[VIDEOS] What can Shaheen Shah Afridi learn from Mitchell Starc?

[MenInG]

Same pitch - 2 fast bowlers - same style of bowling - different results.

One could say they are facing batting line-ups of different abilities but how can Shaheen improve to the level of Starc?

Or is there nothing to learn for Shaheen?

 

[Savak]

They were bowling to two different batting line up's. The Australian batsmen were well prepared for our reverse swing and they played the pacers with a straight bat.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Same pitch - 2 fast bowlers - same style of bowling - different results.

One could say they are facing batting line-ups of different abilities but how can Shaheen improve to the level of Starc?

Or is there nothing to learn for Shaheen?

Improve his fitness to be able to bowl 140+ all through out the day. Starc has done a lot of hard work to build core strength.. Skills are similar.

 

[Savak]

Improve his fitness to be able to bowl 140+ all through out the day. Starc has done a lot of hard work to build core strength.. Skills are similar.

Starc manages his workload as well. He doesn't play every x, y, z game, he has let go of million dollar paydays in the ipl to make himself hundred percent available for his country.

Shaheen is young right now but the fact he plays every game for Pakistan means he will suffer fitness issues down the road. Other than this, he needs to learn to set the batsman up as well, he was very predictable and one dimensional with reverse swing against Khawaja and Co

 

[angrypathan]

Needs to mix up his lengths more

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Starc manages his workload as well. He doesn't play every x, y, z game, he has let go of million dollar paydays in the ipl to make himself hundred percent available for his country.

Shaheen is young right now but the fact he plays every game for Pakistan means he will suffer fitness issues down the road. Other than this, he needs to learn to set the batsman up as well, he was very predictable and one dimensional with reverse swing against Khawaja and Co

That is where PCB's management comes into play. He need not play every random T20I. That would be a start atleast.

 

[Mamoon]

The main reason why Shaheen has not performed to his ability in Tests so far is because he his average pace is low.

He needs to improve his fitness and his workload to consistently bowl in the high 140s with the odd effort ball at 150.

He is capable of those speeds but he is not fit enough at this point. Bowling in the high 130s is not going to help him at all.

 

[Rana]

The main reason why Shaheen has not performed to his ability in Tests so far is because he his average pace is low.

He needs to improve his fitness and his workload to consistently bowl in the high 140s with the odd effort ball at 150.

He is capable of those speeds but he is not fit enough at this point. Bowling in the high 130s is not going to help him at all.

What can Shaheen learn? Starc is a nobody just like Shoaib Akhtar

 

[Savak]

The main reason why Shaheen has not performed to his ability in Tests so far is because he his average pace is low.

He needs to improve his fitness and his workload to consistently bowl in the high 140s with the odd effort ball at 150.

He is capable of those speeds but he is not fit enough at this point. Bowling in the high 130s is not going to help him at all.

Hard to do this when in jahalat he is playing each and every meaningless game for Pakistan in all formats and every psl game without monitoring his workload. That continous wear and tear takes a toll on your body eventually.

The PCB need to monitor his workload ie rest him from inconsequential series, make him sit out in dead rubbers and don't bowl him to the ground.

 

[sindhiboy]

shaheen has just played a full psl season and didnt get a break so i can understand why he isnt as fast as usual.

starc was hammered whenever he toured the UAE, he finally got it right this match. he has had a bigger break and is able to bowl at high pace.

shaheen has all the skills that starc has, for now he can just mix up his lengths more often

 

[Mamoon]

What can Shaheen learn? Starc is a nobody just like Shoaib Akhtar

Starc is better than both Akhtar and Lee.

 

[greatest]

He needs to cut down playing too much T20 white ball cricket and focus more on first-class 4 day cricket. Then only will be learn the art of taking wickets and also how to consistently bowl and prepare the ball to reverse swing.
Btw, what were his overall stats in this and last year's domestic Q&A Trophy?

 

[Rana]

Starc is better than both Akhtar and Lee.

First learn to respect our legends who have created the PCB brand for the millions of fans

Then express your opinions on the current players

 

[Mamoon]

First learn to respect our legends who have created the PCB brand for the millions of fans

Then express your opinions on the current players

Akhtar isn’t a legend. You cannot be a legend with only 178 Test wickets to your name.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Team management can't bench and rest a player if he doesn't himself wants to play every game. We know Shaheen himself is in race to be captain, so i don't think it would be possible for him to pick and chose like Starc.

 

[Gilly]

First learn to respect our legends who have created the PCB brand for the millions of fans

Then express your opinions on the current players

Starc is a better bowler than Akhtar.

 

[Rana]

Akhtar isn’t a legend. You cannot be a legend with only 178 Test wickets to your name.

Shaheen will NEVER produce spells like Akhtar did to reach 178 wickets @25

 

[Mamoon]

Shaheen will NEVER produce spells like Akhtar did to reach 178 wickets @25

If Shaheen fails to take more than 300 Test wickets at an average of 25-26, he should hang his head in shame.

Akhtar is not a benchmark or a yardstick for any young bowler in the Test format.

 

[Rana]

If Shaheen fails to take more than 300 Test wickets at an average of 25-26, he should hang his head in shame.

Akhtar is not a benchmark or a yardstick for any young bowler in the Test format.

I guess Shane Bond and Mohammad Asif are nobodies in cricket too?

 

[Cric1234]

Shaheen Afridi averages versus the top 5 teams:

Australia - 51

England - 51

New Zealand - 43

South Africa - 27

Combined average of 43 hasn’t played India Shaheen better than Akhtar.

 

[shaz619]

Akhtar isn’t a legend. You cannot be a legend with only 178 Test wickets to your name.

Akhtar is the Mike Tyson of cricket, he is a great imo and will be inducted in the HOF one day

 

[shaz619]

Hard to do this when in jahalat he is playing each and every meaningless game for Pakistan in all formats and every psl game without monitoring his workload. That continous wear and tear takes a toll on your body eventually.

The PCB need to monitor his workload ie rest him from inconsequential series, make him sit out in dead rubbers and don't bowl him to the ground.

I said this during the PSL, Pakistan have gone straight from that into a high level Test series. You deserve to lose, let it be a big learning curve but it will be a massive missed opportunity from a WTC POV which wont come in a long time.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

i dont know what SSA has to learn from specifically from Starc.
But overall, he can improve is bowling LH round and taillng it in, like the geat wasim. He can improve on setting up a batsmen and also using the bouncer as a surprise weapon.
And lastly like someone mentioned above - he need not play every odi and t20, his workload needs to be managed well. Still very young and has immense potential to go very far

 

[TheSultan]

Starc is a better bowler than Akhtar.

Wrong - Starc will have a better career than Shoaib Akhtar, but he is not nor ever will be a better bowler than Akhtar.

 

[Gilly]

Wrong - Starc will have a better career than Shoaib Akhtar, but he is not nor ever will be a better bowler than Akhtar.

He already is, its not a matter of can or will be.

 

[Ab Fan]

Akhtar is the Mike Tyson of cricket, he is a great imo and will be inducted in the HOF one day

He is more like Frank Tyson to be honest.

 

[TheSultan]

He already is, its not a matter of can or will be.

You don’t understand the difference. Starc will go down as a great and Shoaib won’t because of his lack of longevity.

It doesn’t mean that Starc is a better bowler than Shoaib was.

 

[TheSultan]

On to SSA - as someone mentioned, he needs better average pace, but also requires a captain that understands cricket. Unfortunately I don’t think there is a single active Pakistani cricketer who understands the game.

 

[Gilly]

You don’t understand the difference. Starc will go down as a great and Shoaib won’t because of his lack of longevity.

It doesn’t mean that Starc is a better bowler than Shoaib was.

Shoiab didn't lack longevity, he lacked heart, he could not do the hard work that Starc can. Starc doesen't pick and choose what series he will play. Shoiab played for Shoiab, Starc plays for Australia. Starc is a class above Shoiab.

 

[shaz619]

He is more like Frank Tyson to be honest.

He will be in the HOF though, I don’t doubt it. He is also widely rumoured to have caused Tendulkar to relieve himself during a game.

Who is Frank Tyson btw lol

 

[shaz619]

Shoiab didn't lack longevity, he lacked heart, he could not do the hard work that Starc can. Starc doesen't pick and choose what series he will play. Shoiab played for Shoiab, Starc plays for Australia. Starc is a class above Shoiab.

Starc is a coward and a heavily protected cricketer due to his lack of heart / nationalism, he is not a fit to tie Akhtar’s shoe laces really. Akhtar always made the Aussies his little kids and slapped them around for fun.

 

[Gilly]

Starc is a coward and a heavily protected cricketer due to his lack of heart / nationalism, he is not a fit to tie Akhtar’s shoe laces really. Akhtar always made the Aussies his little kids and slapped them around for fun.

Cant Argue with that, Akhtar averages 43.52 against Australia in Australia and 50.02 against Australia in Pakistan. Legendary stuff right there.

 

[TheSultan]

Shoiab didn't lack longevity, he lacked heart, he could not do the hard work that Starc can. Starc doesen't pick and choose what series he will play. Shoiab played for Shoiab, Starc plays for Australia. Starc is a class above Shoiab.

You still don’t get it. This is not about how many series they played etc etc.

This is about who was a better bowler. Don’t have time to educate you right now, but if you require schooling please carry on - I’ll reply when I have time

 

[Rana]

Cant Argue with that, Akhtar averages 43.52 against Australia in Australia and 50.02 against Australia in Pakistan. Legendary stuff right there.

What is Shaheen’s average in both instances as well?

 

[Gilly]

You still don’t get it. This is not about how many series they played etc etc.

This is about who was a better bowler. Don’t have time to educate you right now, but if you require schooling please carry on - I’ll reply when I have time

Yeah go right ahead and school me on a bowler who never played in a winning test against Australia, he averages 43 in Australia and you want me to believe he is better than Starc. Sorry mate I have watched them both live.

 

[Gilly]

What is Shaheen’s average in both instances as well?

Australia 35, Pakistan 65

 

[Ab Fan]

He will be in the HOF though, I don’t doubt it. He is also widely rumoured to have caused Tendulkar to relieve himself during a game.

Who is Frank Tyson btw lol

You support England in cricket and you don't know who Frank Tyson is?? What kind of England supporter are you?

 

[Rana]

Australia 35, Pakistan 65

So he sucks as well basically?

 

[Gilly]

So he sucks as well basically?

No. he is young and has plenty of time to develop.

 

[Ashmal]

Shaheen will NEVER produce spells like Akhtar did to reach 178 wickets @25

That's a big statement to make...considering that Shaheen is just 21 and will play atleast 10-12 more years for Pakistan

 

[Ashmal]

The main reason why Shaheen has not performed to his ability in Tests so far is because he his average pace is low.

He needs to improve his fitness and his workload to consistently bowl in the high 140s with the odd effort ball at 150.

He is capable of those speeds but he is not fit enough at this point. Bowling in the high 130s is not going to help him at all.

He also needs to learn the art of picking wickets in long-format by setting up a batsman.
Too often he has been impatient and goes searching for wickets every ball which only results in leakage of runs.

He tries too much too soon...needs to hit a proper channel consistently and be patient.

He has all the skills and wickets will come eventually.

 

[shaz619]

Cant Argue with that, Akhtar averages 43.52 against Australia in Australia and 50.02 against Australia in Pakistan. Legendary stuff right there.

He has an average of 26 in Australia bloody hell mate, talk about bias

 

[Rana]

No. he is young and has plenty of time to develop.

Unless he puts on 10kmh of speed, how else will he improve bowling on these tracks against quality batsmen?

 

[Rana]

He has an average of 26 in Australia bloody hell mate, talk about bias

Lol I was wondering if his wickets came at 50 a piece in Aus ) I think he is mixing Shoaib Akhtar with Shoaib Malik

 

[shaz619]

You support England in cricket and you don't know who Frank Tyson is?? What kind of England supporter are you?

Nope I thought you mixed up Frank Bruno with Frank Tyson , anyhow am not from the [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] school of thought who keeps bigging up no name bums who are about as quick as India’s historic/famous pace battery

 

[shaz619]

Lol I was wondering if his wickets came at 50 a piece in Aus ) I think he is mixing Shoaib Akhtar with Shoaib Malik

Exactly mate, Shoaib really gave it to these Aussies real bad, they will feel the hurt for generations. Poor arguments there by Gilly lad

 

[BreadPakoda]

Starc won his team WC’15, has 100 more wickets than Akhtar and still has gas left in his tank. Been a big fan of Akhtar but Starc has surpassed him easily.

 

[Ab Fan]

Nope I thought you mixed up Frank Bruno with Frank Tyson , anyhow am not from the [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] school of thought who keeps bigging up no name bums who are about as quick as India’s historic/famous pace battery

You mean the same India's pace battery who just owned England and Australia in their backyard in last year or so? Yeah sure!

Hopefully, England learn to move on from their trundlers and pick some 140+ kph pacer who plays regularly and not remain injured half of the time like Archer and Wood.

 

[anikrc1]

He has an average of 26 in Australia bloody hell mate, talk about bias

He has an average of 43 in Australia. We are talking about tests here. Check the stats .

 

[shaz619]

You mean the same India's pace battery who just owned England and Australia in their backyard in last year or so? Yeah sure!

Hopefully, England learn to move on from their trundlers and pick some 140+ kph pacer who plays regularly and not remain injured half of the time like Archer and Wood.

You haven’t beaten England

Congrats for catching Australia by surprise with a bunch of jobbers #Fluke

Not sure about the hate against Archer from south asians - #Racism #BlackIsBeautiful

 

[shaz619]

He has an average of 43 in Australia. We are talking about tests here. Check the stats .

I did check the stats mate he averages 26 in Australia

 

[anikrc1]

I did check the stats mate he averages 26 in Australia

He averages 26 in ODIs. 43 in tests.

 

[Cric1234]

He has an average of 43 in Australia. We are talking about tests here. Check the stats .

He averages 35 against Australia in tests all countries combined he doesn’t average over 40 against any team consistent but not great a match winner on his day against any opponent.

Shaheen averages 43 against the top 5 teams long way to go for him to be a decent test bowler.

 

[anikrc1]

He averages 35 against Australia in tests all countries combined he doesn’t average over 40 against any team consistent but not great a match winner on his day against any opponent.

Shaheen averages 43 against the top 5 teams long way to go for him to be a decent test bowler.

Just correcting the stats. Not commenting on shoaib's greatness

 

[RyanRyan10]

Lol I was wondering if his wickets came at 50 a piece in Aus ) I think he is mixing Shoaib Akhtar with Shoaib Malik

Akhtar did average 43+ and had an ER of 4.34 in Aus. Now don't get angry on me for posting correct stats.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/42655.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

 

[Savak]

So far Shaheen has gone missing against Australia, New Zealand, England in his career. He has had enough experience now and is no longer a newbie. Dissapointing series for him.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Starc won his team WC’15, has 100 more wickets than Akhtar and still has gas left in his tank. Been a big fan of Akhtar but Starc has surpassed him easily.

Yes, Akhtar was good. But posters here are lying to make him look better than he was.

Starc has already achieved more success.

 

[pillionrider]

Cant Argue with that, Akhtar averages 43.52 against Australia in Australia and 50.02 against Australia in Pakistan. Legendary stuff right there.

But legendary spell vs Ponting..... where Punter went on to score 197 and Langer 144

 

[TheSultan]

Akhtar did average 43+ and had an ER of 4.34 in Aus. Now don't get angry on me for posting correct stats.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/42655.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

Again - selective stats. He had a tough time early career. But two 5fers on his last tour of Aus.

And if you know anything, anything at all about test cricket. You will know for attacking bowlers strike rate is much more important than average.

I really feel like I should start a class for some of the posters here. Please vote if you would like one and I’ll think about it.

 

[Saj]

I like the way Starc has set batters up today.

The way he worked over Azhar Ali was just superb and which ended in Azhar playing a ridiculous shot.

Starc gets into the head of batters, he knows how to work them out and he is patient.

Shaheen is a wonderful bowler but he is still learning the art of pace-bowling in Test cricket.

 

[Cric1234]

If you take out Shaheens stats against the bottom 3 ranked teams he looks worse than Rahat Ali long way to go for him to be a decent test bowler.

 

[Gilly]

I did check the stats mate he averages 26 in Australia

I think you better check again because In test matches V Australia in Australia Akhtar averages 43.52.

 

[Rana]

If you take out Shaheens stats against the bottom 3 ranked teams he looks worse than Rahat Ali long way to go for him to be a decent test bowler.

Rahat Ali was an underrated bowler. He had zero personality but I loved his action and ability to swing the ball

 

[MenInG]

His wicket fo Marnus...

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[daytrader]

His wicket fo Marnus...

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Could learn a bit of humility

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Starc surpassed Shoaib a long time ago.

Shoaib may have had the higher potential peak but that doesn’t matter much because you can only judge careers on actual performances and not pie in the sky ideas.

If Mohammad Amir hadn’t make come back in 2016; many Pakistani fans would have been rating him above many of the great bowlers of the game.

Shoaib couldn’t reach his career peak and really leave a proper mark due to fitness issues but that’s just life and no one can be blamed for that. But the simple fact is that means he doesn’t have the body of work to be compared to Starc anymore.

Plus Starc literally won his team a WC so even in ODIs he is ahead of Akhtar

 

[Savak]

Starc surpassed Shoaib a long time ago.

Shoaib may have had the higher potential peak but that doesn’t matter much because you can only judge careers on actual performances and not pie in the sky ideas.

If Mohammad Amir hadn’t make come back in 2016; many Pakistani fans would have been rating him above many of the great bowlers of the game.

Shoaib couldn’t reach his career peak and really leave a proper mark due to fitness issues but that’s just life and no one can be blamed for that. But the simple fact is that means he doesn’t have the body of work to be compared to Starc anymore.

Plus Starc literally won his team a WC so even in ODIs he is ahead of Akhtar

Going by this logic, Starc is even ahead of Waqar given the laters ****** record in ODI WCs, Shoaib atleast took his team to the final of the ODI WC something that Waqar never did

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Going by this logic, Starc is even ahead of Waqar given the laters ****** record in ODI WCs, Shoaib atleast took his team to the final of the ODI WC something that Waqar never did

You would have had a strong case if it weren’t for the matter of Waqar Younis having taken 350+ test wickets and 400+ ODI wickets.

 

[MenInG]

What a start by Shaheen!

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[MenInG]

What an amazing spell from Starc today - 2 breathtaking dismissals of Pak's top batters.

 

[shamaan]

The delivery to Rizwan was world class.

 

[MenInG]

Shaheen needs time off. PCB need to do this for him.

 

[daytrader]

Starc to prioritise Australian fitness over Big Bash
Mitchell Starc has confirmed he won't make himself available for BBL|12 this summer as he aims to keep himself fit to represent Australia as much as he can

Mitchell Starc has become the first Australian star to confirm he won't play in this summer's KFC BBL as negotiations loom on future player availability.

This summer shapes as crucial for the competition following two COVID hit seasons, with Cricket Australia desperate to have as much top-line talent playing as often as possible.

Australia's multi-format stars are expected to be available for a portion of it, with January's three match ODI series against South Africa yet to be locked in after a late request from Cricket South Africa to shift the matches with the launch of their new T20 league slated for the same time.

But that won't alter Starc's position, who does not see himself featuring in the Big Bash any time soon.

The 32-year-old quick last played for Sydney Sixers in 2014-15, while also forgoing close to $10 million in possible salaries on offer in various T20 leagues across the globe since then.

"I have always enjoyed the BBL when I have played it ... but my approach with all franchise cricket hasn't changed over the last seven years," Starc said.

"My approach to the IPL, BBL, I have looked at the Australian schedule and wanting to be as fit and well-performed for that as I can.

"And franchise cricket has taken a back seat."

Starc's position comes in the midst of a cluttered international schedule for the Australian side.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/mit...ralia-fitness-smith-warner-cummins/2022-07-03

 

[sweep_shot]

Both Shaheen and Starc are world class. I don't think there's anything major to learn from one another.

 

[YorkerKing]

India captain Rohit Sharma has built quite a reputation for giving interesting responses to controversial queries. During a Q&A with the ICC in the lead up to the ODI World Cup, Rohit was asked several ‘tough’ questions and he aced them with clever and hilarious responses.
The 1983 ODI World Cup is widely accepted as a major milestone in the history of Indian sports. India, the underdogs, defeated two-time defending champions West Indies to win their first ever world title and they repeated the feat in 2011, becoming the first ever team to win the tournament at home.
When asked to pick between the two titles, Rohit replied, “Tough one, honestly, I would prefer both actually."
And then he asked whether he would prefer facing Mitchell Starc of Shaheen Afridi, both left-arm pacers.
Rohit, who in the clip said he prefers facing pacers over spinners, responded, “None, both are quality, quite threatening with the new ball, can swing the ball, quite fast. So I would say none."