Waqar Younis as bowling coach in the 2006 England tour and now the 2020 England tour

[Savak]

He was a full fledged bowling coach in the 2006 England tour where we had bowlers like Sami, Gul, Shahid Nazir, Razzaq, Kaneria. The bowling attack regularly conceeded big runs and the bowlers were ineffective. The only time the Pakistani bowlers finally dismissed England cheaply was when Mohd Asif, Shoaib Akhtar came back into the team and everyone knew that these 2 bowlers were world class where having a bowling coach or not having one makes no difference.

On this tour, while Naseem Shah and Shaheen Shah have looked good in patches but have badly underwhelmed and Abbass has also looked useless after the new ball. Don't think Abbass really needs a bowling coach.

My point is that this is now the second major failure for Waqar as the bowling coach. If he needs world class bowlers to look good then whats the point of keeping him as a bowling coach then?

In his head coaching stints, he got away with the "He is the head coach, he probably doesn't have enough time to focus purely on the bowlers"

 

[MenInG]

Agreed - but then this work needs to be done at the NHPC - not at the national team level

 

[Geil]

I wouldnt be surprised if Naseem Shah, Shaheen Afridi and Hasan Ali career dont survive long enough seeing the previous track record. Waqar Younis or any other coach haven't produce no great pacer (who has taken at-least 200-250 test wickets for pak from 2000).

Some PAK raw promising fast bowlers tests match debut ages from 2000"S era

Age 16-- Naseem Shah
Age 17-- Mohammad Amir
Age 18-- Shaheen Afridi
Age 19-- Gul
Age 20--Ehsan Adil, Sami
Age 21--Mohammad Talha
Age 22--Junaid
Age 23--Hasan Ali, Bilawal Bhatti, Mohammad Asif
Age 25--Wahab Rahat, Yasir Arafat, Naved-ul-Hasan, Sohail Khan
Age 27--Shabbir Ahmed, Imran Khan


Umar Gul, Mohammad Sami, Shabbir Ahmed, , Wahab Riaz, Mohammad Amir, Junaid Khan, Hasan Ali (excluded Mohammad Asif) some notable names who had promising start to their test career. some debuted at young age and some after the age of 23.

The point I am trying to make is young age or older age of 23 or even 25, the coaches/ selectors/ captains
that played with the PAK team in the 2000"s era has absolutely no track record to show any success in providing reliable pacer who has the durability to play for a longer period as well as more number of test matches with good performance for Pak

Forget about transforming an average bowler to a good bowler maybe the planning staff(coaches/ selectors/ captains) might be the bigger reason why Pak is declining and remaining poor in providing reliable, durable good fast bowlers

 

[Infinitee786]

Think this thread is a red herring.

International cricket coaching is not where coaches have access to players season in and season out.

These coaches have access to players for tours which maybe be one to two months and this may only one or two times a year.

You can expect this type of coaching to “transform” players. This type of coaching will be geared towards practice, helping regaining form, polishing techniques and aiding players through the tours in terms of adjusting to conditions etc.

In order to improve bowlers to help them grow and evolve then the coach needs to have access to players throughout the cricketing season and in the off season too. This is where first class coaching will take presedence due to their facilities, coaching staff, more games being played allowing for more data to analyse.

Hopefully with our new first class structure revamp we will see more competition for places, higher quality of cricket and better quality of coaching to allow our grass roots talent to develop and grow and get the correct coaching they need.

The coaching of Waqar Younis will be extremely limited in what they can achieve over a short period of time. This would also apply to the likes of YK and Mushy too.

 

[topspin]

A competent cricket board would never take Waqar Younis. A case in point is when he was rejected by CA for the Australian bowling coach role.

Then you have the PCB who have given him multiple stints (lost count now). It took PCB 3 stints of Javed Miandad to see that he wasn't good enough. We just never learn.