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[VIDEOS] "Shoaib Akhtar needs business in India so he has to praise us" : Virender Sehwag

Altho he isnt wrong about Akhtar but Shabby destroyed him here:


"My answer to Sehwag is that I have more money than he has hair on his head"

:))) :yk :misbah

what a tagra reply

This is a weak reply. He must be really poor if he has to compare his money with sehwag's hair.
 
Honest and upright. Viru you legend! Btw it's not just minnows like Akhtar that he calls out. He calls out the Aussies too. Those who call sehwag a liar should remember that the likes of Akhtar lied plenty too. :inti
 
Look at some of our Pakistanis getting offended by Sehwag's remarks when they were calling for Shoaib's head for Catering to Indian market.
 
Gotta love Sehwag, dished Akhtar some much needed off-field phainta, just like the on-field phainta in thier playing days. :91:
 
Why is this **** guy feeling discomfort.Ask Indian people not to follow him .Simple is that.
 
That's how businesses work. Indian corporations, or International for that matter, pay YouTube and a bit of money flows to Shoaib for giving them a platform to market their products and services to their target audience. What's with the looting off gullible awaam? Lol

those indian corporations get that money from the indian awaam.

he's exploiting gullibility because he says only what he thinks Indian awaam wants to hear rather than what he genuinely believes. Often he's said one thing on his youtube channel and later on given a different actual opinion of his on the PTV show he does. Basically he says something for the clicks and the Indian awaam is following him like he is Pied Piper.
 
those indian corporations get that money from the indian awaam.

he's exploiting gullibility because he says only what he thinks Indian awaam wants to hear rather than what he genuinely believes. Often he's said one thing on his youtube channel and later on given a different actual opinion of his on the PTV show he does. Basically he says something for the clicks and the Indian awaam is following him like he is Pied Piper.
Nope, you’ve got it all wrong. Indian awaam is Akbar and he’s their Anarkali - dancing on their tunes to get some lose change. :)
 
Nope, you’ve got it all wrong. Indian awaam is Akbar and he’s their Anarkali - dancing on their tunes to get some lose change. :)
Nah. Indian Awaam is clicking and he’s laughing all the way to the bank.

It’s almost funny tho. India is apparently having an economic boycott of Pakistan cricket and Akhtar and others are taking money out of indian pockets
 
Gotta love Akhtar reply to that nobody sehwag haha cuz Akhtar said it like it is :) loser sehwag should keep his mouth shut

That loser and nobody Sehwag is a two time world cup winner. :)

It's quite easy to find the "nobody" out of these two.
 
That loser and nobody Sehwag is a two time world cup winner. :)

It's quite easy to find the "nobody" out of these two.

That nobody had his career ended by Mohammad irfan out of all bowlers and Shoaib Akhtar is the fastest bowler of all time so if you wanna call him a nobody than go a head lol
 
Nah. Indian Awaam is clicking and he’s laughing all the way to the bank.

It’s almost funny tho. India is apparently having an economic boycott of Pakistan cricket and Akhtar and others are taking money out of indian pockets

That’s totally what an Anarkali will believe. :)
 
That nobody had his career ended by Mohammad irfan out of all bowlers and Shoaib Akhtar is the fastest bowler of all time so if you wanna call him a nobody than go a head lol

Career ended by Mohammad Irfan ? :)))

How ?

Oh and I'm sure Sehwag wants to trade his "world champion medals" with Akhtar's "very useful" fastest bowler tag. :)
 
Career ended by Mohammad Irfan ? :)))

How ?

Oh and I'm sure Sehwag wants to trade his "world champion medals" with Akhtar's "very useful" fastest bowler tag. :)

Oh please we all know how India won the World Cup in 2011 so let's not go thier
And irfan exposed him in aane do series
 
Judging on looks. Ermm.
Looks like Sehwag has hit a nerve here. Not as bad as the way he destroyed Gully bhai in the semi finals though.

Not as bad as irfan ending his career or Akhtar clean bowling him and sehwag looking down and walking back to the dug out
 
Not as bad as irfan ending his career or Akhtar clean bowling him and sehwag looking down and walking back to the dug out

Oh the one trick pony Irfan. Wonder where he is these days. Lol

Sehwag has a long list of ending Pakistani careers - a certain Saqi bhai comes to my mind. :))

And Akhtar and “ending careers” always makes me chuckle though. All I can remember is Ross Taylor. Perhaps the most epic way a career ended in tears on a single day.
 
Oh the one trick pony Irfan. Wonder where he is these days. Lol

Sehwag has a long list of ending Pakistani careers - a certain Saqi bhai comes to my mind. :))

And Akhtar and “ending careers” always makes me chuckle though. All I can remember is Ross Taylor. Perhaps the most epic way a career ended in tears on a single day.

Don't be bitter that both sehwag and Gautam Gambhir career ended by Pakistanis and of course what about the famous cheetan Sharma list goes on and on
 
Don't be bitter that both sehwag and Gautam Gambhir career ended by Pakistanis and of course what about the famous cheetan Sharma list goes on and on

The careers also ended coz Indian management and captain took decisions.. not every country can have youngsta beauties playing till 43.

Both the batsmen could had continued being mediocre and scoring a century here and there, would that had meant something else then?
 
It seems that some Pakistani posters here hate Shoaib while he spoke the TRUTH that discrimination is indeed present at the national level too in one form or another against the non-Muslims in Pakistan.

But the religious Pakistanis are not ready to accept this fact.

Instead of accepting the truth, the have started abusing Shoaib Akhtar.


And Sehwag is a complete donkey. You cannot such serious accusation against the others without any solid reason, just on the bases of your conjecture.

If you bash Indian team, then it becomes hatred

When you praise Indian team then it becomes running after the money.

When you stay quite, then they will say that you are jealous of Indian Team and does not praise them that they deserve.

Lesson is, you are always going to find an excuse.


Sehwag has done nothing else than boasting about the wealth of his country and thus belittling other people of other nation.
 
Sehwag is basically saying what all Pakistani posters have been saying..

Pakistani posters were clearly saying this while they hated Shoaib while he took the side of Kaneria and told only the truth, which those Pakistanis were unable to digest.

And at that time Hindustanis were praising Shoaib for this Truth.

But now since Sehwag made a stupid statement which no descent person could and should make against others, therefore now Indians have to support this stupid statement of Sehwag. What hypocrite Indians too are.
 
Sehwag needs to shut up about legends like Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib. These guys are once in a life time kind of players and any praise from them should be accepted humbly.

Why create animosity with former players by making such comments? Sehwag is a troll, but this is a really bad comment IMO.
 
No mention by Sehwag of non-Pakistani former players who work in Indian media and speak about Indian players.
 
Pakistani posters were clearly saying this while they hated Shoaib while he took the side of Kaneria and told only the truth, which those Pakistanis were unable to digest.

And at that time Hindustanis were praising Shoaib for this Truth.

But now since Sehwag made a stupid statement which no descent person could and should make against others, therefore now Indians have to support this stupid statement of Sehwag. What hypocrite Indians too are.

Yes , I guess most of us are.. but Sehwag’s behavior and words as already said by [MENTION=140806]jnaveen1980[/MENTION] are “He has this school boy maturity when it comes to interacting with his fellow players. It is not in good taste. But i don't expect Sehwag to change.”

are true
 
It seems that some Pakistani posters here hate Shoaib while he spoke the TRUTH that discrimination is indeed present at the national level too in one form or another against the non-Muslims in Pakistan.

But the religious Pakistanis are not ready to accept this fact.

Instead of accepting the truth, the have started abusing Shoaib Akhtar.




If we accept, even for a minute, that your argument is true, what stopped Shoaib from naming even a single guilty player? Multiple players have come out and vehemently denied what Shoaib has accused.

This whole discussion/debate was about Kaneria and the alleged biased treatment metted to him by Pakistani players in the team...yet, not a single name has been mentioned, why? Because Shoaib as usual has spouted bakwaas without thinking for a second!

Whether there is bias in Pakistan for Hindus/other religion followers is another debate which can be had on any other level not in the same place where it was being done in the context of Pakistani cricket.
 
If we accept, even for a minute, that your argument is true, what stopped Shoaib from naming even a single guilty player? Multiple players have come out and vehemently denied what Shoaib has accused.

This whole discussion/debate was about Kaneria and the alleged biased treatment metted to him by Pakistani players in the team...yet, not a single name has been mentioned, why? Because Shoaib as usual has spouted bakwaas without thinking for a second!

Whether there is bias in Pakistan for Hindus/other religion followers is another debate which can be had on any other level not in the same place where it was being done in the context of Pakistani cricket.


Pakistani Team and players are no different than the normal Pakistani people. They have not landed in the Team directly from the heavens. They are the product of the same culture.

Kaneria has also confirmed this discrimination.


https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/sho...against-danish-kaneria-says-basit-ali-2159646

Kaneria, who has featured in 61 Tests and 18 ODIs for Pakistan, had confirmed the allegations and said that only a few players like Akhtar, former skipper Inzamam Ul Haq, Younis Khan and Mohammad Yousuf had supported him.


"I am amazed that Kaneria is saying that he will reveal the names later. Shoaib doesn't need any publicity. He has been a fan favourite and will always be. He doesn't need any fame.



This same Pakistani cricket team also have severe problem of regionalism.


Shoaib was mentioning all those problems which he saw in the Pakistani Team. But people took a cheap shot at him, and started blaming him for getting fame in India. Therefore, they neglected the regionalism part, and only took the Kaneria issue so that they could criticise him.
 
Slightly different situation.

I'm referring to former players who aren't Pakistani but are working in Indian media - but no mention of them by Sehwag.

A very good and valid point by you [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION]

I also want to mention that Indian cricket may be rich, but about rest of the black Indians we see the White supremacist talk the same way, i.e:

(1) They come here while there are 100 Indian Rs in one pound sterling.

(2) Call centres in India

etc

Today Sehwag looked down at Shoaib for him being from poor Pakistan. Tomorrow Sehwag will look down at all other West Indies and other foreign players who praise Indian cricketers in the same tone, while in one way or another they also wish to earn money from IPL.
 
Pakistani Team and players are no different than the normal Pakistani people. They have not landed in the Team directly from the heavens. They are the product of the same culture.

Kaneria has also confirmed this discrimination.


https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/sho...against-danish-kaneria-says-basit-ali-2159646

Kaneria, who has featured in 61 Tests and 18 ODIs for Pakistan, had confirmed the allegations and said that only a few players like Akhtar, former skipper Inzamam Ul Haq, Younis Khan and Mohammad Yousuf had supported him.


"I am amazed that Kaneria is saying that he will reveal the names later. Shoaib doesn't need any publicity. He has been a fan favourite and will always be. He doesn't need any fame.



This same Pakistani cricket team also have severe problem of regionalism.


Shoaib was mentioning all those problems which he saw in the Pakistani Team. But people took a cheap shot at him, and started blaming him for getting fame in India. Therefore, they neglected the regionalism part, and only took the Kaneria issue so that they could criticise him.




Still no names from either of them, if you point out a problem (so-called so far), then have the courage to name the culprits as well so that a proper process can be followed!

If Shoaib is such a trail blazer, brave, honest and outspoken person as all his die hard supporters always claim...what is there that is stopping him from naming the names then?

Kaneria is already banned and not getting any support from anyone, he might as well call out those who wronged him, without any further fear of retribution.

Fact is, Shoaib is a well known liar and bakwaas spouter and Kaneria is a match fixer...their words against multiple players (so far who have come out and spoken against their claims) is all I see!
 
I'd have more respect for Sehwag if he also criticised the Aussies and New Zealanders etc sat on Indian media outlets voicing there opinions about Indian cricket.
 
I saw the video.. Akhtar reply to Viru was so meak... he does not want to offend India else dukkann kaise chalegi
 
I still want to see shoaib akhtars interview with salman butt that was pulled down
Veerinder needs to move on with his life now he's not scoring 200s anymore
 
I'd have more respect for Sehwag if he also criticised the Aussies and New Zealanders etc sat on Indian media outlets voicing there opinions about Indian cricket.

Why Saj...it is clearly visible from Shoaibs click bait videos he is targeting a market.... the stuff about kaneria was total crap and a lie..Aussies and New Zealander’s talk only cricket and that too its a paid job on a channel
 
Why Saj...it is clearly visible from Shoaibs click bait videos he is targeting a market.... the stuff about kaneria was total crap and a lie..Aussies and New Zealander’s talk only cricket and that too its a paid job on a channel

I'm not defending Akhtar I know what he's doing, but what I am saying is look at Sehwag's stance when he's just targeting a Pakistani and not the Aussies and Kiwis working in Indian media.
 
I'm not defending Akhtar I know what he's doing, but what I am saying is look at Sehwag's stance when he's just targeting a Pakistani and not the Aussies and Kiwis working in Indian media.

Saj you are reporter yourself and I have seen your reports on Indian cricket. Aussies and New Zealander’s do the same san the boot licking that this Akhtar does which is annoying
 
I'm not defending Akhtar I know what he's doing, but what I am saying is look at Sehwag's stance when he's just targeting a Pakistani and not the Aussies and Kiwis working in Indian media.

I shouldn’t remind you that there is a history between India & Pakistan & also between the two boards with one trying to sue the other,which simply doesn’t exist with other countries- so no real surprise there that Sehwag didn’t bring up the Aussie or Kiwi commentators. In this scenario, it is really jarring that Pakistani ex-cricketers like Akhter, Saqlain, Rameez Raja & even Inzi are leaving behind their self-pride pandering to the viewers of other country to make a few quick bucks. I am yet to see any Indian ex-cricketer discuss Babar Azam the way these guys go on about Kohli or Sharma.

So, yes i agree with Sehwag here - these guys are nauseating in their praise of the Indian cricketers.
 
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I shouldn’t remind you that there is a history between India & Pakistan & also between the two boards with one trying to sue the other,which simply doesn’t exist with other countries- so no real surprise there that Sehwag didn’t bring up the Aussie or Kiwi commentators. In this scenario, it is really jarring that Pakistani ex-cricketers like Akhter, Saqlain, Rameez Raja & even Inzi are leaving behind their self-pride pandering to the viewers of other country to make a few quick bucks. I am yet to see any Indian ex-cricketer discuss Babar Azam the way these guys go on about Kohli or Sharma.

So, yes i agree with Sehwag here - these guys are nauseating in their praise of the Indian cricketers.

Pakistan needs to have a charismatic cricketer for anyone to talk about them. Are Aussies or Kiwis talking about Pakistani cricketers?
Indian cricketers were in awe of Imran Khan and they always made this known. Sanjay Manjrekar's autobiography which was published recently has quite a bit of praise for IK.
 
Think we can now understand Sehwags point of view...


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The likes of Akhtar and afridi have made disparaging comments about india and Indian cricketers in their playing days and Akhtar has done that on Pakistani TV shows. Akhtar is now sucking up to Indian cricket to make money.

Aussie , NZ, English cricketers are fairly neutral when it comes to India. Why would sehwag call them out?
 
The likes of Akhtar and afridi have made disparaging comments about india and Indian cricketers in their playing days and Akhtar has done that on Pakistani TV shows. Akhtar is now sucking up to Indian cricket to make money.

Aussie , NZ, English cricketers are fairly neutral when it comes to India. Why would sehwag call them out?

Because he is trying too hard?
 
Because he is trying too hard?

Akhtar comes off as a hypocrite in a way the likes of Aussie and NZ cricketers working in Indian media don't . I have no problem with what Akhtar is doing and I'm not gonna judge him personally but this would be akin to Gautam gambhir taking a u turn and praising Pakistani cricket and it's players to make money off Pakistan.
 
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Lol he just keeps rubbing it in doesn’t he... never stops
 
Akhtar is making easy money talking rubbish on his channel.

Sehwag was a flat track bully and his joke are just as flat as his footwork was.

Sehwag for RSS/BJP minister in years to come.
 
Akhtar is making easy money talking rubbish on his channel.

Sehwag was a flat track bully and his joke are just as flat as his footwork was.

Sehwag for RSS/BJP minister in years to come.

Bhai Sehwag has a century in England Australia ... century in South Africa on debut..and he absolutely marmalised Pakistan in Pakistan... scored centuries on square turners in Sri Lanka... he is not a flat track bully..
 
Look at this clown, RSS must be giving him some sort of passionate late night secret training.

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Bhai Sehwag has a century in England Australia ... century in South Africa on debut..and he absolutely marmalised Pakistan in Pakistan... scored centuries on square turners in Sri Lanka... he is not a flat track bully..

He was dropped 3 times in Aus and hit on the head twice. So 2 hundreds and you come up with he's not a flat track bully. lol

You should join Akhtar in his channel. Sehwag had lesser footwork than a penguin which is why he was made to look foolish on many occasions.

Both are idiots but Akhtar was a rare special bowler.
 
He was dropped 3 times in Aus and hit on the head twice. So 2 hundreds and you come up with he's not a flat track bully. lol

You should join Akhtar in his channel. Sehwag had lesser footwork than a penguin which is why he was made to look foolish on many occasions.

Both are idiots but Akhtar was a rare special bowler.

So no Pakistan batsman gets hit on the head.. they are headless or what... absurd logic.. Sehwag changed the definition of opening batsman in test matches.. he is pretty rare as well..off course Akhtar is doing it for views and money and Sehwag speaks truth..which is why it hurts
 
So no Pakistan batsman gets hit on the head.. they are headless or what... absurd logic.. Sehwag changed the definition of opening batsman in test matches.. he is pretty rare as well..off course Akhtar is doing it for views and money and Sehwag speaks truth..which is why it hurts

If you knew anything about batting , you'd know Sehwag was a flat track bully, a very good one but his technique was non-existant. Good hand eye, balance and roads made him the crickter he was. If he grew up in England, he wouldn't have been in the England B team.

So if inzamam Anwar can display their religion why not Sehwag

Inzy doesn't spread daily hatred against others. Sehwag is anti-Pak because has the RSS ideology in his soul.
 
Bhai Sehwag has a century in England Australia ... century in South Africa on debut..and he absolutely marmalised Pakistan in Pakistan... scored centuries on square turners in Sri Lanka... he is not a flat track bully..

The guy average in 20s in 3 out of 4 SENA countries. He was the ultimate FTB.
 
If you knew anything about batting , you'd know Sehwag was a flat track bully, a very good one but his technique was non-existant. Good hand eye, balance and roads made him the crickter he was. If he grew up in England, he wouldn't have been in the England B team.



Inzy doesn't spread daily hatred against others. Sehwag is anti-Pak because has the RSS ideology in his soul.

Anti pak does not equate to anti Islam.. there is a huge difference between the two....
 
Anti pak does not equate to anti Islam.. there is a huge difference between the two....

Your rationalization attempts are just waste of time. Sehwag had his fair share of success in international cricket esp. against Pakistan. Also, he can wear whatever dress he wants. He doesn't need approval or validation from unknowns on the internet.
 
Your rationalization attempts are just waste of time. Sehwag had his fair share of success in international cricket esp. against Pakistan. Also, he can wear whatever dress he wants. He doesn't need approval or validation from unknowns on the internet.

Some people can put a signature like they are not bothered about opinions of Sheep but only Sehwag can act that way :P
 
Because he is trying too hard?

You'll never see an Indian cricketer or TV guy make fun of Wasim Akram. And Akram was on Indian TV long before anyone else.

Because, he's always been dignified, especially while showering praise on Indian cricket.

Akhtar is no doubt a Pakistani legend and had his fans in India. Heck, there was even an ad of a bald middle-aged man in front of a mirror playacting that he's Shoaib Akhtar. But over the years, he's shown himself to be insincere and a fraud when it comes to opinions. He sold his soul for money and some Pak posters here can try desperately to turn this into a win by saying he's using Indians. If being a hypocrite and having no dignity or integrity is still something worth pursuing in life, well good luck to such people.

And all this is coming from a massive ex-Akhtar fan who once went to watch Pak in a stadium only to see him bowl.
 
One has to be insane to compare Akhtar as a cricketer with Sehwag. For all his shortcomings, Sehwas has more than 8500 Test runs, that came at an average of almost 50 and an SR of 82 odd, and has 2 triple hundreds.

What exactly did Akhtar achieve in the true form of the game? The guy has 178 Test wickets and didn’t even play 50 Tests.
 
One has to be insane to compare Akhtar as a cricketer with Sehwag. For all his shortcomings, Sehwas has more than 8500 Test runs, that came at an average of almost 50 and an SR of 82 odd, and has 2 triple hundreds.

What exactly did Akhtar achieve in the true form of the game? The guy has 178 Test wickets and didn’t even play 50 Tests.

When great fast bowlers of the game are talked about, Akhtar’s name always does come up whereas the same is not the case when the great openers of the game are talked about.

Sehwag averaging 20s in three countries which have swing and seam is very damaging to overall legacy and why he isn’t mentioned as a cricket great. Prolly the greatest ever opener in subcontinent though. But even Kohli said that subcontinental batsmen have to prove themselves in SENA. (Documentary with Nasser Hussain for Sky)
 
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When great fast bowlers of the game are talked about, Akhtar’s name always does come up whereas the same is not the case when the great openers of the game are talked about.

Sehwag averaging 20s in three countries which have swing and seam is very damaging to overall legacy and why he isn’t mentioned as a cricket great. Prolly the greatest ever opener in subcontinent though. But even Kohli said that subcontinental batsmen have to prove themselves in SENA. (Documentary with Nasser Hussain for Sky)

:)) Now I’ve heard it all. The only time Akhtar’s name comes up is when the talk about the fastest bowlers in the game comes up. He isn’t even close to being a great. He achieved jack in Test cricket with 178 wickets which is laughable. Not to mention his horrible record against India and Australia.

Sehwas has achieved 10x more than him in Tests and is 10x the cricketer compared to him, although he may not be among the greatest.
 
Akhtar is a nobody compared to Sehwag.

Sehwag has had a far better career in addition to terrorizing Pakistan during Shoaib’s time.

Overall, Shoaib was Sehwag’s bunny.

Shoaib has his own place in history because of his reputation as arguably the fastest bowler of all time.

His Mickey Mouse hall of Test wickets will not take that away from him, but he is nowhere near Sehwag in terms of stature.
 
Really trash talking, childish immature comment from a player like shewag.
 
When great fast bowlers of the game are talked about, Akhtar’s name always does come up whereas the same is not the case when the great openers of the game are talked about.

Sehwag averaging 20s in three countries which have swing and seam is very damaging to overall legacy and why he isn’t mentioned as a cricket great. Prolly the greatest ever opener in subcontinent though. But even Kohli said that subcontinental batsmen have to prove themselves in SENA. (Documentary with Nasser Hussain for Sky)

It should be the opposite. Shehwag took the test batting to a new level as an opener, entertaining, terrorizing the opposition bowlers with strokeplay. He is definitely there in the list of great openers of all time, but Shoib is not as a fast bowler. He was very good, worth of mentioning, but couldn't make a career worthy of considering him among the greats
 
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