Virat Kohli and Sachin Tendulkar have near identical stats from 0 to 30th ODI century

[Joseph Gomes]

Tendulkar completely changed as a batsman after becoming an opener in ODIs.

Tendulkar 1st-30th ton timeframe: 9 Sep 1994- 5 Oct 2001

Inns- 192
Runs- 8436
Highest score- 186
SR- 88.35

Kohli

Inns- 186
Runs- 8587
Highest Score- 183
SR- 91.72

Average not included because Kohli remained NO much more, so it's inflated

Thoughts?

 

[ipl_fan]

SRT's SR is outrageous considering the pace of the game and quality of bowlers back then.

 

[ipl_fan]

Remaining Not Out is an achievement in itself. I don't understand discrediting averages coz a player was Not Out.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Kindly don't forget that Sachin had to carry the weight of the team everytime he walked out to bat. He didn't have the kind of fast bowlers ( except for Srinath), like Kohli has to give him mental assurance. That still doesn't mean Kohli is any less.
Personally I find this discussion and comparison about Kohli and Sachin a lot of **. They are very similar players and no point comparing who is better than whom

 

[Stallion__]

If you are going to ignore their averages, Kohli, Amla and Tendulkar will have similar numbers at any point after given number of centuries.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Wow, those stats are nearly identical.

If you could post the averages as well. Kohli could go on to score about 400-500 runs in the next 6 innings (very much possible if the Ind-Aus ODI series has similar pitches to last time).

 

[Slog]

Remaining Not Out is an achievement in itself. I don't understand discrediting averages coz a player was Not Out.

especially when the said batsman is batting at #3

if someone is batting at #6 or even #5 and he remains not out regularly you can make a case that it inflates a score but not here

 

[Slog]

Kindly don't forget that Sachin had to carry the weight of the team everytime he walked out to bat. He didn't have the kind of fast bowlers ( except for Srinath), like Kohli has to give him mental assurance. That still doesn't mean Kohli is any less.
Personally I find this discussion and comparison about Kohli and Sachin a lot of **. They are very similar players and no point comparing who is better than whom

its not like Kohli is walking out knowing that he has Steyn and McGrath in the bowling attack

Most Indian bowlers still end up getting phainty

And Sachin had decent batsmen around him. Azharuddin, Sidhu earlier than Ganguly, Laxman, Dravid etc

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Gotta normalize SRT's numbers (average, SR) for this era.

Someone do it please cos I am too lazy to do it.

90s SRT was a far more entertaining bat while Kohli is more clinical.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Gotta normalize SRT's numbers (average, SR) for this era.

Someone do it please cos I am too lazy to do it.

90s SRT was a far more entertaining bat while Kohli is more clinical.

Here are some stats you may find interesting

9 Sep 1994- 5 Oct 2001 (for openers, pos 1 and 2)

Inns- 3294
Runs- 104609
Strike rate- 72.59
100s- 183

18 Aug 2008- 17 Sep 2017 (not counting today's match) (for pos 3-4)
Inns- 4507
Runs- 150313
Strike Rate- 79.16
100s- 256

Tendulkar - contemporaries SR = 15.76
Kohli - contemporaries SR = 12.56

 

[Slog]

Here are some stats you may find interesting

9 Sep 1994- 5 Oct 2001 (for openers, pos 1 and 2)

Inns- 3294
Runs- 104609
Strike rate- 72.59
100s- 183

18 Aug 2008- 17 Sep 2017 (not counting today's match) (for pos 3-4)
Inns- 4507
Runs- 150313
Strike Rate- 79.16
100s- 256

Tendulkar - contemporaries SR = 15.76
Kohli - contemporaries SR = 12.56

does that really tell anything?

it would have stats of many poor openers from associates etc

 

[IndianWillow]

Sachin was an opener. Not outs will be rare in ODIs for an opener. Sachin stats are extraordinary for an ODI opener during the 90s upto mid 00s. His SR did not go up with passage of time, he became a less aggressive batsman as time went by.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

does that really tell anything?

it would have stats of many poor openers from associates etc

Well, it's the same for no. 3 and 4

 

[Slog]

Sachin was an opener. Not outs will be rare in ODIs for an opener. Sachin stats are extraordinary for an ODI opener during the 90s upto mid 00s. His SR did not go up with passage of time, he became a less aggressive batsman as time went by.

i dont the opener aspect matters here

Kohli bat at #3

he doesnt have any major advantage over an opener as far as staying not out is concerned

 

[AlizeeFan]

i dont the opener aspect matters here

Kohli bat at #3

he doesnt have any major advantage over an opener as far as staying not out is concerned

Actually these not outs are difference between some of the won and lost matches. For ex - if SRT had stayed not out in that inning of 175 against Aus , his avg would be up marginally but India would have won the match.

A player scoring 10-15 runs more in close matches and staying not out, can have similar stats to a player getting out 4 overs early, but results could be different.

 

[IndianWillow]

i dont the opener aspect matters here

Kohli bat at #3

he doesnt have any major advantage over an opener as far as staying not out is concerned

Compare Sachin stats with other leading openers of his era - 1993 to 2005. Jayasuriya had superior SR at much lesser avg. Others dont even merit comparison. Ganguly had much lower SR. Gilly much lesser avg. 230-240 was par ODI score in the 90s and Sachin averaged some 45odd at SR high 80s. ODI openers do get dismissed nearly everytime, unless chasing a small target. Sachin's SR of high 80s in the 90s and first half of noughties is par with SR 100+ today.

 

[Blitz]

Tendulkar completely changed as a batsman after becoming an opener in ODIs.

Tendulkar 1st-30th ton timeframe: 9 Sep 1994- 5 Oct 2001

Inns- 192
Runs- 8436
Highest score- 186
SR- 88.35

Kohli

Inns- 186
Runs- 8587
Highest Score- 183
SR- 91.72

Average not included because Kohli remained NO much more, so it's inflated

Thoughts?

To disregard the most important stat in cricket is ridiculous.

More so, because not outs in ODI's are regarded so highly. This isn't a Michael Bevan batting at 7 or 8. This is Kholi batting at 3, and remaining not out. It absolutely solidifies why he's the greatest chaser ever.

You're attempting to show stats in a way to win your own argument.

Stats or no stats, I've watched cricket along enough to know that Kholi is the greatest ODI bat ever. Unfortunately for you, when the stats are not manipulated, they show the same thing.

 

[Ab Fan]

Both have got plenty of memorable knocks to their names in odis format.

Two of greatest in odis IMO.

SRT would have also been averaging close to 55 these days at an even better SR but I dont think that should be issue given kohli bats at a fast rate too when required.

 

[Ahmad Shah]

in which significant game kohli has chased??
in critical matches he failed
i remember 2015 semi final and CT Final

most of his chases are in useless bilateral series

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Sachin is the greatest ODI batsman of all time, his strike rate-average combo was unmatched in the 90s

 

[Slog]

in which significant game kohli has chased??
in critical matches he failed
i remember 2015 semi final and CT Final

most of his chases are in useless bilateral series

CT 2013 says hi

 

[IndianWillow]

Sachin is the greatest ODI batsman of all time, his strike rate-average combo was unmatched in the 90s

Viv Richards and Zaheer Abbas had very high average/SR combo for their eras. Viv's looks very good even today!

 

[Hasan123]

I think Kohli can finish as a better LO batter then Sachin. The challenge for him is in tests.

 

[shaz619]

Tendulkar completely changed as a batsman after becoming an opener in ODIs.

Tendulkar 1st-30th ton timeframe: 9 Sep 1994- 5 Oct 2001

Inns- 192
Runs- 8436
Highest score- 186
SR- 88.35

Kohli

Inns- 186
Runs- 8587
Highest Score- 183
SR- 91.72

Average not included because Kohli remained NO much more, so it's inflated

Thoughts?

And it wasn't even a batsman friendly era then, conditions were tougher and bowlers were quality as well yet he produced some amazing numbers yet Kohli will be put on a level playing field as Sachin for similar feats under more compatible circumstances. Unless Kohli emphatically produces the goods to the point where he's doing significantly better then his peers then maybe we can talk about Sachin comparisons, other wise it's not enough.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

Viv Richards and Zaheer Abbas had very high average/SR combo for their eras. Viv's looks very good even today!

first of all I said in the 90s, abbas has a sample set of 60 matches, he doesn't even deserve to be mentioned there, viv played in an era where odi cricket wasn't developed enough, most great bowlers were in his own team, there was no great spinner in world cricket, the 90s was the toughest era for odi cricket, all the world class players of odi played in the 90s, you have great fast bowlers in akram, donald, pollack, mcgrath, ambrose, greatest spinners the world has ever seen in warne and murali and also the pitches weren't as heavily in favour of batsman as today

 

[Slog]

first of all I said in the 90s, abbas has a sample set of 60 matches, he doesn't even deserve to be mentioned there, viv played in an era where odi cricket wasn't developed enough, most great bowlers were in his own team, there was no great spinner in world cricket, the 90s was the toughest era for odi cricket, all the world class players of odi played in the 90s, you have great fast bowlers in akram, donald, pollack, mcgrath, ambrose, greatest spinners the world has ever seen in warne and murali and also the pitches weren't as heavily in favour of batsman as today

batting conditions in the 70s and 80s were certainly tougher than 90s

stop rewriting history

 

[IndianWillow]

first of all I said in the 90s, abbas has a sample set of 60 matches, he doesn't even deserve to be mentioned there, viv played in an era where odi cricket wasn't developed enough, most great bowlers were in his own team, there was no great spinner in world cricket, the 90s was the toughest era for odi cricket, all the world class players of odi played in the 90s, you have great fast bowlers in akram, donald, pollack, mcgrath, ambrose, greatest spinners the world has ever seen in warne and murali and also the pitches weren't as heavily in favour of batsman as today

For SR Richards has truly no parallel in any era among genuine batsmen. His SR in test cricket is 69 at an average of 50. In ODI average 47@90 SR. Pitches were not batsmen friendly in ODIs during the 80s, no bouncer rules, no field restrictions etc. Viv's numbers are just astounding for both tests and ODIs.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

For SR Richards has truly no parallel in any era among genuine batsmen. His SR in test cricket is 69 at an average of 50. In ODI average 47@90 SR. Pitches were not batsmen friendly in ODIs during the 80s, no bouncer rules, no field restrictions etc. Viv's numbers are just astounding for both tests and ODIs.

Viv's numbers are Bradmanesque in ODIs, except his are legit for playing in a professional era against various opponents in various conditions, unlike Bradman's

 

[IndianWillow]

Viv's numbers are Bradmanesque in ODIs, except his are legit for playing in a professional era against various opponents in various conditions, unlike Bradman's

Viv always gave sleepless nights to rival captains. You had to get him out early. There was no way to keep him from scoring. He used to smash bowlers like Lillee and Thomo for sixes at the huge MCG, and used no helmet though it was available during his days. A great fourth innings chase of 172 off 26 overs became possible when Viv scored 61 off 36 balls against India. No team or batsman would dream about that in 1983. Sachin was not suited for those impact knocks in a test match, maybe Sehwag can do that.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

batting conditions in the 70s and 80s were certainly tougher than 90s

stop rewriting history

Is that why only 3 batsmen were able to average over 50 in the 90s, also who were the great fast bowlers viv faced in odi? Who were the great spinners viv faced?

 

[FreePalestine]

Regardless of issues with his methodology, the comparison is interesting.

Key thing for me is that the pitches are much, much flatter now then they were back then. Bats are better. Averages for top batsmen in ODI's have gone up.

Players like Alex Hales can score massively because of these flat tracks where they hit through the line. Couldn't do that as much in Tendulkar's day. So I would say he does deserve a bit of generosity in this comparison.

But, I still think Kohli is probably one of the best ODI batsman of all time. His not-outs are a credit since he batted at 3.

 

[CanadianG00se]

And it wasn't even a batsman friendly era then, conditions were tougher and bowlers were quality as well yet he produced some amazing numbers yet Kohli will be put on a level playing field as Sachin for similar feats under more compatible circumstances. Unless Kohli emphatically produces the goods to the point where he's doing significantly better then his peers then maybe we can talk about Sachin comparisons, other wise it's not enough.

So would it be wise to say that bowlers of today's generations are much better than ones in 90s? Even in bowler friendly wickets they got phainty whereas bowlers of today's era bowling in absolute pattas and yet outbowling greats of 90s?

So,
Starc > Akram.

And without any biased any sane Indian will take Kohli over Tendulkar( Tendulkar fan here) simply because the former actually helps India wins on more occasion than the latter ever did.

 

[CricFan2012]

Sachin is undoubtedly the second best batsman after Viv.

Even though viv didnt get to face his own bowling and was average against pakistans good bowling, he played in an era with awful batting pitches, along with no helment, wow.

Tendulkar is second best because he carried the whole team with him, didn't have good batting support for half his career, also didn't get to feast on the awful indian bowling like other batsmen did at the time, although he did not play against Pakistan as much, he still played some and has great performances there.

Anyone who places tendulkar below top 5 has serious bias issues.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

So would it be wise to say that bowlers of today's generations are much better than ones in 90s? Even in bowler friendly wickets they got phainty whereas bowlers of today's era bowling in absolute pattas and yet outbowling greats of 90s?

So,
Starc > Akram.

And without any biased any sane Indian will take Kohli over Tendulkar( Tendulkar fan here) simply because the former actually helps India wins on more occasion than the latter ever did.

Wut..

In 90, SRT the opener's average in games India lost was 26. In games won, it was 76 with 90 SR.

At the age of 23, SRT carried India's batting and scored in SF too after the pitch had gone real tough.

What did Kohli in comparison?

Choke in 2011 WC. Choke in 2015 WC. Choke in CT 2017 finals. Choke in WI-SL-Ind tri series final. Choke in tons of Asia Cup finals.

Clicked in CT 2013 final ..Will give him that.

Some Indians will pick Kohli. Others will pick Tendu.

Its mixed. But as of now, Kohli had done diddly squat compared to the great Tendu. He is a better pressure player and can potentially overtake him but as of now, all he has done is screw up when the stakes are high.

Tidbit: Tendulkar faced an attack McGrath, Donald, Kumble in an exhibition match in London in 1998 and tore them apart to chase down 260 odd. It's one of his forgotten knocks. Haha.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He is a better pressure player

Ability to soak up pressure. But hasn't done it in knockout games. But has a higher ceiling than Tendu when it comes to doing that.

 

[Stallion__]

Gotta normalize SRT's numbers (average, SR) for this era.

Someone do it please cos I am too lazy to do it.

90s SRT was a far more entertaining bat while Kohli is more clinical.

Maybe not exactly what you want, but an interesting inspection of their numbers.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_...ere-sachin-tendulkar-viv-richards-odi-batsman

and btw welcome back

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Interesting table. Thanks Stallion.

Taking top 7 into account, SRT's numbers for this era would be 49.70 average with 98 SR.

As opener, it would be even better considering SRT averaged 48 with 90 SR in his career. That would be 54.75 average with 102 SR.

This is excluding the quality of bowlers he faced where each team used to have a couple of guns bowling.

 

[The_Odd_One]

first of all I said in the 90s, abbas has a sample set of 60 matches, he doesn't even deserve to be mentioned there, viv played in an era where odi cricket wasn't developed enough, most great bowlers were in his own team, there was no great spinner in world cricket, the 90s was the toughest era for odi cricket, all the world class players of odi played in the 90s, you have great fast bowlers in akram, donald, pollack, mcgrath, ambrose, greatest spinners the world has ever seen in warne and murali and also the pitches weren't as heavily in favour of batsman as today

Zaheer played those 60 matches over a long period of time. He was no Barry Richards that you can't predict how he would have performed had he played more games.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Tendulkar is the greatest opener of all time. There is no doubt about that. However, what makes Kohli greater for me is his NOs. that tells you the high number of times he has finished games.

How many top order batsmen are finishers too? Zero!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Kohli can be greatest ever when he does something of note in knockouts.

Bilateral bullying ain't gonna cut it. He is already declared ATG for that. GOAT tag he won't get with that.

I love Kohli and think he has the killer instinct Tendu never had but he has achieved nothing close to what Tendu achieved.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Wut..

In 90, SRT the opener's average in games India lost was 26. In games won, it was 76 with 90 SR.

At the age of 23, SRT carried India's batting and scored in SF too after the pitch had gone real tough.

What did Kohli in comparison?

Choke in 2011 WC. Choke in 2015 WC. Choke in CT 2017 finals. Choke in WI-SL-Ind tri series final. Choke in tons of Asia Cup finals.

Clicked in CT 2013 final ..Will give him that.

Some Indians will pick Kohli. Others will pick Tendu.

Its mixed. But as of now, Kohli had done diddly squat compared to the great Tendu. He is a better pressure player and can potentially overtake him but as of now, all he has done is screw up when the stakes are high.

Tidbit: Tendulkar faced an attack McGrath, Donald, Kumble in an exhibition match in London in 1998 and tore them apart to chase down 260 odd. It's one of his forgotten knocks. Haha.

Tendulkar too choked in ICC Wc finals (2003 and 2011) even his knock in semis against Pakistan was horrible knock despite getting countless lives.
Tendulkar was great no doubt but he failed to close the games on many occassion. His centuries in lost games is testimony to that. With Kohli, if he scores 100 you know India is going to win. Very rarely does India lose games when Kohli scores century.

Pleaae stop hyping the bowlers of 90s. On one hand you claimed pitches were bowler friendly on other hand you easily negate batting records in todays era. If batsmen of todays era arent comparable to ones in 90s than bowlers of todays era should be rated quite highly compared to Bowling track bullies of 90s; can't have it bothways.

Some fans no matter what player does in today's era will always be inferior to ones from yesteryear.

Dude Kohli scored 30 centuries in ODI just halfway through his career whereas an ATG Ponting score as many in his entire career.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Kohli can be greatest ever when he does something of note in knockouts.

Bilateral bullying ain't gonna cut it. He is already declared ATG for that. GOAT tag he won't get with that.

I love Kohli and think he has the killer instinct Tendu never had but he has achieved nothing close to what Tendu achieved.

What exactly did Tendulkar did in WC KO games. He failed in two Worldcup finals.

 

[sachin100]

Kohli can be greatest ever when he does something of note in knockouts.

Bilateral bullying ain't gonna cut it. He is already declared ATG for that. GOAT tag he won't get with that.

I love Kohli and think he has the killer instinct Tendu never had but he has achieved nothing close to what Tendu achieved.

Kohli is the new dhoni. His stats in bilaterals are awesome but when it comes to icc tournaments they r horrible.

Atleast dhoni has one brilliant innings in final where as kohli has zilch. Kohli needs one great world cup like he has in t 20 world cups to become undisputed atg.

I am a kohli fan but he is no way a better player than sachin in icc tourneys. He is not even half the player sachin is in icc world cups.

People has already started calling him a choker in icc tournaments. He has to correct it and i hope he does.

 

[CricFan2012]

Kohli is the new dhoni. His stats in bilaterals are awesome but when it comes to icc tournaments they r horrible.

Atleast dhoni has one brilliant innings in final where as kohli has zilch. Kohli needs one great world cup like he has in t 20 world cups to become undisputed atg.

I am a kohli fan but he is no way a better player than sachin in icc tourneys. He is not even half the player sachin is in icc world cups.

People has already started calling him a choker in icc tournaments. He has to correct it and i hope he does.

t20 world cups are still world events and they count.

King kholi is already an ATG in the eyes of the world, winning the 2023 world cup will be the icing on the cake inshala

 

[sachin100]

What exactly did Tendulkar did in WC KO games. He failed in two Worldcup finals.

Yes he is an undisputed goat in bilaterals but he has done zilch in icc tournaments.

Sachin is the man of the series in 2 world cups and second highest scorer in 2011 wc.

Kohli is not even a top 5 player in any icc odi tourneys.

 

[sachin100]

What exactly did Tendulkar did in WC KO games. He failed in two Worldcup finals.

Please tell me what has kohli done in a single knock out match in icc odi tourneys.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

What exactly did Tendulkar did in WC KO games. He failed in two Worldcup finals.

Ok ji. What exactly did Tendulkar do in OTHER ICC knockout games?

1996 WC SF - 65 on a tough pitch
1998 ICC Knockout - Scored 141 (we were 10/2 or something) and knocked ATG Aus out
2000 ICC Knockout - Scored 37 but it was a Jayasuriyaesque knock where he dismantled McGrath by smashing him all over the park (0/67) and got us off to a great start (Yuvi was the hero of the game no doubt)
1998 Dhaka tri series final - Scored 41 off 26 balls as we chased down 314 in 47 overs against Pakistan (Ganguly centurion)
1998 tri series - 132 in finals against Aus (desert storm)
2000 ICC Knockout Finals - Scored 69 (mega opening partnership with Ganguly after which India crumbled)
2003 WC SF - 80 odd against Kenya
2011 QF - 50 odd against Aus
2011 SF - 83 against Pak (yes was dropped but did score)

All in all, in WC, he played like 6 knockouts, failed in 2 finals while scored in other 4.
Apart from that, has an iconic knock in ICC knockout...some good impactful support roles.

What has Kohli done in comparison?

In finals (all tourneys), inspite of all the choking, SRT averaged 55 while Kohli averages 17.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

^2008 CB Series finals - 91 and 114 against Aus

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Tendulkar too choked in ICC Wc finals (2003 and 2011) even his knock in semis against Pakistan was horrible knock despite getting countless lives.
Tendulkar was great no doubt but he failed to close the games on many occassion. His centuries in lost games is testimony to that. With Kohli, if he scores 100 you know India is going to win. Very rarely does India lose games when Kohli scores century.

Pleaae stop hyping the bowlers of 90s. On one hand you claimed pitches were bowler friendly on other hand you easily negate batting records in todays era. If batsmen of todays era arent comparable to ones in 90s than bowlers of todays era should be rated quite highly compared to Bowling track bullies of 90s; can't have it bothways.

Some fans no matter what player does in today's era will always be inferior to ones from yesteryear.

Dude Kohli scored 30 centuries in ODI just halfway through his career whereas an ATG Ponting score as many in his entire career.

Does that including failing in 2 WCs and 1 CT in a batting friendly era?

Tendulkar was great no doubt but he failed to close the games on many occassion

He had a weakness so criticize him for that. Who called him the greatest clutch player in the world?

 

[sachin100]

Sif that finals stat is damning for a certified pressure player.

55 versus 17.
Do u call that a contest. He dissapears in finals and icc knock outs

 

[sachin100]

As of now he looks like a slightly superior version of amla that to in bilaterals

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Sif that finals stat is damning for a certified pressure player.

55 versus 17.
Do u call that a contest. He dissapears in finals and icc knock outs

Sorry I made an error.

Average of 22 with SR of 77.

He disappears in the most awful ways.

Got owned by Rubel Hossain in WC QF 2015.
Panicky hook against Johnson WC 2015 SF.
Got out 2 times in 2 balls against Amir in CT 2017 finals.

As of now he looks like a slightly superior version of amla that to in bilaterals

Much better than Amla cos he has uprooted trees in bilaterals playing ridiculous knocks. In ICC tourney, he has scored some important knocks too unlike Amla (like WC 2011 finals 30 odd which was crucial, CT 2013 41, 100 against Pak in 2015 WC). But nothing close to being compared to Viv and SRT yet.

 

[shaz619]

So would it be wise to say that bowlers of today's generations are much better than ones in 90s? Even in bowler friendly wickets they got phainty whereas bowlers of today's era bowling in absolute pattas and yet outbowling greats of 90s?

So,
Starc > Akram.

And without any biased any sane Indian will take Kohli over Tendulkar( Tendulkar fan here) simply because the former actually helps India wins on more occasion than the latter ever did.

Bowlers of this gen have the luxury of bowing at batsman who are out of their depth technically the moment conditions get tough, the tiniest bit of movement and they look like a fish on land

Any sane Indian will take Kohl over Sachini ? did you just say that ?

 

[CanadianG00se]

Bowlers of this gen have the luxury of bowing at batsman who are out of their depth technically the moment conditions get tough, the tiniest bit of movement and they look like a fish on land

Any sane Indian will take Kohl over Sachini ? did you just say that ?

Kohli anyday over Tendulkar. Unlike the former the latter actually finish the game off for India

 

[shaz619]

Kohli anyday over Tendulkar. Unlike the former the latter actually finish the game off for India

Are you a neutral fan or Indian ?

If you're an Indian and you're still picking Kohli, am shocked; have no words. How old are you by the way ?

 

[JaDed]

Sachin played some amazing KO games,ridiculous to think he didn't,Kohli isn't even close to him yet,has done nothing of substance in 2 WCs, Sachin was highest scorer in his second WC,lets not even reach 2003.

Sachin's CT knock against Aus was also amazing,Aus of that era was very diff.

 

[Dingolfy]

As a pure batsman Kohli is nowhere near Tendulkar.Kohli still struggles when there is movement and Sachin smoked ATGs on 90's pitches.
But Kohli is mentally stronger and much fitter.That helps him in this era.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Are you a neutral fan or Indian ?

If you're an Indian and you're still picking Kohli, am shocked; have no words. How old are you by the way ?

Indian and happens to be die HARD TENDULKAR FAN( Being a Mumbaikar myself Tendulkar is proud son of Mumbai)

However you cant deny that Kohli have managed to win many games for India on its own whereas Tendulkar would bring India closed to winning but would choke in end. Tendulkar lack the killer instinct that Kohli have.

Lets keep personal questions out of it. If you have cricket related discussion im open to it. BTW, your hatred for Kohli is well known so Id not expect you to be fair while judging Kohli. You're welcome to disagree with me..

 

[CanadianG00se]

As a pure batsman Kohli is nowhere near Tendulkar.Kohli still struggles when there is movement and Sachin smoked ATGs on 90's pitches.
But Kohli is mentally stronger and much fitter.That helps him in this era.

As a pure batsmen Tendulkar is head and shoulder above Kohli. But to suggest Tendulkar had more impact in outcome is laughable. Kohli have more centuries in chasing than God himself. Like i said, unlike Tendulkar, Kohli manages to win more games for India.

 

[Dingolfy]

As a pure batsmen Tendulkar is head and shoulder above Kohli. But to suggest Tendulkar had more impact in outcome is laughable. Kohli have more centuries in chasing than God himself. Like i said, unlike Tendulkar, Kohli manages to win more games for India.

That is because we have more pattas in this era and have rules favoring batsman.Not a fair comparison.

 

[shaz619]

Indian and happens to be die HARD TENDULKAR FAN( Being a Mumbaikar myself Tendulkar is proud son of Mumbai)

However you cant deny that Kohli have managed to win many games for India on its own whereas Tendulkar would bring India closed to winning but would choke in end. Tendulkar lack the killer instinct that Kohli have.

Lets keep personal questions out of it. If you have cricket related discussion im open to it. BTW, your hatred for Kohli is well known so Id not expect you to be fair while judging Kohli. You're welcome to disagree with me..

So everyone who does not agree with your view is a hater, that's very childish my friend and am highly offended.

I just don't judge a batsman out of context, there needs to be a bit of perspective especially when you're comparing batsman from two distinct era's.

Sachin scored his runs in tougher conditions against better players, in addition he also has played some amazing knocks in high profile 50 over KO games against high calibre bowling attacks unlike Kohli.

 

[Hitman]

As a pure batsmen Tendulkar is head and shoulder above Kohli. But to suggest Tendulkar had more impact in outcome is laughable. Kohli have more centuries in chasing than God himself. Like i said, unlike Tendulkar, Kohli manages to win more games for India.

You didn't reply post # 47 & 48. Or maybe you don't have any?

 

[CanadianG00se]

You didn't reply post # 47 & 48. Or maybe you don't have any?

Pardon my ignorance. Im currentlt using mobile and away in park( enjoying beautiful day in Toronto). Ill reply when im back home but for now im on and off.

 

[sachin100]

Pardon my ignorance. Im currentlt using mobile and away in park( enjoying beautiful day in Toronto). Ill reply when im back home but for now im on and off.

Boss i am a kohli fan myself but he is no where near to tendulkar in icc odi tourneys but i accept kohli is better than sachin in bilaterals that to when chasing.

He is half the player when he is batting first

 

[Ab Fan]

If Kohli wins a 50 over WC by dominating in that WC in terms of runs then he would be on par with Tendulkar and will be on his way to go down as the greatest or second greatest of all time.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Boss i am a kohli fan myself but he is no where near to tendulkar in icc odi tourneys but i accept kohli is better than sachin in bilaterals that to when chasing.

He is half the player when he is batting first

People are confusin my comment when i said Kohli is more impactful for India than Tendulkar. I stand by my comment

First, as pure batsman Tendulkar is far greater than Kohli. Second, Tendulkar as a player had great WC tournaments except when it mattered the most thats finals of WorldCup(choked in both finals). Lastly, Tendulkars centuries mostly came in losing cause where as whenever Kohli scores three figures India wins. Now, take a moment and try to understand what im suggesting. Im clearly pointing out the fact that Tendulkar failed to close out the games for its team and would choke in the end more often than not.

You're welcome to disagree me but i've seen Kohli winning more matches on his own than Tendulkar did in his playing days.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Wut..

In 90, SRT the opener's average in games India lost was 26. In games won, it was 76 with 90 SR.

At the age of 23, SRT carried India's batting and scored in SF too after the pitch had gone real tough.

What did Kohli in comparison?

Choke in 2011 WC. Choke in 2015 WC. Choke in CT 2017 finals. Choke in WI-SL-Ind tri series final. Choke in tons of Asia Cup finals.

Clicked in CT 2013 final ..Will give him that.

Some Indians will pick Kohli. Others will pick Tendu.

Its mixed. But as of now, Kohli had done diddly squat compared to the great Tendu. He is a better pressure player and can potentially overtake him but as of now, all he has done is screw up when the stakes are high.

Tidbit: Tendulkar faced an attack McGrath, Donald, Kumble in an exhibition match in London in 1998 and tore them apart to chase down 260 odd. It's one of his forgotten knocks. Haha.

I remember that knock. Donald bowled fierce even in that match, and when Sachin hit him for 4, he clapped. Later, after a few months, in an interview he mentioned, he never appreciated any batsmen off his own bowling, except for sachin in that match.

 

[Hitman]

Pardon my ignorance. Im currentlt using mobile and away in park( enjoying beautiful day in Toronto). Ill reply when im back home but for now im on and off.

But you have been replying to every other post directed towards you

 

[CanadianG00se]

But you have been replying to every other post directed towards you

I did mentioned im on and off. Unfortunately on mobile web i cant see notifications. So may have missed few post. Although i did replied my detail explanation as to why i rate Kohli over Tendulkar in my last post

 

[sachin100]

People are confusin my comment when i said Kohli is more impactful for India than Tendulkar. I stand by my comment

First, as pure batsman Tendulkar is far greater than Kohli. Second, Tendulkar as a player had great WC tournaments except when it mattered the most thats finals of WorldCup(choked in both finals). Lastly, Tendulkars centuries mostly came in losing cause where as whenever Kohli scores three figures India wins. Now, take a moment and try to understand what im suggesting. Im clearly pointing out the fact that Tendulkar failed to close out the games for its team and would choke in the end more often than not.

You're welcome to disagree me but i've seen Kohli winning more matches on his own than Tendulkar did in his playing days.

Yes u can keep u r runs in bilaterals. They amount to nothing in the final picture.

Do u think kohli is any way near to abd in bilaterals? Even amla has as good a record as virat in bilaterals but u know who will call them atgs?
They r as good as him in bilaterals. The difference may be they r very good in setting up targets and virat is good in chasing that to in subcontinent.

How many hundreds of him came in wins outside of subcontinent? One win against pak in wc.

He has not got a winning hundred against home team outside of subcontinent.

U may be satisfied with bilateral wins in flat pitches but normal people want him to perform at the same level in icc tournaments where he goes missing.

 

[captain.hansolo]

its not like Kohli is walking out knowing that he has Steyn and McGrath in the bowling attack

Most Indian bowlers still end up getting phainty

And Sachin had decent batsmen around him. Azharuddin, Sidhu earlier than Ganguly, Laxman, Dravid etc

Sidhu played very few ODIs with Tendulkar. at the start of his career, leading up to 1996 Tendulkar did partner with Sidhu to open the innings but that was not as stable a combination as Tendulkar Ganguly, or Tendulkar Sehwag would be later in his career.

 

[IndianWillow]

Kohli is already ATG in ODIs even if he retires now. But he cant match Sachin or Viv for the GOAT without pulling off big matches - even if gets 60 ODI hundreds, he is not going to be considered Sachin equal or greater without some big performances in WC knockout or something like that.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Gotta normalize SRT's numbers (average, SR) for this era.

Someone do it please cos I am too lazy to do it.

90s SRT was a far more entertaining bat while Kohli is more clinical.

At least 105