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[VIDEOS] Virat Kohli's decline

The only innings from Kohli in WC that was truly a major contribution was his rebuilding of 11 final with Gambhir and his hundred against Pakistan in 15.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Sachin scored 83 where he was out six times and apart from that can you remind me of the second SF which you are mentioning here?
If you give six chances to Bumrah, he will score 83 too.

When you argue with me, make sure you don't leave a loose end.


Btw Virat's record in Champions trophy is unparalleled, and that is also a world event.
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Seriously, now you are turning into Pak fans territory. Even they did not count 6. And regarding CT, Pak gave chance to Kohli in CT final. No need to score 80, least he could have done is to scratch around for a 20. Instead he was like cow dancing on ice. Epic choke.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Sachin scored 83 where he was out six times and apart from that can you remind me of the second SF which you are mentioning here?
If you give six chances to Bumrah, he will score 83 too.

When you argue with me, make sure you don't leave a loose end.


Btw Virat's record in Champions trophy is unparalleled, and that is also a world event.
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Champions trophy is no World Cup. And 6 lives or not, without Tendulkar we would not have reached 220.
 
Sidilicious said:
Champions trophy is no World Cup. And 6 lives or not, without Tendulkar we would not have reached 220.
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Kohli will need to take another birth to be anywhere near Tendulkar, the ODI and test Batsman and even then he may fell short.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Desperate Kohli fans are trying too hard to bring down Sachin Tendulkar in this thread. :91:

If you are still serious about comparing Sachin with Kohli then open a comparison thread and don't derail this thread. :inti
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These 'fans' were nowhere to be seen when he was struggling for most part of his yesterday's innings. Once he won the game for us, they spam this forum.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
I am glad Kohli is in decline - or match would have finished in 14 overs.

Having said that, it is just one match winning innings Kohli has played over a sample of many many failures in the recent past - so we have to see if this data point leads to a trend or not.

It was an innings for the ages though.

And a massive boost for India.
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It is a case of him raising his game against Pakistan.
 
MP2011 said:
Kohli will need to take another birth to be anywhere near Tendulkar, the ODI and test Batsman and even then he may fell short.
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Apparently a guy averaging 48.42 in WC KOs with 4 fifties in 7 matches is a choker for him. And on top of that, Kohli is not a choker. He is contradicting himself.
 
Both are legends in their own ways. Kohli chases better than anyone ever played. Tendulkar is the best in adapting. He played through era. Cricket evolved he also evolved. One ball, two new ball, power play changes.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Both are legends in their own ways. Kohli chases better than anyone ever played. Tendulkar is the best in adapting. He played through era. Cricket evolved he also evolved. One ball, two new ball, power play changes.
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No one is saying Kohli is not a legend. But he is not at the level of Sachin in either Tests or 50 over.

There is no comparison in tests, and I hope I don’t need to elaborate. One can nitpick to prove Sachin didn’t do this that, but not many sane cricket fans would argue for Kohli being a better test bat than Sachin.

Obviously, he is a lot closer in 50 over and needs to score lots of runs at crucial times in 23 WC, to become as great as, if not better than Sachin in 50 over.

For us 90s kids though, we know what Sachin had to play through, single-handedly, with a bowling that only has 1 decent pacer. Kohli would really need to have an extraordinary WC to surpass Sachin in ODIs.
 
Sidilicious said:
No one is saying Kohli is not a legend. But he is not at the level of Sachin in either Tests or 50 over.

There is no comparison in tests, and I hope I don’t need to elaborate. One can nitpick to prove Sachin didn’t do this that, but not many sane cricket fans would argue for Kohli being a better test bat than Sachin.

Obviously, he is a lot closer in 50 over and needs to score lots of runs at crucial times in 23 WC, to become as great as, if not better than Sachin in 50 over.

For us 90s kids though, we know what Sachin had to play through, single-handedly, with a bowling that only has 1 decent pacer. Kohli would really need to have an extraordinary WC to surpass Sachin in ODIs.
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Adding to what you have written, Sachin had 3 dominating WCs in 3 stages of his career.

1996 - When he was the young superstar
2003 - When he was a legend at his peak
2011 - When he was on his last leg

1992 and 1999 he had avg WCs. 2007 was a disaster.

Kohli has played 3 and has not doninated in any of them. Next one is his last i believe.
 
I still think he should retire from T20Is after this tournament. No matter how far we go now for Virat personally he can say he is going out on an high after that knock .

Will he good to see Rohit get a similar memorable knock as well because this should be his last WT20 as well as T20I career.
 
WengerOut said:
Adding to what you have written, Sachin had 3 dominating WCs in 3 stages of his career.

1996 - When he was the young superstar
2003 - When he was a legend at his peak
2011 - When he was on his last leg

1992 and 1999 he had avg WCs. 2007 was a disaster.

Kohli has played 3 and has not doninated in any of them. Next one is his last i believe.
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Even in 92, playing in the MO, he didn’t do too bad. The 50 against Pak.

In 99, there were mitigating circumstances, death of his father. Had he not had to leave during the Zim game, we would have probably won it (thankyou Venky for your staunch Defense) and would have had a significantly greater chance of making the semis.

07, the less said the better. But that was on the whole team.
 
Sidilicious said:
No one is saying Kohli is not a legend. But he is not at the level of Sachin in either Tests or 50 over.

There is no comparison in tests, and I hope I don’t need to elaborate. One can nitpick to prove Sachin didn’t do this that, but not many sane cricket fans would argue for Kohli being a better test bat than Sachin.

Obviously, he is a lot closer in 50 over and needs to score lots of runs at crucial times in 23 WC, to become as great as, if not better than Sachin in 50 over.

For us 90s kids though, we know what Sachin had to play through, single-handedly, with a bowling that only has 1 decent pacer. Kohli would really need to have an extraordinary WC to surpass Sachin in ODIs.
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And Sachin played against top class bowling line ups. I too like Kohli but Sachin will always be above any batsmen for me. Even stats favour Sachin.

As you said in your post above, there is no comparison in tests. :inti
 
WengerOut said:
Adding to what you have written, Sachin had 3 dominating WCs in 3 stages of his career.

1996 - When he was the young superstar
2003 - When he was a legend at his peak
2011 - When he was on his last leg

1992 and 1999 he had avg WCs. 2007 was a disaster.

Kohli has played 3 and has not doninated in any of them. Next one is his last i believe.
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As for Kohli, if he can produce a Tendulkar 96 like run streak, and follow it up with a winning knock in the semis or finals, I would be happy to entertain discussions of Kohli being a better 50 over batsman than Tendulkar.

Even then Tendulkar‘s longevity and consistency will be lacking for Kohli.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
And Sachin played against top class bowling line ups. I too like Kohli but Sachin will always be above any batsmen for me. Even stats favour Sachin.

As you said in your post above, there is no comparison in tests. :inti
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Stats can be used to prove anything, so I wouldn’t stress too much on them. Given Kohli’s body of work, I would be willing to consider the argument of him being a better 50 over player, but he needs to have more than a stellar World Cup
 
WengerOut said:
Apparently a guy averaging 48.42 in WC KOs with 4 fifties in 7 matches is a choker for him. And on top of that, Kohli is not a choker. He is contradicting himself.
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Have nothing against Kohli, I used to adore Kohli, the finesse with which he plays his strokes is second to none. Add to that his fitness.

But he isn't even a patch on Tendulkar in highest form of ODIs which is an ODI WC so far despite playing 3 full editions.
 
WengerOut said:
Apparently a guy averaging 48.42 in WC KOs with 4 fifties in 7 matches is a choker for him. And on top of that, Kohli is not a choker. He is contradicting himself.
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There is a reason Mr Jeetesh brought Champions Trophy into discussion. He has got nothing to show for in WC KOs. :inti
 
WengerOut said:
Adding to what you have written, Sachin had 3 dominating WCs in 3 stages of his career.

1996 - When he was the young superstar
2003 - When he was a legend at his peak
2011 - When he was on his last leg

1992 and 1999 he had avg WCs. 2007 was a disaster.

Kohli has played 3 and has not doninated in any of them. Next one is his last i believe.
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Not only that, he used to strike at such a great rate far ahead of his competitors, like Anwar, Mark Waugh, Lara, Inzi.
 
MP2011 said:
Have nothing against Kohli, I used to adore Kohli, the finesse with which he plays his strokes is second to none. Add to that his fitness.

But he isn't even a patch on Tendulkar in highest form of ODIs which is an ODI WC so far despite playing 3 full editions.
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Even i like Kohli a lot and he is ATG in T20s. But in ODIs, there is WC hole. Hopefully he can correct it next year.
 
MP2011 said:
Not only that, he used to strike at such a great rate far ahead of his competitors, like Anwar, Mark Waugh, Lara, Inzi.
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His SR was 87 when all of his contempraries stroke at 75. He has a similar SR as Jayasurya who was considered an explosive batsman in that era.
 
WengerOut said:
His SR was 87 when all of his contempraries stroke at 75. He has a similar SR as Jayasurya who was considered an explosive batsman in that era.
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And what was Jayasuriya's average while scoring at that rate? Less than 30?
 
WengerOut said:
Seriously, now you are turning into Pak fans territory. Even they did not count 6. And regarding CT, Pak gave chance to Kohli in CT final. No need to score 80, least he could have done is to scratch around for a 20. Instead he was like cow dancing on ice. Epic choke.
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Kohli already has a match winning knock in CT finals, so there's no need of six chances.

You talked about two semis, one is 85/6 which is the other one? Care to explain
 
Kohli has to take another birth, lol at the hyperbole.

If he isn't the GOAT, he is still top 5 odi batsman ever.

All he needs is a WC Ko performance and he would displace Sachin as the greatest Indian Odi bat. (who btw was himself a choker)

These Sachin fans were cursing Kohli, wanted him dropped for t20 wc for months before he showed them their auqaat on 23rd.
 
WengerOut said:
Apparently a guy averaging 48.42 in WC KOs with 4 fifties in 7 matches is a choker for him. And on top of that, Kohli is not a choker. He is contradicting himself.
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Average means jack when he hasn't played a single good innings vs top opposition.

The one example you gave was when he got many chances.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Kohli already has a match winning knock in CT finals, so there's no need of six chances.

You talked about two semis, one is 85/6 which is the other one? Care to explain
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First come back to WC. That is the biggest ODI tournament. Sachin has a century against Aus in CT KOs. Hence you will be embarassed there also.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Average means jack when he hasn't played a single good innings vs top opposition.

The one example you gave was when he got many chances.
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But Kohlis "match winning" knocks against the might of Bangladesh in CT has been considered. Sachin has a half century against eventual champions in 1996, against Aus in 2011 even if you want to exclude everything.
 
These Kohli fanatics are embarrassment to Indian fans.
 
WengerOut said:
First come back to WC. That is the biggest ODI tournament. Sachin has a century against Aus in CT KOs. Hence you will be embarassed there also.
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Not only his 141 runs in that game, he also took a 4-for in that game. Now this is single handedly defeating a world class opposition.
 
WengerOut said:
But Kohlis "match winning" knocks against the might of Bangladesh in CT has been considered. Sachin has a half century against eventual champions in 1996, against Aus in 2011 even if you want to exclude everything.
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In that SF against SL in WC '96, he was the only one who could lay bat on ball, rest others couldn't decipher which way the ball is turning. Scoreboard was such a sorry sight that day, with us being at 8/120 with Tendulkar scoring more than half of them.

It was as if he was batting on a featherbed and rest others on a minefield.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Kohli already has a match winning knock in CT finals, so there's no need of six chances.

You talked about two semis, one is 85/6 which is the other one? Care to explain
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Sachin scored 83 against Kenya 2003 World Cup semi.
 
Local.Dada said:
I still think he should retire from T20Is after this tournament. No matter how far we go now for Virat personally he can say he is going out on an high after that knock .

Will he good to see Rohit get a similar memorable knock as well because this should be his last WT20 as well as T20I career.
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I think we will see. This knock will have inspired everybody in the side except one. (No prize for guessing)
 
Nice to see the troll who thinks Babar is the new Sachin turning back to his old logic of better bowlers, tougher opposition etc etc.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Nice to see the troll who thinks Babar is the new Sachin turning back to his old logic of better bowlers, tougher opposition etc etc.
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Kohli is far superior than Sachin but compare to Sachin with Babar is like Donald with Prasad. Babar wouldn't even make into India 2nd XI with his limited and selfish batting ability.
 
Shafi said:
Kohli is like this era's Bradman. Sachin was very good but Kohli has superior fitness along with more power hitting ability.
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I call them immature not because they think Kohli is better, but because of how they behave.
 
He is going through a decline. A few T20 knocks doesn't change anything.

He is not even half the player he was in 2018. But credit to him for turning up and playing an ATG T20 knock when everyone else choked... as usual.
 
Shafi said:
Kohli is far superior than Sachin but compare to Sachin with Babar is like Donald with Prasad. Babar wouldn't even make into India 2nd XI with his limited and selfish batting ability.
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You are right, I know that.
You need to Explain this to some other posters here :inti
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
You are right, I know that.
You need to Explain this to some other posters here :inti
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People think like that because they live on hope. Babar is nothing special. Even Babar cannot make it in all time top 5 Pakistan batsmen at the end of his career. If people cannot afford to buy Biryani they will satisfy with Khichuri. Most people has false proud. If they don't have ability they rubbish others.
 
Mesozoic said:
He is going through a decline. A few T20 knocks doesn't change anything.

He is not even half the player he was in 2018. But credit to him for turning up and playing an ATG T20 knock when everyone else choked... as usual.
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Yeah, that's my concern. Giving people longer rope in tests on the basis of their T20 exploits.
 
Hitman said:
I call them immature not because they think Kohli is better, but because of how they behave.
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I really hope Babar will leave his fake false superstar attitude aside and watch Kohli, Sachin, Root batting and study them so he can improve himself. He needs to be humble and need to prove himself. Pakistan media and delusional fans are the main culprits of our players' improvement. Had he born in India he would never make in 2nd XI team.
 
It seems some trolls have comprehension issues here. I said Babar is getting the same criticism and hate from Indian fans which Sachin used to get from Pakistani fans. This is not a comparison between Sachin and Babar on the basis of their stats lol. I won't even compare Sachin with Kohli, let alone Sachin with Babar on cricketing terms. Desperate trolls. :))) :inti
 
Mesozoic said:
He is going through a decline. A few T20 knocks doesn't change anything.

He is not even half the player he was in 2018. But credit to him for turning up and playing an ATG T20 knock when everyone else choked... as usual.
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Kohli is also capable of playing an inning like Yuvi in 2014 T20 WC final. :inti
 
Hitman said:
I call them immature not because they think Kohli is better, but because of how they behave.
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You can't even criticise Kohli in front of them otherwise they will start reacting like Kohli used to after taking the wicket of opposition. Sachin is like a Pakistani cricketer for them. Anyone who supports Sachin is a traitor. :91: :inti
 
Peak Kohli is a better chaser than Sachin, I will give that. Kohli indeed thrives under pressure, in that sense he is more like Ganguly in terms of on field personality and maybe that's were the conflict.

But Kohli did not play the quality of bowlers that Sachin played and did not face the same level of opposition that Sachin faced specially in his first 15 years. Recall the bowling line ups of SA, Aus, Pak , even WI in 90s and one really can't compare unless they are supremely ignorant. That Sachin literally dragged the team since teenage years with only other batsman being Azhar till emergence of Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman won't be covered in any stats fortunately for the compulsive illiterates.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You can't even criticise Kohli in front of them otherwise they will start reacting like Kohli used to after taking the wicket of opposition. Sachin is like a Pakistani cricketer for them. Anyone who supports Sachin is a traitor. :91: :inti
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Those immature bunch are an embarrassment to Kohli's greatness.
 
RajBan said:
Peak Kohli is a better chaser than Sachin, I will give that. Kohli indeed thrives under pressure, in that sense he is more like Ganguly in terms of on field personality and maybe that's were the conflict.

But Kohli did not play the quality of bowlers that Sachin played and did not face the same level of opposition that Sachin faced specially in his first 15 years. Recall the bowling line ups of SA, Aus, Pak , even WI in 90s and one really can't compare unless they are supremely ignorant. That Sachin literally dragged the team since teenage years with only other batsman being Azhar till emergence of Ganguly, Dravid, Laxman won't be covered in any stats fortunately for the compulsive illiterates.
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Good post. Those who haven't seen Sachin play should read the bolded part and drill this in their brain. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You can't even criticise Kohli in front of them otherwise they will start reacting like Kohli used to after taking the wicket of opposition. Sachin is like a Pakistani cricketer for them. Anyone who supports Sachin is a traitor. :91: :inti
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Pakistani fans were not this aggressive against Sachin. Adding additional criterias whenever we produce facts before them.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
So calling Sachin a choker has made me immature.
Tells us who are the actual fanatics here.
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Even Kohli himself will call you immature for calling Sachin a choker. He most probably will also ask you to learn more about cricket in general because if you can call Sachin a choker then you will most probably call Kohli a choker too. Now if you tell him that you have also made fun of many retired indian cricketers like Sehwag, Yuvi, Dhoni also, he will surely gift you 'cricket for dummies' book as well. :91: :inti
 
Virat is natural evolution of legacy of Sachin's batting and winning mentality instilled since Ganguly, dhoni captaincy era.
All battings stats have inflated over the years, that doesn't mean the bowling in the modern era has dipped, aggressive batting has changed stats.
Kohli has won us games, we are expected to win now. Sachin gave us hope when there was none for 2 decades.
 
Sidilicious said:
No one is saying Kohli is not a legend. But he is not at the level of Sachin in either Tests or 50 over.

There is no comparison in tests, and I hope I don’t need to elaborate. One can nitpick to prove Sachin didn’t do this that, but not many sane cricket fans would argue for Kohli being a better test bat than Sachin.

Obviously, he is a lot closer in 50 over and needs to score lots of runs at crucial times in 23 WC, to become as great as, if not better than Sachin in 50 over.

For us 90s kids though, we know what Sachin had to play through, single-handedly, with a bowling that only has 1 decent pacer. Kohli would really need to have an extraordinary WC to surpass Sachin in ODIs.
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From a pure technical standpoint Tendulkar is as good as you get. Kohli on the other hand is a predominantly frontfoot player. He can play on the backfoot. But even his pulls and hooks are on the front foot. He has immense confidence about receiving the ball even from half way down the pitch. This is one of the reason why genuine pace never bothered him.
 
Shoaib Akhtar

“He is back with a bang. I want him to retire from T20I because I don’t want that he puts his entire energy in T20I cricket. With similar commitment like today, he can score three centuries in ODIs"
 
Kohli has rose to no. 9 in t20 rankings after his match-winning knock against Pakistan. Few more knocks in this tournament and we may see back at the top.
 
One effiin innings and his PR firm is all over the social media, I almost put not interested in Virat Kohli to hide but then remembered I would go burn the fans once his dramaybaazi starts again.

I mean it was a great but lol in a league game fgs, the streak is not even alive anymore relax buddy.

Except for SKY (for now) absolutely dislike entire Indian team’s attitude right now, from Ash to Bumrah, Kohli to Sharma.
 
JaDed said:
One effiin innings and his PR firm is all over the social media, I almost put not interested in Virat Kohli to hide but then remembered I would go burn the fans once his dramaybaazi starts again.

I mean it was a great but lol in a league game fgs, the streak is not even alive anymore relax buddy.

Except for SKY (for now) absolutely dislike entire Indian team’s attitude right now, from Ash to Bumrah, Kohli to Sharma.
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Ashwin seems really nice and level headed. He really has respect for Pakistan players
 
ataullah said:
Ashwin seems really nice and level headed. He really has respect for Pakistan players
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Yes that should be the bar for good attitude of Indian players having respect for Pakistani players- Kohli, Ashwin the beshhht.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Average means jack when he hasn't played a single good innings vs top opposition.

The one example you gave was when he got many chances.
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Another 12 year old who had no idea how specail Sachin was. And you can keep ranting about supposed 6 chances.
 
JaDed said:
Yes that should be the bar for good attitude of Indian players having respect for Pakistani players- Kohli, Ashwin the beshhht.
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If u respect your biggest rivals u will most likely have a nice nature.
 
Lol - Time to open a thread on Babar Azam's decline
 
Virat owns SCG. 5 matches 4 fifties. Even Australians are well behind Kohli at the SCG in T20 internationals.
 
Looks like the Phoenix (Kohli) is rising again from his slump, about time too. Looking forward to some good batting
 
Even in decline he has scored lot of runs. Just missed out on centuries but was getting 30s and 40s.
Champion batter as always.
 
Organize an ODI series with Pakistan & watch him turn back the clock. Our bowlers will always bow down to the king.

Kohli has really slowed down in this format & the lack of matches has not helped either. He scored his 43 century in 2019. At that time it looked like he could end up with 60+ ODI hundreds.

Now it seems unlikely that he will go past Tendulkar’s record of 49 centuries.
 
Mamoon said:
Organize an ODI series with Pakistan & watch him turn back the clock. Our bowlers will always bow down to the king.

Kohli has really slowed down in this format & the lack of matches has not helped either. He scored his 43 century in 2019. At that time it looked like he could end up with 60+ ODI hundreds.

Now it seems unlikely that he will go past Tendulkar’s record of 49 centuries.
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He has played Just one series against Pakistan, can you show us what he did in it ?

He was very lucky that from 2019 onwards there was less cricket and odi's otherwise his average would have been around 50.
 
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