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[VIDEOS] Shadab Khan: The batsman

3 quick wickets and ball moving off the pitch with variable bounce.
Tough ask for the kid.
This well test him.

I rate his batting. Proper batsman. We need his batting in CT.
 
Don't have much Hopes

Another zabardasti ka all rounder like Nawaz, Tanvir Sobers
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
3 quick wickets and ball moving off the pitch with variable bounce.
Tough ask for the kid.
This well test him.

I rate his batting. Proper batsman. We need his batting in CT.
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Let's wait and watch.

A good 35+, would do wonders for his confidence
 
Slog said:
Don't have much Hopes

Another zabardasti ka all rounder like Nawaz, Tanvir Sobers
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not really, early in youth level he was more of a batsman, and in the PSL we were shown that he has plenty of shots, not a legside hack like Tool Kit and not as limited as Nawaz.
 
I think he should play his natural game freely, play some shots, don't get bogged down like Shafiq
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
not really, early in youth level he was more of a batsman, and in the PSL we were shown that he has plenty of shots, not a legside hack like Tool Kit and not as limited as Nawaz.
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Hope you're right

If he can average 25+ at 100+ SR in ODIs and around 32-33 in tests then we've got a solid long term option
 
Lovely cover drive for his first run in Test crickcet.

Nice high left elbow.
 
To be honest,

His shot range and stroke making is already better than the likes of Shoaib Malik, Rizwan, Fawad Alam, and dare I say even Sarfraz Ahmed.

He and Husain Talat can be our excellent accelerators. Both high quality potential allrounders.
 
Hawkeye said:
To be honest,

His shot range and stroke making is already better than the likes of Shoaib Malik, Rizwan, Fawad Alam, and dare I say even Sarfraz Ahmed.

He and Husain Talat can be our excellent accelerators. Both high quality potential allrounders.
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Bhai ap rehne dein ap se nahi hopayega yeh
 
How's he playing?

Eagerly, wanting to watch him play. Unfortunately, remote isn't working.
 
Hawkeye said:
To be honest,

His shot range and stroke making is already better than the likes of Shoaib Malik, Rizwan, Fawad Alam, and dare I say even Sarfraz Ahmed.

He and Husain Talat can be our excellent accelerators. Both high quality potential allrounders.
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Havent seen Hussain Talat bowl.
But Shadab is a World Class talent. A potential superstar. You get such genuine all rounders once in a decade.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Havent seen Hussain Talat bowl.
But Shadab is a World Class talent. A potential superstar. You get such genuine all rounders once in a decade.
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Husain isn't as good as Shadab in all-round abilities, but he's probably a better bat.

Syed1 said:
Bhai ap rehne dein ap se nahi hopayega yeh
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Get on the bandwagon and embrace it now before it's too late. Coming on board late isn't allowed.
 
Has more ability than Asad shafiq .
Hope he develops well.
Bats below sohail tanvir.
Got to love pakistan's thinktank.
 
Hawkeye said:
Husain isn't as good as Shadab in all-round abilities, but he's probably a better bat.



Get on the bandwagon and embrace it now before it's too late. Coming on board late isn't allowed.
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LMAO I'm on the Shadab bandwagon since day one, but you are claiming he already has better shots than Malik or Sarfaraz is a bit outlandish.
 
Hawkeye said:
Husain isn't as good as Shadab in all-round abilities, but he's probably a better bat.



Get on the bandwagon and embrace it now before it's too late. Coming on board late isn't allowed.
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Shadab is better at strike rotation and batting technique.
 
Hawkeye said:
To be honest,

His shot range and stroke making is already better than the likes of Shoaib Malik, Rizwan, Fawad Alam, and dare I say even Sarfraz Ahmed.

He and Husain Talat can be our excellent accelerators. Both high quality potential allrounders.
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He looks decent so far. I hope he gets a chance in Odis to bat more.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Havent seen Hussain Talat bowl.
But Shadab is a World Class talent. A potential superstar. You get such genuine all rounders once in a decade.
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Hamza_ said:
Shadab is better at strike rotation and batting technique.
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Also, I must add, that Shadab is a great stroke maker, but he cannot be expected to bat at 6/7 in ODIs and strike the ball out of the ground.

He's not really a great hitter. Talat is a better accelerator.
 
Hawkeye said:
Husain isn't as good as Shadab in all-round abilities, but he's probably a better bat.
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Shadab is someone who can win matches with both bat and bowl. And on a consistent basis.
Thats why I was against him rotting in domestics. So many careers destroyed in bakwas doemstic. Just keep him with the team.
 
Hasan123 said:
He looks decent so far. I hope he gets a chance in Odis to bat more.
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I wish the same.

But, as long as Sarfraz is there or someone gives him a kick, he will not promote Shadab.
 
Hawkeye said:
Also, I must add, that Shadab is a great stroke maker, but he cannot be expected to bat at 6/7 in ODIs and strike the ball out of the ground.

He's not really a great hitter. Talat is a better accelerator.
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Yes I agree, He is not a hitter.

Might smash a few once set.
 
Hawkeye said:
Also, I must add, that Shadab is a great stroke maker, but he cannot be expected to bat at 6/7 in ODIs and strike the ball out of the ground.

He's not really a great hitter. Talat is a better accelerator.
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Shady should bat at 6 in odis and see the magic. He is a proper batsman and not someone who you back to come at end and hit big.
 
Looks very good indeed!!

Dare I say it better then most of our top order batters..
 
Footwork is assured. Looks confident and looks like he wants to rotate the strike and not just hang around.

Solid defence and technically looks very good.
 
Talk about over-hyping someone..

mediocre with the ball, and now with the bat... should stick to LOIs only
 
Bewal Express said:
So a young leg spin bowler playing for the first time in a test is a mediocre? Thank heavens you are not a selector.
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Asghar deserved a selection ahead of him. My personal opinion. Two leg spinners in the same side is just too much.
 
waleed88 said:
Asghar deserved a selection ahead of him. My personal opinion. Two leg spinners in the same side is just too much.
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In test cricket having an all rounder does wonders. If Asghar played, our tail would start at Amir, 6 down. Not the best of situations considering it is Pakistan batting....
 
idrizzy said:
In test cricket having an all rounder does wonders. If Asghar played, our tail would start at Amir, 6 down. Not the best of situations considering it is Pakistan batting....
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It would be a more effective bowling pair, since there are two different types of bowlers... Sarfaraz bats at no.7 btw
 
waleed88 said:
Asghar deserved a selection ahead of him. My personal opinion. Two leg spinners in the same side is just too much.
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I like Asghar But that doesnt make Shadab mediocre. As you may or may not know, i was very critical of Yasir but i also appreciate how difficult it is to bowl good leg spin. Shadab is a very special talent but to be successful he needs to have many things going for him with the talent just one of those many things.
 
I actually wish Shadab would have been given more time with the bat in the short formats to really get a feel for how he is rather than make the first time we see him bat for a lengthy amount of time in test cricket.

Its pretty obvious his strong suit is limited overs. I think the more time we give him to grow the better he will become, inshaAllah
 
Hawkeye said:
To be honest,

His shot range and stroke making is already better than the likes of Shoaib Malik, Rizwan, Fawad Alam, and dare I say even Sarfraz Ahmed.

He and Husain Talat can be our excellent accelerators. Both high quality potential allrounders.
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to be honest, I think he's better than Lara and Bradman too
 
back from retirement because shadab is real quality. future captain of pak
 
Definitely has more potential than all Pakistani debutants of the last 5 years. He has all the qualities to be a world class test and LOI all-rounder. I just hope he is handled well by the selectors and team management as that for me will be his biggest challenge. Comparing him with hacks like Tanvir (batting) and bits and pieces players like Nawaz is ludicrous. He is already way ahead of them both and given opportunities, can only improve from here.
 
waleed88 said:
Talk about over-hyping someone..

mediocre with the ball, and now with the bat... should stick to LOIs only
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yes an 18 yr old leg spinning all rounder will be a total package in his 5th first class game. Developing test all rounders is a patience game hope the management back him however playing him in a 4 man attack at this stage is unfair to him.
 
He's got great potential with the bat as well. Got solid technique and also is not a limited batsmen like some of our batsmens. Hope he is played at 6 when misbah and younis retires.
 
Best 18 year old cricketer in the world atm. Hope he keeps it up and isn't let astray by others before him.

He has the talent, the drive, charisma and personality. Should become the face of Pakistan cricket in due time.
 
Suleiman said:
Best 18 year old cricketer in the world atm. Hope he keeps it up and isn't let astray by others before him.

He has the talent, the drive, charisma and personality. Should become the face of Pakistan cricket in due time.
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Of course. Destined for greatness...
 
Suleiman said:
Best 18 year old cricketer in the world atm. Hope he keeps it up and isn't let astray by others before him.

He has the talent, the drive, charisma and personality. Should become the face of Pakistan cricket in due time.
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I've said it before, i'll say it again. He is a future captain in the making if he continues on this path. His energy and commitment has no bounds it seems. During his SA tenure, Mickey was really successful in developing young talent, so I am confident Shadab will get the support he needs to develop into a world class AR.

I hope he is given a chance to bat up the order in the SL series.
 
The kid can bat, but he bats so low down the order he rarely gets an opportunity to showcase his abilities.
 
Suleiman said:
Yeah, sadly it can't be Imad Wasim, there's a new kid on the block. :afridi
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Imad may start to feel threatened which is no bad thing as it will make him work harder, especially on his batting. On current evidence, Shadab should bat ahead of Imad in SL series.

During the CT it was a case of either Shadab or Fahim would play with Imad a guaranteed starter. Soon, it may well be a choice of either Imad or Fahim playing with Shadab a guaranteed starter.
 
I didn't watch him bat today but so far what I've seen of him is that he has a technical glitche in his batting.He often falls over while playing the shot.

I remember Azhar Ali having a similar problem while batting and was exposed in the last test tour to England by the english bowlers and hence in the 1st two test matches he got out LBW or bowled by inswinging deliveries.But worked on that and we saw instant result in the 3rd test match where he scored a big hundred.He now is a very good player off his legs and plays beautifully through on-side.

So,this isn't something which can't be ironed out by just working in the nets and applying that in the match situations.I back him to realise and improve this side of his technique because mentally he is in right frame and as far as improvisation is concerned he can improvise at will and fortunately he looks someone who works hard on his game.
 
If he gets an opportunity to bat higher up the order like number 6 then we will see his true batting potential.
 
mak36 said:
Imad may start to feel threatened which is no bad thing as it will make him work harder, especially on his batting. On current evidence, Shadab should bat ahead of Imad in SL series.

During the CT it was a case of either Shadab or Fahim would play with Imad a guaranteed starter. Soon, it may well be a choice of either Imad or Fahim playing with Shadab a guaranteed starter.
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I agree with the strategy of:
7. Imad
8. Shadab/Fahim

You have to look at match situation and tactics. Don't get blinded by the Shadab hype train. Yes it's exciting how well he has played, but Imad has been better.

If you are playing one spinner in T20s, obviously you will go with Imad. He is #1 in the world and won't go at over 6 an over. Anyway, I'd play Shadab over Fahim any day in T20 so it's not a matter of debate.

Coming to ODIs, our opening bowlers are Amir and Junaid. And in middle overs we have Hasan Ali. Shadab is a middle overs bowler. He can't bowl in the opening overs (you should've seen if you watched St. Lucia vs Trinbago yesterday). And he is a wicket-taker (genuine leg-spinner). The problem with him is that on a flat track (most ODI pitches), he will go at over 6 an over most days. We saw what Pandya did to him in the last game. Thing is that Imad will keep things tight at one end while Hasan Ali is doing his magic. Imad never gets hit. Maximum he will go at 6 an over. It's clear to not only me, but also Pakistan cricket team that Imad is a guaranteed starter and Shadab isn't. This is only outside Asia as both will play there.

When it is about batting, it's one-sided debate. Imad has average 35+ and SR 100+ even after this poor form he's been in. Shadab is only 18, it's hard to hit sixes at this age unless you have 85+ mph pace on the ball (which won't happen in this slow ball era). Look at these CPL matches, every ball at the death is under 130 kph and the only good hitting we've seen is by big guys Brathwaite, Gayle and Pollard. Imad can muscle the ball better than Shadab. Both can play as proper batsman, but we have better options from 1-5 and Imad is a better hitter at 6-8 than Shadab. I know you are excited after the 30* (33) by Shadab, but even Mohammad Amir can do that. It's not something to get hyped about. Shady hit 1 six (slog sweep) and 1 four (cover drive), which were both against a random spinner.

There is no current evidence that Shadab should bat ahead of Imad, if there is then please give me some thanks. :)
 
mak36 said:
I've said it before, i'll say it again. He is a future captain in the making if he continues on this path.
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I have a ~15 points criteria for Pakistan's captaincy and Shadab ticks most points after Sarfraz in Pakistan.
But for the next 2-3 years, I will first observe him keenly and especially the path he choose. And hopefully if he continues like now, he should be groomed for Pakistan's captaincy.

Lot will depend on how he learns from Sarfraz as a player and leader and how he nurtures himself under his wings. He gives a lot of respect to Sarfraz and think of him highly but again have to see more of him. Remember Pakistan's captaincy is not like captaining mohalla or some other international team. We have our own things.
 
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There's one thing we can all agree on: at least our tail doesn't start at 7 anymore and we have bowlers who can bat a bit which should be a requisite nowadays since it gives you an edge against other bowlers.
 
Rayyman said:
I agree with the strategy of:
7. Imad
8. Shadab/Fahim

You have to look at match situation and tactics. Don't get blinded by the Shadab hype train. Yes it's exciting how well he has played, but Imad has been better.

If you are playing one spinner in T20s, obviously you will go with Imad. He is #1 in the world and won't go at over 6 an over. Anyway, I'd play Shadab over Fahim any day in T20 so it's not a matter of debate.

Coming to ODIs, our opening bowlers are Amir and Junaid. And in middle overs we have Hasan Ali. Shadab is a middle overs bowler. He can't bowl in the opening overs (you should've seen if you watched St. Lucia vs Trinbago yesterday). And he is a wicket-taker (genuine leg-spinner). The problem with him is that on a flat track (most ODI pitches), he will go at over 6 an over most days. We saw what Pandya did to him in the last game. Thing is that Imad will keep things tight at one end while Hasan Ali is doing his magic. Imad never gets hit. Maximum he will go at 6 an over. It's clear to not only me, but also Pakistan cricket team that Imad is a guaranteed starter and Shadab isn't. This is only outside Asia as both will play there.

When it is about batting, it's one-sided debate. Imad has average 35+ and SR 100+ even after this poor form he's been in. Shadab is only 18, it's hard to hit sixes at this age unless you have 85+ mph pace on the ball (which won't happen in this slow ball era). Look at these CPL matches, every ball at the death is under 130 kph and the only good hitting we've seen is by big guys Brathwaite, Gayle and Pollard. Imad can muscle the ball better than Shadab. Both can play as proper batsman, but we have better options from 1-5 and Imad is a better hitter at 6-8 than Shadab. I know you are excited after the 30* (33) by Shadab, but even Mohammad Amir can do that. It's not something to get hyped about. Shady hit 1 six (slog sweep) and 1 four (cover drive), which were both against a random spinner.

There is no current evidence that Shadab should bat ahead of Imad, if there is then please give me some thanks. :)
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Imad needs to first get rid of that belly of his and sort his fitness out if he wants a long spell in the LOI team. I'd have Shadab's energy and athleticism in the field anyday over the lazy, slow Imad.
 
This lad will eventually be batting at number 6 or 7 in the order in ODIs and T20Is.

He looks a proper batsman and someone who can bat according to the situation.
 
Boi said:
Imad needs to first get rid of that belly of his and sort his fitness out if he wants a long spell in the LOI team. I'd have Shadab's energy and athleticism in the field anyday over the lazy, slow Imad.
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No doubt.

This isn't about fielding though. The thread is "Shadab Khan-The batsman"
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
I have a ~15 points criteria for Pakistan's captaincy and Shadab ticks most points after Sarfraz in Pakistan.
But for the next 2-3 years, I will first observe him keenly and especially the path he choose. And hopefully if he continues like now, he should be groomed for Pakistan's captaincy.

Lot will depend on how he learns from Sarfraz as a player and leader and how he nurtures himself under his wings. He gives a lot of respect to Sarfraz and think of him highly but again have to see more of him. Remember Pakistan's captaincy is not like captaining mohalla or some other international team. We have our own things.
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Yes exactly. Obviously it is difficult to predict the future, but if Shadab continues on the path he is on he should be groomed for captaincy- that's why I said it. Grooming future captain(s) is not something Pakistan has always done but with the current management I am sure they will be sensible enough to start developing options.

From what I have seen so far, Shadab seems to be a very keen learner. Like Sarfaraz, he also has aggression in his game so he should certainly prosper under the wings of Sarfaraz.
 
Justcrazy said:
Shadab should be pushed up the order slowly.
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For his development as an allrounder he should be sent at 5-6 in his domestic games, maybe the odd 4 at times. That's how Imran Khan polished his batting, used to come at 4-5 in county games and still fit enough to bowl.

He is no Imran but he is young, and ideally should be fit. However if he is blessed to be under the captaincy of Sohail Tanvir or Faisal Hollywood Iqbal we can forget about all that as they will send him at 10 or 11.

In internationals though he should focus on being a gun bowler first and branch out.
 
Rayyman said:
I agree with the strategy of:
7. Imad
8. Shadab/Fahim

You have to look at match situation and tactics. Don't get blinded by the Shadab hype train. Yes it's exciting how well he has played, but Imad has been better.

If you are playing one spinner in T20s, obviously you will go with Imad. He is #1 in the world and won't go at over 6 an over. Anyway, I'd play Shadab over Fahim any day in T20 so it's not a matter of debate.

Coming to ODIs, our opening bowlers are Amir and Junaid. And in middle overs we have Hasan Ali. Shadab is a middle overs bowler. He can't bowl in the opening overs (you should've seen if you watched St. Lucia vs Trinbago yesterday). And he is a wicket-taker (genuine leg-spinner). The problem with him is that on a flat track (most ODI pitches), he will go at over 6 an over most days. We saw what Pandya did to him in the last game. Thing is that Imad will keep things tight at one end while Hasan Ali is doing his magic. Imad never gets hit. Maximum he will go at 6 an over. It's clear to not only me, but also Pakistan cricket team that Imad is a guaranteed starter and Shadab isn't. This is only outside Asia as both will play there.

When it is about batting, it's one-sided debate. Imad has average 35+ and SR 100+ even after this poor form he's been in. Shadab is only 18, it's hard to hit sixes at this age unless you have 85+ mph pace on the ball (which won't happen in this slow ball era). Look at these CPL matches, every ball at the death is under 130 kph and the only good hitting we've seen is by big guys Brathwaite, Gayle and Pollard. Imad can muscle the ball better than Shadab. Both can play as proper batsman, but we have better options from 1-5 and Imad is a better hitter at 6-8 than Shadab. I know you are excited after the 30* (33) by Shadab, but even Mohammad Amir can do that. It's not something to get hyped about. Shady hit 1 six (slog sweep) and 1 four (cover drive), which were both against a random spinner.

There is no current evidence that Shadab should bat ahead of Imad, if there is then please give me some thanks. :)
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the excitement is not on account of the 30*(33). it's his innings in the PSL. look him up on youtube. what you see is a 360 batsman who looks more inventive than imad. the kind that you want in the lower order to up the run rate. or even, i would dare, opening in T20 situation. we all know wasim's problems, which are not reducible merely to his form. he's a slow starter and in the end overs he doesn't have enough time to get going. the ct final was a case in point.

there is another thread on the board now which asks whether we can now talk about decent bench strength/squad depth for the pakistani side and i think that is true in ODIs and T20s. but it is also entirely a function of how players are managed. players don't just telepor unto the bench. to sustain bench strength you need to rotate them in, give chances in dead rubbers, and generally speaking play with a mind to developing talent.

if you are developing talent, 'what evidence is there for this player's quality' is absolutely the wrong question to ask. it is true for developing players as much as established internationals, like shafiq; in the end only time, ie hindsight will tell whether you were good enough. if you don't have hindsight at hand you have to use inference. you have to look for signs and indicators, not evidence.

Now, the ability to play a gorgeous off drive is not an indicator. Looking good technically may be a consideration, but is in my mind over stated. The most important indicator should simply be performance. Shadab, in addition to playing some wonderfully confident and inventive PSL innings, has an FC double century after only 5 FC games, and same SR as Imad in T20. But he's 18, with every chance to get much better, and all the potential in the world. Imad is a decade older than him.

there is an additional problem with developing allrounders like shadab, which is that that you have to do some proactive managing. it is not just enough to let him play and see how he goes. because while he always gets a chance to bowl, he has barely had a chance to bat. asserting dogmatically that he should always come in after imad is completely the wrong way to go. in the interest of player development he should be given chances to play higher up whenever possible. the question is not, who is better now, but who will be our best option in two years.
 
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shadab better batsman than hafiz,imad and shahzad...

after watching him today,the way he managed his innings it was very imressive,i think he has high ceiling than hafiz.shahzad and immad.he will get better and better with the time.
 
DRsohail said:
whan did immy,shahzad and hafiz scored 150?? we are talking about the approach and technique plus potential..
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You make it seem like the former three have never scored 50s. They are all
better batsman, though Shadab is the best bowler.
 
Rayyman said:
You make it seem like the former three have never scored 50s. They are all
better batsman, though Shadab is the best bowler.
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if u play in top 5 regularly the obviously u will score on some of easy pitches and weak oppsition,,
 
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