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Waqar Younis: India are a side built on teamwork and they intimidate Pakistan

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In the last few years, there’s been a massive difference India and Pakistan - and again it showed at Old Trafford on Sunday.

Pakistan are still trying to rely on talent alone, while with India it’s all about teamwork. They all know their roles, and they execute them superbly.

We had good sides in the 1990s, but now I think this India team intimidates Pakistan.

When Pakistan teams head into these games, they are always under pressure and feel like they’re the weaker team.

That culture needs to change first, and then the fitness level needs to match the Indian players.

Of course, Sarfaraz got it wrong at the toss; especially when you’re playing two spinners and you decide to bowl first.

More than that though, I feel that they got it wrong with the ball in hand. They struggled to put the ball in good areas on a regular basis, and it was easy pickings for the Indian batsmen.

India have very classy batsmen, let’s not forget. They wait for the bad ball, and didn’t have to do much against the Pakistan attack given the inconsistency in the length.

Mohammad Amir was the only one who created a bit of pressure by bowling a good length.

I feel English conditions actually suit him the most because there’s always something there for him. He knows how to bowl on these pitches.

Amir has come back with a bang and he’s now bowling really well, finding a nice rhythm.

But elsewhere, that venom is not really there and the pace is down.

I would now try and bring one of the youngsters back into the team. In this Pakistan bowling attack, there’s no real pace apart from Wahab.

When you look around at the other teams, they have guys that can bowl 140kph, so maybe Hasnain is the way to go up front with the new ball.

The good thing is Pakistan now have one week off before the next game against South Africa.

They’ll have time to go back and reflect on the mistakes that have been made, and what needs to change.

The South Africans are also down, so it’s a match between two teams that have not really justified their potential yet.

All is not lost, despite the blow of this latest defeat. I feel that if Pakistan win all four games, there’s still a chance they go through.

The chances of that happening are low now, but it's simply a case of starting to win games first and then see where you are later in the tournament.

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Expected comments after the match, if by any chance Pakistan had won same experts would be praising sarfraz left, right and center.
 
Even the great teams of 90s lost to India in world cup matches. Waqar himself must know this very well given how he was handled by Ajay Jadeja at Bangalore, 1996.
 
Even the great teams of 90s lost to India in world cup matches. Waqar himself must know this very well given how he was handled by Ajay Jadeja at Bangalore, 1996.

Yes that is true. But we haven't won many other games either. 1 game in last 15 ODIs.
I'm pretty sure we haven't been that bad in the past.
 
Even the great teams of 90s lost to India in world cup matches. Waqar himself must know this very well given how he was handled by Ajay Jadeja at Bangalore, 1996.

They lost to India yes but they won most things that mattered as compared to India, Won test series in India more than once, Won 92 WC and got to the final in 99. So those defeats didnt matter much.
 
Even the great teams of 90s lost to India in world cup matches. Waqar himself must know this very well given how he was handled by Ajay Jadeja at Bangalore, 1996.

But at least what waqar did to jadeja after that match healed the fans to an extent. This team will lose 8-9 games out of 10 to India.
Its not just about WCs its about the state of pak cricket right now
 
It’s true tho. We used to be a better team in the 80s and 90s, not anymore tho. We’ve regressed to such a point where i’m not even sure whether or not we’ll beat Afghanistan.
 
Its not just India, current Pak team is being intimidated by most opponents as the record of last couple of years speaks for itself.
 
But at least what waqar did to jadeja after that match healed the fans to an extent. This team will lose 8-9 games out of 10 to India.
Its not just about WCs its about the state of pak cricket right now

Waqar was hammered in Centurian as well 2003 by Sachin. It was he himself whose 2 overs went for 40 runs and he was hammered by Kumble and Jadeja in Bangalore 96. Score was 235 in 47 overs. His 2 overs went for 40. It became 287.
Pak scored 248 in that game in 49 overs.
His 2 overs also costed pakistan in deduction of 1 over. So pak had to chase 287 in 49 overs.
 
Expected comments after the match, if by any chance Pakistan had won same experts would be praising sarfraz left, right and center.

See if pak had won again it is upset only. Pak ODI's record tells everything.
Consistency comes from big teams.
I am not going to previous tours, just see the win/loss percentage of pak from world Cup
 
Pakistan losing to India shouldn't get really get any heads rolling. Given Pakistan's ODI ranking losing only to Bangladesh, Afghanistan etc. should elicit such a strong reaction.

E.g. Pakistan should rather think why they lost under 15 overs to WI.
 
See if pak had won again it is upset only. Pak ODI's record tells everything.
Consistency comes from big teams.
I am not going to previous tours, just see the win/loss percentage of pak from world Cup

WC only happens every 4 years and there have been only 7 matches so far and in atleast 2 occasions Pakistan actually managed to get to the final at the expense of India and once won it.. The over all record is actually in Pakistan favor. And when it comes to proper cricket Pakistan are ahead even in tests. But I was only talking about the expected reactions by so called experts, if they are such an experts they should know that India was always favorites to win anyway.
 
Pakistan losing to India shouldn't get really get any heads rolling. Given Pakistan's ODI ranking losing only to Bangladesh, Afghanistan etc. should elicit such a strong reaction.

E.g. Pakistan should rather think why they lost under 15 overs to WI.

Exactly my point I can understand public anger etc but experts should know India are at present favorites to win the WC along with England let alone winning against Pakistan.
 
Pakistan losing to India shouldn't get really get any heads rolling. Given Pakistan's ODI ranking losing only to Bangladesh, Afghanistan etc. should elicit such a strong reaction.

E.g. Pakistan should rather think why they lost under 15 overs to WI.

Yes. That is correct. India beat Australia, SA as well. But Pakistan losing to Windies should see some heads roll.
 
Even the great teams of 90s lost to India in world cup matches. Waqar himself must know this very well given how he was handled by Ajay Jadeja at Bangalore, 1996.

Except that '96 game, Pakistan massively dominated India in the '90s. The '92 and '99 India wins don't count for much because Pakistan went on to win or reach the finals. But it was not some even contest for the rest of the decade; Pakistan was incredibly and repeatedly dominant. Think of the '91 Wills Cup, the Coca Cola Cup in Sharjah, the Triangular in Australia in 2000, and most illustratively, the ODI series held in India right before the '99 WC. In that series, playing in India, Pakistan convincingly thrashed India repeatedly. Add to this the 4-1 Sahara Cup in Amir Sohail's captaincy, and of course that Ijaz Ahmad smacking in Lahore. So the India wins in the '90s, used to be anomalies, including in WC, while the norm in tournaments and bilateral series used to be repeated Pakistan dominance, in finals and otherwise. The pendulum has shifted of course but just clearing the record that there was a time of supreme Pakistan dominance.
 
Waqar was hammered in Centurian as well 2003 by Sachin. It was he himself whose 2 overs went for 40 runs and he was hammered by Kumble and Jadeja in Bangalore 96. Score was 235 in 47 overs. His 2 overs went for 40. It became 287.
Pak scored 248 in that game in 49 overs.
His 2 overs also costed pakistan in deduction of 1 over. So pak had to chase 287 in 49 overs.
Doesn’t matter. Cricket is not just WC otherwise all other matches should be canceled

Over 10 matches in that period Pakistan would generally win more than half but now it would likely lost 8-9 times out of 10
 
No.Its not about intimidation.
No team intimidates Pakistan.If they were so intimitdated they wouldn't go making statements like 'We can exploit the chinks in India's armor' or 'teams are scared of us'.
They are just an incompetent bunch who think highly of themselves.
 
Its not just India, current Pak team is being intimidated by most opponents as the record of last couple of years speaks for itself.

Yeah, which suggests maybe the team is just not that good. Waqar is just a bit dumb so can't really give proper analysis so ends up using terms like intimidated.
 
The gulf is huge.

There is no comparison between the players or the teams.

In a way it's good that India is not playing Pakistan on a regular basis these days.
 
The gulf is huge.

There is no comparison between the players or the teams.

In a way it's good that India is not playing Pakistan on a regular basis these days.

Yes. Saves us from constant embarrasment. I really hope we can get better soon and match up to India. It used to be so fun watching Pakistan playing against India before when we actually dominated them or at least could compete with them.
 
They are not really intimidating. They just play professional cricket. If anything India is the least intimidating among top teams. THey do things methodically. Things just happen.
 
The gulf is huge.

There is no comparison between the players or the teams.

In a way it's good that India is not playing Pakistan on a regular basis these days.
Everyone is on the hype train!
India are avery good team, no doubt, with 5 world class players - kohli, sharma, dhawan, bumra and kuldeep yadav.
The rest of the players are just average.
Pakistan has 3 world class players in amir, fakhar and babar. The rest are just average players.
So not a huge gulf but more to do with mentality!
PROOF: Bangladesh will push india to the limit, in their group game, just wait and see!
Bangladesh show no fear of india and our team are shaking before the match has even started!
 
Post 2000 in ODIs:

Pakistan 26
India 28

Not a gulf at all, and far from intimidation, and SRT should look at the numbers.

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Ridiculous. Why no one is taking defeat vs WI seriously? I think defeat vs WI was bigger than india.
 
Post 2000 in ODIs:

Pakistan 26
India 28

Not a gulf at all, and far from intimidation, and SRT should look at the numbers.

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Look up post 2010 and see how big the gap is. The only reason we are ahead of India in ODI wins 72-55 and Test wins 12-9 is because of our good teams in 80s and 90s and to some extent the early 2000s.
 
Yes. Saves us from constant embarrasment. I really hope we can get better soon and match up to India. It used to be so fun watching Pakistan playing against India before when we actually dominated them or at least could compete with them.

That is my problem, there really shouldn't be any embarrassment involved. You would only be embarrassed if both sides were equal, if one is on a different level then what is there to be embarrassed about in losing?

If anything India should be scared of being embarrassed. Pakistanis have a totally wrong attitude to these games. Should go out and play with a sense of adventure, let India worry about losing.
 
Bilateral matches do not count when talking about world cup match results. If bilateral matches and world cup matches were similar then South Africa would have won a few world cups by now.

Even in case of India vs Pakistan, we can see that Pakistani wins against India in bilateral matches and Sharjah have not helped their cause any in their performance against India in world cup.
 
No.Its not about intimidation.
No team intimidates Pakistan.If they were so intimitdated they wouldn't go making statements like 'We can exploit the chinks in India's armor' or 'teams are scared of us'.
They are just an incompetent bunch who think highly of themselves.

Quite the contrary, its likely that pakistani players (especially the younger players) feel nervous and intimidated and make such statements as a show of false bravado to overcompensate for their nervousness (or indulge in needless cringeworthy antics like Hassan Ali clowning at the Wagah border). Sohail Khan's 'Kohli hoga apne ghar ka Kohli' is another case in point.
 
I agree with Waqar, Pakistan were intimidated by the Indian team and it showed in their performance and body language.

Pakistan lost in the past to India but weren't intimidated especially with players like Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Inzamam, Shahid Afridi around.
 
The gulf started in 2006. In the last 13 years, Pakistan has been a terrible ODI side against top 8,9 sides . India has been much better .

It will get worse for us. Because the big three stuff (which is NOT responsible for us being rubbish) will mean we play 12 Odis against Sri Lanka, Zim, Netherlands, Ireland over a 24 month period after the World Cup.
India will okay about 15 Odis in six months against tough teams.
I want to reemphasize that I am not blaming the big three for our doldrums, just pointing out how difficult it will be to gauge our redevelopment post World Cup.
Why is that important? For example Shoaib Malik’s entire comeback with seven fugue and strike rate coincided with a period of us playing zim and Sl for the most part.
Post World Cup we will see Umar akmal and Ahmed shehzad come back and fill their boots with soft runs against lowly opposition and then we will be exposed when the first major tournament comes around
 
The problem is simple!
Pakistan are intimidated by india for one reason - Pakistan does not have a strike bowler who can take early wickets!
Pak bowlers are old ball bowlers, and by the time the ball gets old, india's top 3 have already scored 300+ runs!
The answer is haris rauf!
Now he is not here, so use M. hasnain, he may go for a few runs but he will get you a couple of early wickets! Just make sure you give him 2 slip fielders and keep them there , even if he goes for alot of runs!
I had said to play husnain instead of shadab inthe pre match thread for india vs pak.
Against SA, keep shadab and replace hassan with husanain and obviously replace malik with haris.
Its not difficult!
 
Quite the contrary, its likely that pakistani players (especially the younger players) feel nervous and intimidated and make such statements as a show of false bravado to overcompensate for their nervousness (or indulge in needless cringeworthy antics like Hassan Ali clowning at the Wagah border). Sohail Khan's 'Kohli hoga apne ghar ka Kohli' is another case in point.

Actually these are the statements by the captain himself.
I personally feel some of them overestimate themselves and its a case of big headedness.And even the humiliation,time and again, isnt doing a good job of bringing some of them back to Earth to allow space for intimidation.
 
Pakistan has to walk into every match as underdogs and try to surprise themselves until winning becomes a habit. I don't say players under-estimate weaker teams. But fans certainly assume wins against certain teams is automatic. West Indies, Afghanistan, Bangladesh.
 
That’s so obvious. Nothing new. Our players start pissing their pants when they see Indian players. These players can only sledge Afghani and Canadian players. Coward bunch.
 
The gulf is huge.

There is no comparison between the players or the teams.

In a way it's good that India is not playing Pakistan on a regular basis these days.

I am not sure if that is a good thing. Yes our Win/Loss ratio will go for a toss but i am a firm believer is that constantly playing against the best players is only beneficial for you as a player in the long run. In fact continuous India Pakistan games can help Pakistani players get over the fear of playing against India and give them a good insight into their bowlers and batsmen.

Playing continuously against Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, West Indies is what has hurt Pakistan Cricket immensely in the long run, we need to start playing continuous cricket against the best
 
They lost to India yes but they won most things that mattered as compared to India, Won test series in India more than once, Won 92 WC and got to the final in 99. So those defeats didnt matter much.
When did Pakistan win test series in India in '90s?
 
When did Pakistan win test series in India in '90s?

Pakistan won in India 87 - drew in 99 in India - wont the test championship (cant remember the year). Won pepsi cup in India. We won most things that mattered against India.
 
Pakistan won in India 87 - drew in 99 in India - wont the test championship (cant remember the year). Won pepsi cup in India. We won most things that mattered against India.

Pakistan played 3 Test Matches in India in early 1999. However 3rd Test later on became part of Asian Test Championship. Therefore Legally as per history books the Test series only composed of 2 Matches, which was drawn 1-1.
But Pakistan did win Asian test championship Test match. So morally Pakistan won 2 Tests out of 3 against India in India. Legally Asian Test Championship Match is considered part of Tournament, therefore it was not series. But we can say that Pakistan did better than india in test arena throughout 1980's and late 1990's.
 
As for records, If Pakistan plays India in World Cup Final in India in 2023 and beats them, that will takeaway all 8 loses (8th once India beats them in group stage in 2023).

I can give you funny statistic. West Indies has lost 6-7 times to England in World cup matches. However the only match which West Indies won against England was 1979 World cup final.

Pakistan has generally done better in Finals against India. even T20 2007 final was very close. But 2017 champions trophy final was one sided. 1986 and 1994 Australasia cup finals were close too. sharjah cup final 1991 would have been close, if hat trick was not there.

Numerically Pakistan may not catch over india on 7-0 statistic. The best way to do is to hope they meet in world cup final 2023 and Pakistan triumphs.

Technically India did the same to Pakistan. They had terrible head to head record against pakistan in 1990's but their world cup wins levelled it and even edged them out. Pakistan pulled it back with 2017 massive Champions trophy win. Misbah the loser could have done even better in 2007 final.

But all is not lost. Beat them in world cup final and khalas end of story and all useless group stage wins will be put to rest.
 
Yep there is no doubt Pakistan dominated India overall between 1986 and 2003. It started with that six by Miandad and ended with the six by Tendulkar.
 
Pakistan has to walk into every match as underdogs and try to surprise themselves until winning becomes a habit. I don't say players under-estimate weaker teams. But fans certainly assume wins against certain teams is automatic. West Indies, Afghanistan, Bangladesh.

Fans are made of the same DNA as the players. That is why assuming underdog status seems to be beneath them, and also why you get problems of unrealistic expectations from what is a relatively mediocre team. Waqar himself seems to have trouble grasping the concept of being a less fancied team, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue.
 
I thought you implied that you won test series in India in '90s.
 
As for records, If Pakistan plays India in World Cup Final in India in 2023 and beats them, that will takeaway all 8 loses (8th once India beats them in group stage in 2023).

I can give you funny statistic. West Indies has lost 6-7 times to England in World cup matches. However the only match which West Indies won against England was 1979 World cup final.

Pakistan has generally done better in Finals against India. even T20 2007 final was very close. But 2017 champions trophy final was one sided. 1986 and 1994 Australasia cup finals were close too. sharjah cup final 1991 would have been close, if hat trick was not there.

Numerically Pakistan may not catch over india on 7-0 statistic. The best way to do is to hope they meet in world cup final 2023 and Pakistan triumphs.

Technically India did the same to Pakistan. They had terrible head to head record against pakistan in 1990's but their world cup wins levelled it and even edged them out. Pakistan pulled it back with 2017 massive Champions trophy win. Misbah the loser could have done even better in 2007 final.

But all is not lost. Beat them in world cup final and khalas end of story and all useless group stage wins will be put to rest.
Yeah, khallas, all these WC wins are useless, you know more about these things than the cricketers themselves.

And T20 WC in '07 was indeed close but who won it in the end?
 
You ask any minnow in world cricket whom would they like to play a full series and I bet most will say Pakistan. Ireland and Afghanistan will give us a run for our money if we were to play a 5 match series with them. May be not so much on talent but definitely on the intimidation factor. And the entire world knows that a Pakistani collapse is just around the corner.

On topic: To be fair to Waqar, when he was forced to resign in 2015 he did make a very solid point when said that we will be sitting criticising a different coach in the future if things don't get sorted in the cricket set-up. And that's exactly what has happened. Fast forward to 2019 and its Mickey. Fast forward to 2023 and it will just another name.

Nobody can predict how long we will continue to survive as a top-tier cricket nation because we have a mediocre and an exposed cricket setup/management but exceptional talent that comes off in short bursts 'on the right day'. Afridi, Gul, Fakhar, Aamir etc. However, in-between the bursts there is usually a big lull which is captured on digital media and goes to every corner of the world and the more people read it, the more negatively it impacts us and the country's image because everything these days is tied to the economy and there's no hiding from that. Don't be shocked if a day comes tomorrow when the PCB is bankrupt and is asking for donations to run the management. The Inzi's and Talat's and Mani's will not come and help then.
 
Pakistan played 3 Test Matches in India in early 1999. However 3rd Test later on became part of Asian Test Championship. Therefore Legally as per history books the Test series only composed of 2 Matches, which was drawn 1-1.
But Pakistan did win Asian test championship Test match. So morally Pakistan won 2 Tests out of 3 against India in India. Legally Asian Test Championship Match is considered part of Tournament, therefore it was not series. But we can say that Pakistan did better than india in test arena throughout 1980's and late 1990's.
Lol at 3rd test 'later' deemed to be part of ATC.
 
On topic, I don't think Pakistan team fears India, just that there is some difference in where these 2 teams stand.
 
Waqar is the one with better cricket IQ than Rambo or Waz and gets to the root of the problem should be our next head coach and given free authority to choose captain and team enough is enough

Bring back Shinwari Nawaz Anwar Ali thats three excellent fielders apart from their primary role unlike crystal fielders as Imams and Imads
 
Met Waqar, Wasim and Ramiz several times through this summer. Waqar has the look of a man who knew this would happen, he has the look of a man who could see this coming.
 
Met Waqar, Wasim and Ramiz several times through this summer. Waqar has the look of a man who knew this would happen, he has the look of a man who could see this coming.

Heard him in the commentary, with Viru n Bhaji.... Felt sad for him as his team was losing.... But yeah you are right, he didn't look like a guy who was surprised that this was happening
 
Met Waqar, Wasim and Ramiz several times through this summer. Waqar has the look of a man who knew this would happen, he has the look of a man who could see this coming.

Lol, he was full of praise for Mickey Arthur and the fact that we had many youngsters in the team after the CT win. To be honest, the Mickey Arthur promises of a ruthless fitness and high performance culture were not adhered to for very long.

Questions have to be asked why did the PCB compromise on these standards and give the players leeway?
 
India in 2019 is a professional outfit which has adopted a ruthless western mindset and attitude. The world has moved on beyond just turning up to the field and playing your natural game without any professional preperation or homework
 
Waqar is the one with better cricket IQ than Rambo or Waz and gets to the root of the problem should be our next head coach and given free authority to choose captain and team enough is enough

Bring back Shinwari Nawaz Anwar Ali thats three excellent fielders apart from their primary role unlike crystal fielders as Imams and Imads

Bringing back players won't do much. The management needs to change, reforms in domestic cricket, more emphasis on FC cricket and more professionalism. Our performance will not become better if our players eat biryani right before the world cup.
 
Pakistan played 3 Test Matches in India in early 1999. However 3rd Test later on became part of Asian Test Championship. Therefore Legally as per history books the Test series only composed of 2 Matches, which was drawn 1-1.
But Pakistan did win Asian test championship Test match. So morally Pakistan won 2 Tests out of 3 against India in India. Legally Asian Test Championship Match is considered part of Tournament, therefore it was not series. But we can say that Pakistan did better than india in test arena throughout 1980's and late 1990's.

Anyway these up and down periods happen in any continuous activity in life. But for now Pakistan is not as strong as India or many other teams for that matter and that needs to be addressed.
 
One needs to look at the interviews of Indian cricketers on YouTube titled breakfast with champions to know that this Indian team is like a family. The amount of respect they have for each other almost seems unreal. Compare it to Pakistan, forget family, they don't even look like a cohesive team. Everyone in the team has his own agenda it seems.
 
One needs to look at the interviews of Indian cricketers on YouTube titled breakfast with champions to know that this Indian team is like a family. The amount of respect they have for each other almost seems unreal. Compare it to Pakistan, forget family, they don't even look like a cohesive team. Everyone in the team has his own agenda it seems.

Seems a bit fake, there are groupings in every team. We're just mediocre.
 
Fitness without skill is useless, England was always fit but only now they have players who can play short formats.That too happened becuase they are expert in poaching players from other countries.
 
It will get worse for us. Because the big three stuff (which is NOT responsible for us being rubbish) will mean we play 12 Odis against Sri Lanka, Zim, Netherlands, Ireland over a 24 month period after the World Cup.
India will okay about 15 Odis in six months against tough teams.
I want to reemphasize that I am not blaming the big three for our doldrums, just pointing out how difficult it will be to gauge our redevelopment post World Cup.
Why is that important? For example Shoaib Malik’s entire comeback with seven fugue and strike rate coincided with a period of us playing zim and Sl for the most part.
Post World Cup we will see Umar akmal and Ahmed shehzad come back and fill their boots with soft runs against lowly opposition and then we will be exposed when the first major tournament comes around

Valid concerns but I think PCB can schedule ODI bilaterals outside of this odi league against top teams as well.
 
It has to start from the captain who has to set a strict example. Someone like Misba? If i remember right Misba when he started his career was a poor player. Wonder why Fawad Alam was never groomed? He has tremendous first class stats. For what its worth they should back a young thinking guy to be the captain
 
You should thank the GOI and BCCI for not allowing bilateral series between the two teams. Otherwise that record would change very quickly.

Correct, Pakistan would beat India.

The last time BCCI/GOI tried a bilateral series was Anne do series in 2012. We all know how that turned out to be. Beating the WC champions back then, at home, 2-1.

So pass on your thanks to the GOI/BCCI.
 
India has learnt from it's mistakes. They have corrected them gradually and are now reaping the benefits. In the 90's India were not that great like they are today. You reap what you sow, we are still in 90's mode. We have not made any progress at all over the last 30 years or so.
 
In which world does Haris Sohail gets dropped for Shoaib Malik? How is Wahab Riaz a better bowler and wicket taker than Shaheen? It's stupid selections like these and Pak had no chance. I don't think anybody is afraid of anybody else. Pak needs players who are not afraid to lose. That's when they play well and win. Like in CT final or the game against England. With Hafeez, Malik, Wahab, hopefully Sarfi gone, Pak can rebuild post world cup. If you want to bat in top 6, you should be able to score a hundred. That's the new mantra. 330+ is common these days and you can't 4ely on top 3 to score a hundred every game.
 
Correct, Pakistan would beat India.

The last time BCCI/GOI tried a bilateral series was Anne do series in 2012. We all know how that turned out to be. Beating the WC champions back then, at home, 2-1.

So pass on your thanks to the GOI/BCCI.

Just like they won in the Asia Cup which was held in the same country that Pakistan has made their home?

Give it up mate :))

You have to go all the way back to 2013. :saslam
 
I would rate now Bangladesh > Pakistan. Bangla are playing some serious cricket in World Cup than Pak.
 
You should thank the GOI and BCCI for not allowing bilateral series between the two teams. Otherwise that record would change very quickly.

A point dhoni has made several times!
If we had a 5 match series ever year for the last decade i.e. 50 games.
I reckon india would have won 35 of those games and pak 15.
Add those to the current head to head of 73 : 55 to pak and you get 88 : 90
Yes india would probably be ahead now in the head to head as well, but only by the odd game. Purely guessing, but i think these are realistic figures.
 
People are confusing the word 'fear' with being cowardly!
Pak team are not cowardly, but the fear is obvious, when they play india!
The "fear" as i have said before in this thread is about who will take EARLY wickets!
All pak bowlers seem to be old ball bowlers! This is good, because you can limit the scoring in the death overs, but if you can't take early wickets, india's top 3 will have already scored 300+ and you are just limiting them to 320/330 with good death bowling, instead of getting 350/360.
Pak needs good new ball bowlers, who can take early wickets and hence limit teams to scores of 220 -280.
I repeat HARIS RAUF!
Hes one and i believe M. Husnain with a bit more experience will be another.
Musa is another to keep an eye on.
But the likes of current amir, hasan and wahab, mean we will struggle against india. Just recall CT17 when old amir blew india's top 3 away, pak easily won after that. Its was great to blow away india's top 3 for virtually nothing, but obviously, that won't happen all the time , but scores of 150 - 180 for 3 in 30 - 33 overs should be aimed for and are realistic.
Honourable mention for usman khan shinwari, had the best bowling stats for pak in last 2 years, WHY WAS HE NOT SELECTED?!!!
 
Pakistan played 3 Test Matches in India in early 1999. However 3rd Test later on became part of Asian Test Championship. Therefore Legally as per history books the Test series only composed of 2 Matches, which was drawn 1-1.
But Pakistan did win Asian test championship Test match. So morally Pakistan won 2 Tests out of 3 against India in India. Legally Asian Test Championship Match is considered part of Tournament, therefore it was not series. But we can say that Pakistan did better than india in test arena throughout 1980's and late 1990's.

The 3rd test didn't become part of Asian test championship later on. It was always meant to be a part of it from the beginning.
 
The 3rd test didn't become part of Asian test championship later on. It was always meant to be a part of it from the beginning.
Have already contested this. Btw, why let facts get in the way of a good story?
 
Except that '96 game, Pakistan massively dominated India in the '90s. The '92 and '99 India wins don't count for much because Pakistan went on to win or reach the finals. But it was not some even contest for the rest of the decade; Pakistan was incredibly and repeatedly dominant. Think of the '91 Wills Cup, the Coca Cola Cup in Sharjah, the Triangular in Australia in 2000, and most illustratively, the ODI series held in India right before the '99 WC. In that series, playing in India, Pakistan convincingly thrashed India repeatedly. Add to this the 4-1 Sahara Cup in Amir Sohail's captaincy, and of course that Ijaz Ahmad smacking in Lahore. So the India wins in the '90s, used to be anomalies, including in WC, while the norm in tournaments and bilateral series used to be repeated Pakistan dominance, in finals and otherwise. The pendulum has shifted of course but just clearing the record that there was a time of supreme Pakistan dominance.

Going 0-3 in the biggest games, and believing there was some sort of "supreme Pakistani dominance" is rather delusional.
 
sensible from Waqar... unlike that tool Moshin Khan who called Indian players "margulle" after getting a spanking from them in Asia cup.
 
Just like they won in the Asia Cup which was held in the same country that Pakistan has made their home?

Give it up mate :))

You have to go all the way back to 2013. :saslam

Asia cup is not a bilateral series. What you going to claim next? Asia cup is a WC? :)))
 
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Asia cup is not a bilateral series. What you going to claim next? Asia cup is a WC? :)))

Of course it isn't a bilateral series, Pakistan would be swept if it was a bilateral series. If the Asia Cup isn't evidence enough then I don't know what will be :))
 
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