 runs more. Our tail added zilch in that game.

The way he handled Steyn, Rabada was good to watch. The guy can seriously bat.
 
Khan12 said:
He's a glorified tail ender who should not be batting above 11.
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Really? Glorified tail enders are not capable of playing innings like he has in England and today, two very hard places against world class bowlers!
 
He is just 19 and looked miles ahead today from the selfish seniors Shafiq, Babar, Azhar occupying like leeches, he was also bounced but the way he played them showed if you are sincere to the team you'll do well. MAde partnershipsfrom no.8 to no. 11, if Faheem hd given him support they both would've made 300. He deserved to play early in series. Justified Arthur's confidence on him.
 
hadi123 said:
Really? Glorified tail enders are not capable of playing innings like he has in England and today, two very hard places against world class bowlers!
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Ok NVM [MENTION=138958]Khan12[/MENTION] I understand the context now of your posts ;)
 
hadi123 said:
Played some nice shots today. What a shot off the hat trick ball!
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The confidence to go on the front foot and drive. Terrific shot. Youthful exuberance maybe considering Sarf and Azhar's dismissals where they stayed on back foot expecting a short ball
 
Shadab has a solid temperament. He has the capablity in test matches to be a good allrounder. In Loi though his batting is too slow. His batting will be better in tests as no scoring rate pressure.
 
Fahdi said:
Will counties make him the offer considering his international obligations, plus they can only have one international player would they be willing to go with Shadab of all people?
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I mean aren't we free all summer after the world cup this year?
 
The guy has some guts.

He will only get better.

My concern though is expecting too much too soon in all 3 formats.
 
The Viper said:
Shadab has a solid temperament. He has the capablity in test matches to be a good allrounder. In Loi though his batting is too slow. His batting will be better in tests as no scoring rate pressure.
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This and for me he's captaincy material. Leads by example with his commitment, fitness, fielding and guts.

Just needs to establish himself in all 3 formats. I also think in longer formats he has the potential to develop into a batting all rounder.
 
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topspin said:
This and for me he's captaincy material. Leads by example with his commitment, fitness, fielding and guts.

Just needs to establish himself in all 3 formats. I also think in longer formats he has the potential to develop into a batting all rounder.
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The only problem being that we already have a primary legspinner for subcontinental conditions.

I would rather have a left arm spinner or ofspinner supporting Yasir in Asia. Variety is important.

Batting wise he adds a lot more than Sarfraz or Fakhar. Should bat at 6.
 
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If he can average 40, and continue to improve his bowling in Tests like he has, then he should be in the test side to balance it for sure. Problem is where does he bat? If we play two specialist openers with Haris, Babar and Saad/Usman to follow, then he can bat at 6. But if we would like to play both Saad and Usman, then he would bat at 7, this is usually where the keeper bats. And Pakistan cannot afford to not play with 4 specialist bowlers, Faheem is useful only in good bowling conditions, can’t see him doing well in UAE.
 
Shadab needs to decide what he wants to be. He should either work on his howling or develop in to the Steve Smith he wants to be. He’s been a regular part of the team and if he really is a batsman he needs to prove right away. Otherwise he should work on his bowling which I think is more valuable but he’s starting to lose focus.
 
he's a bowler who can hold a bat.

yet people slot him in as an all rounder at number 7

it's like india putting ashwin at number 7 in odis

recipe for disaster

we had asif ali and shadab khan at 6 and 7 respectively in the asia cup and we were surprised we struggled
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
The only problem being that we already have a primary legspinner for subcontinental conditions.

I would rather have a left arm spinner or ofspinner supporting Yasir in Asia. Variety is important.

Batting wise he adds a lot more than Sarfraz or Fakhar. Should bat at 6.
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oh great, and now he should bat at 6.

before you know it people will want him batting at 4

says it all about pakistan cricket when someone who can hold his own with the bat is your number 6 batsman
 
He has great potential with bat. U can sense he enjoys his batting when hes out there.
Needs to work hard on both aspects and if he does so he can become a great asset.
I just hope they promote him up the order in both odis and tests
 
Shadab will make a good 8. He looks to have a decent technique and a bit of courage which the experienced batsman have lacked.
 
Should seriously bat higher than Sarfraz in tests.

If Pakistan can find another high quality wicket taking spinner, time to drop Yasir Shah and replace him for Shadab when it comes to UAE tests - this will allow the team to strengthen their batting.
 
The question is, at the moment can he win a Test match with the bat or ball?
 
Saj said:
The question is, at the moment can he win a Test match with the bat or ball?
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I think we are at the stage where we need to try and win games as a team!! We don't need 11 matching winners ( we probably don't have them)
The question is do we need 5 bowlers (answer=yes)
And do you definitely have 6 batters who u can put your hand on your heart and say shadab is unlikely to score as much as them ( answer=no)
 
Bewal Express said:
Shadab will make a good 8. He looks to have a decent technique and a bit of courage which the experienced batsman have lacked.
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Agreed. Shadab is a no.8 and Faheem a no.9

I think Amir is a more reliable batsman than Faheem though
 
I have said this before, I think he can open the batting in one day cricket and thereby help the balance of the side. He is technically pretty solid and doesn’t quite have the firepower to be an effective #7 or #8 just yet. Get him to open and slot in a player who has some firepower (Asif ali?) at 6.
 
Officer Barbrady said:
I have said this before, I think he can open the batting in one day cricket and thereby help the balance of the side. He is technically pretty solid and doesn’t quite have the firepower to be an effective #7 or #8 just yet. Get him to open and slot in a player who has some firepower (Asif ali?) at 6.
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I don't think him opening is the answer. Let's not forget, the first 10 overs is powerplay so you need batsman capable of taking advantage of fielding restrictions.
 
capable batsman for sure.But he is not a pinch hitter he should bat in top six,there's no use of him down the order.
 
Missed an opportunity today. Should bat at 5 or 6. Get rid of useless Malik and Hafeez.
 
If Pakistan lose, will be because Shadab Khan batted at #7

This has been a very poor knock by the so-called all-rounder. The guy is a terrific bowler but should bat below Imad no matter what. Singlehandedly sucked the momentum out of the innings.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
This has been a very poor knock by the so-called all-rounder. The guy is a terrific bowler but should bat below Imad no matter what. Singlehandedly sucked the momentum out of the innings.
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Its not like Imad's much better with the bat. If anything, its preferable to bat Shadab at 7 ahead of Imad, so that he can pick up some experience.

Imad is like Jadeja - a limited batsman with a couple of bit shots in his armory. Shadab is more like Ashwin, ability to bat with proper technique, but limited power game. But Shadab is young and developing, and can potentially turn into a better batsman. It totally makes sense to bat him ahead of Imad, especially if there are more than 12 overs to go.
 
Banter said:
Its not like Imad's much better with the bat. If anything, its preferable to bat Shadab at 7 ahead of Imad, so that he can pick up some experience.

Imad is like Jadeja - a limited batsman with a couple of bit shots in his armory. Shadab is more like Ashwin, ability to bat with proper technique, but limited power game. But Shadab is young and developing, and can potentially turn into a better batsman. It totally makes sense to bat him ahead of Imad, especially if there are more than 12 overs to go.
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Lol so you’re putting his personal development above the teams needs. Great one. Might as well rename the team shadab xi
 
Banter said:
Its not like Imad's much better with the bat. If anything, its preferable to bat Shadab at 7 ahead of Imad, so that he can pick up some experience.

Imad is like Jadeja - a limited batsman with a couple of bit shots in his armory. Shadab is more like Ashwin, ability to bat with proper technique, but limited power game. But Shadab is young and developing, and can potentially turn into a better batsman. It totally makes sense to bat him ahead of Imad, especially if there are more than 12 overs to go.
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It doesn't matter in this format. He can't bat quick enough in ODIs. Imad can. Heck even Hasan can hit a ball. This guy should not be batting higher than #9
 
CricketDon said:
Lol so you’re putting his personal development above the teams needs. Great one. Might as well rename the team shadab xi
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First off, that's what these meaningless ODIs are for.

And second, in the context of THIS game, You want Imad to hit out in the last 5 overs - that's the best case scenario for Pakistan to get to some type of fighting total. And Imad's defensive game isn't that great that he can scratch around, execute good shot selection and minimize risk for 7 8 overs before playing his "natural game". Its actually better for the TEAM that Shadab - the slower bat, but with better tighter technique, gets the job to take the game a bit deeper, gets set in the process - that gives him the best chance to succeed, as well as Imad.

These are simple basics of the game. If you can't understand this, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
No it will be because of Malik and Rizwan in equal measure.

When they were batting we were only 4 down
 
I think there's just not enough proper batsmen, Shoaib Malik is coming in at 5 which says a lot.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It doesn't matter in this format. He can't bat quick enough in ODIs. Imad can. Heck even Hasan can hit a ball. This guy should not be batting higher than #9
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This is not a T20. And it wasn't the 45th over. #7 had to walk in with almost 12 overs left in the game.
 
I like Shadab's attitude and is a terrific fielder, but is turning out to be another bits and pieces.

Against the top sides in ODIs (Eng, Ind, NZ, SA, Aus, Ban) he averages 24 with the bat and 34 with the ball.

He's not good enough as an ODI batsman nor good enough to run through sides as our lead spinner.
 
His tuk tuk is of no use down the order, and he is not good enough to bat in the middle-order.
 
Banter said:
First off, that's what these meaningless ODIs are for.

And second, in the context of THIS game, You want Imad to hit out in the last 5 overs - that's the best case scenario for Pakistan to get to some type of fighting total. And Imad's defensive game isn't that great that he can scratch around, execute good shot selection and minimize risk for 7 8 overs before playing his "natural game". Its actually better for the TEAM that Shadab - the slower bat, but with better tighter technique, gets the job to take the game a bit deeper, gets set in the process - that gives him the best chance to succeed, as well as Imad.

These are simple basics of the game. If you can't understand this, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Well said.
 
He's not a batsman, he's a bowler who can get a few bonus runs with the bat. So essentially he really needs to be judged on his bowling.
 
Markhor said:
I like Shadab's attitude and is a terrific fielder, but is turning out to be another bits and pieces.

Against the top sides in ODIs (Eng, Ind, NZ, SA, Aus, Ban) he averages 24 with the bat and 34 with the ball.

He's not good enough as an ODI batsman nor good enough to run through sides as our lead spinner.
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He needs guidance to develop as a bowler. Has become too much of a darter. He's still young and developing as a player. Reminds me of Piyush Chawla - similarly talented with both bat and ball, but went awry due to overdose of white-ball cricket. I hope that doesn't happen to Shadab.
 
Mamoon said:
His tuk tuk is of no use down the order, and he is not good enough to bat in the middle-order.
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I know you are ruthlessly harsh on your team, but need to be patient with Shadab's batting. He's one of the few rough gems this team has.
 
I think Shadab should give up batting and concentrate more on his bowling and try more variations. As an all-rounder he has no future.
 
He's got good technique but needs to learn strike rotation
 
Banter said:
I know you are ruthlessly harsh on your team, but need to be patient with Shadab's batting. He's one of the few rough gems this team has.
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He is a Pakistani player. He is not going to develop into a top player.
 
What on earth was he doing?

Pathetic innings, no thought, no planning and his shot selection was awful.
 
Forget the batsman he is having a bad day overall. Very poor stuff so far from him
 
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