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Anchorman said:
To add to this rant, people want to see some change at the top so bad that they big up performances of Root and Williamson. Recently, there was an influx of posts which suggested that Root is closing the gap on Kohli - the ODI batsman.

Root has 14 hundreds in his entire ODI career. Williamson has 11. Kohli has 10 in his last 25 innings.

The argument that Kohli plays on flatter decks also doesn't apply here as Root plays on the FLATTEST decks in the world while Williamson plays most of his cricket in bite-sized grounds.

Imagine thinking anyone is closing the gap in ODIs..
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Are you serious? :))
 
I have not seen any batsman as good as Kohli. He has the ruthlessness of a king. It doesnt matter which format he is playing or on what score he is batting. He just doesnt want to get out. More often then not he finishes the game.
And one game I cant forget is Ind vs Aus at Mohali. about 40 runs were needed in 3 overs. And he smashed 36 in next. Just not that coulternile was firing in the yorkers which kohli was squeezing past the point.
Sachin was good but he never really had the aura of a king or gave sense of invicibility when the match was in a tight situation. I cant remember sachin finishing a tight match. Ever
Kohli above all is feared by everyone and sachin even though was good but everyone knew that india had more dangerous batters in Sehwag and Yuvraj.
 
Last 7 innings - 104, 46, 45, 43, 60, 44, 116

Average - 65.42

Even Tendulkar wishes he declined like this lol
 
Anchorman said:
To add to this rant, people want to see some change at the top so bad that they big up performances of Root and Williamson. Recently, there was an influx of posts which suggested that Root is closing the gap on Kohli - the ODI batsman.

Root has 14 hundreds in his entire ODI career. Williamson has 11. Kohli has 10 in his last 25 innings.

The argument that Kohli plays on flatter decks also doesn't apply here as Root plays on the FLATTEST decks in the world while Williamson plays most of his cricket in bite-sized grounds.

Imagine thinking anyone is closing the gap in ODIs..
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Root + Williamson + Smith = 39 centuries. Kohli has 40. Pretty shocking actually.

Kohli is miles ahead of even Taylor and Rohit (who are probably the second and third best at the moment).
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Tendulkar > Kohli
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Come on bro. We respect the fact that Sachin has carried the cricketing pride of this nation for 20 years and we unconditionally love him, but that doesn't mean we turn a blind eye on another legend who is surpassing our previous legend.
Gotta accept that another player has clearly surpassed him
 
Sachin is the first cricket love for most ppl, and that's the only biased reason why some ppl call him better.

By ability, performances, achievements, Kohli is way ahead. Sachin isn't even close.
 
Kohli is way ahead of Sachin. Kohli always plays for the team and winning is his priority. Several times when Sachin was selfish and played for his stats. There is no debate. Kohli is way better than Sachin in ODI's and T20's and maybe even test cricket
 
Decline, no chance.

Maybe a few poor matches here and there but certainly not a decline.
 
I just noticed now. OP says "He has not scored a century since January" On January 15th he made a 100. No 100 between Jan 15 and March 2nd. 45 days no century = decline. Misba ul haq 4711 days no century :)))
 
Man has left Sachin in the dust, a juggernaut for eternity. Privilege to watch this man at the peak of his powers.
 
Anchorman said:
I believe there are certain segments of the Indian fanbase that are so invested in Sachin's career that they simply can't accept the possibility that there may ever be a better batsman than him especially so quickly after his retirement, even though they are blessed beyond belief that the heir to his throne still plays for India.

They latch onto every shortcoming, nit-pick minute details and hold Kohli to an even higher standard than their idol because after all "Kohli is blessed with a great support-cast, while Sachin played with Chunnu, Munnu, Pappu and Rasheed." Therefore, Kohli is expected to score a century every time he comes out to bat, and if he does and India lose the game, then the pitchforks will be out for Kohli's captaincy even though statistically everyone knows he will end up as one of the top 3 captains in Indian cricket history once he hangs up his boots, while Sachin as captain..well, less said about that, the better.

It's almost like rival fans value and respect Kohli more, similarly with Dhoni, because we've all experienced first-hand the pain that these two have inflicted on us over the years. They have been so impeccable that the pain has now turned into a begrudging respect and for some pure fandom.

I stayed well clear of this thread but it was great to see level-heads prevailing. If anybody is still doubting whether he's in a decline or not, check this :

Today marked Kohli's 10th century in 25 innings. Let that sink in.
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I actually feel the opposite. Most sachin fans have moved on and are big fans of kohli
However many kohli fans try to put down sachin when comparing and then people reply.

Also it's common to look at retired players while criticizing current players. Sachin faced a 100 times more criticism while playing

Also for pak fans, they were from a time when it was not fashionable to admire opposition players like sachin. Pak fans will never accept sachin most times. India pak fans then were as insecure as bangla fans today. In today's age it's more acceptable to admire opposition fans and neither indian or pak fans are as insecure so it's easier to accept kohli and dhoni
 
Wow many people would love to average 57 in decline with 2 hundreds.
 
Indiafan said:
I actually feel the opposite. Most sachin fans have moved on and are big fans of kohli
However many kohli fans try to put down sachin when comparing and then people reply.

Also it's common to look at retired players while criticizing current players. Sachin faced a 100 times more criticism while playing

Also for pak fans, they were from a time when it was not fashionable to admire opposition players like sachin. Pak fans will never accept sachin most times. India pak fans then were as insecure as bangla fans today. In today's age it's more acceptable to admire opposition fans and neither indian or pak fans are as insecure so it's easier to accept kohli and dhoni
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I would disagree...The insecurity of hardcore Sachin fans when it comes to Kohli's success cannot be more blatant and obvious these days.

In fact , it spawned this hilarious article at fakingnews -

http://www.fakingnews.com/sports/su...otect-sentiments-sachin-tendulkars-fans-23920

I still believe that Kohli needs one stellar WC campaign to well and truly surpass Sachin. Tendulkar was India's greatest big match player in ODI's (World Cups and Tournament Finals) . Kohli hasn't surpassed him in that respect, yet. But the level Kohli has reached between 2016-2019 in ODIs is superhuman and beyond any other ODI cricketer in history in my opinion .
 
Dead Ball said:
I would disagree...The insecurity of hardcore Sachin fans when it comes to Kohli's success cannot be more blatant and obvious these days.

In fact , it spawned this hilarious article at fakingnews -

http://www.fakingnews.com/sports/su...otect-sentiments-sachin-tendulkars-fans-23920

I still believe that Kohli needs one stellar WC campaign to well and truly surpass Sachin. Tendulkar was India's greatest big match player in ODI's (World Cups and Tournament Finals) . Kohli hasn't surpassed him in that respect, yet. But the level Kohli has reached between 2016-2019 in ODIs is superhuman and beyond any other ODI cricketer in history in my opinion .
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Tendulkar fans are beyond toxic, they show the worst aspect of Indians as a whole. Kohli fans are openly vocal about Kohli's lacking and criticizes his failures regularly. The biggest cringe in cricket is Tendulkar fans calling him God lol.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Tendulkar fans are beyond toxic, they show the worst aspect of Indians as a whole. Kohli fans are openly vocal about Kohli's lacking and criticizes his failures regularly. The biggest cringe in cricket is Tendulkar fans calling him God lol.
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Just out of curiosity, which country do you support?
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Tendulkar fans are beyond toxic, they show the worst aspect of Indians as a whole. Kohli fans are openly vocal about Kohli's lacking and criticizes his failures regularly. The biggest cringe in cricket is Tendulkar fans calling him God lol.
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Same here, he is great player and there are player as good as Sachin. Calling him god is not right. We should treat him like a player , that's it.
 
According to people here cricketing metaphors are not called for. Like God, King, Master blaster etc. Funny it was never a problem when it was King Viv or King Kohli or Sultan of swing.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Tendulkar fans are beyond toxic, they show the worst aspect of Indians as a whole. Kohli fans are openly vocal about Kohli's lacking and criticizes his failures regularly. The biggest cringe in cricket is Tendulkar fans calling him God lol.
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Can you tell me where you're from?
 
Mr. Cricket said:
Same here, he is great player and there are player as good as Sachin. Calling him god is not right. We should treat him like a player , that's it.
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Tendulkar got bhogle sacked, told a fan who liked a foriegn batsman more than him to leave India it's the tendulkar fans and their hero worship who are the problem because they clearly have created the issue where a player thinks so high and mighty of himself.
 
jagatk said:
Tendulkar got bhogle sacked, told a fan who liked a foriegn batsman more than him to leave India it's the tendulkar fans and their hero worship who are the problem because they clearly have created the issue where a player thinks so high and mighty of himself.
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None of this is true. Tendulkar did not get Bhogle sacked. Also, second incident was something else.
 
Haripotter said:
Come on bro. We respect the fact that Sachin has carried the cricketing pride of this nation for 20 years and we unconditionally love him, but that doesn't mean we turn a blind eye on another legend who is surpassing our previous legend.
Gotta accept that another player has clearly surpassed him
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Not even close.

Sachin averaged 56-59 in this phase of his career in test cricket.
 
Dead Ball said:
I think people here are mostly talking about ODIs...In which case Kohli has a good case.

In tests , he has some way to go in order to match or surpass SRT.
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In ODIs, he has taken it to the next level but he is not better than Tendulkar relatively.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
In ODIs, he has taken it to the next level but he is not better than Tendulkar relatively.
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The only metric by which Tendulkar still remains ahead of Kohli in ODIs is his record in WC's and tournament finals. By every other metric, Kohli is comfortably ahead.
 
I also want this kind of decline in my efficiency. Is there a chance for me? What do I have to do?
 
Dead Ball said:
The only metric by which Tendulkar still remains ahead of Kohli in ODIs is his record in WC's and tournament finals. By every other metric, Kohli is comfortably ahead.
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Kohli is in the top 3 easily, behind Viv and Sachin respectively.

If he has a good WC, he would have overtaken Sachin for me. If he has a good WC knock out, he overtakes Viv as the greatest ODI player ever.

In tests, my no1 and no.2 are Bradman and Sachin. He is miles behind them. Not even an ATG yet in tests, though if he keeps on performing like this for a few more years he will get there and start knocking at the top 5 test batsman ever.
 
Sachin was completely switched on during world cups. Very few could match him in that.. But for his father's death he would have had a great WC in 1999 as well. It is a bit like how Messi, Ronaldo are rated or not rated based on their WC performances. If you ask me someone like Kohli with his type of risk free stroke play should be able to dominate WC better than Sachin who often would play in the air in the first 15 overs before settling down.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Sachin was completely switched on during world cups. Very few could match him in that.. But for his father's death he would have had a great WC in 1999 as well. It is a bit like how Messi, Ronaldo are rated or not rated based on their WC performances. If you ask me someone like Kohli with his type of risk free stroke play should be able to dominate WC better than Sachin who often would play in the air in the first 15 overs before settling down.
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Sachin's cricket as an opener involved lots of risk taking in the first 15 overs. When he started to open in 1994, India hardly had any aggressive players in the X1 who could take on the bowlers regularly. Sachin was required to set the tone and up the run rate in the first 15. Ganguly started to play as an opener in 1996 but not until the end of the decade did he start to take on the bowlers. Players like Siddhu, Jadeja, Azhar, Manjrekar, all were players with SR's in 60's and early 70's. Cricket changed drastically in mid nineties and Sachin was the only one from India who had the skill and talent to embrace it.
 
giri26 said:
Sachin's cricket as an opener involved lots of risk taking in the first 15 overs. When he started to open in 1994, India hardly had any aggressive players in the X1 who could take on the bowlers regularly. Sachin was required to set the tone and up the run rate in the first 15. Ganguly started to play as an opener in 1996 but not until the end of the decade did he start to take on the bowlers. Players like Siddhu, Jadeja, Azhar, Manjrekar, all were players with SR's in 60's and early 70's. Cricket changed drastically in mid nineties and Sachin was the only one from India who had the skill and talent to embrace it.
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Just before 2003 world cup, our team suffered loss of confidence after that 7 match ODI series in NZ. They had these drop-in pitches where every batsman struggled including Tendulkar. Only Sehwga got ac ouple of 100s. So expectation was low even from Tendulkar. After a scratchy outing against netherlands he transformed dramatically. His mind, body everything was in sync. He was timing the ball brilliantly in each innings. In terms of ability Kohli is no less. One area where Sachin was ahead of Kohli was backfoot play through the off side. Kohli is an outstanding player through off side of the frontfoot. But off the backfot he often tries to tap it to third man rather than viciously cut , punch like Sachin. On the onside he is as good as anyone has played ever. This is why he was successful as an opener. New ball bowler often bowl length balls on the off stump line. For Kohli it is not really a major run scoring delivery. For Sachin it was. He would just step back and punch it to wherever he wanted. But Kohli has some other areas where he is really good.
 
I still rate Viv and Tendulkar above Kohli in ODIs due to World Cup. At the end of the day, WC is the most prestigious event in cricket and Kohli has to do well to be the GOAT. If he can't, he will have to stay at no.3. Amla is mighty good in bilaterals like Kohli, but few rate Amla very highly in ODIs.

I would put Kohli on par with ABD for now, since ABD had a much higher SR and still averaged near mid 50s (with a stellar WC record). For me:

Viv
Tendulkar
Kohli/ABD
ABD/Kohli
Ponting
 
Most 100s after 225 ODIs:
41 V KOHLI
27 H Amla (174 ODIs)
25 AB de Villiers
23 S Tendulkar
22 Rohit Sharma
21 S Ganguly
 
Last ODI century was in August 2019.

Where as likes of Babar and Smith are scoring century for fun, Kohli's bat seemed to have dried down a bit. Avg only 43 (ODIs) & 32(T20s) in 2020.

Age of 31 and playing non stop cricket for 12 years plus captaincy.

Is it taking too much toll finally on King Kohli and he is on a decline? Or its just a minor blip in his astounding career?
 
Definitely slowed down a bit but could be the lack of a proper challenge.
 
That flair is clearly missing these days..but no worries..we have some worthy batsmen on the platform
 
The incredible flair has been missing in the current tour to New Zealand so far.
 
Rajdeep said:
Last ODI century was in August 2019.

Where as likes of Babar and Smith are scoring century for fun, Kohli's bat seemed to have dried down a bit. Avg only 43 (ODIs) & 32(T20s) in 2020.

Age of 31 and playing non stop cricket for 12 years plus captaincy.

Is it taking too much toll finally on King Kohli and he is on a decline? Or its just a minor blip in his astounding career?
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All great players reach a temporary blip, has happened to Tendulkar, Lara. Lol, look at Ponting's stats in his final 4 years.
 
No matter what anyone may say - good bowling efforts always enhance the confidence of batsmen+ puts pressure on opponent batsmen.

Look at WI, Aus great teams from 70s, 2000s - they had 2-3 very threatening/ATG bowlers who could run the sides by themselves. Even the SA, Eng team had their good runs in 2000s owing to wicket taking bowlers. The simple rule take 20 wickets each match.

And in kohli's case, it is partly his own doing of picking sub-standard players/bias to non-performance of the strike bowlers kuldeep, chahal, bumrah. Fortunately, rahul is picking up, hope he continues that. As for kohli, he can get back on the track the moment he gets team composition right. And hope he does hat right in tests at least.
 
It's bound to happen as Kohli's youthful exuberance is naturally coming to an end ..He has to leave that place to newcomers and settle himself as more responsible senior player of the team ..This period of transition will affect his game temporarily..
 
It's a small blip. He will be back with a bang in test cricket. If he doesn't then we can worry.
 
Will retire as the greatest Indian batsman ever, and second greatest Asian batsman ever. Not even close to declining.
 
Kohli seems to have hit a bad form but I think he will come back strongly. He is a fighter.
 
Not sure about decline but his fans are starting to become a bit frustrated and agitated. This could start playing on his mind and he isn’t exactly the most sensible or stable minded person
 
Boult broke him in the WC, hasn't been the same since :tb

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Pressure of captaincy and team's failures weighing him down. He just is not a leader material. Simply should hand over the captaincy to Rohit and focus on test cricket.

And lol at some people who say he's too big a personality to play under someone else's captaincy. Didn't Dhoni play under Kohli's captaincy? Is Kohli a bigger leader and player than Dhoni? Lol! Despite winning every big tournament under the sun, Dhoni stayed humble and played under this clown's captaincy. Why can't he do it? People speak as if he's won a bunch of ICC tournaments already.

Kohli's ego is the reason for his self-destruction and so is India's!
 
Rajdeep said:
Last ODI century was in August 2019.

Where as likes of Babar and Smith are scoring century for fun, Kohli's bat seemed to have dried down a bit. Avg only 43 (ODIs) & 32(T20s) in 2020.
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True.

He's also averaging 43 (ODIs) & 32 (T20s) in this decade.

Been a rough 10 years for him.
 
Even in his decline his numbers are good enough to get in to most teams.

He averages 43 in Odis this year. It’s a very small sample.
 
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Kohli will only decline around 34 or 35 yrs. he will score mountain of runs until then, make no mistake. Only thing that can cripple him is an injury
 
Another duck for VK

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