VVS Laxman vs Misbah-ul-Haq

[jeeteshssaxena]

Also how is it that Laxman was so inconsistent but still somehow averaged more than both Warner and Head.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Steve smith is 1000x the test batter laxman is and has made such clutch impossible innings the norm in his prime, yet he won't ever get the same media attention simply because he isn't an Indian.

Steve is considered as one of the ATG in India too. We Indians consider him better than Kohli in tests. We give the credit where it is due. And what's your point of overhyping players? Which player did we overhype? Laxman deserve all the praise for his many match winning knocks and his legendary performances against ATG Aussie side against whom many so called greats pissed in pants.
If praising players for their great achievements is overhyping, then yes we do overhype and we will continue overhyping them.

 

[mominsaigol]

Travis Head is already ahead of Laxman ?

Just because you worship him doesn’t mean the world does, as of now there is no comparison, Laxman is miles agead of Head, lol.

Warner vs Laxman again hoes to Laxman because Warner was a sitting duck in swing friendly conditions and has below average away performances.

Spouting out nonsense and calling it fact won’t help you here.

Right right a guy with a 44 avg and 70 SR in test, followed by 26 centuries including a triple century

Then followed by 22 odi centuries and a healthy avg of 45 and 97 sr followed by fantastic wc records is somehow worse then a guy who's essentially an Odi clown and had to have BCCI struggle life and limb to accomadate in the test squad.

But nahi he's so clutch. Don't make me fetch in Innigs that smack the crap out of Laxman.

What laxman use to do on occasion, Smith and Warner made it the norm.

But no worries, Ride the India over glory train, your true nature was shown when you all left 2 hrs before the final Concluded

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[mominsaigol]

Also how is it that Laxman was so inconsistent but still somehow averaged more than both Warner and Head.

Laxman averages a little more then Warner only in test.

In odi their not a competition. Or are you going to compare the 2 only in test cricket because typical Indians need to find calculus level excuses for other formats?

Khair 45 avg and 51 sr over 44 avg and 71 sr followed by 26 centuries related to 17 centuries .

Anyone with a straight brain can tell Warner was superior to Laxman in every facet of the game.

Laxman literally has nothing over Warner in any format.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Laxman averages a little more then Warner only in test.

In odi their not a competition. Or are you going to compare the 2 only in test cricket because typical Indians need to find calculus level excuses for other formats?

Khair 45 avg and 51 sr over 44 avg and 71 sr followed by 26 centuries related to 17 centuries .

Anyone with a straight brain can tell Warner was superior to Laxman in every facet of the game.

Laxman literally has nothing over Warner in any format.

I created this thread. And i clearly mention that this thread is about test matches. Why are you bringing other formats in discussion?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

@mominsaigol I am not talking about odis lol, Laxman was basically just a test player.

No reason to bring one days.

 

[mominsaigol]

Steve is considered as one of the ATG in India too. We Indians consider him better than Kohli in tests. We give the credit where it is due. And what's your point of overhyping players? Which player did we overhype? Laxman deserve all the praise for his many match winning knocks and his legendary performances against ATG Aussie side against whom many so called greats pissed in pants.
If praising players for their great achievements is overhyping, then yes we do overhype and we will continue overhyping them.

I asked @Devadwal on who's better in test smith or kohli.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol I am not talking about odis lol, Laxman was basically just a test player.

No reason to bring one days.

Yet laxman the basic test player felt the need to play in odi and play 86 games rather then retiring and never playing odi again .

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

I asked @Devadwal on who's better in test smith or kohli

We celebrate our players, give credit to them, and sometimes some fans hype them too. So what?

 

[mominsaigol]

Thats what happens in movies and even biographies.

Haven’t you seen how cricketers put in some controversial false stuff in their biographies just to get more attention ex Akhtar.

Sohaib Akhtar is a clown when it comes to Media propaganda. The only reason I liked him was because he was the only one willing to scream at rizwan and thanks to him rizzu got rightfully dropped agaonat MZ before botching another test that sarfi had to save.

But many of his other claims like Sachin was afraid of me are total bull.

As I said I speak the truth and am willing to defend Indians when a false claim.is made about them from someone.

But that doesn't mean Indians take liberties with me. It is my duty to make sure misinformation is not spread.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Stay on topic

 

[kron]

Misbah as captain was great for Pakistan. Would have been a good series between prime misbah' team vs virats india.

India has the edge but in Pakistan it will be a close encounter.

 

[Vikram1989]

Laxman averages a little more then Warner only in test.



Khair 45 avg and 51 sr over 44 avg and 71 sr followed by 26 centuries related to 17 centuries .

Anyone with a straight brain can tell Warner was superior to Laxman in every facet of the game.

Laxman literally has nothing over Warner in any format.

So u compare Wanner centuries to laxmans when one is an opener,htb,ftb and other Is a 4th down mostly in a power packed batting line up.
Warner is not for tough situations or outside of aus flat tracks .he went missing in india,eng, south africa, new Zealand regularly when ever there is a tough pitch.his avg in eng,India,nz.p,lanka,wi are abysmal.he made his career out by bashing weak team on his flat grounds.he is ftb,htb at best that to prior sand gate.he did nothing after that.u can mention his batting stats in tough situations. He is the the first one missing in action always.

 

[mominsaigol]

So u compare Wanner centuries to laxmans when one is an opener,htb,ftb and other Is a 4th down mostly in a power packed batting line up.
Warner is not for tough situations or outside of aus flat tracks .he went missing in india,eng, south africa, new Zealand regularly when ever there is a tough pitch.his avg in eng,India,nz.p,lanka,wi are abysmal.he made his career out by bashing weak team on his flat grounds.he is ftb,htb at best that to prior sand gate.he did nothing after that.u can mention his batting stats in tough situations. He is the the first one missing in action always.

Who's stopping Laxman from opening? When he's clearly opened 25x in his career and totally flopped? India went life and limb to get him to work because this moron kept botching it at the top.

Seriously what issue did he have opening and cementing his spot when the likes of rohit had no issue making that position their own?

Did Warner ever need ladla treatment or puppy eyes to work?

No one told laxman to have a Shan masood 28 avg and have India struggle life and limb to accomdare him until he finally settled in no 5 or no 6 because he's too afraid to face the new ball right of the bat and bat positively?

 

[Vikram1989]

Who's stopping Laxman from opening? When he's clearly opened 25x in his career and totally flopped? India went life and limb to get him to work because this moron kept botching it at the top.

Seriously what issue did he have opening and cementing his spot when the likes of rohit had no issue making that position their own?

Am asking the tough situations where Warner bailed out his team

 

[mominsaigol]

Am asking the tough situations where Warner bailed out his team

1 questions.

A) Why is that the only criteria that you are using to justify Laxman > Warner when in reality Warner as a player is 100x the player Laxman can or ever will be?

Now for Warner, His job isn't even to bail out, it isn't his fault that Laxman had incompetent numbskulls that he had to struggle life and limb on.

Warner didn't need said approval, He has no reason to bail out because as an opener he has outbatted the opposition mire times then not and has put Australia in the position where they had no need to even bat for a 2nd innings due to follow on.

Not like Laxman who was a fraud opener and was to pushed down because they knew full well this guy isn't capable of outbatting an opposition which is ideally what a test opener shpuld be doing in the 1st innings or generating an Impossible lead in the 2nd.

Blame laxman's team for being incompetent amd Laxman as annopener for not being able to outbat and do an openers job.

Warner 200 against sa in 2022 is enough justification for test dominance.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Thread is about Laxman vs Misbah. Can we stay on topic now???

 

[Vikram1989]

@mominsaigol u can create a thread Warner vs laxman.there we can discuss

 

[Mamoon]

Laxman is medicore player but in typical Indian fashion, marketing and PR states that he's somehow clutch and the stats don't reflect the magic amd all that bullcrap.

He's a medciore player with a few blinder knocks and was good and has an excellent avg in some countries.

Basically the same as Ijaz Ahmed who avg 50 in the first half of his career in aus, Wi and eng and maintained the 40 something avg in the 2nd half, but besides these 3 he was useless in test against other oppositions and in odi he was useless against every opposition but on occasion he'd play match winning blinders like his 140 of 87.

But unlike ijaz who's considered an inconsistent cricketer, Laxman who is virtually the same is somehow Warner, Travis or gilchrist level

However with that being said Laxman wipes the floor with Misbah in virtually every facet of the game excluding test Asian conditons.

Never understood how Indian fans can turn a decent cricketer like Laxman into some all clutch hero and how pakistani fans can turn Misbah an atrocious cricketer into some sort of hero.

Laxman is average with a memorable surprise knocks and solid in certain conditions. Misbah is a fraud, end of story

You have to be average to be a Test specialist and still not average above 45. India with its 2 billion fan base drives all the narratives.

An average player like Laxman got labeled as as a crisis man to cover uo his inconsistency. The reality is that Laxman is around the same level as someone like Azhar Ali.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol says the man who rates Babar as a great batsman. Laxmans's fourth or fifth best innings was that one in Sydney. Babar would be lucky to play that level of cricket even once in his entire cricketing career.

Babar wipes the floor with Laxman as an all format batsman.

The gap between Babar and Laxman is white ball cricket is far bigger than the gap between the two in Test cricket.

Babar is a far better white ball batsman than Laxman could ever dream to be, and although Laxman is better in Test cricket right now, he is no benchmark. Babar can easily finish with an average of above 45 and score more than 17 centuries. He is already on track to do that.

Laxman is a nothing cricketer.

 

[mominsaigol]

You have to be average to be a Test specialist and still not average above 45. India with its 2 billion fan base drives all the narratives.

An average player like Laxman got labeled as as a crisis man to cover uo his inconsistency. The reality is that Laxman is around the same level as someone like Azhar Ali.

I'm fully aware, that's how all Indian fans are.

Laxman is crises man

Dhoni is viv Richards chewing gum with his biopic

But Warner is somehow worse then these 2 lol.

 

[Mamoon]

Laxman would struggle to find a place in the all-time Pakistan B XI and Pakistan does not have an impressive batting legacy.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol u can create a thread Warner vs laxman.there we can discuss

Sure? I dont mind? I'll do it now

 

[Mamoon]

I'm fully aware, that's how all Indian fans are.

Laxman is crises man

Dhoni is viv Richards chewing gum with his biopic

But Warner is somehow worse then these 2 lol.

This is the reason I turned on these Indian fans. Someone have to rein them in and show them the mirror. They are getting too carried away with their arrogance especially after winning their first trophy in 10 years.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is the reason I turned on these Indian fans. Someone have to rein them in and show them the mirror. They are getting too carried away with their arrogance especially after winning their first trophy in 10 years.

I didn't turn on them, but they think I did even though I've always been consistent with what I claim.

It isn't my fault that Indian fans can't handle the simple fact that someone like steve smith is > Kohli in test

Or that 2024 India is getting cremated by classic Australia in an odi match

Or that Laxman is somehow superior to the natural successor of Gilchrist

Or that bumrah is suddenly the God father of bowling and is superior to anything that Australia has produced.

^^ The thing that irritates me the most however is how they all have amnesia or are just hypocritical.

Their willing to call me a liar and someone who overglorifies people but aren't willing to acknowledge that they spent millions of dollars on a factually incorrect biopic filled with lies and overglorification.

And that despite Dr bassim making a thread about classic aus and current india because these people in gangs claimed India at current was superior and the evidence exists

All of them suddenly have amnesia when I bring it up claiming they never claimed it or they use words like you cannot Categorically claim this or that.

Not every fan is willing to bow down to Indian fans, heck they don't even fully support themselves, their the same guys who ran away from the final 2 hrs before the game concluded cause Australia nei dil chota kar dya.

 

[Mohraheem]

Laxman, Misbah ruined Pakistan Cricket with his tuktuk

 

[jnaveen1980]

That's just another excuse. He had set positions but he kept failing. However because he would occasionally produce blinders and clutch knocks, India knew they had to invest in him and just couldn't afford to drop him. Hence they did everything in his power to make him work until he actually did.

He'd be another Muhammad Rizwan in a sense. However the difference between those 2, is that while India did everything in their power to accommodate Laxman they had every right to.

Laxman while inconsistent was an X factor at the end of the day and hence couldn't be discarded and once India had succeeded in accommodating him, He gave clutch performances, While rizwan was accommodated simply because of Misbah nepotism in the same way Shan is accommodated and unlike Laxman, Rizzu even after being accommodated has been medicore while Laxman wasn't, He was a proper X factor.

Laxman is a good player, and I'm not denying he isn't. Infact this thread is a bloody joke since you're comparing a proper X factor to One of the worst(Misbah) odi batters of all time and the very definition of fraudulent batting in test(Misbah)

However none of this changes the fact that Indians always overglorify everyone on the planet.

I'm not saying Laxman = Ijaz Ahmed, that's a separate topic, But what I'm saying is both players have exactly the same career story and trajectory. However Ijaz Ahmed isn't born in India, if he was every Indian would be saying things like

You didn't see Axeman play, he's the one guy you can't showcase paper stats towards.

Laxman is a good player but Indians have overhyped him which is nothing new, they overhype all their players that one would think their a bit too obsessed with fantasy novels.

Steve smith is 1000x the test batter laxman is and has made such clutch impossible innings the norm in his prime, yet he won't ever get the same media attention simply because he isn't an Indian.

Not an excuse. You have no clue since you probably didn't watch ball by ball. We did watch. In certain areas i rate Laxman above even Sachin. THere was this Brett Lee debut series where he wsa too hot to handle. Laxman plundered 52 runs in 5 overs from Brett Lee when India was backs to the wall.

 

[mominsaigol]

Not an excuse. You have no clue since you probably didn't watch ball by ball. We did watch. In certain areas i rate Laxman above even Sachin. THere was this Brett Lee debut series where he wsa too hot to handle. Laxman plundered 52 runs in 5 overs from Brett Lee when India was backs to the wall.

In certain areas I rate pointing > Sachin considering the fact Sachin collapsed his team in captaincy and many other factors such as their final.performance.

This certain area nonsense is not something I give a crap about. It doesn't mean pointing > Sachin as a batter and it doesn't mean laxman > Sachin as a batter. Another marketing gimmick to try to make laxman better then he actually is.

 

[mominsaigol]

Typical Indians.

Asked me to make a thread, cry about said threads, Make false million Dollar biopics but accuse others, hate player overglorification and match fixing but try their hardest to cover up their stupid azhar cheat with another trash biopic, and make another marketing pr move to cover up Laxman's weaknesses

And in typical fashion, comment with low blows and run away as soon as their asked to man up.

Nothing shall change with dishonest people who once gave bcci positions and a biopic to the world's biggest cheat.