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Wahab Riaz and Mohammad Amir at The Hundred (Performance Watch)

Amir finishes with figures of 1/31 off 20 deliveries against the Southern Brave today. Another middling effort.
 
Amir with his Coach

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Amir's team really struggling.

Another loss tonight after being in a very strong position.
 
Another chance today for Amir to prove his critics wrong, the London Spirit fielding first against the Northern Superchargers at Lord's.
 
Terrible bowler, absolutely embarrassing how some commentators keep spouting cliches about his ability based on his reputation.
 
His put abit of timber on too. Willey was struggling a little and those two juicy full tosses helped him and made him crack a joke with his non striker. Don’t think anybody will sign Amir for next years Hundred
 
As have mentioned quite a few times before regarding Amir, the zip in his bowling is just not their for almost couple of years now.

He still has the skills to shape the new ball sometimes (Even thats not consistent or banana swing) but, thats not going to trouble many at the speed and overall lack of zip he is bowling with. Other skills he had other than that inswing to right handers were his change ups and decent bowling intelligence. Change up is obviously isnt as effective against quality batsmen if your faster one is only mid 130s kph, same is the case with an odd bouncer.

Yes, he might have better bowling intelligence than some young ones who are still learning but unless you have extreme level of intelligence you are not going achieve much with the current level of skillset which Amir has.

With the overall limited armoury which he has now, even when he executes some of the things right its not unplayable stuff for quality batsmen. When we look at the likes of Steyn and Anderson who in mid and late 30s can ball faster than Amir (Who was much faster once) than you realize its the lack of hardwork and an effort to find shortcuts which impacted him hugely as a cricketer.

At the expense of being repetitive, he needs to add pace and zip to his bowling along with an effort to get consistent shape. Since his retirement from tests and almost no list A cricket as well for over a year, year and a half now he is not even getting that forced hard yards in.
 
Amir is not doing hard yards for these pajama leagues. Place him in an ICC Trophy final and see a different Amir.
 
A player being out of form doesn’t mean he’s finished🤦🏻*♂️

Virat Kohli last scored an international century back in November 2019. Is he finished too?🧐
 
Amir looks out of form.
He looks very ordinary. Need to ball faster instead of the 130 crap he is dishing out.

He did big favor on Pakistan by retiring.
 
Guys as I said last week, watching him live, he looked o much older then his age.
He looked more like 40 then a 31/32 year old.

Not saying he lied about his age. Just that the 5 years out from cricket and then cashing in by playing leagues around the world has probably caught up with him.
 
thelandofthebravepeople said:
Amir looks out of form.
He looks very ordinary. Need to ball faster instead of the 130 crap he is dishing out.

He did big favor on Pakistan by retiring.
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I don't think he's capable of bowling fast even if he wants to.
It looks like his best days are well behind him.
 
IMMY69 said:
Guys as I said last week, watching him live, he looked o much older then his age.
He looked more like 40 then a 31/32 year old.

Not saying he lied about his age. Just that the 5 years out from cricket and then cashing in by playing leagues around the world has probably caught up with him.
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Indeed he looks old when watching him live.
Definitely does not look 29.
He is probably 33-34.
 
gazza619 said:
He is just past his best, thats all. His thin body was not made fast bowling but i think he did well against all odds at the start of his career.
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He will go down in history as the one of the great tragedies of Pakistan cricket. And his post-comeback run is, if anything, an affirmation of that idea.
 
Well had he retired citing lack of form and motivation, it would have been more apt.

He'll get to play another year on reputation but after that don't see him playing in any other tournament other than PSL, LPL, BPL and vitality blast.
 
Think he has not gotten enough rest yet to return to cricketing form since a tiresome PSL.
 
So the self proclaimed ace bowler is neither taking wickets nor stopping runs now.
 
How he has proved me wrong.

He really needs to go back to the drawing board on his fitness, mindset and skills. Basically everything.
 
Looks very lethargic overall now - Bowling pies and getting smashed all over Lords by anyone and everyone. Probably the most expensive bowler going around in the competition too.
 
He is done now.He should call .As much as I liked him and supported him throughout his career but now I think it's time for him to hang the boots.

He has been awful for long time now.
 
Amir looks in horrible shape and his bowling figures aren’t doing him any favours either. His international career seems to be over unfortunately.
 
AdamM97 said:
Amir looks in horrible shape and his bowling figures aren’t doing him any favours either. His international career seems to be over unfortunately.
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I havent seen much of Amir recently but I think he put himself under immense pressure by retiring.

He is just silly and needs to revisit all the people who give him general advise in life.

Surely you dont need much legs to bowl 4 overs in a T20. Amir’s main issue is his scrambled brain.
 
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Watch him take a uturn and say he is available for selection now. His dream of making money abroad is slowly slipping as nobody will want such a poorly performing player soon
 
gazza619 said:
I havent seen much of Amir recently but I think he put himself under immense pressure by retiring.

He is just silly and needs to revisit all the people who give him general advise in life.

Surely you dont need much legs to bowl 4 overs in a T20. Amir’s main issue is his scrambled brain.
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He looks very ordinary nowadays, even in PSL. Age and negligence seems to be the main issues. He also needs to take criticism in the right way and stop whining when he gets dropped.
 
Amir is finished and he knew it too that he won't get into Pakistan side hence he retired.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Watch him take a uturn and say he is available for selection now. His dream of making money abroad is slowly slipping as nobody will want such a poorly performing player soon
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The problem is that his diminishing demand in league cricket and sacking of Misbah and waqar will more or less happen at the same time. He'll make himself available for national selection then, appearing to be a man of his words.
 
Ucdkee said:
The problem is that his diminishing demand in league cricket and sacking of Misbah and waqar will more or less happen at the same time. He'll make himself available for national selection then, appearing to be a man of his words.
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Yeah unfortunately thats what will happen plus for some reason he has his backers in the media and fans.

This guy is a county bowler at best and is slowly looking a second XI county bowler too....
 
Amir is Human.

Amir not played much cricket leading upto this tournament clearly no rhythm in bowling. Tamasha leagues can’t decide fate.

Will be back stronger just keep faith.
 
I can't help but think the love and romance around Amir had a lot to with certain factors:

1) Being from a small town of Gujjar Khan
2) Wasim Akram endorsing him as his second coming
3) Being super young

You get a lot of good young prospects specially as a fast bowler as there is a lot of heart and guile around fast bowler in a teenager. We got carried away by the hype and he eventually believed in his hype too. But you see different attitudes towards him and someone like Umar Akmal. For me, dono ek laindi k 2 tukre hain.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Watch him take a uturn and say he is available for selection now. His dream of making money abroad is slowly slipping as nobody will want such a poorly performing player soon
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If he's coming to England he could play in some local league as a ringer and get £20 a match. I knew someone who would pay out of his own pocket to win important games. Granted not everyone's that sad, but it might be an option.
 
SaadAliG said:
I can't help but think the love and romance around Amir had a lot to with certain factors:

1) Being from a small town of Gujjar Khan
2) Wasim Akram endorsing him as his second coming
3) Being super young

You get a lot of good young prospects specially as a fast bowler as there is a lot of heart and guile around fast bowler in a teenager. We got carried away by the hype and he eventually believed in his hype too. But you see different attitudes towards him and someone like Umar Akmal. For me, dono ek laindi k 2 tukre hain.
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His bowling in Australia in 2009 and then against the Aussies again in 2010 at Lords and Leeds showed everyone just how special a talent he was.
He was bowing inswingers to the right handers at 150kmh at the age of 17/18 and toyed with a peak Ponting at Lords.

Even in that ill fated test match against England at Lords in 2010, he was running through Englands Top Order like a knife through butter.

Prior to his international debut he was making great noises for the A team.

He really was a special talent and the hype was more then justified.
 
Wahab Riaz playing his first match for the Trent Rockets in the Hundred today after sorting out his visa issues. We'll see him with ball in hand soon enough as Trent are bowling first.
 
Good effort from Wahab in his first match:

20 balls
4 wickets
30 runs conceded

Bowled at a good pace too.
 
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4 wickets for Wahab for 30 runs in his very first match.
 
Superb from Wahab

Especially considering he's been in quarantine for so long
 
IMMY69 said:
His bowling in Australia in 2009 and then against the Aussies again in 2010 at Lords and Leeds showed everyone just how special a talent he was.
He was bowing inswingers to the right handers at 150kmh at the age of 17/18 and toyed with a peak Ponting at Lords.

Even in that ill fated test match against England at Lords in 2010, he was running through Englands Top Order like a knife through butter.

Prior to his international debut he was making great noises for the A team.

He really was a special talent and the hype was more then justified.
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2010 Ponting was the worst Ponting year.
 
Wahab's thrilling delivery to dismiss New Zealand all-rounder Jimmy Neesham was probably the best of the tournament so far.

The 36-year-old Pakistan star speared the ball towards Neesham's toes and it clattered into the base of the stumps.

As he walked off knowing he'd been bested, New Zealand all-rounder Neesham gave Wahab a nod as if to say "well bowled".

Wahab, a left-armer who glides to the crease and delivers 90mph rockets, bowled 10 consecutive deliveries at the end of the Fire innings and picked up another two wickets, including another yorker to Luke Fletcher which spectacularly knocked middle stump out of the ground.

It was a fine start to The Hundred for Wahab after a difficult few weeks.

He originally arrived in the UK two weeks before the start of the tournament but had to return to Pakistan because of visa issues.

After arriving for a second time he had to quarantine and watch his temporary replacement Marchant de Lange star in Rockets' opening four games.

On Friday, he finally arrived for real.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You won't see many better yorkers than this from Wahab Riaz <a href="https://t.co/ovkzS8MBgn">pic.twitter.com/ovkzS8MBgn</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheHundred?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheHundred</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1423727305491353600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 6, 2021</a></blockquote>
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He can bowl with the new ball, he can bowl with the old ball, he can reverse it, his yorkers are lethal, he takes wickets, he’s got pace and he can bat !!!

I’d take Wahab Riaz over Hasnain and Rauf in a heartbeat.
 
How can anyone seriously see Wahab bowl that yorker and the way he bowled in the PSL, and say he doesn't deserve to be in the T20 team? Especially when you look at how much better he is than Haris Rauf, Hasnain, Faheem and all the other inexperienced youngsters.

He bowls well in the UAE and is known to step it up in World Cups. He still has the pace and the yorkers even if he can be all over the place at times. He should be in the World Cup squad.

As far as The Hundred goes, he has already outshined Amir in one game.
 
Wahab looks amazing in domestic matches but then becomes an absolute liability in internationals. A real shame as he has most of the qualities required to be a great bowler.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
He can bowl with the new ball, he can bowl with the old ball, he can reverse it, his yorkers are lethal, he takes wickets, he’s got pace and he can bat !!!

I’d take Wahab Riaz over Hasnain and Rauf in a heartbeat.
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And he can field! No brainer, he needs to be in the T20 World Cup squad. Shaheen and Haris have had too many brain fades lately and leak way too many runs. Yes Wahab has done that in the past, but he is more controlled now.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
How can anyone seriously see Wahab bowl that yorker and the way he bowled in the PSL, and say he doesn't deserve to be in the T20 team? Especially when you look at how much better he is than Haris Rauf, Hasnain, Faheem and all the other inexperienced youngsters.

He bowls well in the UAE and is known to step it up in World Cups. He still has the pace and the yorkers even if he can be all over the place at times. He should be in the World Cup squad.

As far as The Hundred goes, he has already outshined Amir in one game.
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I agree.
On current form he easily gets into our first eleven T20 team
 
Oh God - please no.

'A Wahab Riaz for the T20 WC' support campaign. Need to move on from him.
 
So Amir is not even the best Pakistani bowler in the competition lol.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
How can anyone seriously see Wahab bowl that yorker and the way he bowled in the PSL, and say he doesn't deserve to be in the T20 team? Especially when you look at how much better he is than Haris Rauf, Hasnain, Faheem and all the other inexperienced youngsters.

He bowls well in the UAE and is known to step it up in World Cups. He still has the pace and the yorkers even if he can be all over the place at times. He should be in the World Cup squad.

As far as The Hundred goes, he has already outshined Amir in one game.
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He will flop at the international level, like he has more often than not.

Plus he is too old now.

He should make his money from t10 leagues.
 
Forum363 said:
He will flop at the international level, like he has more often than not.

Plus he is too old now.

He should make his money from t10 leagues.
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As if most of the other bowlers haven't....

Even at his age his pace is unrelenting, the yorkers are still there and he always gives his 100%. The experience counts for something aswell, especially in a high-pressure World Cup situation. He should be in the squad.
 
Was he dropped in the last game? if yes, are we going to see a protest against Shane Warne for not giving Amir the respect he deserves?
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
As if most of the other bowlers haven't....

Even at his age his pace is unrelenting, the yorkers are still there and he always gives his 100%. The experience counts for something aswell, especially in a high-pressure World Cup situation. He should be in the squad.
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This is the logic to repeatedly select players who were a joke at international level like Kamran. There comes a point where no amount of domestic performance should be enough to warrant a recall.

Not that Wahab has done anything spectacular to deserve a recall anyway.
 
Wahab is lot better than Rauf and more experienced. He also brings his A game in World Cup, and has enough paceand variation to unsettle batsmen.
 
Forum363 said:
This is the logic to repeatedly select players who were a joke at international level like Kamran. There comes a point where no amount of domestic performance should be enough to warrant a recall.

Not that Wahab has done anything spectacular to deserve a recall anyway.
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How was he a joke? I get that he has had an inconsistent career but using hyperboles just to drive your point home is an intellectually dishonest thing to do.

Yes he has had an inconsistent career but right now he's a lot better than what we have. His like for like replacement Haris Rauf is going at 9 an over on a consistent basis and has one of the worst economy rates in the world in overs 1-16. Others like Hasnain either have the same problem or lack the experience to succeed high-pressure situations like the World Cup.

It's easy to rail against players like Wahab, who have never really been able to fully establish themselves but fact is, if Pakistan had enough established top-tier fast-bowlers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place.

He has done very well in the PSL. And if that can be a criteria of selection for the likes of Sharjeel, Sohaib Maqsood, Mohammad Wasim and many others; than I don't see why that can't be the criteria of selection for him.
 
Mohammed Aamir came back with a lot of zest after the ban wanting to prove a point, but his fielding mates dropped 15 catches in 17 matches against his bowling alone and that finished everything, he lost his confidence and his motivation. It was the same people that didnt want him in the team in the first place, the PCB should have taken note of this. WE have lost a good bowler now thanks to our silly mentality.
 
Forum363 said:
Not that Wahab has done anything spectacular to deserve a recall anyway.
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I think his death bowling skills are possibly still one of the best around and that was the only reason he was called for WC 19 as well after being discarded.

Just like you need a finisher with the bat to give decent shape to your total or win, you need good death over bowlers as well to take it home from a decent position.

He might not have been great good length/ accuracy bowler with the new ball or sometimes even in the middle overs or as its called TTF but, at death overs he has rarely let his team down. Yes he can get it wrong on the day as well but, there is more probability of him getting it right than some others.

I understand Moh Wasim’s philosophy of having players who are not limited but, credit to Wahab he bought into the theory and actually bowled 1-2 overs in almost every PSL match in second leg to show that as well. He might still not be completely reliable with new ball but he surely is bit more reliable than some our other newbie death bowlers in my opinion. Those 5-15 runs can make a big difference in a T20 match.
 
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PakPremi said:
Wahab is lot better than Rauf and more experienced. He also brings his A game in World Cup, and has enough paceand variation to unsettle batsmen.
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Not just Wahab, there are many better than this street cricketer.
 
Wahab not playing tonight - may be injured.
 
MenInG said:
Wahab not playing tonight - may be injured.
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Before tonight's game:

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RedwoodOriginal said:
As if most of the other bowlers haven't....

Even at his age his pace is unrelenting, the yorkers are still there and he always gives his 100%. The experience counts for something aswell, especially in a high-pressure World Cup situation. He should be in the squad.
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I argued this before the last ODI world cup after observing his displays in the PSL, when many were rubbishing him. In the end, he was probably Pakistan's best bowler at the WC. He hasn't been bowling as well this season, but what people tend to forget is he is a big match bowler. When the heat is on, he will usually step up a gear where others wilt. Yes he will be expensive sometimes, but this is the nature of T20.

Would I still back him even though he is a couple of years older now? I believe I would. As you have said, the pace is still there, and that is his main asset, doesn't matter if he is 28 or 38.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I argued this before the last ODI world cup after observing his displays in the PSL, when many were rubbishing him. In the end, he was probably Pakistan's best bowler at the WC. He hasn't been bowling as well this season, but what people tend to forget is he is a big match bowler. When the heat is on, he will usually step up a gear where others wilt. Yes he will be expensive sometimes, but this is the nature of T20.

Would I still back him even though he is a couple of years older now? I believe I would. As you have said, the pace is still there, and that is his main asset, doesn't matter if he is 28 or 38.
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Agreed. He has a tendency to do well in World Cups. I didn't think he was Pakistan's best bowler at the last World Cup. I thought Shaheen and Amir were better. But he certainly did well and was unquestionably Pakistan's best bowler at the 2015 WC.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
How was he a joke? I get that he has had an inconsistent career but using hyperboles just to drive your point home is an intellectually dishonest thing to do.

Yes he has had an inconsistent career but right now he's a lot better than what we have. His like for like replacement Haris Rauf is going at 9 an over on a consistent basis and has one of the worst economy rates in the world in overs 1-16. Others like Hasnain either have the same problem or lack the experience to succeed high-pressure situations like the World Cup.

It's easy to rail against players like Wahab, who have never really been able to fully establish themselves but fact is, if Pakistan had enough established top-tier fast-bowlers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place.

He has done very well in the PSL. And if that can be a criteria of selection for the likes of Sharjeel, Sohaib Maqsood, Mohammad Wasim and many others; than I don't see why that can't be the criteria of selection for him.
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Wahab is better than Rauf he's also a better fielder and better batter.However if he is to get into the squad/playing xi he must open the bowling .
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wahab Riaz has been ruled out of the rest of The Hundred tournament after suffering a back injury. In his only match for Trent Rockets he took 4-30 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TheHundred?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TheHundred</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1424819837998702594?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 9, 2021</a></blockquote>
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shamaan said:
Wahab is better than Rauf he's also a better fielder and better batter.However if he is to get into the squad/playing xi he must open the bowling .
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If he plays he can't have a one-dimensional role. While I agree that he has improved immensely with the new ball and should be tried upfront, he will be needed in the death overs aswell because he has the experience of bowling at the end and does have those yorkers in his arsenal too.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
If he plays he can't have a one-dimensional role. While I agree that he has improved immensely with the new ball and should be tried upfront, he will be needed in the death overs aswell because he has the experience of bowling at the end and does have those yorkers in his arsenal too.
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Yes he cant be one dimensional but he cant be bowling at first change as that's not the issue we have.We need a opening bowler with shaheen.
 
shamaan said:
Yes he cant be one dimensional but he cant be bowling at first change as that's not the issue we have.We need a opening bowler with shaheen.
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Imad and Shaheen should be first pick opening bowlers in my opinion. But Shaheen or Imad can be shuffled around to make room for him. But at the same time Wahab would have to be versatile. He can't hide from bowling first change, middle of the innings or at the backend. Plans can change drastically depending on the situation of the game, especially in this format.
 
Amir warming up for tonight's game against Manchester Originals at Old Trafford, he should be under pressure to retain his place.
 
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