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Was Dilip Vengsarkar the best Test batsmen in the world at his peak?

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Dilip Balwant Vengsarkar popularly known as 'Colonel' was truly one of the most impactful or dazzling batsmen in the history of Indian cricket.On his day his batting simply flourished like any great batsmen posessing a great repertoire of strokes At his best he could pulverize the best of pace attacks to the sword .On his day it was one of cricket's most majestic sights watching 'Colonel' drive,pull and hook a cricket ball.Few batsmen ever were as proficient players of the leg drive where he resembled Greg Chappell more than anyone.Also a very fine exponent of the hook and pull shot.No Indian batsmen and very few batsmen in the world had such an outstanding record against the great West Indian pace quartet as Dilip.Vengsarkar also has the unique distinction of scoring 3 consecutive centuries at Lords,the mecca of cricket.Few Asian batsmen were better executioners of the hookshot.At his peak his batting was simply a revelation.In many ways today Indian cricket has forgotten the deeds of this maestro who took batting aestheticism to dazzling heights,posseing an element of genius.



More than the runs it was the circumstances in which he scored them that appealed to fans.At lahore,when every other Indian batsmen floundered Dilip heroically stood up scoring 76 out of a total of 199,driving Imran all around the place.In 1983-83 when Imran launched his blitzkrieg at Karachi capturing 5-3 in a spell Vengskar was the one who stood up like a rock scoring 79.He also scored an epic unbeaten 146 at Delhi against Pakistan at home taking India within touch sight of famous win chasing over 390 runs.In most difficult seaming condition sat Leeds Vengsarkar encountered the moving ball with articulate skill scoring a match-winning unbeaten 102.All his centuries at Lords were scored when the team faced a crisis.In 1979 with Vishy at the other end he ressurected India from the grave to save the test.In 1982 India lost but it was Dilip's herculean 157 that salvaged self -respect for India who seemed doomed to heading towards an innings defeat.In 1986 He brilliantly steered the tail after a middle-order collapse to carve out a crucial 47 run 1st innings lead for India .In 1983-84 in a home serise he topped the batting averages against the great West Indies team averaging 53.12 with brilliant centuries at Delhi and Mumbai.In 1987-88 Vengsarkar averaged over 100 displaying defiance and consistency against great pace rarely witnessed in test cricket.His unbeaten 40 also heroically saved India from the jaws of defeat in the 2nd test at Mumbai.I can hardly recollect an Asian batsmen drive the great West Indies quickies as fluently as 'Colonel.'From June 1986 to March 1988 'Colonel' was the epitome of consistency.,being officially ranked by Deloitte as the best test batsmen in the world.His domination in this period is more than any Indian batting great ever notching up 1751 runs at an average of 92.27 with 8 hundreds.This surpassed Gavaskar's golden era of 1721 runs in 13 test at an average of 86.05 with 7 hundreds. .In my book for a period 'Colonel' was the best batsmen in the world before Javed Miandad's resurgence to form in 1988.No batsmen apart for Dilip averaged over 100 in a series facing the great West Indies pace attack,which is remarkable.Remarkable that Dilip has the highest average ever in a test series in England by an Indian batsmen and the best average against the great Caribaen pace quartet.I doubt many of the modern maestros would have surpassed 'Colonels' performances against.the great Caribbean pacemen.Arguably in his peak Dilip compared with the all-time great batsmen of the game .Amarnath was more solid but still would not drive Imran so fluently as 'Colonel.',as revealed in the home series against Pakistan in 1987.The manner 'Colonel' consistently counter-attacked the likes of Holding and Marshall in 1983-84 and 1987-88 will be permanently embedded in my mind,as even the likes of Gower,Crowe and Miaadad did not equal him in that respect.



Sadly he was never at his best in Australia,inspite of the bouncy wickets suiting his style.Nor did he score single test hundred in West Indies against their attack which he mastered.In many series he lost form giving mere flashes of brilliance like at home against England in 1984-85 or in Pakistan and West Indies in 1982-83.He was overshadowed greatly by Sandeep Patil in Australia in 1980-81 and Mohinder Amarnath in West Indies.He was also not at his best on the offside often moving towards one side when batting.In my view he retired prematurely in the days that Azharuddinn dazzled.



Was 'Colonel' a true batting great?I feel at his best in 1986-88 he was in the class of a Viv Richards ,Greg Chappell or Javed Miandad,when he mercilessly destroyed pace and swing bowling in all conditions.I cant recall a batsmen in the mid 1980's as majestic in executing the drives. ,even if there many technically sounder and artistic batsmen. Vengsrakar scored 6868 runs at an average of 42-14 which is outstanding with 17 centuries.Perhaps inconsistency cost Dilip a place amongst the all-time great batsmen.Facing sheer pace in my view he was a better batsmen than the likes of Mohamad Azharuddin and arguably even Rahul Dravid or Virendra Sehwag.Overall Vengsarkar could compare with batsmen like Zaheer Abbas or David Gower or even Martin Crowe.In todays day and age with wickets so much flatter Vengsarkar might well have averaged around 50.It is suprising that he never scored a double-hundred in his entire test career.To me against genuine pace amongst great Indian batsmen only Tendulkar,Gavaskar,Vishwnath and Amarnath(at his best) rank ahead of 'Colonel."I would have backed Vengsarkar to become an all-time great batsmen in ODI's with his uncanny ability to improvise.
 
Vengsarkar was an excellent player, I saw him play against England in 86, and he was elegant to watch. He scored 2 excellent 100's against a really poor England attack.
 
I believe he did top the charts for a while.

Got three centuries in successive Lord's tests.

Very correct, reminded me of Greg Chappell.
 
For couple of years he was definitely among top few players, topped batting ranking in 1986-87 as well and he was the main stay for Indian lineup at their vulnerable time. I believe, Malcolm Marshall said that the wicket of Dulip was toughest to get for him. Vengsrakar’s problem was that either side of his purple patch, he wasn’t that great and he ended really poor.

He was a brilliant front foot player and a Gregisque driver through covers, played spin really well and his 3 hundreds at Lord’s (& one at Leeds on difficult wicket) suggests he could handle movement as well. May be bounce back as his nemesis, which is predictable because of being developed on Indian patas against military medium pace. I’ll definitely pick him in the Test squad of 1980s, but not sure for overall decade he’ll make the starting XI in 80s, with just 3 middle order spots available (for those great all-rounders, 1980s will have 5+3+2 combination).
 
From the clan of The Great Kars of India.

Savarkar
Solkar
Gavaskar
Achrekar
Tendulkar
Vengasarkar
Manjrekar
Agarkar
 
No. He was a decent batsman who had a monster couple of years in an otherwise merely ok career.

Even likes of Pujara and Rahane will end up being far better players than him.
 
For couple of years he was definitely among top few players, topped batting ranking in 1986-87 as well and he was the main stay for Indian lineup at their vulnerable time. I believe, Malcolm Marshall said that the wicket of Dulip was toughest to get for him. Vengsrakar’s problem was that either side of his purple patch, he wasn’t that great and he ended really poor.

He was a brilliant front foot player and a Gregisque driver through covers, played spin really well and his 3 hundreds at Lord’s (& one at Leeds on difficult wicket) suggests he could handle movement as well. May be bounce back as his nemesis, which is predictable because of being developed on Indian patas against military medium pace. <B>I’ll definitely pick him in the Test squad of 1980s, but not sure for overall decade he’ll make the starting XI in 80s, with just 3 middle order spots available (for those great all-rounders, 1980s will have 5+3+2 combination)</B>.

Didn't get this.
 
Who was the best Vs WI quartet between these three?

Gavaskar
Amaranth
Vengasarkar
 
Thread about Vengsarkar - please stick to topic
 
Didn't get this.

Two openers: between Gooch, Gavaskar, Haynes one and Grineedge

Three middle orders: Javed, AB, Viv

1 WK: easiest call, I’ll take Doujon
3 All-rounders: IK, Hadlee & 1 of Kapil, Botham (probably KD, Botham gradually faded away after 1981 Ashes)
2 specialist Bowlers: MDM, A Qadir

12th man: may be Iqbal Qasim

Other 3 for the squad: back-up opener (one of the 3), back-up Middle order - Martin/Dulip; back-up pacer Wasim.

For a 5-6 Tests series, I’ll pick one extra WK - probably Kirmani in Ian Smith.
 
Vengsarkar was in good form from 1983 to 1987. But he hit peak in 1986 and 1987 where he was far above other batsman.

Batsman with 500+ test runs in 1986-87.
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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DB Vengsarkar (INDIA) [/td][td]17 [/td][td]1668 [/td][td]104.25 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MD Crowe (NZ) [/td][td]13 [/td][td]1136 [/td][td]63.11 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Border (AUS) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]1371 [/td][td]62.31 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar (INDIA) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]1102 [/td][td]55.1 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DM Jones (AUS) [/td][td]11 [/td][td]934 [/td][td]54.94 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Azharuddin (INDIA) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]955 [/td][td]50.26 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes (WI) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]960 [/td][td]48 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards (WI) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]806 [/td][td]47.41 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JV Coney (NZ) [/td][td]9 [/td][td]502 [/td][td]45.63 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) [/td][td]13 [/td][td]534 [/td][td]44.5 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BC Broad (ENG) [/td][td]12 [/td][td]884 [/td][td]44.2 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MW Gatting (ENG) [/td][td]20 [/td][td]1445 [/td][td]43.78 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]953 [/td][td]43.31 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DC Boon (AUS) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]1038 [/td][td]43.25 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Richardson (WI) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]852 [/td][td]42.6 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Amarnath (INDIA) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]832 [/td][td]41.6 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DI Gower (ENG) [/td][td]20 [/td][td]1404 [/td][td]41.29 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad (PAK) [/td][td]18 [/td][td]989 [/td][td]41.2 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JG Wright (NZ) [/td][td]11 [/td][td]807 [/td][td]40.35 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]N Kapil Dev (INDIA) [/td][td]18 [/td][td]766 [/td][td]40.31 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GR Marsh (AUS) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]1040 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan (PAK) [/td][td]16 [/td][td]678 [/td][td]39.88 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GRJ Matthews (AUS) [/td][td]11 [/td][td]511 [/td][td]39.3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saleem Malik (PAK) [/td][td]17 [/td][td]725 [/td][td]38.15 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GA Gooch (ENG) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]944 [/td][td]34.96 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rameez Raja (PAK) [/td][td]16 [/td][td]818 [/td][td]34.08 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GM Ritchie (AUS) [/td][td]11 [/td][td]511 [/td][td]34.06 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]K Srikkanth (INDIA) [/td][td]18 [/td][td]900 [/td][td]33.33 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mudassar Nazar (PAK) [/td][td]13 [/td][td]524 [/td][td]32.75 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Waugh (AUS) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]611 [/td][td]32.15 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Shastri (INDIA) [/td][td]18 [/td][td]601 [/td][td]30.05 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JE Emburey (ENG) [/td][td]21 [/td][td]778 [/td][td]29.92 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IT Botham (ENG) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]648 [/td][td]28.17 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CWJ Athey (ENG) [/td][td]17 [/td][td]797 [/td][td]27.48 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Series breakdown
[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Series [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Bat Av [/td][td]100 [/td][td]Date [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in Australia [/td][td]3 [/td][td]120 [/td][td]60 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]Dec-85 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in England [/td][td]3 [/td][td]360 [/td][td]90 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]Jun-86 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]vs Australia [/td][td]2 [/td][td]186 [/td][td]- [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Sep-86 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]vs Sri Lanka [/td][td]3 [/td][td]376 [/td][td]125.33 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]Dec-86 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]vs Pakistan [/td][td]5 [/td][td]404 [/td][td]67.33 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Feb-87 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]vs West Indies [/td][td]3 [/td][td]305 [/td][td]101.66 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]Nov-87 [/td][/tr]
[/table]
 
Two openers: between Gooch, Gavaskar, Haynes one and Grineedge

Three middle orders: Javed, AB, Viv

1 WK: easiest call, I’ll take Doujon
3 All-rounders: IK, Hadlee & 1 of Kapil, Botham (probably KD, Botham gradually faded away after 1981 Ashes)
2 specialist Bowlers: MDM, A Qadir

12th man: may be Iqbal Qasim

Other 3 for the squad: back-up opener (one of the 3), back-up Middle order - Martin/Dulip; back-up pacer Wasim.

For a 5-6 Tests series, I’ll pick one extra WK - probably Kirmani in Ian Smith.

You mean you will have him in the 15- man squad, fair enough.

I got confused with the playing XI as there are many out there.

Btw, Vengasarkar or Amarnath- who you gonna pick overall?
 
Two openers: between Gooch, Gavaskar, Haynes one and Grineedge

Three middle orders: Javed, AB, Viv

1 WK: easiest call, I’ll take Doujon
3 All-rounders: IK, Hadlee & 1 of Kapil, Botham (probably KD, Botham gradually faded away after 1981 Ashes)
2 specialist Bowlers: MDM, A Qadir

12th man: may be Iqbal Qasim

Other 3 for the squad: back-up opener (one of the 3), back-up Middle order - Martin/Dulip; back-up pacer Wasim.

For a 5-6 Tests series, I’ll pick one extra WK - probably Kirmani in Ian Smith.

Iqbal Qasim? He is the 12th man in your all time best?
 
You mean you will have him in the 15- man squad, fair enough.

I got confused with the playing XI as there are many out there.

Btw, Vengasarkar or Amarnath- who you gonna pick overall?

Still Vengsrakar- Jimmy had a dream 18 months, and he was fortunate that in that window India played in WI & PAK for 11 Tests and a WC as well; but overall his performance wasn’t comparable. In fact, in the return WIN series, just about 6 months after the WC, he had to be dropped after innings of 0,0,0,0,1,0.

But, if I pick players based on their pick 2 years, Amarnath will better many, many ATGs.
 
For couple of years he was definitely among top few players, topped batting ranking in 1986-87 as well and he was the main stay for Indian lineup at their vulnerable time. I believe, Malcolm Marshall said that the wicket of Dulip was toughest to get for him. Vengsrakar’s problem was that either side of his purple patch, he wasn’t that great and he ended really poor.

He was a brilliant front foot player and a Gregisque driver through covers, played spin really well and his 3 hundreds at Lord’s (& one at Leeds on difficult wicket) suggests he could handle movement as well. May be bounce back as his nemesis, which is predictable because of being developed on Indian patas against military medium pace. I’ll definitely pick him in the Test squad of 1980s, but not sure for overall decade he’ll make the starting XI in 80s, with just 3 middle order spots available (for those great all-rounders, 1980s will have 5+3+2 combination).

An all time great?A truly great player of genuine pace?
 
Still Vengsrakar- Jimmy had a dream 18 months, and he was fortunate that in that window India played in WI & PAK for 11 Tests and a WC as well; but overall his performance wasn’t comparable. In fact, in the return WIN series, just about 6 months after the WC, he had to be dropped after innings of 0,0,0,0,1,0.

But, if I pick players based on their pick 2 years, Amarnath will better many, many ATGs.
Totally agree
 
Definitely not. He was a very good batsman while around him were great ones.
 
Two openers: between Gooch, Gavaskar, Haynes one and Grineedge

Three middle orders: Javed, AB, Viv

1 WK: easiest call, I’ll take Doujon
3 All-rounders: IK, Hadlee & 1 of Kapil, Botham (probably KD, Botham gradually faded away after 1981 Ashes)
2 specialist Bowlers: MDM, A Qadir

12th man: may be Iqbal Qasim

Other 3 for the squad: back-up opener (one of the 3), back-up Middle order - Martin/Dulip; back-up pacer Wasim.

For a 5-6 Tests series, I’ll pick one extra WK - probably Kirmani in Ian Smith.
No David Gower? Close to the very best when in form.
 
Iqbal Qasim? He is the 12th man in your all time best?

For the decade of 1980s - yes. That decade there was not many great spinners and Qasim took over 100 wickets at <25 average for the decade of 1980s (starting from 01 Jan 1980). On a turner, they have to play a 2nd spinner, a SLAO one, and IQ was by far the best of the decade.
 
Vengsarkar was in good form from 1983 to 1987. But he hit peak in 1986 and 1987 where he was far above other batsman.

Batsman with 500+ test runs in 1986-87.
[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DB Vengsarkar (INDIA) [/td][td]17 [/td][td]1668 [/td][td]104.25 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MD Crowe (NZ) [/td][td]13 [/td][td]1136 [/td][td]63.11 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Border (AUS) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]1371 [/td][td]62.31 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar (INDIA) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]1102 [/td][td]55.1 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DM Jones (AUS) [/td][td]11 [/td][td]934 [/td][td]54.94 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Azharuddin (INDIA) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]955 [/td][td]50.26 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes (WI) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]960 [/td][td]48 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards (WI) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]806 [/td][td]47.41 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JV Coney (NZ) [/td][td]9 [/td][td]502 [/td][td]45.63 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sir RJ Hadlee (NZ) [/td][td]13 [/td][td]534 [/td][td]44.5 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BC Broad (ENG) [/td][td]12 [/td][td]884 [/td][td]44.2 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MW Gatting (ENG) [/td][td]20 [/td][td]1445 [/td][td]43.78 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge (WI) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]953 [/td][td]43.31 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DC Boon (AUS) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]1038 [/td][td]43.25 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Richardson (WI) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]852 [/td][td]42.6 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Amarnath (INDIA) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]832 [/td][td]41.6 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DI Gower (ENG) [/td][td]20 [/td][td]1404 [/td][td]41.29 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]9 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad (PAK) [/td][td]18 [/td][td]989 [/td][td]41.2 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]7 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JG Wright (NZ) [/td][td]11 [/td][td]807 [/td][td]40.35 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]N Kapil Dev (INDIA) [/td][td]18 [/td][td]766 [/td][td]40.31 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GR Marsh (AUS) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]1040 [/td][td]40 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan (PAK) [/td][td]16 [/td][td]678 [/td][td]39.88 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GRJ Matthews (AUS) [/td][td]11 [/td][td]511 [/td][td]39.3 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saleem Malik (PAK) [/td][td]17 [/td][td]725 [/td][td]38.15 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GA Gooch (ENG) [/td][td]14 [/td][td]944 [/td][td]34.96 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Rameez Raja (PAK) [/td][td]16 [/td][td]818 [/td][td]34.08 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GM Ritchie (AUS) [/td][td]11 [/td][td]511 [/td][td]34.06 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]K Srikkanth (INDIA) [/td][td]18 [/td][td]900 [/td][td]33.33 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mudassar Nazar (PAK) [/td][td]13 [/td][td]524 [/td][td]32.75 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Waugh (AUS) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]611 [/td][td]32.15 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RJ Shastri (INDIA) [/td][td]18 [/td][td]601 [/td][td]30.05 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JE Emburey (ENG) [/td][td]21 [/td][td]778 [/td][td]29.92 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IT Botham (ENG) [/td][td]15 [/td][td]648 [/td][td]28.17 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CWJ Athey (ENG) [/td][td]17 [/td][td]797 [/td][td]27.48 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
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Series breakdown
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[tr][td]Series [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Bat Av [/td][td]100 [/td][td]Date [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in Australia [/td][td]3 [/td][td]120 [/td][td]60 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]Dec-85 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]in England [/td][td]3 [/td][td]360 [/td][td]90 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]Jun-86 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]vs Australia [/td][td]2 [/td][td]186 [/td][td]- [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Sep-86 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]vs Sri Lanka [/td][td]3 [/td][td]376 [/td][td]125.33 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]Dec-86 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]vs Pakistan [/td][td]5 [/td][td]404 [/td][td]67.33 [/td][td]1 [/td][td]Feb-87 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]vs West Indies [/td][td]3 [/td][td]305 [/td][td]101.66 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]Nov-87 [/td][/tr]
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Thanks for the stats. A batting average of 104 over 17 matches and a series average of 102 against the WI bowlers in the 1980s is insane!
 
For the decade of 1980s - yes. That decade there was not many great spinners and Qasim took over 100 wickets at <25 average for the decade of 1980s (starting from 01 Jan 1980). On a turner, they have to play a 2nd spinner, a SLAO one, and IQ was by far the best of the decade.

I saw him and he was OK, but he wasn't a better bowler than Phil Edmonds, who wasn't a great Bowler either but compared Qasim, he looked top notch
 
35th anniversary of Dilip Vengsarkar hatrick of centuries at Lords-an all-time great?

Without doubt Dilip Vengsarkar is one of the finest batsmen ever to have graced a cricket field. This week we commemorate the feat of Dilip Vengsarkar becoming the 1st overseas batsman ever to score three consecutive centuries in test matches at Lords. It is a landmark that would inscribe a permanent place in the museum of cricket. We also coincidentally celebrate the 35th anniversary of India’s first win at Lords, the mecca of cricket.





What set Vengsarkar or 'Colonel' as he was popularly know apart was his flair for executing drives and dominating great pace bowling.Few batsmen ever displayed more flourish or conviction in their drives ,particularly on the onside.Vengsarkar was the best ever Asian exponent of the leg drive. I can't forget the manner he propelled himself to send a ball crashing when executing that stroke. He also executed the hook and pull with great authority, even against top pace. It was simply a sight to behold witnessing Vengsarkar majestically driving and taking domination of bowling to realms of a truly great player. In some ways Vengsarkar was clone of the Australian great 'Greg Chappell.'




Vengsarkar with Gavaskar and Vishwanath and Amarnath defined the era when Indian batsman overcame the most lethal of pace .bowlers. At his best few middle -order batsman stood up to Imran at his best or the great Carribean pace quartet of the 1980's better than Vengsarkar. Without doubt he was one of the finest players of genuine pace of all time.





I have vivid memories of his imperious driving of Imran at his quickest in the 2nd test at Karachi in 1978-79 when scoring 76 out of 199, literally reviving a sinking ship. Even when Gavaskar and Vishwanath failed Vengsarkar exhibited the bravery of a soldier, on a green top. Although he failed for the major part of the 1982-83 Pakistan tour, when scoring 79 at Karachi and 89 at Lahore he gave blemishes of his prowess. Later in a home series against Pakistan facing Imran and Wasim,Vengsarkar was an epitome of consistency, steering India to path of safety on almost every occcasion.With great surety he tackled the guile of Wasim Akram and Imran Khan averaging above 60.





Although facing a second string West Indies attack in 1978-79, Vengsarkar scored a classic unbeaten 157 at Calcutta that almost won the game and averaged above 59.It is to his credit that he was very much at home facing the hostile pace of Sylvester Clarke or Malcolm Marshall who had hardly reached his peak.





In 1983-84 against West Indies 'Colonel' topped the batting averages of India averaging over 53 with 2 centuries. Few batsmen ever played the likes of such greats like Malcolm Marshall and Michael Holding with such conviction or consummate ease .He scored 65 at Kanpur, when every other batsman failed ,159 at Delhi where possibly a wrong umpiring decision robbed him of his double century and a most clinical 102 at Bombay. He simply expressed relish for the bouncing deliveries and at many structures took the Calypso attack by the sword. Above all his centuries placed India in the drivers seat,inspite of India facing a humiliating 3-0 defeat overall.





In 1987-88 Vengsarkar averaged over 100 against West Indies .He resurrected India from the darkest waters when they were tottering at Bombay, scored a classic 102 at Delhi to save India from a precarious position and a century at Calcutta before being retired hurt, after giving vibrations of a lotus in full bloom. Like in 1983-84 his execution of drives was truly classical, giving merciless punishment to the bad ball.





It must be stated that Vengsarkar was the most prolific middle order batsman in the world against the great Carribean pace battery, surpassing even Javed Miandad.Against the West Indies pace quartet he averaged 44.33 with an aggregate of 1596 runs.





In English conditions, negotiating the moving ball, no Indian middle order batsman fared better till then than Vengsarkar in 1986.He averaged over 100 in the series with majestic centuries at Lords and Headingley.To me it was batting of the Viv Richards or Greg Chappell class.





At Lords 'Colonel' scoring an unbeaten 126, steered the Indian innings like the captain of a ship in the depths of despair, giving it the finishing touch of a surgeon performing an operation. He took India from an ambiguous position at 264-8 to score 341 and take a 43 run lead in the 1st innings.Vengsarkar's knock was the launching pad of India winning its 1st ever test at Lords .He also scored his 3rd consecutive century at the 'Mecca' of cricket.





At leeds in the 2nd test of the 1986 series ,on a pitch soaked with rain and overcast conditions ,Vengsarkar compiled a classic unbeaten 102 out of a total of 237.It took India out of troubled waters, to achieve one of it's most authoritative win sever in its test history. ‘Colonel' reminded one of an army battalion enduring the most daunting or challenging conditions to overpower the enemy. Or a surgeon performing an operation in no mans land.It would have been a knock even Viv Richards would have been proud of.






His 2 previous centuries at Lords in 1979 and 1982 were classics in their own right. In 1979 in a 210 run partnership with Vishwanath he ressurected India from the grave. to a position of respectability to save the game, after a 323 run1st innings deficit. I can't forget his calmness and composure with India in dire straits. In 1982 after India followed on 305 runs behind, Vengsarkar scored 157, in one of the most classical exhibitions of batting at Lords which was displayed with India again facing a grave crisis. I can;t forget his imperious execution of a hook shot and his glorious drives of Willis and Botham.India lost the game, but salvaged self -respect. The sheer consistency and fluidity of his stroke making was a sight to behold.





At home he was at his gregarious best against Sri Lanka and Australia in 1986 when he registered his highest scores of 164 notout. and 166.He averaged over 125 against Sri Lanka .





Sadly he was never at his best in Australia on 3 tours, giving only the occasional flash of brilliance or even in New Zealand. Still I can't forget his 61 in testing conditions in the 2nd test at Christchurch and fighting unbeaten 52 in the 3rd test at Auckland, in 1980-81. In Australia he was right up there when scoring 78 in the 2nd test at Melbourne in 1985-86 and 78 in the 5th test at Adelaide in 1977-78. .Vengsarkar was also hardly dominant in West Indies in 1983 or 1989, apart from a brilliant 98 at Antigua in 1983.



In his game Vengsarkar had a tendency to move too much towards the offside and mainly was dominate on the leg-side. He was not at his best on the offside.





Dilip Vengsarkar in test cricket scored 6,868 runs with 17 centuries, at an average of 42.13.In 1986, in my view, ‘Colonel' was the best batsman in the world. From December 1985-December 1987 he scored 1751 runs at an average of 91.2., scoring in a bradmanesque manner .





At his best in my view from 1985-1987 Vengsarkar could join the league of a Viv Richards or Gavaskar ,and carve a niche amongst the very greatest of batsman However overall in his test career feel he would just miss out on the ''all-time great' tag. He did not score so prolifically overseas and his career was intervened with frequent losses of form. He averaged 55.59 with 3725 runs with 13 centuries at home and 32.73 with 3143 runs, with 4 centuries away.





Arguably 'Colonel 'also retired prematurely at the age of 32, younger than many greats like Gavaskar,Miandad,Viv Richards or Greg Chappell.




Perhaps it was the trait of individualism or self -interest in Indian cricket that prevented Vengsarkar from being nurtured into batsman of the very highest bracket. I am really surprised he never scored a double century in his entire career and his highest score was only 166.'Colonel' posessed all the ingredients of player in registering the highest test score ever .Maybe it was his individualism or inability to emulate the sheer selflessness’ of Rahul Dravid later or Mohinder Amarnath or Vishwanath in his time ,that prevented his potential from fully blossoming. The internal politics within Indian cricket may well have disturbed him and curtailed him from doing complete justice to the talent he was endowed with. Perhaps Vengsarkar never did full justice to his enormous natural ability, and more than often when looking in complete charge, threw his wicket away or contributed to his own dismissal. To me in his own right Dilip Vengsarkar had touches of a genius.





Overall still I would rank Vengsarkar amongst the 10 best Indian batsman of all time and amongst the five best Indian batsmen ever against sheer pace. At his best in the 1980's I would select him in the world XI. In the modern era I would have backed him to average close to 50 atleast, considering the conditions being more conducive towards batting.





After retirement Vengsarkar has rendered service to the game in the form of a selector and been instrumental in the illustrious careers of many emerging stars. ‘Colonel' was also an astute judge of the game who voted Viv Richards as the best ever batsman he saw and included Malcolm Marshall, Greg Chappell, Sunil Gavaskar Imran Khan, Ian Botham and Kapil Dev in his all-time test XI.I always admired him for the stemmed he held Gundappa Vishwanath, whom he classed amongst his best batsmen ever. He has been amongst the boldest or most forthright spokesman on the game.



Hope Indian fans could rekindle memories of the historic first win at Lords cricket ground with the flashing blade of 'Colonel. ‘and great supporting contributions by Kapil Dev with his great burst in the 2nd innings as well as Chetan Sharma,Mohinder Amarnath and Manider Singh .No doubt a red letter day in Indian cricket .
 
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