VVS Laxman vs David Warner

[mominsaigol]

David Warner known as the natural successor to Australia's former greatest left handed opener Adam Gilchrist and often regarded as one of the greatest all format openers of all time

Up against VVS Laxman, the iconic crises man of India who has saved India from a rut more times then not in test.

Who is the better batters?

 

[mominsaigol]

Inbefore another Biopic about vvs laxman is made and more pr shows up.

 

[Mamoon]

Laxman isn’t worthy of being Warner’s servant.

A bang average player who couldn’t average above 45 and score 20+ centuries in spite of being a Test specialist.

He is around the same level as Azhar Ali, but the power of Indian fans have projected him as a crisis man and a god under pressure to cover up his inconsistency.

 

[mominsaigol]

Laxman isn’t worthy of being Warner’s servant.

A bang average player who couldn’t average above 45 and score 20+ centuries in spite of being a Test specialist.

He is around the same level as Azhar Ali, but the power of Indian fans have projected him as a crisis man and a god under pressure to cover up his inconsistency.

What's worse their finding excuses for odi. Their constantly claiming Laxman is only a test specialist but then why did he feel the need to play 86 odi's?

In azhar ali case he was forced to captain and eventually retired after ct 2017. Mickey after dropping him from captaincy convinced azhar to play till 2017 otherwise azhar would have stepped down and retired from odi before West indies.

Azhar Ali actually knew not to interfere in whiteball and was done in 2012.

What excuse does Laxman the so called test specialist have for playing 86 odi's yet Indians use the excuse he wasnt made for odi?

Did he play 1 or 2 odi's or did he play 86?

 

[Devadwal]

Warner test average

In NZ - 13
In India - 21
In Sri Lanka - 25
In england -26
In westindies - 26
In pakistan - 33

Among all the cricketers who scored at least 2,000 runs away from home, Warner has the ninth-worst average.

In the last ten years, Warner is the only touring opener who has played more than 10 Tests in England without a single Test ton.

He is also the only one to have played more than five games in India having not scored a hundred in the country. In arguably the two toughest venues for touring sides, Warner has struggled to post runs on the board.

A Total HTB.

 

[Mamoon]

What's worse their finding excuses for odi. Their constantly claiming Laxman is only a test specialist but then why did he feel the need to play 86 odi's?

In azhar ali case he was forced to captain and eventually retired after ct 2017. Mickey after dropping him from captaincy convinced azhar to play till 2017 otherwise azhar would have stepped down and retired from odi before West indies.

Azhar Ali actually knew not to interfere in whiteball and was done in 2012.

What excuse does Laxman the so called test specialist have for playing 86 odi's yet Indians use the excuse he wasnt made for odi?

Did he play 1 or 2 odi's or did he play 86?

Every Indian player is glorified and glamorized more than they deserve to. That’s the power of the biggest fan base that controls all the stories and narratives.

If you are an average Indian cricketer you are rated as a very good one, and if you are a great Indian cricketer you become an untouchable god.

Tendulkar, Kohli, Dhoni, Bumrah, Ashwin, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Kumble, Rohit etc. none of these are as good as they are made out to be. The world has seen several better players than them and will continue to do so.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Every Indian player is glorified and glamorized more than they deserve to. That’s the power of the biggest fan base that controls all the stories and narratives.

If you are an average Indian cricketer you are rated as a very good one, and if you are a great Indian cricketer you become an untouchable god.

Tendulkar, Kohli, Dhoni, Bumrah, Ashwin, Yuvraj, Sehwag, Kumble, Rohit etc. none of these are as good as they are made out to be. The world has seen several better players than them and will continue to do so.

But you have posters of them all over your room.

 

[Vikram1989]

Warner did nothing much post sand paper gate too for almost 5 years.he never improved against spin/swing for almost 14 years. He is the definition of ftb,htb.average of nothing in the places where there is a good attack or assistance for bowlers even after playing for years. He outgunned entire opposition is a big myth with his average of 13,25,26 ish .

 

[Devadwal]

Warner did nothing much post sand paper gate too for almost 5 years.he never improved against spin/swing for almost 14 years. He is the definition of ftb,htb.average of nothing in the places where there is a good attack or assistance for bowlers even after playing for years. He outgunned entire opposition is a big myth with his average of 13,25,26 ish .

I already exposed This fraud Warner. He is basically biggest Home track bully who scored above 8000 + test runs.

 

[Vikram1989]

Inbefore another Biopic about vvs laxman is made and more pr shows up.

There will.be never a biopic on him .he and dravid never warranted publicity and they will lie low forever.That guy even took a cut in his marquee price in ipl 2008 to acquire gilly,symonds at his deducted rate.no body knows know that till there was a controversy about his marquee player tag.

 

[Mamoon]

But you have posters of them all over your room.

I don’t want to ruin the aesthetics of my room. However, I wouldn’t mind using their faces on a dart board for my kid.

 

[mominsaigol]

Here's what I find hilarious.

Imagine comparing a so called test specialist, I fact imagine calling someone a test specialist to cover up for their lack of 86 odi performances

And using that as an excuse to put them > Warner when Warner has to divide his time between all 3 formats?

Whereas the so called test specialist has just 1 higher avg, bit lower sr, lower high scores and lower performances in general to Warner.

Infact Laxman is called the crises man to hide his awful performances

 

[RyanRyan10]

I don’t want to ruin the aesthetics of my room. However, I wouldn’t mind using their faces on a dart board for my kid.

Fair enough! But maybe those player's presence might just guide your kid's aim towards sporting excellence, who would be fed up with your perpetual negativity.

 

[Vikram1989]

Some more stats proving him as htb,ftb.
His probability of failure is ridiculous for an opener

David Warner is Australia's most prolific Test opener, but there's one major caveat around his status as a great of the game

David Warner's Test career was prolific, exciting and unique. Now that it's over, properly assessing his standing in the pantheon of Australian cricket is a challenge, writes Jon Healy.

www.abc.net.au

 

[mominsaigol]

I already exposed This fraud Warner. He is basically biggest Home track bully who scored above 8000 + test runs.

Right, what about Laxman who averages Shan Masood 28 at opening in test?

Now I see why you like rizwan, both you and @Ahmed216

you are obsessed with fraud players who need to hide behind others and have an entire team accomdoate thek to function.

 

[mominsaigol]

Some more stats proving him as htb,ftb.
His probability of failure is ridiculous for an opener

David Warner is Australia's most prolific Test opener, but there's one major caveat around his status as a great of the game

David Warner's Test career was prolific, exciting and unique. Now that it's over, properly assessing his standing in the pantheon of Australian cricket is a challenge, writes Jon Healy.

www.abc.net.au

What's laxman's performance in odi? I made this thread? And this thread talks about all formats not test only.

Infact what the excuse for laxman as test opener?

Go on don't be shy? Don't try these biased cover ups with me

 

[Vikram1989]

Right, what about Laxman who averages Shan Masood 28 at opening in test?

Now I see why you like rizwan, both you and @Ahmed216

you are obsessed with fraud players who need to hide behind others and have an entire team accomdoate thek to function.

He is not an opener and he was forced to open as middle order was packed with azhar,sachin,ganguly,dravid. He himself wrote to selection committee not to consider him as an opener.

 

[Vikram1989]

What's laxman's performance in odi? I made this thread? And this thread talks about all formats not test only.

Infact what the excuse for laxman as test opener?

Go on don't be shy? Don't try these biased cover ups with me

So we were comparing laxman and Warner for test matches in other thread. U brought odis here to justify urself

 

[Devadwal]

Now as usual changing the goalpost.

Laxman is never a odi player's so this comparison only for test.

No one from india even consider Laxman for odi.

EXPOSED

 

[Ahmed216]

Right, what about Laxman who averages Shan Masood 28 at opening in test?

Now I see why you like rizwan, both you and @Ahmed216

you are obsessed with fraud players who need to hide behind others and have an entire team accomdoate thek to function.

Well that's your take on it I can't help it. Rizzy is ATG Pak wk who's excelled in away conditions.

 

[Devadwal]

So we were comparing laxman and Warner for test matches in other thread. U brought odis here to justify urself

Bro why you even discussed with him. This thread about test but suddenly ODI came In discussion.

 

[mominsaigol]

There will.be never a biopic on him .he and dravid never warranted publicity and they will lie low forever.That guy even took a cut in his marquee price in ipl 2008 to acquire gilly,symonds at his deducted rate.no body knows know that till there was a controversy about his marquee player tag.

That was sarcasm, ik a biopic won't be made and a Dhoni one shouldn't have been made either.

The only Indian cricketers who deserve biopics are Sachin.

Kohli can be a great biopic due to his connections with bollywood, However only if his biopic is realistic like showing how he was a chubby kid, bit worked hard to develop a gold fitness regime

As well as his struggles in 2012 before his England comeback where articles were made on how he might be dropped before his revolutionary 2014-2016 stage.

His insane troubles in cups until finally getting that 2024 trophy.

But Ik bollywood and what they'll do is that they'll lie through their teeth and turn kohli into bramdman butchering every team, having the perfect fitness and perfect lifestyle but will probably make up some fake suicide story of his imaginary lover and some nonsense conflict with his father just to show some drama when in reality nothing of the sort ever occurred.

 

[mominsaigol]

Now as usual changing the goalpost.

Laxman is never a odi player's so this comparison only for test.

No one from india even consider Laxman for odi.

EXPOSED

And yet the fraud felt the need to play 86 games unlike root and khawaja who respectfully stepped down?

 

[mominsaigol]

Well that's your take on it I can't help it. Rizzy is ATG Pak wk who's excelled in away conditions.

I butchered this argument into oblivion. Not my fault you can't accept it

 

[Devadwal]

Warner test average

In NZ - 13
In India - 21
In Sri Lanka - 25
In england -26
In westindies - 26
In pakistan - 33

Among all the cricketers who scored at least 2,000 runs away from home, Warner has the ninth-worst average.

In the last ten years, Warner is the only touring opener who has played more than 10 Tests in England without a single Test ton.

He is also the only one to have played more than five games in India having not scored a hundred in the country. In arguably the two toughest venues for touring sides, Warner has struggled to post runs on the board.

A Total HTB.

Anyone take on this Fraud stats??

I have not seen any players from past 20 year who is biggest fraud/ HTB than Warner in test cricket.

Exposed

 

[mominsaigol]

He is not an opener and he was forced to open as middle order was packed with azhar,sachin,ganguly,dravid. He himself wrote to selection committee not to consider him as an opener.

No one forced him to open. Not a single person forced him to open. The truth was he wasn't good enough for the middle order bit India dis their best to try to get him to work.

The fact he wrote to the committee shows how much of a fraud he is, not doing what's right for the team.

He got his ladla positions, and his fans finding calculus level excuses to justify how he's only test boy to make up for his odi failures and how his stats are reflective because he's a crises man or how opening didn't suit him .

 

[mominsaigol]

Anyone take on this Fraud stats??

I have not seen any players from past 20 year who is biggest fraud/ HTB than Warner in test cricket.

Exposed

Explain Laxman's fraud stats at opening where he proudfully jumped to open and explain his fraud odi endeavours that the indian media overglorified

 

[RyanRyan10]

No one forced him to open. Not a single person forced him to open. The truth was he wasn't good enough for the middle order bit India dis their best to try to get him to work.

The fact he wrote to the committee shows how much of a fraud he is, not doing what's right for the team.

He got his ladla positions, and his fans finding calculus level excuses to justify how he's only test boy to make up for his odi failures and how his stats are reflective because he's a crises man or how opening didn't suit him .

When the argument was on test cricket then why you included Odis and T20Is? You are botching too much nowadays.

 

[mominsaigol]

So we were comparing laxman and Warner for test matches in other thread. U brought odis here to justify urself

You requested this thread, I created it.

Not my problem. Talk about warmer vs Laxman plain and simple.

Their is no filters, no only this, or only this conditon and that.

Laxman vs Warner plain and simple it's in the name, every card on the table. Go

 

[Ahmed216]

Laxman the test batsman was superior to Warner no doubt about it.

The beauty of Test cricket is that it is played in different conditions around the world and the player who excels in all the conditions, you can call him great.

Warner could only play at home but Laxman could play bounce, spin, swing and seam.

Laxman was a brilliant player in difficult situations and he played perhaps greatest innings till date in crisis, against Australia.
His 281 will be remembered for eternity.

 

[Ahmed216]

I butchered this argument into oblivion. Not my fault you can't accept it

That's wishful thinking on your part I am afraid

 

[mominsaigol]

When the argument was on test cricket then why you included Odis and T20Is? You are botching too much nowadays.

I'm including plain and simple. What's the issue? Say the words on odi rather then coming up with excuses.

Nothing happens until I hear people say it.

Then we discuss their test woes and how fraudulent it is to compare a so called test specialist and a faiked test opener to a player who's attention is divided in all formats.

 

[Ahmed216]

And yet the fraud felt the need to play 86 games unlike root and khawaja who respectfully stepped down?

Laxman was not a fraud. He was a gentleman, an honest trier and great ambassador of the game.

Not his fault that selectors kept picking him hoping he would replicate his test performances in shorter format.

 

[mominsaigol]

Laxman was not a fraud. He was a gentleman, an honest trier and great ambassador of the game.

Not his fault that selectors kept picking him hoping he would replicate his test performances in shorter format.

Root had no issue stepping down. Azhar Ali stepped down in 2012, was forced by misbah first and then mickey to stay till 2017. Khawaja stepped down. Granted for root it was selfish to come back for 2023 wc.

If laxman was an honest trier and knew what was best for his country, he'd have know to retire from odi rather then burdening the country with his filth.

 

[Devadwal]

Explain Laxman's fraud stats at opening where he proudfully jumped to open and explain his fraud odi endeavours that the indian media overglorified

I already told maybe mod deleted the post , I'll now disscus with you anymore as i think you're not worthy for me to discuss anything.

 

[mominsaigol]

I already told maybe mod deleted the post , I'll now disscus with you anymore as i think you're not worthy for me to discuss anything.

Yet you feel the need to indirectly quote me 24/7? You can either discuss with me or pretend I don't exist.

Theirs no Inbetween. Take a stance.

 

[Ahmed216]

Laxman ,Lara, Dravid, Shane Bond.

Huge respect for these names they took on the might of peak Australia and dominated them

 

[Devadwal]

Laxman was not a fraud. He was a gentleman, an honest trier and great ambassador of the game.

Not his fault that selectors kept picking him hoping he would replicate his test performances in shorter format.

And Warner was a biggest cheater and main architect of sandpaper gate.

Comparing HTB warner to laxman is insult of true gentleman like Laxman .

 

[mominsaigol]

Laxman ,Lara, Dravid, Shane Bond.

Huge respect for these names they took on the might of peak Australia and dominated them

I'm only liking this post because it has Lara and Shane Bond mentioned.

Laxman is clownworthy

 

[mominsaigol]

And Warner was a biggest cheater and main architect of sandpaper gate.

Comparing HTB warner to laxman is insult of true gentleman like Laxman .

Warner never cheated, That is total bull concocted by the bcci run icc media that were too afraid of Warner and needed to find ways to get rid of him for a year.

India was too afraid of Australia and always has been.

 

[Vikram1989]

Bro why you even discussed with him. This thread about test but suddenly ODI came In discussion.

Now a days his standard mode of operation is any xyz from aussie is great when compared to Indian and saying Warner, the biggest ftb of all time ,as a better test batsmen in other thread is beyond ridiculous

 

[mominsaigol]

I am done feeding Indian ego's. I was willing to lie and slide the whole sandpaper thing because Indians needed some justification but this too far.

Imagine comparing a someone who ran away from opening, Raw away from odi and claiming their above the natural successor to Warner and then calling Warner a Cheater.

You have Azhar clowning around, getting banned and still getting positions in bcci after his disgrace yet have the audacity to call Warner a cheat?

 

[RyanRyan10]

I'm only liking this post because it has Lara and Shane Bond mentioned.

Laxman is clownworthy

check what Steve Waugh said about the guy whom you are addressing as clownworthy

 

[mominsaigol]

check what Steve Waugh said about the guy whom you are addressing as clownworthy

Calling him clownworthy compared to Warner.

Not to myself or as a player. He's a guy who achieved more then I can in life. I'd be a hypocrite if I said he's clownworthy compared to me or in general.

But to Warner yes, he's clownworthy the gap is too high

 

[mominsaigol]

Now a days his standard mode of operation is any xyz from aussie is great when compared to Indian and saying Warner, the biggest ftb of all time ,as a better test batsmen in other thread is beyond ridiculous

How is it beyond ridiculous? Have laxman open and perform in all conditons and then we'll talk.

Warner would be consistent in test even in the middle order, 100%.

 

[RyanRyan10]

I am done feeding Indian ego's. I was willing to lie and slide the whole sandpaper thing because Indians needed some justification but this too far.

Imagine comparing a someone who ran away from opening, Raw away from odi and claiming their above the natural successor to Warner and then calling Warner a Cheater.

You have Azhar clowning around, getting banned and still getting positions in bcci after his disgrace yet have the audacity to call Warner a cheat?

Azhar is a cheat, and there's no reason to shy away from pointing that out. Him acquiring position in administration does reflect negatively on our cricket. That said, it doesn't change the fact that Warner too is a cheat.

 

[Ab Fan]

VVS is a better test batsman of the two.

 

[Mamoon]

Fair enough! But maybe those player's presence might just guide your kid's aim towards sporting excellence, who would be fed up with your perpetual negativity.

10 years of failure to win a trophy in spite of controlling and influencing each and every aspect of the sport is not sporting excellence. I would want my kid to be in spired by actual sporting heroes, not entitled brats who underachieved.

 

[Local.Dada]

Is there a sarcasm/ inside- joke I am missing here?

A right hand middle order test specialist known for iconic test innings vs

a left handed opener who started of as a white ball specialist and probably will be known more for his white ball exploits.

Can someone explain?

 

[mominsaigol]

Azhar is a cheat, and there's no reason to shy away from pointing that out. Him acquiring position in administration does reflect negatively on our cricket. That said, it doesn't change the fact that Warner too is a cheat.

The 2018 ball tampering incidents are fair, but I'm getting very very annoyed about Indians constantly bringing that up, hence you'll get such responses?

Seriously what is the matter with you lot on being so hypocritical at times? I'm not referring to you, but to the people I've interacted with?

What's the purpose of telling me that I am creating fantasies with zero proof when you've created fantasies with million dollar movie budgets? For me its im a liar, but for the rest its taking creative liberties?

What's the purpose of calling me a wannabe who doesn't stay true to my origin? What's that gotta do with anything? What? You wish to stay true to your origin? The origin of vanishing 2hrs before a game ends?

What's the purpose of calling certain players cheaters to undermine them when Azhar sahib has another trash biopic trying desperately to justify his actions and wipe the sins of his crimes and bans?

What's the purpose of consistently reminding me of Sachin being some folklore? When did I ever say Sachin was bad? I've labelled him the greatest odi player ever and the top 5 greatest test players? What more do you people want? I simply asked why a so called God who's complete got turned into a human against mcgrath? All I asked is to not turn him into a folklore as I find it insulting and frankly even Sachin would?

What's the purpose of Not admitting that steve smith is superior to Kohli in test? I've outright admitted kohli is > Smith in odi and t20? What's your taqleef?

Similarly I firmly firmly believe that India shpuod not have lost 2023 after controlling every aspect of the tournament bit India fans can't handle it? And are making calculus level excuses as to how it was unfair? And unjust and making toss excuses?

Then to top it off, I firmly firmly believe India is the 2nd worst team to play a final post Dhoni era and they are welcome to prove me wrong for the next 3 years?

I firmly believe Warner is superior to Laxman in test and that laxman is overrated beyond belief? Is it blasphemy?

What about hypocritically calling afridi an overglorificatiom? Indian posters are the last people who should be claiming overglorification.

What's the purpose of complaining that I never talk about Australia even though I claimed that their aren't many aussie threads, and now when I'm representing Australia you guys can't stand it? Deapite asking for it and asking for more topics?

^^ Do you see what I have to frequently deal with?

 

[mominsaigol]

Now a days his standard mode of operation is any xyz from aussie is great when compared to Indian and saying Warner, the biggest ftb of all time ,as a better test batsmen in other thread is beyond ridiculous

I firmly firmly firmly believe that whoever India had produced, Australia has produced one better.

What is wrong with that?

 

[anikrc1]

The 2018 ball tampering incidents are fair, but I'm getting very very annoyed about Indians constantly bringing that up, hence you'll get such responses?

Seriously what is the matter with you lot on being so hypocritical at times? I'm not referring to you, but to the people I've interacted with?

What's the purpose of telling me that I am creating fantasies with zero proof when you've created fantasies with million dollar movie budgets? For me its im a liar, but for the rest its taking creative liberties?

What's the purpose of calling me a wannabe who doesn't stay true to my origin? What's that gotta do with anything? What? You wish to stay true to your origin? The origin of vanishing 2hrs before a game ends?

What's the purpose of calling certain players cheaters to undermine them when Azhar sahib has another trash biopic trying desperately to justify his actions and wipe the sins of his crimes and bans?

What's the purpose of consistently reminding me of Sachin being some folklore? When did I ever say Sachin was bad? I've labelled him the greatest odi player ever and the top 5 greatest test players? What more do you people want? I simply asked why a so called God who's complete got turned into a human against mcgrath? All I asked is to not turn him into a folklore as I find it insulting and frankly even Sachin would?

What's the purpose of Not admitting that steve smith is superior to Kohli in test? I've outright admitted kohli is > Smith in odi and t20? What's your taqleef?

Similarly I firmly firmly believe that India shpuod not have lost 2023 after controlling every aspect of the tournament bit India fans can't handle it? And are making calculus level excuses as to how it was unfair? And unjust and making toss excuses?

Then to top it off, I firmly firmly believe India is the 2nd worst team to play a final post Dhoni era and they are welcome to prove me wrong for the next 3 years?

I firmly believe Warner is superior to Laxman in test and that laxman is overrated beyond belief? Is it blasphemy?

What about hypocritically calling afridi an overglorificatiom? Indian posters are the last people who should be claiming overglorification.

What's the purpose of complaining that I never talk about Australia even though I claimed that their aren't many aussie threads, and now when I'm representing Australia you guys can't stand it? Deapite asking for it and asking for more topics?

^^ Do you see what I have to frequently deal with?

Azharuddin for all his fault was the most stylish player ever probably to play the game. Not only his batting, but as a test fielder probably only Mark Waugh was better than him. Him at his tabeez hanging, collar raising mood was a sight to see who used his bat as a magic wand.

 

[mominsaigol]

Azharuddin for all his fault was the most stylish player ever probably to play the game. Not only his batting, but as a test fielder probably only Mark Waugh was better than him. Him at his tabeez hanging, collar raising mood was a sight to see who used his bat as a magic wand.

Doesn't change the fact that he's a bigger fixer then smith and Warner could ever be.

 

[mominsaigol]

Laxman is such a goat test player honestly.

A fantastic player who players under clutch. Him along with ijaz Ahmed really were crises man but unlike ijaz Indians feel the need to overglorify.

It hurts me so much to trash all over Laxman simply because Indians believe he's a god ampung men and superior to every single aussie player ever.

Constant excuses ro justify his odi failures whereas Laxman himself would outright admit he sucked in odi and ahould have retired from the format,

Constant excuses to justify his inconsistency test whereas the real laxman would have wished he was more consistent and got more wins for his country,

All so they can trash on Warner a player who is obviously superior to Laxman in ever which way.

Actually scratch that, I'm not even trashing laxman, It's Indian fans who are mocking their own players with folklore narratives.

Their own fans can't figure out how to accurately represent their player base.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Laxman is such a goat test player honestly.

A fantastic player who players under clutch. Him along with ijaz Ahmed really were crises man but unlike ijaz Indians feel the need to overglorify.

It hurts me so much to trash all over Laxman simply because Indians believe he's a god ampung men and superior to every single aussie player ever.

Constant excuses ro justify his odi failures whereas Laxman himself would outright admit he sucked in odi and ahould have retired from the format,

Constant excuses to justify his inconsistency test whereas the real laxman would have wished he was more consistent and got more wins for his country,

All so they can trash on Warner a player who is obviously superior to Laxman in ever which way.

Actually scratch that, I'm not even trashing laxman, It's Indian fans who are mocking their own players with folklore narratives.

Their own fans can't figure out how to accurately represent their player base.

No one ever called Laxman a God or better than any Australian ever.

Is the forum paying you for these idiotic threads or is it just your ego that is hurt?

Laxman is two level above Izaz as a batsman so obviously he will be hyped more.

Anyways, its my last post gere replying to idiotic threads, you are just intellectually dishonest, can’t argue with someone like that.

FTR, Laxman is a better test player than Warner and that’s not changing, even international forums put Laxman above Warner who was a FTB.

 

[mominsaigol]

No one ever called Laxman a God or better than any Australian ever.

Is the forum paying you for these idiotic threads or is it just your ego that is hurt?

Laxman is two level above Izaz as a batsman so obviously he will be hyped more.

Anyways, its my last post gere replying to idiotic threads, you are just intellectually dishonest, can’t argue with someone like that.

FTR, Laxman is a better test player than Warner and that’s not changing, even international forums put Laxman above Warner who was a FTB.

Wait I'm intellectually dishonest but Indians are truthful about their cricketing biopics?

And yes please run away, it's in your blood as seen in the final when you ran away 2hrs before the game concluded

 

[sweep_shot]

Warner wins easily.

Far more impactful.

 

[RyanRyan10]

The 2018 ball tampering incidents are fair, but I'm getting very very annoyed about Indians constantly bringing that up, hence you'll get such responses?

Seriously what is the matter with you lot on being so hypocritical at times? I'm not referring to you, but to the people I've interacted with?

What's the purpose of telling me that I am creating fantasies with zero proof when you've created fantasies with million dollar movie budgets? For me its im a liar, but for the rest its taking creative liberties?

What's the purpose of calling me a wannabe who doesn't stay true to my origin? What's that gotta do with anything? What? You wish to stay true to your origin? The origin of vanishing 2hrs before a game ends?

What's the purpose of calling certain players cheaters to undermine them when Azhar sahib has another trash biopic trying desperately to justify his actions and wipe the sins of his crimes and bans?

What's the purpose of consistently reminding me of Sachin being some folklore? When did I ever say Sachin was bad? I've labelled him the greatest odi player ever and the top 5 greatest test players? What more do you people want? I simply asked why a so called God who's complete got turned into a human against mcgrath? All I asked is to not turn him into a folklore as I find it insulting and frankly even Sachin would?

What's the purpose of Not admitting that steve smith is superior to Kohli in test? I've outright admitted kohli is > Smith in odi and t20? What's your taqleef?

Similarly I firmly firmly believe that India shpuod not have lost 2023 after controlling every aspect of the tournament bit India fans can't handle it? And are making calculus level excuses as to how it was unfair? And unjust and making toss excuses?

Then to top it off, I firmly firmly believe India is the 2nd worst team to play a final post Dhoni era and they are welcome to prove me wrong for the next 3 years?

I firmly believe Warner is superior to Laxman in test and that laxman is overrated beyond belief? Is it blasphemy?

What about hypocritically calling afridi an overglorificatiom? Indian posters are the last people who should be claiming overglorification.

What's the purpose of complaining that I never talk about Australia even though I claimed that their aren't many aussie threads, and now when I'm representing Australia you guys can't stand it? Deapite asking for it and asking for more topics?

^^ Do you see what I have to frequently deal with?

Firstly, I didn't imply that you were pretending to be an Australian supporter. Secondly, it is unfair to generalize Indian fans. You haven't seen the criticism that these glorified players receive. The team is frequently scrutinized. Thirdly, Laxman isn't talked among casual cricket fans. Only cricket nerds talk about him, which means he is actually underrated. In fact, this is the first time I've heard someone refer to him as overrated.


Over the last few days, you have been repeatedly accusing people of making claims they didn't make. I have witnessed this thrice in the last three days.


In the other thread, you asserted that Starc is better than Bumrah but failed to support your argument. Furthermore, you tried to imply that Indian fans might take offense to your statements about McGrath being better, despite the fact that McGrath was mentioned GOAT pacer by some Indian fans on the same thread.


I am yet to encounter an Indian fan who feels that India has achieved more than Australia in cricket or produced superior players. However, you have already formed a strong opinion about it. Bhai sab thik to hai na?

 

[mominsaigol]

Firstly, I didn't imply that you were pretending to be an Australian supporter. Secondly, it is unfair to generalize Indian fans. You haven't seen the criticism that these glorified players receive. The team is frequently scrutinized. Thirdly, Laxman isn't talked among casual cricket fans. Only cricket nerds talk about him, which means he is actually underrated. In fact, this is the first time I've heard someone refer to him as overrated.


Over the last few days, you have been repeatedly accusing people of making claims they didn't make. I have witnessed this thrice in the last three days.


In the other thread, you asserted that Starc is better than Bumrah but failed to support your argument. Furthermore, you tried to imply that Indian fans might take offense to your statements about McGrath being better, despite the fact that McGrath was mentioned GOAT pacer by some Indian fans on the same thread.


I am yet to encounter an Indian fan who feels that India has achieved more than Australia in cricket or produced superior players. However, you have already formed a strong opinion about it. Bhai sab thik to hai na?

Firstly, I didn't imply that you were pretending to be an Australian supporter. Secondly, it is unfair to generalize Indian fans. You haven't seen the criticism that these glorified players receive. The team is frequently scrutinized. Thirdly, Laxman isn't talked among casual cricket fans. Only cricket nerds talk about him, which means he is actually underrated. In fact, this is the first time I've heard someone refer to him as overrated.

He is massively underrated. Hes a solid crises man and one of the best test players of all time? But their people who have the need to put him above certain aussie players when it isn't true. Warner's left foot is superior to laxman in any and evrry format. Test is the only format where it's debatable but Warner is far far more impactful even if he isn't as consistent and why should he be? He's a left handed opener who's goals are shifted in all formats? That doesn't mean laxman is superior and Indians need to settle themselves down.

Over the last few days, you have been repeatedly accusing people of making claims they didn't make. I have witnessed this thrice in the last three days.

No i haven't

In the other thread, you asserted that Starc is better than Bumrah but failed to support your argument. Furthermore, you tried to imply that Indian fans might take offense to your statements about McGrath being better, despite the fact that McGrath was mentioned GOAT pacer by some Indian fans on the same thread.

No I didnt, Bumrah is > Stark even 2015 stark, but only bumrah 2023 and onwards. Current 2023-2024 Bumrah > Prime stark > 2017-2021 bumrah > Current stark. I never fail to support any arguments and people need to stop pretending that I'm making arguments when certain people are lying.

I am yet to encounter an Indian fan who feels that India has achieved more than Australia in cricket or produced superior players. However, you have already formed a strong opinion about it. Bhai sab thik to hai na?

Everything is fine, im just sick of dishonesty and high five ganging. I supported this lot at one point because I thought the criticism about them from Misbah fans was beyond silly. And they all seemed a nice respectful bunch, but everyone shows their true colors eventually.

aus vs India Dr bassim thread happened and the rest is history. Not all of them ofcourse, but the guilty party who hurt me, I have made it my duty to show these people the truth not just about cricket but also showing them who they are and the mirror that they must look at before telling me or educating me about myself or their views.

 

[Buffet]

In Test:

VVS >> Warner

In ODI:

Warner >>> VVS

 

[mominsaigol]

Firstly, I didn't imply that you were pretending to be an Australian supporter. Secondly, it is unfair to generalize Indian fans. You haven't seen the criticism that these glorified players receive. The team is frequently scrutinized. Thirdly, Laxman isn't talked among casual cricket fans. Only cricket nerds talk about him, which means he is actually underrated. In fact, this is the first time I've heard someone refer to him as overrated.

He is massively underrated. Hes a solid crises man and one of the best test players of all time? But their people who have the need to put him above certain aussie players when it isn't true. Warner's left foot is superior to laxman in any and evrry format. Test is the only format where it's debatable but Warner is far far more impactful even if he isn't as consistent and why should he be? He's a left handed opener who's goals are shifted in all formats? That doesn't mean laxman is superior and Indians need to settle themselves down.

Over the last few days, you have been repeatedly accusing people of making claims they didn't make. I have witnessed this thrice in the last three days.

No i haven't

In the other thread, you asserted that Starc is better than Bumrah but failed to support your argument. Furthermore, you tried to imply that Indian fans might take offense to your statements about McGrath being better, despite the fact that McGrath was mentioned GOAT pacer by some Indian fans on the same thread.

No I didnt, Bumrah is > Stark even 2015 stark, but only bumrah 2023 and onwards. Current 2023-2024 Bumrah > Prime stark > 2017-2021 bumrah > Current stark. I never fail to support any arguments and people need to stop pretending that I'm making arguments when certain people are lying.

I am yet to encounter an Indian fan who feels that India has achieved more than Australia in cricket or produced superior players. However, you have already formed a strong opinion about it. Bhai sab thik to hai na?

Everything is fine, im just sick of dishonesty and high five ganging. I supported this lot at one point because I thought the criticism about them from Misbah fans was beyond silly. And they all seemed a nice respectful bunch, but everyone shows their true colors eventually.

aus vs India Dr bassim thread happened and the rest is history. Not all of them ofcourse, but the guilty party who hurt me, I have made it my duty to show these people the truth not just about cricket but also showing them who they are and the mirror that they must look at before telling me or educating me about myself or their views.

What I don't understand is the need to turn an underrated cricketer and imply they scale > a fairly rated cricketer?

Or the idea of putting Kohli in a thread about Warner, Gayle, KP and de villers? Did an non Indian all format representative hurt people that much?

 

[mominsaigol]

In Test:

VVS >> Warner

In ODI:

Warner >>> VVS

Their far closer in test then people think.

Warner isn't as a good in all conditons but atleast he opens unlike VVS who averages 28 at opening.. and when he does perform he ensures a victory.

Crises man is excellent under pressure but he has Botched innings as well.

He's more consistent then Warner in all playing conditons, but he is nowhere near as impactful or a game changer in test that warmer is when he performs.

In odi no contest, Warner slaps.

 

[Mamoon]

A 45 averaging “Test specialist” cannot be underrated. He can only be overrated.

It is also important to note that India used to produce a lot of flat wickets at home during his era, it is only in the last 10 years to that they have moved towards producing extreme turners.

Laxman was actually lucky to play in the 2000s and retire around 2012. Had he played 2015 onwards, he would have averaged in the 30s like Rahane.

An average batsman by all means. This “crisis man” narrative is total bull.

 

[mominsaigol]

A 45 averaging “Test specialist” cannot be underrated. He can only be overrated.

It is also important to note that India used to produce a lot of flat wickets at home during his era, it is only in the last 10 years to that they have moved towards producing extreme turners.

Laxman was actually lucky to play in the 2000s and retire around 2012. Had he played 2015 onwards, he would have averaged in the 30s like Rahane.

An average batsman by all means. This “crisis man” narrative is total bull.

Tbf he has good performances and is consistent overseas to a certain extent.

But yes, the crises man narrative Is a shameless coverup to justify a medicore player who produced only a certain no of memorable knocks.

 

[Devadwal]

In Test:

VVS >> Warner

In ODI:

Warner >>> VVS

Nobody even think laxman was a ODi batter that's why he did not Play any world cup and this thread is all about test cricket .

In test cricket one is Total HTB and its not even comparison .

 

[mominsaigol]

Nobody even think laxman was a ODi batter that's why he did not Play any world cup and this thread is all about test cricket .

In test cricket one is Total HTB and its not even comparison .

What's wrong with being a home track bully? I dont see laxman being one

 

[jnaveen1980]

Their far closer in test then people think.

Warner isn't as a good in all conditons but atleast he opens unlike VVS who averages 28 at opening.. and when he does perform he ensures a victory.

Crises man is excellent under pressure but he has Botched innings as well.

He's more consistent then Warner in all playing conditons, but he is nowhere near as impactful or a game changer in test that warmer is when he performs.

In odi no contest, Warner slaps.

Stockholm syndrome? lol Warner has butchered Pakistan endlessly so much so his retirement was celebrated in Pakistan. Averaging 73 with a strike rate of 73 against Pakistan.Warner turned to tests on the advice of Sehwag. Had a semi decent career. Good batsman on roads. Other than that he is no Laxman.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Laxman vs Warner
Laxman vs Misbah
i am expecting
Laxman vs Babar soon

I thought i was responding to Laxman vs Misbah thread lol If i had notice if it was Warner vs Laxman i would not have posted anything. Because it is a totally absurd comparison. One is an opener. other one is a middle order batsman. Roles were different

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Can't directly compare two different players with two different styles who batted in different positions.

Both are overrated to an extent.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Over the last few days, you have been repeatedly accusing people of making claims they didn't make. I have witnessed this thrice in the last three days.

No i haven't

If everything clicks Shan Masood, Saud Shakeel, Saim Ayub, Babar Azam can usher in the Fab 4 era for Pakistan

Shan Masood has failed to inspire the Fab 4. He should be kicked out and replaced with Huraira and Bobby should be the leader.

ppforum.pakpassion.net

^^

Here you claimed that Dewadwal believes Rizwan > Smith in tests, which he didn't.

Thankfully we don't have to play India in Test cricket

This is next level filtering. I understand someone Indian fans acting arrogant might have angered you but that's a bit Mamoon-esque Mamoon acts like Indian team is a minnow and an average team. I don't. I acknowledge that their a world class team and the best team in the world. But any Indian...

ppforum.pakpassion.net

^^
Here you claimed that Dewadwal believes India is way ahead of Australia, which he denied.

Now on this thread, you started comparing two players on all formats when Vikram was comparing them only on tests.

I don't know what happened on DrBassim thread.
There is no justification for your behavior. Secondly, I am not associated with any particular "group" on this forum. I only know one person on here personally, and he isn't much active here. As a matter of fact, I have engaged with you more than most posters. There was even a time when I advised an Indian member not to stereotype you.

But it seems you have already formed a predetermined opinion about certain individuals, and you are creating claims that weren't actually made by them. Or perhaps you are baiting to provoke a reaction, akin to our Doctor from Peshawar. Anyways, I won't engage with you on this thread unless you post something which is actually related to cricket.

 

[mominsaigol]

If everything clicks Shan Masood, Saud Shakeel, Saim Ayub, Babar Azam can usher in the Fab 4 era for Pakistan

Shan Masood has failed to inspire the Fab 4. He should be kicked out and replaced with Huraira and Bobby should be the leader.

ppforum.pakpassion.net

^^

Here you claimed that Dewadwal believes Rizwan > Smith in tests, which he didn't.

Thankfully we don't have to play India in Test cricket

This is next level filtering. I understand someone Indian fans acting arrogant might have angered you but that's a bit Mamoon-esque Mamoon acts like Indian team is a minnow and an average team. I don't. I acknowledge that their a world class team and the best team in the world. But any Indian...

ppforum.pakpassion.net

^^
Here you claimed that Dewadwal believes India is way ahead of Australia, which he denied.

Now on this thread, you started comparing two players on all formats when Vikram was comparing them only on tests.

I don't know what happened on DrBassim thread.
There is no justification for your behavior. Secondly, I am not associated with any particular "group" on this forum. I only know one person on here personally, and he isn't much active here. As a matter of fact, I have engaged with you more than most posters. There was even a time when I advised an Indian member not to stereotype you.

But it seems you have already formed a predetermined opinion about certain individuals, and you are creating claims that weren't actually made by them. Or perhaps you are baiting to provoke a reaction, akin to our Doctor from Peshawar. Anyways, I won't engage with you on this thread unless you post something which is actually related to cricket.

I don't have any beef with you either so what's the issue? I haven't put you in anything.

I've given my reasons for certain things.

 

[mominsaigol]

Stockholm syndrome? lol Warner has butchered Pakistan endlessly so much so his retirement was celebrated in Pakistan. Averaging 73 with a strike rate of 73 against Pakistan.Warner turned to tests on the advice of Sehwag. Had a semi decent career. Good batsman on roads. Other than that he is no Laxman.

He's superior to Laxman in odi, And superior to him in test.

Laxman is more clutch and that's the only area he remains in, Plain and simple.

 

[mominsaigol]

Laxman vs Warner
Laxman vs Misbah
i am expecting
Laxman vs Babar soon

I thought i was responding to Laxman vs Misbah thread lol If i had notice if it was Warner vs Laxman i would not have posted anything. Because it is a totally absurd comparison. One is an opener. other one is a middle order batsman. Roles were different

Vikram wanted said thread, I made it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He's superior to Laxman in odi, And superior to him in test.

Laxman is more clutch and that's the only area he remains in, Plain and simple.

Who cares about ODI. India never picked him for ODI. It is like saying Babar Azam > BRadman because he has better ODI and T20 record.

 

[mominsaigol]

If everything clicks Shan Masood, Saud Shakeel, Saim Ayub, Babar Azam can usher in the Fab 4 era for Pakistan

Shan Masood has failed to inspire the Fab 4. He should be kicked out and replaced with Huraira and Bobby should be the leader.

ppforum.pakpassion.net

^^

Here you claimed that Dewadwal believes Rizwan > Smith in tests, which he didn't.

Thankfully we don't have to play India in Test cricket

This is next level filtering. I understand someone Indian fans acting arrogant might have angered you but that's a bit Mamoon-esque Mamoon acts like Indian team is a minnow and an average team. I don't. I acknowledge that their a world class team and the best team in the world. But any Indian...

ppforum.pakpassion.net

^^
Here you claimed that Dewadwal believes India is way ahead of Australia, which he denied.

Now on this thread, you started comparing two players on all formats when Vikram was comparing them only on tests.

I don't know what happened on DrBassim thread.
There is no justification for your behavior. Secondly, I am not associated with any particular "group" on this forum. I only know one person on here personally, and he isn't much active here. As a matter of fact, I have engaged with you more than most posters. There was even a time when I advised an Indian member not to stereotype you.

But it seems you have already formed a predetermined opinion about certain individuals, and you are creating claims that weren't actually made by them. Or perhaps you are baiting to provoke a reaction, akin to our Doctor from Peshawar. Anyways, I won't engage with you on this thread unless you post something which is actually related to cricket.

Actually ill just reply to all of these claims.

About the devadwal on smith thing, I wanted him to officially reply about his claim on rizzu and smith being interlinked when smith centuries were the result of the team flunkijg while Rizzu's case is him causing a collapse.

But yes, I should not have phrased it in such a way or claimed he made that specific claim.

About the 2nd claim, I stand by what I said, It's not a false accusations .

Now for this thread, I'm comparing Warner for everything. Idrc otherwise.

Also don't accuse me of baiting. I am not the one who came up with this thread idea. Nor do I enjoy talking smack to people or irritating them.

Nor am I the one who felt the need to shove kohli into a kp, Warner, De villers and gayle thread because certain Indian posters wanted to have an Indian representative.

 

[mominsaigol]

Who cares about ODI. India never picked him for ODI. It is like saying Babar Azam > BRadman because he has better ODI and T20 record.

He played 86 games for india in odi consistently, so yes, he was picked for odi.

It's absolutely ludicrous to compare a so called test specialist who initially had poor numbers at the top to Warner who has t9 divide his attention to all 3 formats.

Laxman is a test specialist, he should be better then Warner at test by default however he isn't. He's better then Warner in some aspects only.

 

[big_gamer007]

What’s up with this random thread?
One is an opener the other one was a number 6 for bat.

There’s 0 comparison between those two players.

80+ posts arguing about a comparison which doesn’t make any sense, how free people are in their lives

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Awful and stupid comparison.
One is opener and other is lower middle order batsman.
One was terrible batsman outside his home and other was terrific against GOAT team anywhere.

Having said so, Laxman >>>> HTB Warner in tests, Warner >>>> Laxman in ODIs, no comparison in t20Is as Laxman didn't played that format

 

[mominsaigol]

Awful and stupid comparison.
One is opener and other is lower middle order batsman.
One was terrible batsman outside his home and other was terrific against GOAT team anywhere.

Having said so, Laxman >>>> HTB Warner in tests, Warner >>>> Laxman in ODIs, no comparison in t20Is as Laxman didn't played that format

Warner > Laxman in odi

Warner at home den > Laxman in home den

Warner vs Pakistan > Laxman

Warner as an opener as Laxman also opened 25x > Laxman.

But

Laxman > Warner in test when it comes to playing overseas and playing more clutch.

That is the God honest truth which I stand by however Warner > Laxman which is something I still stand by.

One is a neutral successor to gilchrist. The other was an average player who overachieved and good in him for overachieving. But pure raw talent and ability wise Warner wins hands down.

However yes Warner should have performed better overseas and he didn't while Laxman did

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Warner never cheated, That is total bull concocted by the bcci run icc media that were too afraid of Warner and needed to find ways to get rid of him for a year.

India was too afraid of Australia and always has been.

Are you serious here?? if you're seriously making that point, then i will never ever argue with you.