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Wahab Riaz's performance in World Cup tournaments

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Yup he is quite inconsistent but i feel that when it mattered the most wahab is one of those player on whom we can rely.

In Mohali he proved his selection and in Champions trophy he was quite brilliant too was bowling with venom :akhtar

Actually in this era its not easy to avg 23 in Worldcup.

Even against Zim we was almost down and out but it was wahab who saved us.

His overall stats doesnt do justice with him but he is himself to blame

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true gladiators only perform when there is battle intensity and a warrior at the other end challenging them

there are too many meaningless JAMODIs so i don't blame him for not being up for the meaningless games
 
Slap on the face of his haters. I am happy and proud to say I've backed him since day 1. He is a match winner, a fighter and an aggressive cricketer. One of my favourite cricketers from Pakistan. Love his positive intensity with bat, ball and in the field. He truly loves Pakistan and is passionate, this translates into his performance.

He is one who steps up in the big games and has proven that a few times. Lets hope he can take us far in this World Cup.
 
great stats but I would say they could have been even better but for our fielding being atrocious and our batting is the worst ever so puts no scoreboard pressure on the opposition
 
Going by the logic of the posters above Wahab should be selected only for the World Cup
 
Probably won't be around for 2019, since he's already 29. Good numbers though, he's a bit like umar Gul in this regard who has also been excellent in World Cups of any nature.
 
Bilal7 said:
Probably won't be around for 2019, since he's already 29. Good numbers though, he's a bit like umar Gul in this regard who has also been excellent in World Cups of any nature.
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Gul has been excellent in World Cups. I remember posting 4 years ago Gul will win us 2015 World Cup but sadly he was injured and out.

Bad thing for Gul is people only remember how he was dealt with by Sehwag.

And Wahab will be 33 once the next World Cup arrives. Not a bad age. I think he will retire once that World Cup is over.
 
Most fastmen peak at around 32, so Riaz will be near his peak in 2019 world cup. And, he is a physically fit person, not like Shoaib Akhtar and Abdur-Razzaq, who lacked fitness even at younger age.
 
He can mature his batting by 2019 and use his experience with bowling even though pace will be down
We will have enough pace from Aamir inshallah
 
I love his attitude, and he's comfortably my favourite pacer in the team and has been for a while. Been calling for him to be a permanent fixture in all three formats for a long time now.

He is a throwback, lionhearted Pakistani cricketer who is always going to give 100% and someone who would bend his back in scorching heat and bowl 150 kph spells, running himself into the ground before giving up - someone who will play through pain but not back out.

This is the type of characters you need in the team.

But that's that - unfortunately, it is delusional to think that he's going from strength-to-strength and proving his 'haters' wrong, and there are no shortage of delusions either.

I have been at loggerheads with his haters for a long time, but they have a good case too - given his skill-set and his age, we have seen what he is all about - a hit-and-miss bowler who will run through a line up once/twice in 10 games, and be on the bring of getting carted in the rest of the matches.

Still, due to his all-round qualities, I'd take him over the heavily overrated duo of Junaid and Irfan any day. His fantastic fielding and ability to bat provide great utility to the team.

For his non-bowling skills alone, he is worth twice as much as the 7-footed liability who costs the team 15-20 runs in the field and is the worst number 11 in the world, to complement his mediocre bowling and fitness levels that'd make a 90 year grandma proud.

The notion of him captaining the team post-World Cup is a joke though, but not unexpected unfortunately.
 
Wait till Riaz has a bad day and Mamoon jumps off his bandwagon and becomes his biggest detractor..
 
Syed1 said:
Wait till Riaz has a bad day and Mamoon jumps off his bandwagon and becomes his biggest detractor..
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Or how about you skim through Wahab's 6-7 month old threads or even 2 years ago when he was going through his worst patch.

You are new here with little prior information - don't get ahead of yourself.
 
Bilal7 said:
Probably won't be around for 2019, since he's already 29. Good numbers though, he's a bit like umar Gul in this regard who has also been excellent in World Cups of any nature.
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He'll be 33 in 2019, why wouldn't he be around?
 
muhammad saad said:
Wish he could move the ball , would have been more lethal.
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He was never meant to move the ball.

He generates pace with is shoulders and chest, which means he doesn't use his wrists much and his arm speed is actually slower than that of someone like Wasim Akram, who wasn't as quick in the last half of his career. Swing is generated from the wrist.

Unfortunately for a bowler like him, margin of error isn't great which is why he's hit-and-miss.

Fantastic to watch though, and great attitude.
 
Mamoon said:
He was never meant to move the ball.

He generates pace with is shoulders and chest, which means he doesn't use his wrists much and his arm speed is actually slower than that of someone like Wasim Akram, who wasn't as quick in the last half of his career. Swing is generated from the wrist.

Unfortunately for a bowler like him, margin of error isn't great which is why he's hit-and-miss.

Fantastic to watch though, and great attitude.
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Dude! I respect ur observations and intellect but u aren't a bowler,so ur technical analysis ain't correct.
Wahab's issue is that he is not stable during the delivery stride. He doesn't get to use his non bowling arm to full effect because of that.
As a result he has to push the bowling arm through .
This is the reason why he also has problems of running on to the danger area.
His wrist position is a product of his instability at the crease.
He isn't able to get inswing to the righties and whereas for the lefties he uses his body and angle to to make the ball leave them
To generate inswing to the righties, one has to twist the wrist in a curvy motion at the top and this requires a lot of precision but unfortunately he isn't able to do so coz of the errors pointed above.
 
I have noticed a trend in Wahab's bowling. His initial spells are bowled at quite a gentle pace and he looks harmless.

But the moment he comes to bowl at death, he adds 5 miles to the pace and becomes twice as effective.

I think it will be better if he bowls flat-out from beginning.
 
axl100mph said:
Dude! I respect ur observations and intellect but u aren't a bowler,so ur technical analysis ain't correct.
Wahab's issue is that he is not stable during the delivery stride. He doesn't get to use his non bowling arm to full effect because of that.
As a result he has to push the bowling arm through .
This is the reason why he also has problems of running on to the danger area.
His wrist position is a product of his instability at the crease.
He isn't able to get inswing to the righties and whereas for the lefties he uses his body and angle to to make the ball leave them
To generate inswing to the righties, one has to twist the wrist in a curvy motion at the top and this requires a lot of precision but unfortunately he isn't able to do so coz of the errors pointed above.
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Good analysis
 
Overrated by some. I liked him early in his career when he could reverse swing but I don't think he has in him to bother any good team.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Overrated by some. I liked him early in his career when he could reverse swing but I don't think he has in him to bother any good team.
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It's clear that he can't get inswing to the RHB but if he can develop his batting a bit more, we might have a genuine all rounder on our hands that we hv missed so much
 
A bowler who can't swing is only half a bowler , even if pace is 10 kph down and can swing it both ways ..he would be much more lethal.

But beggars are no choosers
 
JibranAnsari said:
A bowler who can't swing is only half a bowler , even if pace is 10 kph down and can swing it both ways ..he would be much more lethal.

But beggars are no choosers
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Agree with u a 100%. U need both swings at this level if u yearn to compete. This is the problem with wahab. He has everything else barting the inswing.
With no inswing, he cant be a genuine wicket taking option. Therefore, he has to become moreof a utility cticketer and play the role that razzaq played. He has batting ability but he seriously needs to hone it and take it as a job rather than an 'add on' to his 'reportoire' as a player
 
Electron said:
I have noticed a trend in Wahab's bowling. His initial spells are bowled at quite a gentle pace and he looks harmless.

But the moment he comes to bowl at death, he adds 5 miles to the pace and becomes twice as effective.

I think it will be better if he bowls flat-out from beginning.
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This is only partly correct.It is true that he is slower in his initial spell but that is not exactly harmless.He bowls a fair few deliveries in at 136-138 kph but even then he often bowls 139-142 kph.
Later on,in the death and middle overs, his pace noticeably jumps past 145 kph.
 
slice said:
This is only partly correct.It is true that he is slower in his initial spell but that is not exactly harmless.He bowls a fair few deliveries in at 136-138 kph but even then he often bowls 139-142 kph.
Later on,in the death and middle overs, his pace noticeably jumps past 145 kph.
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Because he doesn't move the ball and isn't even tall, so his 136-142 spells are not very threatening.
Only time I wish we had a bowler like Wahab is when I see him bowling his final spell. I would love it if he bowls like this all the time.
 
Electron said:
Because he doesn't move the ball and isn't even tall, so his 136-142 spells are not very threatening.
Only time I wish we had a bowler like Wahab is when I see him bowling his final spell. I would love it if he bowls like this all the time.
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He is like 6-3,6-4 and sure gets good bounce as he likes to bang the ball in.For some reason this bounce goes uncredited.
 
axl100mph said:
Dude! I respect ur observations and intellect but u aren't a bowler,so ur technical analysis ain't correct.
Wahab's issue is that he is not stable during the delivery stride. He doesn't get to use his non bowling arm to full effect because of that.
As a result he has to push the bowling arm through .
This is the reason why he also has problems of running on to the danger area.
His wrist position is a product of his instability at the crease.
He isn't able to get inswing to the righties and whereas for the lefties he uses his body and angle to to make the ball leave them
To generate inswing to the righties, one has to twist the wrist in a curvy motion at the top and this requires a lot of precision but unfortunately he isn't able to do so coz of the errors pointed above.
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Wrong analysis.

His wrist position is wrong fundamentally due to him using his left shoulder and upper body to generate pace, which is why he opens up at the time of delivery.

When he opens his upper body, he has to deliver the ball at an angle, which is why his seam points at the first slip at the time of delivery. Since he bowls at angle, he tends to run into the danger zone in his follow through.
 
its not necessary that everyone generates pace from same parts of his arm
some people generate it from arm + wrist
others due to more arm speed+ wrist
some are skinny yet they are fast

he can learn to swing it at pace but he needs to train and get guidance from Wasim Akram
Such that he is up to it
 
Bilal7 said:
Probably won't be around for 2019, since he's already 29. Good numbers though, he's a bit like umar Gul in this regard who has also been excellent in World Cups of any nature.
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Damn, I thought he was like 24-25.
 
razabbas said:
Yup he is quite inconsistent but i feel that when it mattered the most wahab is one of those player on whom we can rely.

In Mohali he proved his selection and in Champions trophy he was quite brilliant too was bowling with venom :akhtar

Actually in this era its not easy to avg 23 in Worldcup.

Even against Zim we was almost down and out but it was wahab who saved us.

His overall stats doesnt do justice with him but he is himself to blame

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Excellent stats by wahab, he has been impressive in ICC world cup events.
 
Told everyone two years ago that he is our best fast bowler and should be backed. He's prone to getting whacked but he's lethal on his day.

Was laughed at and called an attention seeker. Humble pie?

:wahab
 
100% trier, gives his all and goes for wickets. He may leak runs, but can win you matches. He has been very impressive this WC. His wicket of Amla started a slide for SA today.
 
He's a confidence bowler who needs to be handled carefully.
 
Like his attitude. Felt he was going soft by smiling all the time but the hostility is back. Also, his batting is underrated.
 
Wahab bowled a ferocious spell Today.

It was really quick stuff from him.


He took 5 wickets.



Pakistan are going to take 17-18 players to England. Even if He doesn’t make 15 I am sure he will be part of the group of 17-18 players if he delivers another spell like Today in upcoming Pakistan Cup matches.



Inzaman and Mickey should not announce Pakistan WC squad before the completion of Pakistan One Day Cup.
 
he is a big match performer.

i guess the ct 2017 wasn't as big of an occasion for him.
 
I have never particularly rated Wahab, and still don't, but at this point in time I am in favour of his selection for the world cup and I have said this in a few threads recently.

Yes he is a spray gun at his worst, but the alternatives are also erratic and have less pace. The only bowlers with any control bowl in the 130's like Abbas and Junaid, and that means they are likely to get blasted in the last 10 overs as happened predictably in the recent series against Australia.

Wahab offers genuine pace, and is the only Pakistan bowler who does so, and he can be a decent death overs bowler. I don't think any of the others have this quality.
 
hadi123 said:
Please keep him out of the team
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Why not give yourself the option of a !50kph fast bowler when there aren't really any genuine fast bowlers in the squad? I suppose you could argue that Shaheen Afridi comes into that category, but even he is not out and out pace.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Why not give yourself the option of a !50kph fast bowler when there aren't really any genuine fast bowlers in the squad? I suppose you could argue that Shaheen Afridi comes into that category, but even he is not out and out pace.
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He's quick but that's it. He's an absolutely awful bowler without any brains
 
we do need wicket takers.. this coming world cup will be a big scoring one and wickets will be priceless.. don't mind if he goes over 5.5 RPO if he picks up 2-3 wickets along the way.. trundlers wont get you wickets and you wont be able to keep the run rate in check unless you pick wickets..
 
nam said:
we do need wicket takers.. this coming world cup will be a big scoring one and wickets will be priceless.. don't mind if he goes over 5.5 RPO if he picks up 2-3 wickets along the way.. trundlers wont get you wickets and you wont be able to keep the run rate in check unless you pick wickets..
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5.5 is the norm. This guy will go for 9.5 most of the time. 2 wickets with a 9.5 rpo is not great is it?
 
razabbas said:
Yup he is quite inconsistent but i feel that when it mattered the most wahab is one of those player on whom we can rely.

In Mohali he proved his selection and in Champions trophy he was quite brilliant too was bowling with venom :akhtar

Actually in this era its not easy to avg 23 in Worldcup.

Even against Zim we was almost down and out but it was wahab who saved us.

His overall stats doesnt do justice with him but he is himself to blame

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"Does well in big matches excuse" just somehow find its way for underperforming players one way or the other... I first heard it for Shahid Afridi, then Wahab Riaz and now Mohammad Amir.
 
Please someone check stats for highest amount of runs conceded by a bowler in an ODI match, this world cup performer comes in there twice
 
I think he would do okay (but nothing to write home about) however would probably get hammered v India.
 
Forum363 said:
Theyre slower but actually win us games (even if its in the past) and are younger
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Who's won u matches?

Amir can't take a wicket for his life. junaid is just a 130kmph trundler. I can't believe people still rate Junaid. The guy went for 70 in 9 overs and went for like 60 against nz before he got injured.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
5.5 is the norm. This guy will go for 9.5 most of the time. 2 wickets with a 9.5 rpo is not great is it?
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well this debate is now settled isn't it? Wahab not picked in 21 probables.
 
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