Wahab Riaz "I'm Fast and Furious"

[arehaan]

wahab surely was the weak link today and had no plan while bowling. Was completely switched off

 

[Bilal7]

So the pitch suited Pandya? No excuses. He could just bowl like Irfan did atleast. Good line and length outside off stump. All he did was dishing out half volleys outside off

L&L? Please. We were defending 80 runs in a T20, not bowling after gaining a lead of 250 runs. He was looking for wickets and tries what he could. Can't fault him for being expensive.

Pandya was bowling in the first innings in totally different circumstances.

 

[Bhaijaan]

His lack of skill was brutally exposed today. It was a dream pitch for fast bowling and Amir, Nehra, Bumra, Irfan and Sami all looked very good.

The only bowler who stood out like a sore thumb was Wahab.

Very disappointing effort.

To be honest, Wahab isn't the kind of bowler who uses the pitch's lateral movement. Its the bounce (which was there) , I think his USP is when there isn't much going on he can turn things around with his pace. Whab is more likely to impress you on a batting pitch thus because on such pitches frankly even Bhuvneshwar has a higher chance of outperforming him. You just have to pitch it in right areas. Wahab's not about being that.


Overall though I get the picture, he is overrated.

 

[rhony]

L&L? Please. We were defending 80 runs in a T20, not bowling after gaining a lead of 250 runs. He was looking for wickets and tries what he could. Can't fault him for being expensive.

Pandya was bowling in the first innings in totally different circumstances.

Pandya was just an example. I'm not saying he's as good as Wahab. Far from it. Even though the target was 80, it is absolutely imperative to choke the runs as a support bowler. Wahab was the support bowler and who knows if Kohli and Pandya was out with 20 runs to win instead of 8, anything could have happened

 

[Bilal7]

Pandya was just an example. I'm not saying he's as good as Wahab. Far from it. Even though the target was 80, it is absolutely imperative to choke the runs as a support bowler. Wahab was the support bowler and who knows if Kohli and Pandya was out with 20 runs to win instead of 8, anything could have happened

Once again, this was a T20. Amir's spell was done by the time Riaz came on to bowl and he had to look for wickets. There is absolutely no way any group of bowlers could have defended that total by cutting off the runs. Wickets were the key.

 

[rhony]

Once again, this was a T20. Amir's spell was done by the time Riaz came on to bowl and he had to look for wickets. There is absolutely no way any group of bowlers could have defended that total by cutting off the runs. Wickets were the key.

Fine. Let's say you are right. His strengths are bowling short or yorkers. Where are they? Instead, he just bowled bad balls. Reminded me of Mitchell Johnson's clue less bowling against NZ in WC 2015 when STarc was going gung ho

 

[Bilal7]

Fine. Let's say you are right. His strengths are bowling short or yorkers. Where are they? Instead, he just bowled bad balls. Reminded me of Mitchell Johnson's clue less bowling against NZ in WC 2015 when STarc was going gung ho

This was not a pitch for short-pitched bowling and he's good with the yorkers but not on the level of prime-Malinga or Gul.

MJ would have been hit around too if he came on to bowl instead of Riaz.

 

[Asadullah]

The payment story in OP is interesting. Especially considering the fact that he came into side in summer 2010 on back of poor domestic returns, though got a 5-fer in his first chance to become a permanent fixture there on

Not the most consistent bowler these days. Needs to tidy up

 

[shah_1]

He is so overrated, predictable and rubbish.

You can't just bowl like a bowling machine, use your brain bhai.

 

[waleed88]

I liked Misbah ul Haq's analysis on Wahab Riaz : Misbah said Wahab is a different bowler to Mohammad Amir who is more effective with the old ball, and the late lateral movement that he gets.
He said he is a 'hit the deck hard' bowler who does well on hard tracks with bounce, but is not as effective on green tracks.
Its pretty clear a more seasoned campaigner like Misbah would've used him differently, Wahab's first over Afridi expected him to swing it like Amir does. Wahab would've been more suitable bowling short to the batsmen which is clearly what he does best. Misbah would've given him a short leg, but Afridi was only worried about the runs he was giving away.

 

[waleed88]

His second and third overs were much more decent to Yuvraj Singh, where he was landing in short. Surprised he was not given a short leg, and Irfan wasn't given one either for that matter.
Afridi's captaincy was defensive. Amir should've had 3 slips but since the second over Afridi only had two

 

[waleed88]

This was not a pitch for short-pitched bowling and he's good with the yorkers but not on the level of prime-Malinga or Gul.

MJ would have been hit around too if he came on to bowl instead of Riaz.

I think he was doing ok when he was bowling short. In his first over he was bowling full outside the off stump or on the middle stump with no swing. Its almost as if Wahab lost the plot after looking at Amir's bowling. He was trying to seam it in and obvviously he is not that kind of bowler to do that..

 

[srh]

Overrated

 

[The_KING]

Fast, furious and rubbish.

 

[Asif khan]

Erratic and a liability when conditions don't suit him. Still living off that spell to watsisname ages ago.

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[s28]

People just making judgements based on this one game can't be taken seriously.

Remember what Wahab did to India in Mohali.

We are going to be playing India in India again soon.

 

[HamzaSaeen]

People just making judgements based on this one game can't be taken seriously.

Remember what Wahab did to India in Mohali.

We are going to be playing India in India again soon.

The irony

 

[Mamoon]

No bounce and reverse-swing and Wahab = absolutely rubbish.

 

[Jabo]

No bounce and reverse-swing and Wahab = absolutely rubbish.

But Waqar Younis the legend should have made him great?

And don't call him Overrated because he wasn't even rated in the first place

 

[BigBoy123]

Just pace nothing else

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[Mamoon]

But Waqar Younis the legend should have made him great?

And don't call him Overrated because he wasn't even rated in the first place

Don't know if you are blaming Waqar or not, but Wahab's only decent performances have come in his tenure. He was terrible under Whatmore.

He wasn't rated before but since the Watson spell, he has deluded a lot of people into believing that he is Johnson II.

 

[BigBoy123]

I liked Misbah ul Haq's analysis on Wahab Riaz : Misbah said Wahab is a different bowler to Mohammad Amir who is more effective with the old ball, and the late lateral movement that he gets.
He said he is a 'hit the deck hard' bowler who does well on hard tracks with bounce, but is not as effective on green tracks.
Its pretty clear a more seasoned campaigner like Misbah would've used him differently, Wahab's first over Afridi expected him to swing it like Amir does. Wahab would've been more suitable bowling short to the batsmen which is clearly what he does best. Misbah would've given him a short leg, but Afridi was only worried about the runs he was giving away.

His comparison with Amir is a joke..it is like comparing Ahmed Shehzad and Kohli..
Amir is a complete bowler he isn't

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[90MPH]

Delete.

 

[ExplicitAI]

I don't think he was handled properly by Afridi here, he wasn't sure where to place the fielders during Wahab's overs.

 

[waleed88]

His comparison with Amir is a joke..it is like comparing Ahmed Shehzad and Kohli..
Amir is a complete bowler he isn't

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Where in this whole post I made has Misbah compared Amir to Wahab? You must lack in comprehension skills. It clearly doesnot compare the two bowlers but he was saying expecting Wahab to bowl like Amir is plain stupid because he is a different kind of bowler..

 

[Bilal7]

I think he was doing ok when he was bowling short. In his first over he was bowling full outside the off stump or on the middle stump with no swing. Its almost as if Wahab lost the plot after looking at Amir's bowling. He was trying to seam it in and obvviously he is not that kind of bowler to do that..

He was trying though and bouncers would not have been effective on that pitch. We can't fault him for trying to bowl in the manner that would be most effective on that pitch.

When we go to Australia and New Zealand, Riaz will be mighty effective like he was in the last World Cup.

 

[Bilal7]

Erratic and a liability when conditions don't suit him. Still living off that spell to watsisname ages ago.

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Only for people who didn't bother watching the recent test series against England.

That 9 over, match-winning spell where he was bowling at an average speed of 145 kph and reverse swinging the ball is the highlight of Wahab's career thus far.

 

[Aman]

He was trying though and bouncers would not have been effective on that pitch. We can't fault him for trying to bowl in the manner that would be most effective on that pitch.

When we go to Australia and New Zealand, Riaz will be mighty effective like he was in the last World Cup.

Must have missed Wahabs bowling to our tailenders.

 

[Aman]

Wahabs last ODI series in NZ
Matches 2
Wickets 1
ER 6.32
Avg 118

T20's
Matches 3
Wickets 5
ER 9.72
Average 21.40

 

[Bilal7]

Must have missed Wahabs bowling to our tailenders.

He'll get better and I was talking about the tests that we have against New Zealand. Is there a LO series on that upcoming tour too?

 

[Aman]

He'll get better and I was talking about the tests that we have against New Zealand. Is there a LO series on that upcoming tour too?

Then why mention the WC in the same sentence? Also, the shorter formats are Wahabs stronger suit, what makes you think he'll perform better in Tests when he's performed so poorly (recently) in NZ.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Predict a match winning spell is around the corner.

 

[Diffusion]

Bought him on too late I think. India and Kohli had wrestled back control of the game in the two overs before that. The buzz and momentum of the Amir spell was well and truly gone, so he didn't have too much to feed on.

Should've bowled him in tandem with Amir. Irfan kept it tight, but didn't look too threatening at all. Wickets were more important in that situation.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Bought him on too late I think. India and Kohli had wrestled back control of the game in the two overs before that. The buzz and momentum of the Amir spell was well and truly gone, so he didn't have too much to feed on.

Should've bowled him in tandem with Amir. Irfan kept it tight, but didn't look too threatening at all. Wickets were more important in that situation.

Irfan was more threatening than Wahab.

 

[Diffusion]

Irfan was more threatening than Wahab.

Probably, neither was really too threatening though. I just think in that early spell with Amir bombing down the other end and Indian batsmen looking nervous; Riaz could've been a bigger threat.

It's just that when he came on, the Indian inning was on the ascendancy. They were relieved to see off Amir's 4 overs, and had got a few boundaries in those last few overs. The game was pretty much over again, and it was a big ask to swing the momentum Pakistan's way again.

 

[BaaliSoda]

Wahabs last ODI series in NZ
Matches 2
Wickets 1
ER 6.32
Avg 118

T20's
Matches 3
Wickets 5
ER 9.72
Average 21.40

And still there are some PPers who will have you believe that Wahab will run through batting line ups (India in this case) for fun, given a pacer friendly tracks like the ones we are seeing in the current Asia Cup games.

IMHO, he is living on that one supposedly magical (can also be read as moral victory) spell he bowled against a batsman who was in his last legs of intnl career in WC2015. A comeback bowler Sami out-bowled him along with the fading Irfan (wasn't in greatest of forms recently before the last night game)

 

[Bilal7]

Then why mention the WC in the same sentence? Also, the shorter formats are Wahabs stronger suit, what makes you think he'll perform better in Tests when he's performed so poorly (recently) in NZ.

Test pitches have more juice in them for the bowlers and Wahab's natural length will make him a difficult bowler to face.

 

[New Yorker]

Bought him on too late I think. India and Kohli had wrestled back control of the game in the two overs before that. The buzz and momentum of the Amir spell was well and truly gone, so he didn't have too much to feed on.

Should've bowled him in tandem with Amir. Irfan kept it tight, but didn't look too threatening at all. Wickets were more important in that situation.

They 'had wrested control back.'? The game' is nothing but a bowler and a batsman facing off against each other. It was his job to do some wresting of his own. Nothing had been handed over until he bowled that first horrible spell.

 

[New Yorker]

Test pitches have more juice in them for the bowlers and Wahab's natural length will make him a difficult bowler to face.

You are certainly entitled to keep hoping so, but what evidence is there of this going on past performance? He is not horrible, and he will put in some good spells here and there, but in the end of the day he is also not good.

 

[Major]

reading the interview posted in the OP, and especially reading the last paragraph, i won't be surprised if this rumor was spread by some domestic fellow cricketer......

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Who will tell me please why he is unable to unlock his wrist ? :-(

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x27...-14-2010_sport

Wahab Riaz 3 overs 46 runs.

4th over yorker lengths all and fast gives away one run and takes 2 wickets.


We should use him after 12 overs with 4 overs on the Trott. Just like Umar Gul. Only use him earlier if we have a small total to defend and we need wickets.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION]

5 wickets on test debut on relatively flat oval wicket. 4 of them were straight ones and pace caused the dismissals while 5th wicket was result of Reverse swing.


This guy has takers fivefers even without seam and swing. But this is the reason that he hasn't been consistent because for consistency you have to have seam or swing in your armoury. But he has always stepped up in ICC tournaments and very imp test series so he is an asset indeed.

 

[waleed88]

Misbah was telling in his post match analysis that Wahab needs a new pair of shoes every 1 or 2 games, because of the effort he puts in while bowling, the friction causes his toes to eventually break the toe end of the boot.

 

[kingusama92]

More like "I'm fast and leave fans furious".

 

[Square Drive]

Wow. So many knee-jerks.

As I said earlier, I'm just waiting for everyone to hop onto the bandwagon once he picks up 3 wickets for less next game.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

He will bounce back inshaAllah.

Backing him.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Wow. So many knee-jerks.

As I said earlier, I'm just waiting for everyone to hop onto the bandwagon once he picks up 3 wickets for less next game.

Yah expect him to turn up against uae

Its not knee jerk , gets hit for more than 9 rpo more often than not. I dont know what people find him so special in him.

 

[Mamoon]

I think this should be his last year in Limited Overs cricket. Yes he turns up in tournaments, but the World Cup is 3 years away and the next World T20 four years from now. Maybe he can play the Champions Trophy next year, but that should be it.

He will be 31 this year and is largely a liability in Limited Overs. Keep him for Tests only where he can change the match on its head where there is reverse-swing on offer and although it is delusional to think that he will create problems for Australia in Tests this year and won't get hammered by Warner, Smith, Khawaja and co., he still has a better chance of doing a decent job in Australia compared to the likes of Junaid and Rahat etc.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Yah expect him to turn up against uae

Its not knee jerk , gets hit for more than 9 rpo more often than not. I dont know what people find him so special in him.

He has just played 16 T20i ganes where his RPO is 8.37 but if you look at his RPO in 110 T20 domestic matches including County and global T20 leagues than his RPO is 7.12 which is very very decent indeed.

Also he had the 5th best RPO of 7.13 after Sami, Hasan Ali, Sohail Khan & Rumman Raees in PSL and better than Umar Gul, Ehsan Adil, Sohail Tanveer, Junaid Khan , Mohammad Irfan, Anwar Ali, Bilawal Bhatti & Aizaz Cheema.

And he was highest wicker taker pacer from Pakistan in PSL woth 15 eickets and overall number 2 after Andre Russel who got 16 but with RPO of 8.03.


Yes he does not seam or swing the ball which is a drawback. But his pace, reverse swing & OCCASIONAL Match winning performances excite us (his fans).

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

We will need 34 years old Wahab (if he retains his pace) in England in 2019 unless by that time Amad Butt has developed into 150kph bowler or these new finds (Muhammad Bilal, Bilal Shah or Mohammad Zahid) have not become a force to reckon with.


Similarly we will need 36 years old Mohammad Asif (if performing) in England in 2019 unless we have better option than him.


We cannot discard Wahab from our ODI team atleast till the champions trophy or at maximum next 1 year unless Amad Butt becomes very special by than. And wrt T20's it will all depend upon how Wahab does in this T20 worldcup.


You only discard current players unless you get better options. Brett Lee retired after he saw rise of Cummins & Pattinson phenomenon.

 

[New Yorker]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

We will need 34 years old Wahab (if he retains his pace) in England in 2019 unless by that time Amad Butt has developed into 150kph bowler or these new finds (Muhammad Bilal, Bilal Shah or Mohammad Zahid) have not become a force to reckon with.


Similarly we will need 36 years old Mohammad Asif (if performing) in England in 2019 unless we have better option than him.


We cannot discard Wahab from our ODI team atleast till the champions trophy or at maximum next 1 year unless Amad Butt becomes very special by than. And wrt T20's it will all depend upon how Wahab does in this T20 worldcup.


You only discard current players unless you get better options. Brett Lee retired after he saw rise of Cummins & Pattinson phenomenon.

Sami also had 5 wickets on debut. Wahab is simply not consistent enough across on Test match to run through
a side. He can shake things up but that is it.

And as long as Wahab and Irfan are playing, how will you find a place to try someone new? In Australia if you do well in domestics you put pressure on incumbents.

But in Pakistan, even though Wahab has much worse domestic stats than about 5-6 younger bowlers, we stick with the tried and neither-failed-nor-successful.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Sami also had 5 wickets on debut. Wahab is simply not consistent enough across on Test match to run through
a side. He can shake things up but that is it.

And as long as Wahab and Irfan are playing, how will you find a place to try someone new? In Australia if you do well in domestics you put pressure on incumbents.

But in Pakistan, even though Wahab has much worse domestic stats than about 5-6 younger bowlers, we stick with the tried and neither-failed-nor-successful.

But we have already agreed after long conversations that once again Sadaf Hussain is looming around Pakistan A and if he tours England with Pakistan A which is highly likely if he remains fit than the probability of him being top wicket taker from both sides is immense especially in those conditions. And than he will be selected for Pakistan team test and odi tour of England or even both. And history tells us that for England tour we select not 16 or 17 but 19 to 21 players (see 2006 and 2010 touring squads)

So than we can debate at that time that who should be dropped from Pakistan squad whether it's Wahab, Irfan, Rahat, Ehsan or whosoever.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Needs to be used better in ODIs and T20s and only used at the end of the inns or middle end of the inns, he always seems to be wayward and go for runs if hes used early on.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And still there are some PPers who will have you believe that Wahab will run through batting line ups (India in this case) for fun, given a pacer friendly tracks like the ones we are seeing in the current Asia Cup games.

IMHO, he is living on that one supposedly magical (can also be read as moral victory) spell he bowled against a batsman who was in his last legs of intnl career in WC2015. A comeback bowler Sami out-bowled him along with the fading Irfan (wasn't in greatest of forms recently before the last night game)

He's a wicket taker so it's not that ludicrous to think he will run through sides. On his day he can do that. Unfortunately he's also a bit wild, not that dissimilar to Shaun Tait who looked awesome in some spells in the PSL, but was wayward the rest of the time. Pakistan would probably get more from someone like Aizaz Cheema on a consistent basis. Not as fast, but can at least put the ball in the right channels.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He's a wicket taker so it's not that ludicrous to think he will run through sides. On his day he can do that. Unfortunately he's also a bit wild, not that dissimilar to Shaun Tait who looked awesome in some spells in the PSL, but was wayward the rest of the time. Pakistan would probably get more from someone like Aizaz Cheema on a consistent basis. Not as fast, but can at least put the ball in the right channels.

Tait can actually swing the new ball though. Wahabs lack of lateral movement is a massive disadvantage especially in LOIs where a ball is only 25 overs old Max.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Tait can actually swing the new ball though. Wahabs lack of lateral movement is a massive disadvantage especially in LOIs where a ball is only 25 overs old Max.

I agree, but Wahab is still dangerous with the new ball if only because of the bounce and angle he generates as a left armer. We have the same problem with Irfan. Can be unplayable if he gets his line right, but is often a liability when he doesn't. Pakistan has a very hit and miss pace attack.

 

[hur rizvi]

Today Wahab is "Dropped and Furious"

 

[BaaliSoda]

He's a wicket taker so it's not that ludicrous to think he will run through sides. On his day he can do that. Unfortunately he's also a bit wild, not that dissimilar to Shaun Tait who looked awesome in some spells in the PSL, but was wayward the rest of the time. Pakistan would probably get more from someone like Aizaz Cheema on a consistent basis. Not as fast, but can at least put the ball in the right channels.

Totally agree with you, captain. Wahab is way too risky proposition for containment or defending small targets just like Tait. I felt even the much maligned (herein PP) Anwar ali would have been more effective against Indian batting on that track. As soon as Wahab came to bowl, the pressure was released for Indian batsmen.

Instead of Aizaz, I would go with Junaid who looked good (from few games that I had seen him bowl) in PSL.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

And [MENTION=139754]New Yorker[/MENTION] brother

Sami is a history as far as Odi cricket is concerned.

Irfan also cannot play next worldcup. So he is also on his last legs surely.

Regarding Wahab I would replace him with an out and out fast bowler who mainly averages 140+. Now in future that can be Amad Butt or any of the two Bilal's or Zahid (provided they impress in domestic & Pakistan A squads)

You have got to have atleast one genuine speedster in your sqaud of 16 having ability to bowl few over 92 mph.

whereas I would like to replace Rahat in odis with Sadaf Hussain and Ehsan Adil with Hasan Ali.

And meanwhile I would want Shehzad Azam, Majid Ali, Ali Imran Pasha & Altaf Ahmed Khan to be groomed in Pakistan A and select the best one amongst them if any of Sadaf, Hasan Ali or Wahab become injured.

And I will select fit & performing Mohammad Asif even until 36 years age for Odis even. Because World cup is in England and no matter how flat the wickets you make in England Quality bowlers will always seam and swing the ball in England and will be wicket takers.

Mohammad Asif in England has Averages 23.22 with a SR of 38 and Eco of 3.66 in 6 odis where he has 9 wickets and this includes spell of 2-10 in 8 overs at Lords. And these 9 wickets includes wickets of Pieterson & Strauss.

So if Asif in 2019 will be fit & performing at that age like McGrath, Walsh & Hadlee than certainly I would want 36 years old Asif to be part of Worldcup squad.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Totally agree with you, captain. Wahab is way too risky proposition for containment or defending small targets just like Tait. I felt even the much maligned (herein PP) Anwar ali would have been more effective against Indian batting on that track. As soon as Wahab came to bowl, the pressure was released for Indian batsmen.

Instead of Aizaz, I would go with Junaid who looked good (from few games that I had seen him bowl) in PSL.

Junaid is also inconsistent. He has the same problem as Anwar Ali, both of them can bowl relatively accurately compared to Irfan and Wahab, but their lack of pace or bounce means that at any time a batsman can just hit through the line if they decide to attack.

I liked the look of Hasan Ali in the couple of matches I saw him bowl in the PSL. I think we will have to groom some new fast bowlers after the world cup.

 

[hur rizvi]

WAhab is not a bowler who can lead an attack


He can be used as an enforcer, and I personally feel he will thrive bowling along with Amir in tests who would make the ball talk more and Wahab will provide edge with venomous Short ball.

Same in ODI, but in T20s Wahab is yet to give any meaningful performance. His line is easier to slog and more often than not he will be expensive.

 

[Square Drive]

Yah expect him to turn up against uae

Its not knee jerk , gets hit for more than 9 rpo more often than not. I dont know what people find him so special in him.

We'll realize his value once we play Tests in the subcontinent again.

 

[Mamoon]

Junaid is also inconsistent. He has the same problem as Anwar Ali, both of them can bowl relatively accurately compared to Irfan and Wahab, but their lack of pace or bounce means that at any time a batsman can just hit through the line if they decide to attack.

I liked the look of Hasan Ali in the couple of matches I saw him bowl in the PSL. I think we will have to groom some new fast bowlers after the world cup.

How quick was Ali? I didn't see much of him, but he did seem to hurry the batsmen a bit. Important thing is to consider who he was bowling to, because today, Malik was beaten comprehensively by 125 kph deliveries in his first over.

Most of our batsmen struggle against anything that would be trundling to world class batsmen.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How quick was Ali? I didn't see much of him, but he did seem to hurry the batsmen a bit. Important thing is to consider who he was bowling to, because today, Malik was beaten comprehensively by 125 kph deliveries in his first over.

Most of our batsmen struggle against anything that would be trundling to world class batsmen.

I don't know his exact speeds because the PSL coverage was patchy on showing the speed gun, but he looked fast through the air, and he did seem to be able to get the ball to seam away which is a rare commodity in Pakistan pacers. I liked what I saw of him because he looks to have a fast bowler's temperament. In comparison, Ehsan Adil who has all the tools and speed necessary to be a success doesn't seem to have any confidence in his own ability.

 

[asyed]

How quick was Ali? I didn't see much of him, but he did seem to hurry the batsmen a bit. Important thing is to consider who he was bowling to, because today, Malik was beaten comprehensively by 125 kph deliveries in his first over.

Most of our batsmen struggle against anything that would be trundling to world class batsmen.

I remembered seeing him bowling in between 135 to 139.

 

[New Yorker]

And [MENTION=139754]New Yorker[/MENTION] brother

Sami is a history as far as Odi cricket is concerned.

Irfan also cannot play next worldcup. So he is also on his last legs surely.

Regarding Wahab I would replace him with an out and out fast bowler who mainly averages 140+. Now in future that can be Amad Butt or any of the two Bilal's or Zahid (provided they impress in domestic & Pakistan A squads)

You have got to have atleast one genuine speedster in your sqaud of 16 having ability to bowl few over 92 mph.

whereas I would like to replace Rahat in odis with Sadaf Hussain and Ehsan Adil with Hasan Ali.

And meanwhile I would want Shehzad Azam, Majid Ali, Ali Imran Pasha & Altaf Ahmed Khan to be groomed in Pakistan A and select the best one amongst them if any of Sadaf, Hasan Ali or Wahab become injured.

And I will select fit & performing Mohammad Asif even until 36 years age for Odis even. Because World cup is in England and no matter how flat the wickets you make in England Quality bowlers will always seam and swing the ball in England and will be wicket takers.

Mohammad Asif in England has Averages 23.22 with a SR of 38 and Eco of 3.66 in 6 odis where he has 9 wickets and this includes spell of 2-10 in 8 overs at Lords. And these 9 wickets includes wickets of Pieterson & Strauss.

So if Asif in 2019 will be fit & performing at that age like McGrath, Walsh & Hadlee than certainly I would want 36 years old Asif to be part of Worldcup squad.

I agree more or less completely brother TS. But with Amir around I don't worry about speed. He will get faster, high 140's quite soon and 150 with the odd delivery, as he did before he was banned. Plenty fast and certainly as good if not better than Wahab on most days.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Should only play on flat tracks(both in ODIs and Tests) as he will be deadly with his pace and reverse swing however but on a green top we have far better options.

Hmm it looks like I was right indeed.

 

[gunner]

And I will select fit & performing Mohammad Asif even until 36 years age for Odis even. Because World cup is in England and no matter how flat the wickets you make in England Quality bowlers will always seam and swing the ball in England and will be wicket takers.

Mohammad Asif in England has Averages 23.22 with a SR of 38 and Eco of 3.66 in 6 odis where he has 9 wickets and this includes spell of 2-10 in 8 overs at Lords. And these 9 wickets includes wickets of Pieterson & Strauss.

So if Asif in 2019 will be fit & performing at that age like McGrath, Walsh & Hadlee than certainly I would want 36 years old Asif to be part of Worldcup squad.

Fully agree. If we have Amir and Asif in the next WC squad, it would be the deadliest attack in recent history.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Without Naming those posters.

Take that.

 

[Saj]

Good pace from Wahab Riaz in that last over:
148kph
140kph
144kph
146kph
144kph
141kph

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Wahab Riaz in England is the biggest certainty of any player Pakistan is taking to England in terms of what he will do.

Will get tonked mostly. Overdo the short pitch or overpitched stuff most of the series. Will do decent in some patches and will have one good five-fer - probably against the run of play.

Question is: Is that Five-fer worth it.

Despite his hunger and gung-ho attitude, he hasn't gained much in cricketing intelligence over all these years. No new tricks, no new incoming balls, afraid to bowl his best delivery - the yorker.

However, given that there is a bit of sameness to our fast attack, he has an important role to play as the enforcer.

 

[MenInG]

Wahab Riaz in England is the biggest certainty of any player Pakistan is taking to England in terms of what he will do.

Will get tonked mostly. Overdo the short pitch or overpitched stuff most of the series. Will do decent in some patches and will have one good five-fer - probably against the run of play.

Question is: Is that Five-fer worth it.

Despite his hunger and gung-ho attitude, he hasn't gained much in cricketing intelligence over all these years. No new tricks, no new incoming balls, afraid to bowl his best delivery - the yorker.

However, given that there is a bit of sameness to our fast attack, he has an important role to play as the enforcer.

Why do we keep on confusing different formats. He is brilliant in Test matches.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Why do we keep on confusing different formats. He is brilliant in Test matches.

I was talking tests.

Last 2 years - 26 wickets in 8 tests @34 - which is also his career average.

Not brilliant by any means, even keeping in view UAE pitches. But good enough.

So to my last point, he has his role as an enforcer.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

UAE tests last 3 years

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Away records for Pakistanis - last 3 years. Wahab does much better. Althought to be fair, away is really sub continent. Still gives you hope.

 

[hur rizvi]

Why do we keep on confusing different formats. He is brilliant in Test matches.

Not brilliant but he has a role to play in our test side

 

[MenInG]

Not brilliant but he has a role to play in our test side

he will take wickets at crucial times - thats what I mean and no stats will show you "number of wickets at crucial times"

 

[hur rizvi]

he will take wickets at crucial times - thats what I mean and no stats will show you "number of wickets at crucial times"

Yup he has that ability but along with that he has ability to bowl absolute filth at times. That aspect makes him "not so brilliant" test bowler. He has a role though which is to bowl full tilt in short spells and target heads of people like Mo. Ali and Broad who are weak against short ball and he can also run through tail which is very important and can be a major difference between win and loss.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

What was his fastest bowl yesterday ?

I saw his 1 over on YouTube and his fastest ball was 85 mph which was very strange for me indeed as it was his last over.