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[VIDS/PICS] Pakistan announce 20-man initial squad for 2-match Test series vs South Africa

We'll see what happens but you are right that some guys may and may not get chances, bowling wise Sajid and Hassan will add some depth into our batting so that's good news also.

That's great. For too long we had a very long tail which led to many batting collapses. Mickey was good in that regard always tried to pick bowlers or bowling allrounders who could handle a bat.

Considering our vulnerable batting line up you cant have tailenders from number 8 on.
 
That's great. For too long we had a very long tail which led to many batting collapses. Mickey was good in that regard always tried to pick bowlers or bowling allrounders who could handle a bat.

Considering our vulnerable batting line up you cant have tailenders from number 8 on.

I'm just really looking forward to this game, can't wait!!! It comes on at a much more suitable time in the UK, so will be grabbing my coffee and enjoying the game.

Looking at some stats though i wouldn't play Tabish at Karachi but would be tempted to see him in Pindi.
 
I'm just really looking forward to this game, can't wait!!! It comes on at a much more suitable time in the UK, so will be grabbing my coffee and enjoying the game.

Looking at some stats though i wouldn't play Tabish at Karachi but would be tempted to see him in Pindi.

Here in Canada it starts at 12 am :( won't be able to watch the game at all,.I'll be asleep the entire time.
 
Here in Canada it starts at 12 am :( won't be able to watch the game at all,.I'll be asleep the entire time.

I feel for you bro, i am just hoping someone pulls off some blinders.

Can't wait though sports filled weekend with UFC 257 and then the start of the series.
 
I think any opener will be an upgrade over shan masood. Imran butt is a good fielder. And we all know how aweful abid ali is so got to try new opener

Abid Ali did well in Asian conditions , also being his first away tours to England and Newzealand he was able to see off the new ball.

Won’t drop him, he needs to be persisted with ..
 
Five trash, five low IQ. Dropped the best bowler after giving him one innings in the worst conditions for a spinner on earth.

Not the best place to debut for a spinner , I agree. But his bowling avg is 30 in FC , he needs a lot of improvement there. For a no.7/8 his batting avg is very impressive. He needs to decide if he wants to be selected as a bowler or an all rounder. His competition was Nauman Ali who has a better bowling avg and Nawaz who has a better batting avg.

I see no place for zafar gohar.
 
Is the selector Mohd Wasim the same former test player? I thought he migrated to NZ and was playing their domestics not so long ago....
 
I'll be talking after this test match, but the stats are looking comforting to me.

Yeah, I'll make a small judgement when the first pictures of the pitch come out.

I saw a few pictures showing that the outfield was very green, but could not see the pitch from the angles of the photographs.

Hopefully we get a look soon, because it will be a key determinant.

We have the home advantage, but South Africa is not an easy team by any means.

So like you, I will reserve my judgement of our team after the test match has concluded.
 
I'm just really looking forward to this game, can't wait!!! It comes on at a much more suitable time in the UK, so will be grabbing my coffee and enjoying the game.

Looking at some stats though i wouldn't play Tabish at Karachi but would be tempted to see him in Pindi.

My ideal XI for Pindi would be this:

1. Azhar Ali
2. Abid Ali
3. Saud Shakeel
4. Babar Azam
5. Fawad Alam
6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. Yasir Shah
10. Tabish Khan
11. Shaheen Afridi
 
My ideal XI for Pindi would be this:

1. Azhar Ali
2. Abid Ali
3. Saud Shakeel
4. Babar Azam
5. Fawad Alam
6. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hassan Ali
9. Yasir Shah
10. Tabish Khan
11. Shaheen Afridi

Instead of tabish , Haris should be tried could be a surprise addition and will benefit if there is reverse swing on offer. And i dont know why u select four seamers in asian conditions. I would pick nauman ali intead of faheem ashraf

Sajid khan here might not be good due to the number of right handers SA has, they might see him off.
 
Instead of tabish , Haris should be tried could be a surprise addition and will benefit if there is reverse swing on offer. And i dont know why u select four seamers in asian conditions. I would pick nauman ali intead of faheem ashraf

Sajid khan here might not be good due to the number of right handers SA has, they might see him off.

Rawalpindi is where we played 4 specialist pacers last year against Sri Lanka.

Mohammad Abbas
Usman Shinwari
Shaheen Afridi
Naseem Shah

As a ground, it’s tailor made for 4 pacers.
 
Anyone got vids of the training sessions? I'm having to scrounge around on YouTube to find them
 
Anyone got vids of the training sessions? I'm having to scrounge around on YouTube to find them

Most videos from PCB are about fielding

here is one

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Most videos from PCB are about fielding

here is one

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I've seen other ones of the batting, but good looking out bro!
 
Yes mo yusuf

Yes, its him.

Never thought I would live to see a day where MoYo stood listening to MuH with such a subservient pose after all his diatribes on TV.

I liked the place where Faheem was making contact with the deliveries in NZD, much closer to the crease and sometimes even at the crease. Hope MoYo can really help this lot. PAK's most orthodox and dare I say, arguably, one of the most gifted batsman for us over the last 20 or so years.
 
Never thought I would live to see a day where MoYo stood listening to MuH with such a subservient pose after all his diatribes on TV.

I liked the place where Faheem was making contact with the deliveries in NZD, much closer to the crease and sometimes even at the crease. Hope MoYo can really help this lot. PAK's most orthodox and dare I say, arguably, one of the most gifted batsman for us over the last 20 or so years.

MoYo is underrated imo he was a really good batsman
 
Abid Ali did well in Asian conditions , also being his first away tours to England and Newzealand he was able to see off the new ball.

Won’t drop him, he needs to be persisted with ..

Abid did well against poor bowling attacks of SL and Bangla.
He has glaring technical flaws. He pokes sometimes at deliveries outside off stump with hard hands .To in cutters he leaves a big gap between bat and pad playing away from the body. He doesnt use his front foot to create his own lengths. He's too old now to make corrections in his technique.
He's officially 33 and by the time next SENA cycle starts he'll be at an age at which most batsmen retire.
A new opener must be tried in home conditions because even our makeshift option azhar is also not going to play for long
 
Most videos from PCB are about fielding

here is one

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Never really understood the point of this kind of catching practice. Open faced bat, you already know the ball is coming at you, heavy padding on the hands... not reflective of in match situation at all.
 
Look at Misbah and Yousaf playing nice :))) Yousaf holds genuine disgust for Misbah, so this is quite funny
 
Abid did well against poor bowling attacks of SL and Bangla.
He has glaring technical flaws. He pokes sometimes at deliveries outside off stump with hard hands .To in cutters he leaves a big gap between bat and pad playing away from the body. He doesnt use his front foot to create his own lengths. He's too old now to make corrections in his technique.
He's officially 33 and by the time next SENA cycle starts he'll be at an age at which most batsmen retire.
A new opener must be tried in home conditions because even our makeshift option azhar is also not going to play for long

I might not be Abid's biggest fan but these should be the conditions he should be thriving on, all the guys know exactly how to bat on the NSK pitch. They've had ample matches here whether it be domestic or international.
 
Abid did well against poor bowling attacks of SL and Bangla.
He has glaring technical flaws. He pokes sometimes at deliveries outside off stump with hard hands .To in cutters he leaves a big gap between bat and pad playing away from the body. He doesnt use his front foot to create his own lengths. He's too old now to make corrections in his technique.
He's officially 33 and by the time next SENA cycle starts he'll be at an age at which most batsmen retire.
A new opener must be tried in home conditions because even our makeshift option azhar is also not going to play for long

Fair enough. I was bummed about Saud not debuting but that makes sense. I suppose Imran Butt it is then.
 
Fair enough. I was bummed about Saud not debuting but that makes sense. I suppose Imran Butt it is then.

I think they are getting severe backlash on Azhar opening as an option and the media will be having a field day saying why are you opening with him when you have Imran and Abdullah??

Personally you can't go with whole sale changes but would be inclined to favour only 2 debutants in Imran and perhaps Sajid/Numan.
 
I think they are getting severe backlash on Azhar opening as an option and the media will be having a field day saying why are you opening with him when you have Imran and Abdullah??

Personally you can't go with whole sale changes but would be inclined to favour only 2 debutants in Imran and perhaps Sajid/Numan.

You can go with 2 debutants and still have Saud (at 3 while Azhar opens instead of Imran). I hope they don’t make a decision based on media because if they don’t debut Saud there will be another media backlash on that...
 
You can go with 2 debutants and still have Saud (at 3 while Azhar opens instead of Imran). I hope they don’t make a decision based on media because if they don’t debut Saud there will be another media backlash on that...

The thing is if you think about it, it's not exactly logical to make Azhar open so will it be the case that Azhar opens on dead pitches and lively ones he moves down to 3? Then people will say oh he's not an opener his natural slot is 3. Thinking about it, it won't be right to open with Azhar and so Imran should be trialed even though i think a partnership in the middle (I perceive this one to be important) with Saud and Fawad will be important. In one favour i am for Azhar opening and Saud playing at 3, but i won't bat an eyelid if we go with Saud at 3.
 
The thing is if you think about it, it's not exactly logical to make Azhar open so will it be the case that Azhar opens on dead pitches and lively ones he moves down to 3? Then people will say oh he's not an opener his natural slot is 3. Thinking about it, it won't be right to open with Azhar and so Imran should be trialed even though i think a partnership in the middle (I perceive this one to be important) with Saud and Fawad will be important. In one favour i am for Azhar opening and Saud playing at 3, but i won't bat an eyelid if we go with Saud at 3.

I’m just thinking in terms of future team development. Imran Butt is an okay opener. Saud is a top class prospect.

Fast forward 2 years and after a series in England, Imran gets a pair and two single digits while Azhar has finally retired and Abid is also on the verge of getting the boot.

Saud ko hum tab layen gay?
 
I’m just thinking in terms of future team development. Imran Butt is an okay opener. Saud is a top class prospect.

Fast forward 2 years and after a series in England, Imran gets a pair and two single digits while Azhar has finally retired and Abid is also on the verge of getting the boot.

Saud ko hum tab layen gay?

Fact is and let's be clear even if u picked Saud and Kamran for NZ they would've gotten demolished as well.

The lack of focus to encourage players to play English County Cricket (which all the best Pakistan players have played) and lack of cricket played in challenging conditions i.e. like the track we have in Rawalpindi (btw no matches were played there in this QeA season maybe cause of Covid) or lack of creation of drop in pitches will only make our players worse in away conditions. Fact is Pakistan already knows how to improve away performances but they just don't bother trying and make excuses like money.

In summary, you will never find players suitable for away conditions until you don't play them there or encourage them to apply to away leagues.

Look at Pakistan's former players who played English County and how much it improved their game heck even look at non-Pakistani players like Sanga and Pujara.

However, with all that said let's focus on the task at hand and wonder were we can have potential gear changes and turning points in this first test match.
 
Never really understood the point of this kind of catching practice. Open faced bat, you already know the ball is coming at you, heavy padding on the hands... not reflective of in match situation at all.

I agree, their has to be a fielding drill where the fielder does not know if the ball is coming to him or not. That will be a much better drill
 
Fact is and let's be clear even if u picked Saud and Kamran for NZ they would've gotten demolished as well.

The lack of focus to encourage players to play English County Cricket (which all the best Pakistan players have played) and lack of cricket played in challenging conditions i.e. like the track we have in Rawalpindi (btw no matches were played there in this QeA season maybe cause of Covid) or lack of creation of drop in pitches will only make our players worse in away conditions. Fact is Pakistan already knows how to improve away performances but they just don't bother trying and make excuses like money.

In summary, you will never find players suitable for away conditions until you don't play them there or encourage them to apply to away leagues.

Look at Pakistan's former players who played English County and how much it improved their game heck even look at non-Pakistani players like Sanga and Pujara.

However, with all that said let's focus on the task at hand and wonder were we can have potential gear changes and turning points in this first test match.

We always focus on the task at hand then end up with another problem in another year. I’m skeptical about debuting Imran Butt on basis of a 36 average in FC cricket.
 
We always focus on the task at hand then end up with another problem in another year. I’m skeptical about debuting Imran Butt on basis of a 36 average in FC cricket.

Yep, him not being picked won't be an injustice at all. Only really performed in one season and that was it. However, even i'm not tempted to make an assumption on him who knows he could be really good.

Like i said even the period of Misbah-Younis we dominated at home with some lucky draws away.
 
Never really understood the point of this kind of catching practice. Open faced bat, you already know the ball is coming at you, heavy padding on the hands... not reflective of in match situation at all.

Well they tried hard drills in NZ and what did we get

1. Fracture for Babar
2. Fracture for Imam
 
Pictures (courtesy of the PCB) of the Pakistan Test squad training ahead of the 1st Test against South Africa which starts on 26th January

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Imran Butt seems an extremely flawed selection, apart from one outlier domestic season his performances have palpably not been international standard. He just screams mediocrity to me.

If the management is unwilling to ask Azhar Ali to open, then I'd rather have persisted with Shan Masood.
 
Misbah has put on some weight. As a player it was said he was the fittest in the team, he must now be learning the hard way that coaching Pakistan is a very thankless job
 
Video of Pakistan training

Watch for the new bunch of spinners bowling in this.

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If this is our squad then PCB should consider inviting Fiji or Bermuda instead of SA.
 
If this is our squad then PCB should consider inviting Fiji or Bermuda instead of SA.

Well everybod wanted people selected on merits. Unfortunately this is what we have dont tell me this squad isnt there on merit?
 
Fahim defonitely looked better against new zealand credit to yusuf or younis ? Lol
 
Well they tried hard drills in NZ and what did we get

1. Fracture for Babar
2. Fracture for Imam

Didn't both of those injuries happen while batting?

They did the same slip catching practice and we all saw the results. All I'm saying is that even an amature would find easy to take catches in such drills. They really need to be more creative than this
 
Video of Pakistan training

Watch for the new bunch of spinners bowling in this.

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Something about this Sajid guy.

Is this another cobra spinner in the making?
 
Fahim defonitely looked better against new zealand credit to yusuf or younis ? Lol

Faheem credits Yousuf and Yousuf also took credit for working with him two weeks before the series. Easy to take credit after a player performs but not so easy to take responsibility while the player is in a bad patch. So lots of credit to MoYo.
 
Didn't both of those injuries happen while batting?

They did the same slip catching practice and we all saw the results. All I'm saying is that even an amature would find easy to take catches in such drills. They really need to be more creative than this

What kinds of drills do England, Australia do? Why do we never just copy them?
 
Well they tried hard drills in NZ and what did we get

1. Fracture for Babar
2. Fracture for Imam

they werent done fielding as far as i rem, and if u are worried about breaking bones from proper slip catching practise then you have a seriously flawed technique.

i remember i read an interview of mark waugh, he said they didnt do much slip catching practise because they ended up with sore hands. that just goes to show the intensity of their slip catching practise, alsa pretty sure they didnt use gloves to protect their hands, makes no sense, they wont protect if you jam your finger against the ball, its only there so the ball hurts less.

these clips have been repeated and the results have been too, paks slip fielding drills are not close to match conditions, they in separate continents and its mostly the reason why pak has terrible slippers.

0:26 to 0:48, theres no way paks fielders are catching at that intensity, and no way they would be able to develop soft hands needed to control tough chances imo

 
they werent done fielding as far as i rem, and if u are worried about breaking bones from proper slip catching practise then you have a seriously flawed technique.

i remember i read an interview of mark waugh, he said they didnt do much slip catching practise because they ended up with sore hands. that just goes to show the intensity of their slip catching practise, alsa pretty sure they didnt use gloves to protect their hands, makes no sense, they wont protect if you jam your finger against the ball, its only there so the ball hurts less.

these clips have been repeated and the results have been too, paks slip fielding drills are not close to match conditions, they in separate continents and its mostly the reason why pak has terrible slippers.

0:26 to 0:48, theres no way paks fielders are catching at that intensity, and no way they would be able to develop soft hands needed to control tough chances imo


Shadab is a very good fielder and took some blinders in international
 
Faheem credits Yousuf and Yousuf also took credit for working with him two weeks before the series. Easy to take credit after a player performs but not so easy to take responsibility while the player is in a bad patch. So lots of credit to MoYo.

Good stuff hopefully he can work with some of the younger players during off season
 
Abid did well against poor bowling attacks of SL and Bangla.
He has glaring technical flaws. He pokes sometimes at deliveries outside off stump with hard hands .To in cutters he leaves a big gap between bat and pad playing away from the body. He doesnt use his front foot to create his own lengths. He's too old now to make corrections in his technique.
He's officially 33 and by the time next SENA cycle starts he'll be at an age at which most batsmen retire.
A new opener must be tried in home conditions because even our makeshift option azhar is also not going to play for long
Abdullah Shafique is the next big guy akin to Babar. He should be groomed in HPC by moyo
 
South Africa will play their first Test in Pakistan for 14 years this week, a match being described as a "monumental moment" for the revival of international cricket in the country.

The match in the port city of Karachi starting Tuesday marks a significant vote of confidence for Pakistan where international cricket was suspended following a terrorist attack on the Sri Lanka team's bus in Lahore in 2009.

Foreign teams refused to tour the terror-hit country on security fears and it was only in the last six years that Pakistan hosted limited-over series before Test cricket was revived for the first time in a decade with the visit of Sri Lanka in December 2019.

A tight security cordon has been thrown around the venue and Pakistan Cricket Board chief executive Wasim Khan said South Africa's visit was significant.

"These are very exciting times for fans and supporters," said Khan.

"I would say that it's a monumental moment that South Africa is here after 14 years and everybody is looking forward to the matches."

England have also agreed to play two Twenty20s in October on their first trip to Pakistan since 2005, to be followed by New Zealand and the West Indies for white-ball series.

If all go untroubled, then Australia will arrive for Tests and one-day matches next year, having not toured Pakistan since 1998.

"We have an exciting year ahead of us as our efforts are bearing fruit," said Khan, a former England county player and ex-chief executive of Leicestershire.

- Unknown conditions -

On the field a dominant South Africa -- having won 15 of the 26 Tests between the two teams with four losses and seven draws -- will take on a new-look Pakistan with Babar Azam making his Test captaincy debut.

It will be a dream come true for Azam, who was a ball boy during South Africa's last tour in 2007, but he faces a task to lift Pakistan after being swept 2-0 in Tests in New Zealand in the past month.

Azam is back to full fitness after missing the New Zealand tour with a fractured thumb and leads an inexperienced 20-man squad with nine players yet to play a Test.

One of the uncapped spinners, Nauman Ali and Sajid Khan, is expected to win their first cap partnering seasoned leg-spinner Yasir Shah.

South Africa captain Quinton De Kock, whose team blanked Sri Lanka 2-0 at home in their recent series, said he expects spin to be a big factor.

"Those selections say a lot about where they want to go and how they want to prepare these wickets," said De Kock, who has left-armer Keshav Maharaj as his frontline spinner.

De Kock cautioned that none of his squad have played in Pakistan before.

"Our biggest challenge would be the conditions that we could face because they are unknown to us," he said.

Head coach Mark Boucher did tour Pakistan as a player three times -- 1997, 2003 and 2007.

"I think Mark Boucher and one or two other guys who have played here would keep us updated and guide us," said De Kock.

The second Test is in Rawalpindi from February 4-8 followed by three Twenty20 internationals in Lahore on February 11, 13 and 14.

The coronavirus pandemic means all the matches will be played without fans in attendance.

Pakistan (from): Babar Azam (capt), Abid Ali, Abdullah Shafique, Imran Butt, Azhar Ali, Fawad Alam, Kamran Ghulam, Salman Ali Agha, Saud Shakeel, Faheem Ashraf, Mohammad Nawaz, Mohammad Rizwan, Sarfraz Ahmed, Nauman Ali, Sajid Khan, Yasir Shah, Haris Rauf, Hasan Ali, Shaheen Shah Afridi, Tabish Khan

South Africa (from): Quinton de Kock (capt), Temba Bavuma, Aiden Markram, Faf du Plessis, Dean Elgar, Kagiso Rabada, Dwaine Pretorius, Keshav Maharaj, Lungi Ngidi, Rassie van der Dussen, Anrich Nortje, Wiaan Mulder, Lutho Sipamla, Beuran Hendricks, Kyle Verreynne, Sarel Erwee, Keegan Petersen, Tabraiz Shamsi, George Linde, Daryn Dupavillon, Marco Jansen.

https://cricket.yahoo.net/news/south-africa-tests-mark-monumental-180616099
 
Abdullah Shafique is the next big guy akin to Babar. He should be groomed in HPC by moyo

Nothing can teach you more than spending time on the pitch. The guy has played just 1 first class game and they will waste his entire domestic season making him carry drinks for everyone in national team. We have a clueless and thoroughly unprofessional management
 
Practice video from PCB

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I watch Domestic Cricket...
...If the PCB or anyone here had even two braincells they would go with this:

1. Abdullah Shafique
2. Abid Ali
3. Babar Azam (c)
4. Fawad Alam
5. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
6. Sarfaraz Ahmed
7. Mohammad Nawaz
8. Hasan Ali
9. Shaheen Afridi
10. Sajid Khan
11. Tabish Khan
 
Pictures (courtesy of the PCB) of Pakistan squad's training session at the NSK, ahead of the 1st Test vs South Africa

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Practice video from PCB

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Pakistan captain Babar Azam and South Africa captain Quinton de Kock pose with the Pakistan-South Africa Test series trophy. The first Test begins at National Stadium Karachi tomorrow.

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Good luck to Imran Butt

I hope to be proven wrong but I don't see any special talent in Imran Butt. He just looks very mediocre. He also seems to be the oldest 25 year old looking I have seen :ifti
 
Saud was bowling(rather than batting) in the nets to Faheem and Nauman


So Saud won’t be playing(Imran will have to debut then) whereas Nauman and Faheem will be playing

If Nauman plays Sajid and Nawaz won’t play, as Yasir will be in the 11 for sure


Hence this will be the 11

Abid
Imran
Azhar
Babar *
Fawad
Rizwan +
Faheem
Nauman
Yasir
Hassan
Shaheen
 
What kinds of drills do England, Australia do? Why do we never just copy them?

Fair question. I am sure they are innovating quite frequently but I have always seen Pak practicing with this outdated, irrelevant and fairly easy technique.
 
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